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Please Stop Using Internet Explorer, Microsoft Says (mashable.com)
Microsoft cybersecurity expert Chris Jackson recently published a post on the official Windows IT Pro blog, titled "The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser." Jackson urges users that it's time to stop using its old web browser, a product Microsoft officially discontinued in 2015. From a report: In his post, Jackson explains how Microsoft customers still ask him Internet Explorer related questions for their business. The fact of the matter is that while most average internet users have moved on to Google Chrome, Firefox, or Microsoft's Edge, some businesses are still working with older web apps or sites that were designed for Internet Explorer. Instead of updating its tech, many companies have chosen to just keep using the various enterprise compatibility modes of Microsoft's old web browser. But, Jackson says "enough is enough." It's time to event stop calling Internet Explorer a web browser.
> It's time to event stop calling Internet Explorer a web browser.
I would if I could but I dont think I know how
It's time to event stop calling Internet Explorer a web browser.??? Everyone stop! Its time to event!
Glad its finally official
It is very easy to see what browser is being used.
If its not current, only load up a page that says update your browser, here are some options.
If the big players did this, google, microsoft, facebook, youtube etc, they would kill the older browsers within a week.
Majority of work sites I know that still use IE have some Java app allowing users to access some program who's native CLI app doesn't work anymore or cost a fortune to license per desktop. Apps you've never heard of but are mission critical for that business and migrating to something else would be both cost prohibitive and cause too much user disruption.
Their whole banking system relies on ActiveX controls that require IE. How about Microsoft pay to fix the damage of 20 years of trying to embrace and extend through the web that's left governments and businesses stuck using abandoned plugins and Microsoft exclusive controls?
That quote is from Matt Binder on Mashable.com in his opinion piece. It is not a quote from anywhere in Chris Jackson's article.
Jackson does have a section labeled "Enough is Enough" but the rest of that sentence is straight from Matt Binder. The location of that last sentence does make it look like it is part of the quote from Jackson but it is Matt that is saying we should stop calling IE a browser. The summary makes it look like Microsoft's blog contains the controversial sentence, which it doesn't.
It is a great way to make everyone read Matt's article though.
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If it still existed
Remember: They spent a decade making sure nobody could use anything but Internet Explorer, making business software use IE+AcitiveX plugins for everything, and now this.
No sig today...
You implored us and tried to force us to only use Internet Explorer for more than a decade, so much that you got a class action lawsuit. And you want us to stop? Never
Now that IE is officially not fit for use on the public web, the question is how do we get people to stop using it? For a start my local Bristol City council still uses IE in their libraries, and there are a lot of less savvy people who think the "blue e" is the internet. Some of them might be fooled by Edge, but those using lower than Windows 10 will need educating on a new browser.
We need a really popular website to not support IE to make the phaseout happen. Youtube claims not to support IE but they still show an old version so people can still use it. Microsoft's GitHub also claims not to support it but it still works.
I think once Windows 7 goes out of support is when we should really start pushing for an IE free world, using Chromium Edge as a transition mechanism.
Your partners built so many activex crap, we cant. We are stuck with non standards until we can migrate away.
MS, you are your worst enemy.
And now i have two macbooks and an iphone. Thank god for competition. Now just think of how badly MS could treat there customers if they never had a possible monopoly suit breathing down their neck. Pictured it yet? Google will be worse, because theres no honest threat of monopoly action against them.
OK, folks. $SUBJECT says it all.
I've been saying the same thing since the 90s. Nobody listens.
Corporate networks still rely on IE ... you would be SHOCKED to know how much internal infrastructure only works on that piece of crap.
If I'd realised they didn't want me to use it I would have switched to IE years ago.
Remember: They spent a decade making sure nobody could use anything but Internet Explorer, making business software use IE+AcitiveX plugins for everything, and now this.
This^
Microsoft cannot be taken seriously. They tried to own everything in the past in a non-competitive way. They should spend more time apologizing and less time lecturing others about a problem they themselves caused.
So make OWA SMIME where it doesn't require it to work Microshits
See above.
check yer autoexec.bat and config.sys
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you only use MS to play computer games on.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Should have put this out long ago, cut it off before it ruined everything.
I haven't used it for 15 years or so, but since you don't want me to, now I'm only going to use IE, forever!
Foreeeverrrr!!!
Even?
'It's time to even stop calling Internet Explorer a web browser'?
