The way around it is to have 'more important' people give the robot an order not to obey other people when those people tell it to destroy itself. If you have a hierarchy of people, it works pretty well.
As for Asimov, well, he was a sci-fi writer. And about 100 other kinds too.:)
Seriously, if you haven't seen a book by him, then...well...I don't believe you. He wrote something like 200 of them.:)
You have an interesting defination of 'fair and square'...
Well, I'm off to mug people, and earn my money fair and square.
And, yeah, giving it to the FSF is just silly...if they deserve it, so does Caldera, IBM, Novell, Be, Apple, Amiga (whoever that is now)...etc...
But, the whole point of the trial is to show they acted illegally, in violation of the Serman Anti-Trust Act, and various other ones. It really amazes me that people have trouble grasping this...what do people think trials are for? And there are only a few things the government can do to a corperation...it can fine them, make them sign consent degrees, break them up, and/or disolve them.
And, yes, they are innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law...but those of us in the field have seen them...we know they abuse their monopoly.
Secure mode is Alt-Sysreq-K, for SAK. It makes sure nothing is running on that terminal, so you can't fake the login prompt. Dunno about the other, though.
My school didn't appear to have a chess team, or a math team, or a programming team...
Me and a few friends started a computer club, though...it didn't last long.
And, I really don't think goths want the reaction, 'I'm going to beat you up.' They want some reaction, but I, even though I'm not a goth, will bet it's not to be beat up. (This is about the obvious ones who dress as goths. There are a lot of people out there who wear dark clothes, listen to goth music, and subscribe to gothish magazines (assuming they exist), who really are goths, they just don't look it. Subcultures always have people in them who want to flaunt it, some in hiding, and most who don't really care.)
>There's only competition, survival, and money... Oh, spoken like a true jock/prep. Thank you very much. Life is a zero-sum game, and there are winners and losers, huh? Get the hell off the forum. You can't 'beat' other people, this isn't a contest, it's life. This attitude is what geeks are complaining about! Because, for these kids to be popular and 'win' at school, there have to be people who are unpopular and 'lose'.
And perhaps you don't understand...it's not about rebellion, it's about doing what we like. Just because we happen to like computers more then sports doesn't mean we deserve to be picked on continually. Sure, lots of geeks are anti-social, but isn't it a bit odd that all these people that 'choose' to be anti-social fit in a few catagories? Perhaps they didn't choose to be anti-social, perhaps they just choose the catagories, and everyone picking on them made them anti-social. But, of course, it's easier just to assume they did it to themselves, After all, the cool kids wouldn't do stuff like that, only weirdos marginalize people.
And, BTW, it's amazing how you can compliment people who 'waste' hours training their bodies to do sports, but people who 'waste' hours training for a computer game are to be pitied...let me let you in a secret...baseball is no more real then DOOM! They both were totally invented out of thin air! Neither has a bearing on real life! One will, in general, make you faster, and more coordinated, and the other will give you good reflexes. True, if you are really, really lucky, you can make a living at baseball, but most people who think they can do that are just fooling themselves, and, ironically, living more in a fantasy world then geeks who know beating DOOM at 'ultra-violent' level doesn't really count for anything more then a measure of their skill.
I would like to note here that I'm not 'dissing' sports...sports are cool. If I could do school again I would play more of them. But they are no more real then computer games, or even chess. And they do not give people the right to make fun of people who don't play them.
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Was he a student? If not, well...it dosn't count, you can't stop a crazy preson from attacking a school, but it's not a 'school' shooting, it's an assult on a school. The point is, students in Canada don't go wacko.
I could point of lots of silliness here...(Linux+X crashes more then Windows on balance?!?!), or I could point out that most Linux systems do, in fact, have a monitor and run X, but, I have an Othello game I could be playing.
If you claim something, you have to be there, at least according to everything I've ever read. You can claim an area beyond where you are slighty, but I seriously doubt you can claim an extraterrestial body.
Also, what, exactly, makes people think the moon falls under the earth's laws anyway?
