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yesthatguy writes "Tonight's episode of Jepoardy! featured a question in the "Tech Business and Industry" category that asked which operating system was made by Linus Torvalds and can be obtained for free.
The answer(question), of course: 'What is Linux?'
An interinsting point I noticed...the kid (Teen Tournament) that gave the answer, pronounced the name wrong. Jeopardy usually will not give credit to a mispronunciation... " Please! No pronunciation holy wars! But that is pretty cool. Ya know you've hit the big time when you get a question on Jeopardy.
i never understand people who argue over pronumciation and then go on to write stuff like "r u goin 2 the store"
According to Linus, in an interview on ZDTV, "I don't care."
Let's here it for pathetic self validation!!!
Let Linux stand on its own merits. I could care less whether its it is on "Jepoardy" or not.
This article gets a big fat yawn. . .
Jeez. Do you think Windows users argue like this?
"It's a piece of shit"
"No, it's a piece of shite"
"You're both wrong, it's a pile of shit"
"Actually..."
Be grateful you can still count contending pronunciations without taking your socks off.
I have heard this a hundred times.. Does it matter how one pronounces Linux ?? My answer would be a YES. Now.. before you jump on me let me explain.
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Linux is growing. Its "followers" have constat wars is news grps etc about the best text editor, the best windows manager, the best distribution and so on. All healthy. But please, if you are using a software that runs the whole damn computer, you better pronounce it correctly. Let there be atleast two things that we agree upon, the first being that LInux is the best
BTW how exactly do we pronounce Linux ?? Linux or 'Lenux' ??
A rose is a rose but looses it charm when you call it 'shit' !
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... "follow me" the wise man said, but he walked behind
Pardon my arrogance, but I'd like to suggest that Linus probably knows how to pronounce it.
Yep. Linus doesn't use the American pronunciation of his name. The show did, though.
monkeys.
This is much cooler than the proposed superbowl commercial. just personal opinion of coarse, but the people who watch jeoparody seem to care more about computers than those who watch the superbowl. As the jeoparody is a game of intellect and the superbowl is one of brawn. So maybe we'd be better off if we skipped the whole superbowl idea and got commercials at some other time? like during jeoparody, or sponsored NOVA.
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Nope, Linux Torvalds isn't pronounced like Linux on Peanuts. It's the Peanuts pronunciation which gave rise to the myth that it is pronounced "LINE-ux."
Consider, by the way, that "Linux" is actually a dual pun. It plays both on Linus' name and Minix, the OS which inspired Linux. Minix is pronounced with a short i (like the first i in"mini"). Linus, as least in the context of Torvalds' first name, is also pronounced in this way. Therefore, why would Linux not also be pronounced with the same short i as both of its linguistic predecessors? Particularly since Linus himself pronounces it the same way he pronounces his name.
As far as I'm concerned, the person who gave the OS its name gets to pick how it's correctly pronounced. But let's not get into a holy war over this.
FWIW, you can hear how Linus pronounces Linux.
More to the point, Jeopardy does not mark you wrong for unambiguous mispronunciations or spellings.
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Well, you know you've _really_ hit the big time when you get on Wheel of Fortune. And after that, who knows? Maybe in the Showcase on The Price Is Right. Now _that_ would be prestige!
oh so THAT'S what they play when i type sndconfig in redhat. Geesh i thought it was some sort of radio transmission from veitnam. I still can't make out anything of what he's saying, but it is nice to know what it is.
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I was watching this teen tournament thing the other day. Some kid was given "The Pollen producing component of the plant," to reply to. His answer : What is the hymen? You could see Trebeck fighting the urge to burst out laughing.
- Freehold, or maybe a rock.
That's just it. The combination of phonemes in "LEEN-ooks" occurs so rarely in English that it's rather awkward for a native English-speaker to say. The correct paraphrase is, if I'm not mistaken, "LINN-ucks," therefore both pronunciations are linguistically correct, given the differences in language. "LINE-ucks" is still way out there.
