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A Hole Opens Up Under Antarctic Glacier -- Big Enough To Fit Two-Thirds of Manhattan (nbcnews.com)
Scientists have discovered an enormous void under an Antarctic glacier, sparking concern that the ice sheet is melting faster than anyone had realized -- and spotlighting the dire threat posed by rising seas to coastal cities around the world, including New York City and Miami. From a report: The cavity under Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica is about six miles long and 1,000 feet deep -- representing the loss of 14 billion tons of ice. It was discovered after an analysis of data collected by Italian and German satellites, as well as NASA's Operation IceBridge, a program in which aircraft equipped with ice-penetrating radar fly over polar regions to study the terrain. The discovery is described in a paper published Jan. 30 in the journal Science Advances. The researchers expected to see significant loss of ice, but the scale of the void came as a shock.
So much for my Fortress of Solitude.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Wasn't this the proposed theme to Iron Sky 2. Hint: It's Lizard people living down there below Antarctica.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Quit flying planes over it then!
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Stop Building there!
PLENTY of available land in Colorado!
So, there's less ice than we thought and the rise in sea levels has not been as severe as we thought for the amount of ice that has melted. How is this not a positive thing?
It's a UFO hanger, guaranteed.
Do these morons think that if humans had never graced the face of the Earth that these glaciers would never ever melt for all of time?
The glaciers are going to melt, because their existence is cyclical, as the very same climate "scientists" will tell you. There are well-established periods of glaciation followed by well-established periods of pole-to-pole tropics.
THE GLACIERS ARE GOING TO MELT WITH OR WITHOUT HUMAN ACTIVITY.
This means that human contributions to climate are COMPLETELY FUCKING IMMATERIAL.
We should be focusing our energy on adaptation rather than obstinate refusal to go along with mother nature. We could spend the sum total of human wealth on trying to stop it, only to buy ourselves maybe a couple hundred years, or we can just adapt.
The day hell froze over, this is the way down.
When the scientific establishment calls for relocation policies that encourage colonization of "flyover country" in the US by the coastal population.
I'm perfectly willing to accept the possibility that "global warming" is happening, but until the discussion is "it's happening, but why" and all "whys" are entertained including "we have no control, move in with the Hillbillies if you don't want to drown" I'm not going to give much credence to the fearmongering because skin in the game determines the degree of commitment one has.
How many football fields is two thirds of a Manhattan?
I'd love to see a team tunnel down to it, install an airlock and go inside. Bring some powerful lamps and explore.
We like the land in Colorado the way it is.
The problem is that there are too many people, especially people of low quality.
i won't understand how much unless you tell me in Libraries of Congress !
I'm asking a serious question here, help me understand how this is possible...
The melting is at the BOTTOM of the glacier, where the effects of climate change are at the absolute lowest, being isolated from the air above by many feet of ice, snow and other stuff. Plus, the ice that's now melted was frozen and buried centuries ago. Plus, this is now a void, so one presumes that the conductive water flowing between the rocks below and the ice above is gone.
How is this due to global warming?
Seems to me that this void would be from the earth below is warmer at this spot than in others... But that's geothermal changes, not climate change. Is that wrong? If so, how do we know what caused this?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
You are willfully ignorant, and it is clear you never even read the article.
In the article, they explain that the retreat of the glacier and the sinking of the surface are explained by the interior melting. The landscape is changing, and it stands to reason that something is causing these changes. Thanks to ground penetrating radar, we know what.
If you believe the void within the glacier was there the entire time, then you have to explain why the glacier is only retreating now and why the surface has just started sinking. So, I guess I'll be waiting for your publication.
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Can't deny it any longer.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
Hey hey hey, you do realize you're calling into question their religion.
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I realize that a lot of people are concerned with the whole global warming thing but I'm excited for a bit of change in the world. There is a lot of cold unusable land that will become warm and usable when the temperature rises a bit. I'm sure this comment will get panned for being short sighted and everything, and I'm not saying that all results of global warming will be good, but it's obvious to me that people in general are averse to change and rarely see any good in it. I'm excited for it. I don't particularly care about the multi-million dollar properties that line the coasts along the oceans that will be lost to sea rise (and many of the other consequences). Those people can deal with it.
and become uninhabitable??? Sacre Bleu! There really are positive effects to "global warming"!
Then that is less water to fill the oceans that cause sea rise. win win!
Um, they watched the void grow over the past three years. Most of the melting has occurred in that timespan. Find another sandpile to stick your head in.
Finally a place we can stick Manhattan! I kid, but no really let's do it!
Now we just need a hole big enough for New Jersey (obvious jokes aside).