IE is installed alongside Edge with the latest and greatest version of windows
if you don't want people using it, dont fuckin install unsupported obsolete software on your OS, especially when you make us update the install media every fuckin week
The problem we have in the software world is the code sucks. If the code was free and well written there shouldn't be any reason companies couldn't continue to utilize old releases of IE. Why fix something that isn't broke? And IE shouldn't be broken. The problem is it is because it was never well written and the source code was never released and can't be properly maintained. Microsoft likes to talk the talk about open source but it still doesn't walk the walk or the code for everything would be released.
People should have stopped using it, as soon as Mozilla/Phoenix/Firefox came out. ... Which damn file?? Also, the line was wrong too. But who cared, since it did not conform to expected standards anyway.)
It was a nightmare to develop for, because it was so shitty.
("Object not found in line 1"
Spineless developers just adapted their site to that crap, instead of displaying a big fat warning "YOUR BROWSER IS UTTERLY BROKEN, CANNOT DISPLAY THIS SITE, HAS SECURITY HOLES UP THE WAZOO, AND THERE'S CRIMINALS HOSTING BOTNETS, SPAM SERVERS, DRUG SHOPS AND CHILD PORN ON YOUR COMPUTER BECAUSE OF IT! REPLACE IT NOW OR GO TO PRISON FOR DISTRIBUTING CHILD PORN!" in Microsoft's error page design.
Giving users no reason to switch. And thereby conveniently creating the self-fulfilling prophecy of "But everyone uses IE.". YEAH, BECAUSE YOU POPPED MOLLUSC MAKE SURE THEY DO!
I'm sorry. I'm angry.
This shit gave me literal real nightmares for years. As it was my job to get web applications to run on that turd anyway or get fired. I consider backing IE a crime that deserves prison for the mental damages it caused to developers alone.
Oh, and Chrome and Firefox try the same shit now.
They only cast their spaghetti code into a "standard", instead of the right way around, so that they can claim it's standard-conformant. So no wonder it's a "living standard" that fluctuates faster than a slime mold on a time lapse, oxymoronically missing the entire point of a standard. (Stability!)
Please stop using Microsoft products at all, common sense says. Use FOSS and do not fuel the kickback economy.
Google has done that already e.g. they block non-Chrome users from using Google Earth.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. However, I do not think they envisioned Microsoft Seppuku. ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Nothing new. Microsoft also spent a long time getting everyone to use Office Professional, and now it's actively trying to migrate people to Office 365. Microsoft's biggest competitor has since the 90s always been itself.
"\ just think of how badly MS could treat there customers"
Not only that, imagine how badly they could treat HERE customers! Yikes!
Except that older operating systems cannot install newer versions of the browser. As an example, Mac OS X 10.9.5 can't upgrade Chrome past version 67.
I wanted to view the contents of an xml file yesterday so I clicked on it in File Explorer and guess what it opened in: yup, Internet Explorer. It was the first time I'd seen IE since the Vista days. I was connected to the Internet so, needless to say, I closed it down quickly and used Notepad++.
But, really, Microsoft! [i]You[/i] install it, [i]you[/i] make it a default, then you tell us not to use it?! I feel an event stop coming on...
Garry Knight
... there are still sites that I want to visit where Firefox does not render the site properly, so I have to use Internet Explorer to view the site.
There is a cost to Winning. Winning doesn't make you better, or put you on a stronger position in the future. It just means you have met the initial objectives first.
I remember a story on NPR about a Chinese Violinist he was always winning the Violin Contest they have. He went to America to study under one the best Violinist.
While training he was asked "Do you want to keep on winning competitions or do you really want to be good at this?"
Winning a competition or competitive war, strategy isn't being the best. But being good enough to not fall behind, then find ways to make your competitor loose. Wither it being showing all the features your browser cannot do. knowing your competing Violinist may play a rift a little slower then you, so you play faster just to show them off, or find a way to injure your competition and hope the refs (or legal) do not find out (such as hitting a batter known for home runs, and forcing them to walk).
Microsoft won the browser war. But because of that Win, all their underhanded tricks to win, for the short term, is now a generation later biting them back, and is preventing them from future growth.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Well most IE users, only use IE at work because of old Active-X and Sliverfish crap.
Home users, would be for people using older versions of windows and never upgraded.