And if it does, the Heinlein story had a point...if the moon is under the laws of earth, then, logically, the people who own land under it own it. There is no 'you don't own land over your property if it's not connected to your land' exception to the property ownership laws. The law has already decided you own all the way down to the center of the earth, and you own the air over your land (technically, airplanes and stuff have the same kind of right of passage that 'landlocked' people have to get to a road, called an easement), so, logically, if the moon passes over your land you own it while it does so.
If you claim something, you have to be there, at least according to everything I've ever read. You can claim an area beyond where you are slighty, but I seriously doubt you can claim an extraterrestial body.
Also, what, exactly, makes people think the moon falls under the earth's laws anyway?
And if it does, the Heinlein story had a point...if the moon is under the laws of earth, then, logically, the people who own land under it own it. There is no 'you don't own land over your property if it's not connected to your land' exception to the property ownership laws. The law has already decided you own all the way down to the center of the earth, and you own the air over your land (technically, airplanes and stuff have the same kind of right of passage that 'landlocked' people have to get to a road), so, logically, if the moon passes over your land you own it while it does so.
Isn't it the job of the government to go after illegal actions?
They aren't claim copyright violation, they are claiming the UltraHLE people broke a law...shouldn't they just call up the FBI, or whoever would have juristidiction over this?
Hundreds of people?!? In jail just from perjury? That's interesting...could you name a few of them? Exspecially for prejury to avoid personal embarressment, instead of covering up a crime, in a civil case?
Oh, and with it not related to the case in the first place, too.
You can argue that all prejury is a 'high crime or misdemeanor' if you want, but there are very, very, very few people for are in jail just for that, without having commited another crime. Go on. I dare you to name one. I bet, if you can find any cases, they will have been a convenient way to lock a 'troublemaker'. This level of purjury is almost never prosecuted, period. People who claim there are lots of people serving time for it are either uninformed or liars.
I don't know exactly what news you were reading, but I didn't see any mention of open source putting them out of business. I saw email clients intergrated in web browsers putting that product out of business.
Don't act like an idiot, and blame OSS for something it had nothing to do with...
Okay, I can't seem to stop, now...
So...you claim OSS represents a threat to commerical software devlopers? Let's think about this...so, people will stop using OSS to save the industry? Somehow I doubt it, because I don't appear to own any buggy whips.
And, if you weren't paying attention, communism==evil in most people's mind really mean totalitarian==evil.
The only reason people hate Stalin is because he killed, what? 10 million people?
I love how the 'anti-communist, anti-open source' people claim that OSS will destroy commericial software... Isn't protecting an industry considered at least socialist in the first place? If people can, competing in the 'free market' which is in most universes considered to be the opposite of communism, win the most people, then doesn't it get to? Isn't that the point of a free market?
Being anti-any software development process is communism. Let it compete.
Isn't the basic theory behind opening the bag that you agree to the 'contract' on the sticker? Well, what's stopping you from crossing out the sticker and initialing it, or just getting the kid across the street to open it, as minors can't enter into legal contracts.
Actually, just give the kid the money + 5 dollars, and let him buy it, open it, boot it up, and click 'Okay' on anything, and then hand it over to you. (This might screw up a warrenty, though.)
Look carefully, there is nothing that say they do or don't accept it, and certainly nothign that says...so, either a) They haven't accepted it, so the whole things invalid anyway, or b) They already accepted it, stupidly without getting you at the same time.
As a matter of fact, I wonder if you could add clauses.:)
If they have the right to take your money, and then impose a 'contract' on you after the sell, you have just as much right to change it after the sell.
You aren't buying a computer, you are entering a contract. There is a huge difference. For all you know, the contract you enter sight-unseen could require you to forfeit all copyright on work you create with it to MS. You can't tell.
This, in a nutshell, is why it's illegal. You really, really, *really* need to read contracts before agreeing to them, as they can make you do almost anything.
As for this 'car without a radio', that's totally ilrelavent (sp?) to this. Frankly, I'm pretty certain I can sell whatever I want that's legal to sell seperately in whatever combination, unless I'm under a restraining order.
Erm, why couldn't the system they then sale be a new system?
However, you may be correct, because Windows is licensed only for that computer, I think. Although, if so, the OEM should be able to get their money back from M$...yeah, right.