Nope, Colorado is full. you idiots from SoCal came and parked in the fucking left lane of the interstate. That and you went to escape the cost of living down there, and brought your retarded politics to run up the cost of living here.
So where are we going to put the rest of Manhattan?
"representing the loss of 14 billion tons of ice."
So they KNOW for a fact that ice has always been there? Or are we just assuming it was there because we did not find this until now? There are a lot of assumptions going on here... and because of the "Cult of Global Warming" it is now impossible have have responsible discussion.
Was the ice there before? Why is that information not being provided? Oh wait... I get it... just like people of faith are required to accept the existence of their Gods, the GW Cult expects all the deniers to take what they think on faith too!
Science these days is starting to require more faith than many religions.
This post is unintentionally hilarious. It is indeed impossible to have a responsible discussion, when one side of it doesn't even bother to know the facts. If you had read the article you would know that the researchers have been watching the area for years and have recorded an increase in the size of the void. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you can't be bothered to do some basic research?
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
...if only it WOULD take 2/3 of Manhattan.
Can we order up one about Washington DC sized?
If this is the outcome of warming, I'm not going to really be upset?
-Styopa
When did Slashdot rename themselves to the Rothschild entity IPCCdot? With all the "Dire warnings" you'd think the sky is falling over at IPCCdot.
I hear they like hockey at IPCCdot
But remember, there are an infinite number of genders.
We live in an era where people decide what's true or not beforehand.
I'm an old fart. I remember when the climate scientists were starting to give out warnings. They talked about crazy weather, more extremes and melting glaciers and ice caps and the environmental and economic problems associated with that.
I think US conservatives do not understand how our economy is tied to the environment. The Chinese do. And their autocratic state allows for the leadership to override the ignorance of the populace - to a point. (No, I am not saying Chinese government is better than democracies. Just stating fact - for those of you who need this clarification.)
If you want examples, just look at anything to do with water in the USA. Farmers, fishermen (toxic run-off from a coal miner affects fisheries and the fishing industry as does oil drillers. B2B Environmental Lawsuits.)
The "Green Revolution" will create a technological revolution that will rival the Moon shots of the 60's or the Cold War weapons tech.
Let's face it, fossil fuels is old technology. It's horribly inefficient, deadly, and costly.
I want to upgrade to new tech: green tech.
This news is very serious and very bad, but I spit my coffee when I saw the first four words, which I of course misread as:
A-Hole Opens Up
And could we get San Francisco to go as well? Or do we need to wait for a second hole to open up?
Wow, who woulda thunk it? An icy location, 140 volcanoes, and melting ice? But hey, let's blame it on (what's the term this week?) climate change!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica
It's like microwaving an icesculpture and wondering why the center falls out of it first...
(This was a joke. I'm sure a math wiz can tell us the required microwave energy and frequency required to penetrate that deep, if possible, and melt that quantity of ice. Definitely well above what a squadron of purpose built glacier melting airplanes could do even if running 24/7/365/100 years...
Of course it's melting, they keep shooting it with radar.
Please tell me they found it because of a heat bloom, and there seems to be a pyramid down there...
So I ran some numbers...void is approximately 14 square kilometers (which is pretty big for us humans). Spread over the 362 million square kilometers of ocean, it works out to about the thickness of a human hair. Go figure.
Lost in space at an early age. Survived the vacuum. Now rebuilding castle in air.
The hole is big enough to contain two thirds of Manhattan?! EVERYONE has to admit this is pretty fucking bad.
The hole needs to be at least 50% larger!
There are 150 live volcanos under the Antarctic and quite a few under the arctic. Is CO2 making those volcanos erupt and melt this ice? NO!
Ever notice a "denier" makes a simple common sense statement, and then the AGW "priests" come along and have to post multi paragraph explanations that they hope no one researches to find out they are total BS.
This used to happen in the middle ages with the Catholic church. People asked simple questions, the church referenced their holy books written in Latin/Greek/etc that no one else could read to give them then answer that would give the church more power/money. Then Martin Luther came along and translated it into the common languages of the time and the game was up. The Catholic church was found to be as corrupt as possible taking money in order to forgive sins (CO2 offsets anyone?).
The similarities are so striking its amazing. Sad thing is people like hey! are too stupid to realized that they are going to make themselves poor while Al Gore makes billions off of them. He thinks he will be part of the power/money, but he will be one of the serfs like he wants to make everyone else.
14 billion tons x 2000 lb/ton x 453 gram/lb x 333 J/g = 4.22 x 10e18 joules now just imagined if we did something useful with that!
How many elephants is 2/3 of manhattan?
But, there is already to much man-made trash in the oceans.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
- Upton Sinclair
An increase in the size of the void? By how much? Was it always there and has only increased by 0.01% (still a sizable amount) in the last 10 years? Or it's doubled in size in the last few years (sell the beach house!).