If the site still works in IE, it isn't really up to the site owner to stop them. Why should they add an extra line of code that could be conflecting with something else only to annoy a customer.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Some of us have been saying this for 20 years. In a very real sense, Microsoft nearly broke the web in the 90s with their proprietary nonsense and lack of ethics. So, from those of us that saw this writing on the wall many years ago: that is what Google, Facebook, and other 2.0 companies are doing *today*, but with their privacy violations and recreation of users as a product or resource, they are even *worse*. You have been warned.
It's a real fucking shame that MS decided to get out of the browser business. I have no idea why they'd give up writing their own browser, and hand it all to the Chrome engine. It's not like MS didn't have the resources. No, as far as I know, there are only TWO web browser engines out there: Chrome and Firefox. That's is not good for the web. And since I don't do Google, that leaves me with *one* browser I can use. That's not good.
I don't respond to AC's.
Americans aren't even very good at using (or spelling) adverbs very well.
Why not do both?
Microsoft, move on to your new Chrome clone browser.
But at the same time, keep issuing security updates for the pile if wet noodles you foisted on the world as Internet Exploder?
Take some responsibility for your past actions.
This reminds me of companies like gas stations who leave behind environmental disasters like leaking gas tanks and leave it to municipalities to clean up after them.
Microsoft won the browser war. But because of that Win, all their underhanded tricks to win, for the short term, is now a generation later biting them back, and is preventing them from future growth.
So your saying, that when decisions are made based on lies and deception there is a negative outcome? Now if only 62,985,106 more people understood that.
Oh well. May IE die swiftly, even though I know it won't. It's still installed at work because of that previous effort of theirs.
About 25% of the time:
I log in to my Win10Pro laptop.
I go to my network location in explorer to open my sharepoint files.
I get \\blahdeblah@SSL\DavWWWRoot\Docs is not accessible blah blah.
I tut and press OK.
I open internet explorer and log in to sharepoint then close sharepoint
Go back to explorer stab F5 and it lists the files.
It's something to do with renewing the credentials.
This only works on IExplorer NOT edge.
So essentially you cannot use Windows Explorer to open files on sharepoint unless you occasionally log in using Internet Explorer.
It's been like that for years.
I think won win7 pro you have to use iexplorer every single time, to access sharepoint under explorer.
Why would I want to use sharepoint using the explorer (AKA filenamaneger?). So I can move folders and do bulk copies (yes it is pretty slow) easily without struggling through the mess of javascript context menu's.
Not disagreeing with Microsoft's completely new stance.
However, it does imply that basically everything they have said prior is an absolute lie.
Just saying.
Oh wait, that's right, it's supported until January 15th 2020 so deal with it and keep patching it.
"real men run IE as root!"
(*) used as a verb?
My tablets have Win 8.1 with IE 11. It takes up too much space, but there is no way for a user to safely remove it. The tablet came with many built-in MS Apps that we never use, but there is no way to remove them.
If Microsoft was serious about this, they would provide a way to remove IE from the computer and free some memory. But that is not going to happen.
I'm so glad that MS is moving to a subscription model for Office. Image what a PITA it would be to have it built-in and integrated like IE.
...let us uninstall this piece of shit - FINALLY!
This is exactly why people still don't trust the Gates Foundation.
Maybe they should use some of their cash to clean up the mess that made them rich.
The analogy of an environmental disaster like leaking gas tanks is good, but the next time you hear Gates promote his "nuclear future", think of the Hanford Reservation in Washington state. All the cash in the Gates Foundation cannot fix that disaster.
They are good at splitting infinitives, in fact they are proud of it.
It is very easy to see what browser is being used. If its not current, only load up a page that says update your browser
I find this sort of nagging intensely annoying, even if it still allows me to load the page. I decide for myself when to update my browser (and I don't intend to chase every Mozilla update) and how to manage my own security.
That caught up to them as we need not to be reminded. While IE 4 to 6 were superior to Netscape (vehemently denied here on /. But is true if you ask any web developer) they got complacent and IE had bugs from being rushed. They just had less than Netscape.
Google Chrome started rendering with 0 bugs and Firefox started slowly removing them from Netscape and the rest is history
http://saveie6.com/
The Trident engine which powers Internet Explorer has been the only NATIVE web browser engine for the Windows platform for a long time. In recent years it has been possible to integrate with Edge rendering engine, but that is only in C#. If Microsoft wants everybody off this old technology why don't they do something to make a native web browser engine available to all developers and then back port it to all older versions of Windows.