The Redhat interview is saw was on CNN's Moneyline sometime this weekend, they asked Bob Young about the MS case (who had a 6.0 box in the background, apparently they haven't upgraded the PR studio), he said his favorite remedy was a perpetual investigation. They also asked him about the Cobalt IPO (I think the interviewer thought it was a direct competitor), he said the more Linux companies the better. Redhat gets a lot of press since the IPO so the fact of a Redhat interview isn't really news.
The latest linux story on NPR is here. It was a pretty well informed interview with John Dodge, the editor of PC Week. You can find archives for most NPR shows at www.npr.org. The first story I could find using their search engine was in April of 1998.
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The entire debate with the pronounciation of Linux is all really English's (and maybe German's) fault. It's that simple. Even when you try to explain the pronunciation in text, it does not work. Not even if you say something like 'short i' or 'long i.' To different people that means different things. To Americans, and other Native English speakers 'short i' means the i in little and 'long i' means the ie in lie.
Whereas, in Romance languages, 'long i' means the ee in geek. Heck, even speakers of the same language don't agree. The British pronounce things differently than Americans.
Also, grammar and spelling is different. Such as ' quote ' as opposed to American " quote ." And colour and theatre as opposed to color and theater.
Case in point: This is all English's fault. I say we rm -rf /English/* right now. It will be the best for all of us. No more confusion. While we're at is let's just cp /Español/* /mnt/thing/backup and then rm -rf /* and then rcp /Español/* / to fix everything else too.
Hasta luego!
-El Señor Dragón al'JeRHombre Semidiós'de'Guerra
(in case you didn't figure it out, that was a joke, it's Lord Dragon al'PiLMaN Dai'Shan en Español)
Well, yes, it is spelt 'Luxury Yacht' but it is pronounced 'Throat-Warbler Mangrove'.
MrCreosote Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump! "You're right! There isn't enough room to swing a cat in here!"
If you really want a geeky pronunciation argument, try any of the following:
csh
tcsh
lilo
cache
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#
!
For the record I'm:
cee-ess-aich
teesh
lie-low
cash
tild-ah, although I'm gravitating towards twiddle
hash
bang
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Linus is part of the Swedish speaking minority (6%) of Finland. Swedish is one of the two official languages of Finland. I found this out from esr's Rampantly Unofficial Linus Torvalds FAQ
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Other Jeopardy mainstays include the many inventions of Buckminster Fuller and Esperanto. And now Linux. Be afraid.
"He's canadian, no wonder he didn't get it right, what'd you expect?"
"Ummm how about 'Linux, eh?'"
He didn't.
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Quine "quine?
out of curiosity, how exactly did they pronounce it? Linux...hmm, leeanux. lyinuck. Lennox? hmmm....kleenex?
I think there is a pronunciation HOWTO, which I read years ago.
;-) ).
;-)
It gave good reasons why Lye-nucks is the correct pronunciation for English-speaking people. It was something like this:
1. "Linux" is taken from Linus' name.
2. English speakers pronounce the name Linus as "Lye-nuss" (or should
3. Therefore, "Linux" should be pronounced as "Lye-nucks" by English speaking people.
4. Lee-nooks would be the alternate correct pronunciation (based on how Linus prounounced his own name when he lived in Finland).
5. There is no basis for the "Lin-nucks" pronunciation.
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Yeah, jeopardy was wrong but was is the contestant suppose to question?
"What is the GNU... uh... Lignu.. hmmm... Oh! What is GNU's Not Linux!"
I guess Linux is correct. One could have a liberal definition of 'system' I guess.
***Beginning*of*Signiture***
Linux? That's GNU/Linux to you mister!
Anybody remember the days when we were all excited to get a mention in the trade press?
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Man! we're obsessed!
***Beginning*of*Signiture***
Linux? That's GNU/Linux to you mister!
Ya, but the question was worth $1000 which means that it was supposed to be hard. If it had been worth been worth less that would mean you had really hit the big time.
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Actually, Windows users have more advanced and far more complex pronunciation issues than any of the primitive *nix operating systems do.