Yes, the size of the increase is important. The current size of the void is meaningless without knowing the rate of change.
You can't just rely on basic research without asking questions.
You mean to tell me civilizations and homes built on the waterfront are at risk of being flooded or wiped away?
Wow who knew that could happen!?!?
Can you imagine standing on the surface of the ice when it gave way? That would be one hell of a sight and a crazy ride down to the bottom.
Can we call it Uranus? Or, Donald Trump?
The cavity under Thwaites Glacier in WEST Antarctica
I assume there's a well defined protocol for defining N/S/E/W near the South Pole, but "West Antarctica" sounds a bit confusing. The wandering magnetic south pole makes it even more so.
I get that this is an important find but I have trouble believing the hype that this means that we are about to have a 2m rise in sea level - at the very least there seem to be some additional assumptions being made before that conclusion is reached. Indeed, if climate models can be so significantly affected by one unexpected find under one glacier then doesn't this suggest that the models have significant uncertainties? This is the real problem I have with the climate change discussion. One side of the media is trying to portray it as the end of the world while the other camp is trying to present it as nothing to worry about at all.
The reality is clearly somewhere but as a scientist, but not a climate scientist, I find it almost impossible to filter out the true signal from the wild exaggerations on either side so I can figure out exactly how much we should be worrying. This concerns me because if someone ever does come up with a real "apocalyptic" indicator (or a "it's not so bad" indicator) I doubt many will believe it.
Maybe you'll find answers in the paper. Did you try reading it ?
Until someone actually puts 2/3rds of Manhattan in that hole, I refuse to believe it.
This is what happens if you don't brush your glacier.
We will all be under water by 2013!!!
Where the hell did you get any of that from the article?? It doesn't say how long they have researched it, but it does say how "conveniently" the International Thwaites Glacier Collaboration just so happens to be "gearing up" to research that region. Gee, think that might increase their funding at all? How can people read this bullshit and still cling to the "IT'S REAL!!" mantra?
Using a constellation of satellites, we detect the evolution of ice velocity, ice thinning, and grounding line retreat of Thwaites Glacier from 1992 to 2017.
Literally in the first paragraph labeled "abstract"
but wherever the a-hole is comfortable, I guess.
If it is a hole big enough to fit two-thirds of Manhattan, it raises the obvious question. Where should we put the other third?
A big whole I grant you, and no-doubt filled with hot air. But matters arising ... is it big enough to fit all the Trotsky-slut Rawlsian warmists spewing their tripe over the pages of /. ?! Bust a face Bosco. That's one big feckin-A crap-laden hole in the fabric of reality!
A hotter world is a wetter world. Already data shows since the 1970s as the world has got warmer rain in the Shara has increased and the edges are now scrubland instead of pure desert. Also famines in Africa have gone down since the 1980s as a hotter world is leading to more rain in Africa.
Global Warming may suck for Britain and Northern Europe as the Guf Stream will switch off and these places will be frozen wastelands but there are areas like Canada, Siberia which will be warmer and areas like Tibet, Sahara, Australia which will be wetter hence increasing the amount of arable land.
We can adapt to Global Warming as long as we are willing to have immigration.
Anti Global Warming folks are basically from countries which have a good climate today and dont want to share their prosperity or from countries who will have warmer climates but dont want browner people to come over there.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Yes please hurry up Manhattan is in the middle of some very expensive real estate.
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https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2015/10/31/NASA-study-Net-gains-for-Antarctic-ice-sheets/9711446321864/
Inconvenient for the global warming religion, but from a respected source. Some ice melts, other forms. Net change has been more ice.
you lie
Do you know why the Glacial Ice is melting in Antarctica ? It's not due to global warming. There's an active undersea volcano in Antarctica.
Great. Please inform these scientists, whoever they are, that if they should happen to discover an enormous humanoid creature in the area, they are not, under any circumstances, to poke said creature with a pointy stick to find out what will happen.
put the last third of Manhattan into Howard Stern's gaping kike a$$.
Seriously, there has been a "new scientific discovery indicates glaciers are metling wait for it... FASTER THAN ANYONE HAD REALIZED!!!!" every 6 months since like 1999. Manhattan was supposed to be under water 6 years ago as a result. Didn't happen. Keep holding your breath though. If you believe the threat is imminent, you'll swallow anything the environmentalist saviors want to sell you. Even if it's population reduction by a couple orders of magnitude. You know, just so long and it's not them or their kids getting caught up in the culling. Don't know why they don't walk the walk and kill themselves to save the planet.
??? How are you getting thickness from 2 dimensional units?
Miami and NYC will not become uninhabitable. They will simply move to where YOU live.
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