Unfortunately I don't see an alternative to Office. Libra is not it like Mozilla before it. A Firefox or chrome needs to come in.
I suppose Google docs for light stuff is ok but it's also rental.
http://saveie6.com/
Why don't they just force Internet Explorer to uninstall itself in a Windows Update? They could even design it to automatically export bookmarks and settings and import them into Edge.
They forced Windows 10 upgrades on every Windows 7 user, after all, it's not like Microsoft is above choosing what you should be running without your consent or feedback. If ditching Internet Explorer is really so damn important for the reasons stated, they should be forcing this on every user as a security update, not making it a user choice.
If you think this is a bad idea, you obviously don't know your place as a Windows user in the modern age. If you want the responsibility of educating yourself and making your own choices with your computer, then run Linux. If that's too much trouble and you want to have your choices made for you instead, then run Windows.
It means your credentials are not saved by default in credential manager. Ask your SharePoint developer to include this? Also it's possible he was instructed to do this for security authentication if your employer is too cheap to use MFA on Azure, Ms federation, or some third party system if security is important.
http://saveie6.com/
More like a monkey that has been trained. The cost of retraining thousand of monkeys is too damn high to switch browsers. Better if Microsoft quit switching names and user interfaces.
I literally can't event you insensitive clod.
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
Hey Microsoft. Remember when you made this excellent plugin called Silverlight that let you do .NET development on a web browser? It was actually really cool, and light-years better than Flash or even HTML development at the time. Then HTML5 + canvas caught up quick and you deprecated Silverlight? Well some people are still trying to migrate off of Silverlight. When you are doing giant UI-heavy enterprise apps, this takes time. Therefore, we are still going to be using Internet Explorer because using Silverlight these days means using Internet Explorer.
And I'm not being facetious about Silverlight being awesome. It's support for MVVM was *outstanding* - you could do crazy forms with complex validation rules, dynamic help, the whole lot, just by using linked parameters and zero code-behind on the UI side.
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
Fix Windows so it won't default to it then. Duh.
A company I work for uses SharePoint. It doesn't support Edge.
Upgrade your os then?
It's been unsupported since September 2017
This is because your shitpoint share is configured to do NTLM authentication, but NTLM authentication is prohibited on the network, by domain group policy. So you need to use something that can do the NTLM authentication that your LanMAN client cannot. Once you have performed the NTLM authentication and cached those credentials against the Service Point, your access using the LanMAN client (which will use NTLM credentials even though it will not negotiate them) works just fine.
This is just a misconfiguration by a bunch of assholes configuring shitpoint that do not know what they are doing.
Solves all the problems in one fell swoop.
That sounds exactly like those people who don't personally like alcohol so they figure nobody else should have it either.
It's fine to not actively support IE6 users but there's no need to be an asshole about it.
How can I stop an executable I cannot remove?
THANKS BILL!
When you're finished bending over, bend over!
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As far as I know, IE is the only browser left that still supports the java runtime environment.. every other browser I've tried stopped supporting NPAPI plugins.
To boldy go... where no browser has gone before.
Not without time travel and wire cutters. Microsoft built I.E. into their operating systems. Need a specific Microsoft OS? You use the web browser that is supplied, no matter what else you run.
Microsoft were told NOT to do this in 1995. They chose to compromise all subsequent computers instead. There is NOTHING anyone can do about it, save break up Microsoft.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
To boldly split infinitives where no infinitives have been split before.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
It seems to me like the only reason people are still hanging onto using IE is all of these compatibility issues with Active-X controls, etc.
If Microsoft really thinks it's time to put IE to bed, they should develop a browser plug-in or extension that works with modern browsers, and extends the functionality that used to be IE specific.
It could even come with warnings that using it for general purpose browsing may be a security risk/unsafe, but it's simply a "shim" to enable on a case by case basis, on sites that used to require IE.
WHAT??? A misleading article on the internet?
Remember, Microsoft is still pushing Internet Explorer. It was included in Windows 10, they advise using it instead of Edge sometimes. In no way has Microsoft pulled the plug on Internet Explorer yet. It's just that it's a dysfunctional company that no longer has internal communications.
Companies that stubbornly keep Internet Explorer as their default web browser because of SAP need to be publicly shamed.
You can use Seamonkey or Palemoon for this purpose.