Take, for example, a case I encountered yesterday. While I exclaimed that Windows was really an "ass-smoking handicapped piece of crap" after it refused to boot, my boss, only a room away, interpreted windows as more of a "bloated, sheep-probing pile of crap" as the file server BSOD'd.
These subtle linguistic variations prove the flexibility of Windows and demonstrate a truly superior design, especially when compared to the antiquated Unix architecture.
I've heart one engineer refer to a gigahert. As in "We downmodulated the signal from 30 gigahertz to one gigahert." With a hard g of course. I prefer a hard g since a soft g reminds me of "gigilo" (which I pronounce as giga-low with a soft g). I pronounce silicon both ways with a preference for silikhan. I pronounce GIF the Compuserve (and peanut butter) way.
Fortunately, Webster's says that both a hard and soft g are ok for giga-and that silikahn and silikin are both ok for silicon.
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"fisk"
or when I'm feeling verbose
"f-s-check"
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The Gods will frown on me, I made a spelling error in a pronunciation thread.
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You Americans are SO DAMN unknowledgeable about the world outside the fast food and coca cola zone...
you seem to be forgetting the 'computing machine technology' zone...
(well what would YOU call it? "computing zone" sounds stupid...)
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There really doesn't need to be an arguement at all, for two reasons:
o It would be stupid to argue about a little thing like that. People know what you mean.
o For those that really do care, it can be easily settled by playing that sound file of Linus pronouncing it. It can be had in lots of places, and it plays when you use sndconfig to configure your sound card. He does use the short i version, but his foreign accent make it obvious why there is confusion here in the US but not there. He pronounces his name as something closer to "Leenus" (say it keeping your mouth only partly open) and says "Linux" exactly the same way as his name, changing only the consonant at the end, as in "Leenux".
Saying it like that would sound weird here in the states, so most people use a short i.
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"Hello, this is Leenus Torvalds and I pronounce leenux as leenux."
So we're all wrong I guess. I say it as "LIE-nux" because the Americanization of the name Linus is "LIE-nus" and I live in Massachusetts, so that sounds about right to me.
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Ahhh... it's an oldie but a goodie.
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from the almighty Jargon file
The ANSI/CCITT standard is surrounded by suck/blows and the INTERCAL substandard is surrounded by U turn/U turn backs
^ Common: hat; control; uparrow; caret; . Rare: chevron; [shark (or shark-fin)]; to the (`to the power of'); fang; pointer (in Pascal).
& Common: ; amper; and. Rare: address (from C); reference (from C++); andpersand; bitand; background (from sh(1)); pretzel; amp. [INTERCAL called this `ampersand'; what could be sillier?]
| Common: bar; or; or-bar; v-bar; pipe; vertical bar. Rare: ; gozinta; thru; pipesinta (last three from UNIX); [spike].
. Common: dot; point; ; . Rare: radix point; full stop; [spot].
() Common: l/r paren; l/r parenthesis; left/right; open/close; paren/thesis; o/c paren; o/c parenthesis; l/r parenthesis; l/r banana. Rare: so/already; lparen/rparen; ; o/c round bracket, l/r round bracket, [wax/wane]; parenthisey/unparenthisey; l/r ear.
{} Common: o/c brace; l/r brace; l/r squiggly; l/r squiggly bracket/brace; l/r curly bracket/brace; . Rare: brace/unbrace; curly/uncurly; leftit/rytit; l/r squirrelly; [embrace/bracelet].
[] Common: l/r square bracket; l/r bracket; ; bracket/unbracket. Rare: square/unsquare; [U turn/U turn back].
Common: ; bra/ket; l/r angle; l/r angle bracket; l/r broket. Rare: from/{into, towards}; read from/write to; suck/blow; comes-from/gozinta; in/out; crunch/zap (all from UNIX); [angle/right angle].
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from the almighty Jargon file
The ANSI/CCITT standard is surrounded by suck/blows and the INTERCAL substandard is surrounded by U turn/U turn backs
^ Common: hat; control; uparrow; caret; <circumflex>. Rare: chevron; [shark (or shark-fin)]; to the (`to the power of'); fang; pointer (in Pascal).
& Common: <ampersand>; amper; and. Rare: address (from C); reference (from C++); andpersand; bitand; background (from sh(1)); pretzel; amp. [INTERCAL called this `ampersand'; what could be sillier?]
| Common: bar; or; or-bar; v-bar; pipe; vertical bar. Rare: <vertical line>; gozinta; thru; pipesinta (last three from UNIX); [spike].
. Common: dot; point; <period>; <decimal point>. Rare: radix point; full stop; [spot].
() Common: l/r paren; l/r parenthesis; left/right; open/close; paren/thesis; o/c paren; o/c parenthesis; l/r parenthesis; l/r banana. Rare: so/already; lparen/rparen; <opening/closing parenthesis>; o/c round bracket, l/r round bracket, [wax/wane]; parenthisey/unparenthisey; l/r ear.
{} Common: o/c brace; l/r brace; l/r squiggly; l/r squiggly bracket/brace; l/r curly bracket/brace; <opening/closing brace>. Rare: brace/unbrace; curly/uncurly; leftit/rytit; l/r squirrelly; [embrace/bracelet].
[] Common: l/r square bracket; l/r bracket; <opening/closing bracket>; bracket/unbracket. Rare: square/unsquare; [U turn/U turn back].
< > Common: <less/greater than>; bra/ket; l/r angle; l/r angle bracket; l/r broket. Rare: from/{into, towards}; read from/write to; suck/blow; comes-from/gozinta; in/out; crunch/zap (all from UNIX); [angle/right angle].
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I call it Line-ux as well, because when I first saw the word, my brain made this simple association. Linus, in the US, usually pronounced Line-us. Linux, spelled almost the same, replacing the s with x, therefore it should be pronounced the same. Thus, Line-ux. Do you pronounce Linus Lynn-us?
It will always be thus in my mind. No matter what anyone says. If you say Lynn-us follows the rules of English or some such more closely, remember this. Linus, who named the damn thing in the first place, doesn't speak english as his first language. Anyhoo.
Is there anyone besides myself out there that still says "string" whenever they see "$"?
This comes from spending WAY too much time coding in Basic back in the day!
I only do it if there is a $ at the end of a word though. Q$ is "Q STRING" to me.
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I was struck by the wording "can be obtained for free".
It's an example of how the general public just haven't been told that GPL'd software is free in that it "has freedom", rather than "can be obtained gratis".
People, when you see this kind of thing, *please* make a point of informing people, so they'll know in future.
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I thought it was gigavolts.
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"'Is not a quine' is not a quine" is a quine.
Quine "quine?
csh - Sea Shell
tcsh - Tee Sea Shell
lilo - Lie-Low
cache - Cah-Shay (It's french, damnit)
~ - Til-Dah
# - hash
! - exclamation point (although lately i've used bang like the rest of the world)
BTW, cache must be cah-shay, because:
a) it's french (at least originally)
b) you can't say CASH because if you're working on an e-commerce system things become confusing really quickly.
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or as I prefer in my Tolkien-esque mentality
Mordeth?????
*OK I'M OPENING UP A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS ON THAT ONE*
at least for those who know how to translate Quenya...
OK as long as I'm rambling, is it Tol-ken or Tol-KEY-enn????
OK OK Grossly offtopic, but isn't most of this thread?
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yes gif is jif...i've never like it with a hard g...reminds me of saying integer with a hard g...just sounds wrong
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Actually, I've heard the /correct/ way to say the "giga" prefix is with a soft "g", like "jigga". Dr. Emmett Brown from Back To The Future corroborates this.
It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
5. There is no basis for the "Lin-nucks" pronunciation.
6. "Lin-icks" is a subtle variant on #5.
I am fairly confident #6 came into use because it rhymes with Unix (you-nicks) and Minix (Min-icks), both of which Linux has as ancestors.
(Personally, I use #6, mainly because it is what I heard first, but that's just me.)
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I personally pronounce it LIN-ucks because IMHO it's just easier to say. Therefore in the tradition of tab completions......
I say it with a long "i" because with a short "i"
it sounds like "lennox" which is my mom's china pattern.
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