But it is still better than "Edge."
I have multiple browsers on my work laptop and IE is the last choice I use.
Tried "Edge" and it didn't even work well on MS-centric sites.
MS should revert to IE 10 and do security updates for it, dropping their newer efforts.
Yeah Microsoft and you want us to move to Edge. The broken, most unfriendly and unusable browser on the planet. Fix Edge and users probably would leave Internet Explorer. Allow us to completely turn off, cortana, Bing and tracking. Allow us to open our home page {whatever it is} in new tabs or anytime we want. Fix the downloads, NOT everyone saves to "Downloads" on the local system!!!! I sort my files and save them on a server. Allow us to turn OFF download notifications. I know I am downloading something I don't need to know when it finished. Sometimes I am downloading 10 things at a time or they are large like a new IX distro. I don't need messages from all the downloads. So fix Edge and then we will talk!
I have a brand new DVR. Its nice web interface only supports IE. We do business with a company that has a website that runs on Silverlight; I have to use IE. I would love to get away for IE but I can't.
Okay, I lied; the DVR's web interface isn't all that nice but it's the best I could find.
Any browser that doesn't support Most Recently Used switching is trash.
Oh, and, dear Microsoft, good job following Google's trend and bombing Microsoft Edge (older versions supported MRU and so di IE), perhaps you should change your task switching to "idiotic google chrome style" too?
It is very easy to see what browser is being used. If its not current, only load up a page that says update your browser, here are some options. If the big players did this, google, microsoft, facebook, youtube etc, they would kill the older browsers within a week. Flag as Inappropriate
Yo! Gaming Moron! Problem is that the browsers you are talking about *WON'T RUN* on those older machines! And people say Gaming doesn't lead to BRAIN ROT.....
Why bother? New OS nowdays are basically GUI-based Bloated Crap. Windows 10 and Gnome3 for some reason especially comes to mind here.
It was of course, Microsoft that exposed its myriad customers to those perils.
unfortunately, the one reason that I have to keep IE available is that it is the only browser that supports S/MIME. So unless I am using IE, I cannot sign emails or send encrypted emails when using webmail.
Still happening today. Skype for Business is really hard to get working in anything except IE or Edge - not even the Skype app.
believe me, everybody wants to stop using that pos, but thanks to microsoft putting it full with closed integrations only working on IE we are stuck with it.
stop telling us not to use it anymore, and start screaming at developers, developers, developers to get with the times (oh, that also includes some of your own developers).
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Wells Fargo check reader - touchy plugin, requires reduced security
Fingerprint scanner for adding users to security system - touchy plugin, reduced security
"eRelocation" service - wicked touchy, 32-bit only, security reducing plugin.
Maybe if MS just kills IE entirely these jerks will have to get with the damn times already.
Make modern browsers work with sites that are not perfect. I am required to use IE not because of some antiquated piece of Java, but because the security settings on modern browsers don't let you connect to sites with self signed certificates. So I cannot connect to my home router, my work routers, my hosting provider, etc. because they use certificates that for some reason or another are not "recognized". IE lets me say "hey this is okay and add an exception". Edge, Chrome, Firefox don't, they deny you access.
And before I get flamed for "well use a better certificate", that is not the point. I don't need a production ready, industrial certificate to run HTTPS on my home router. My server doesn't need something production ready certificate and have a cost just so I hit a URL for some shitty website front end on an app to go over HTTPS. Fix that, and I am with you.
WhAtS WrOnG, ReDmOnD? I ThOuGhT YoU WaNtEd Us To UsE It?
hahahaha. you reap what you sow. this is why you don't push garbage, because in the end, it hurts you.
Feel the pain of a million web developers, you stupid corporate pricks.
So, a typical Matt Binder article then (no matter where he currently is, this has been his MO).
@Mindless Drivel: 100% of Twitter posts ever Tweeted.
I'm sold Microsoft. How can I get Microsoft Edge for Windows Server? Oh that's right, I can't and you explicitly recommend IE11 in your documentation!
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/deploy/about-microsoft-edge
The Long-Term Servicing Branch (LTSB) versions of Windows, including Windows Server 2016, don’t include Microsoft Edge or many other Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps. Systems running the LTSB operating systems do not support these apps because their services get frequently updated with new functionality. For customers who require the LTSB for specialized devices, we recommend using Internet Explorer 11.