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The way around it is to have 'more important' people give the robot an order not to obey other people when those people tell it to destroy itself. If you have a hierarchy of people, it works pretty well.
As for Asimov, well, he was a sci-fi writer. And about 100 other kinds too. :)
Seriously, if you haven't seen a book by him, then...well...I don't believe you. He wrote something like 200 of them. :)
Well, I'm off to mug people, and earn my money fair and square.
And, yeah, giving it to the FSF is just silly...if they deserve it, so does Caldera, IBM, Novell, Be, Apple, Amiga (whoever that is now)...etc...
But, the whole point of the trial is to show they acted illegally, in violation of the Serman Anti-Trust Act, and various other ones. It really amazes me that people have trouble grasping this...what do people think trials are for? And there are only a few things the government can do to a corperation...it can fine them, make them sign consent degrees, break them up, and/or disolve them.
And, yes, they are innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law...but those of us in the field have seen them...we know they abuse their monopoly.
African or european swallow? :)
Secure mode is Alt-Sysreq-K, for SAK. It makes sure nothing is running on that terminal, so you can't fake the login prompt. Dunno about the other, though.
Me and a few friends started a computer club, though...it didn't last long.
And, I really don't think goths want the reaction, 'I'm going to beat you up.' They want some reaction, but I, even though I'm not a goth, will bet it's not to be beat up.
(This is about the obvious ones who dress as goths. There are a lot of people out there who wear dark clothes, listen to goth music, and subscribe to gothish magazines (assuming they exist), who really are goths, they just don't look it. Subcultures always have people in them who want to flaunt it, some in hiding, and most who don't really care.)
Oh, spoken like a true jock/prep. Thank you very much. Life is a zero-sum game, and there are winners and losers, huh? Get the hell off the forum. You can't 'beat' other people, this isn't a contest, it's life. This attitude is what geeks are complaining about! Because, for these kids to be popular and 'win' at school, there have to be people who are unpopular and 'lose'.
And perhaps you don't understand...it's not about rebellion, it's about doing what we like. Just because we happen to like computers more then sports doesn't mean we deserve to be picked on continually. Sure, lots of geeks are anti-social, but isn't it a bit odd that all these people that 'choose' to be anti-social fit in a few catagories? Perhaps they didn't choose to be anti-social, perhaps they just choose the catagories, and everyone picking on them made them anti-social. But, of course, it's easier just to assume they did it to themselves, After all, the cool kids wouldn't do stuff like that, only weirdos marginalize people.
And, BTW, it's amazing how you can compliment people who 'waste' hours training their bodies to do sports, but people who 'waste' hours training for a computer game are to be pitied...let me let you in a secret...baseball is no more real then DOOM! They both were totally invented out of thin air! Neither has a bearing on real life! One will, in general, make you faster, and more coordinated, and the other will give you good reflexes. True, if you are really, really lucky, you can make a living at baseball, but most people who think they can do that are just fooling themselves, and, ironically, living more in a fantasy world then geeks who know beating DOOM at 'ultra-violent' level doesn't really count for anything more then a measure of their skill.
I would like to note here that I'm not 'dissing' sports...sports are cool. If I could do school again I would play more of them. But they are no more real then computer games, or even chess. And they do not give people the right to make fun of people who don't play them.
Or are they the same things?
Was he a student? If not, well...it dosn't count, you can't stop a crazy preson from attacking a school, but it's not a 'school' shooting, it's an assult on a school. The point is, students in Canada don't go wacko.
Actually, it's smalled then smaller then smaller then fairly small. It might even be smaller.
I could point of lots of silliness here...(Linux+X crashes more then Windows on balance?!?!), or I could point out that most Linux systems do, in fact, have a monitor and run X, but, I have an Othello game I could be playing.
Someone else feed the troll, my time is precious.
Erm...the person who stole it?
Sorry to have to yell, but....
USE PATCHES!!!!!
Thank you.
If I put up a suggestion box in my hypothetical store, does that give people the right to dump ads in it? Nope.
Also, what, exactly, makes people think the moon falls under the earth's laws anyway?
And if it does, the Heinlein story had a point...if the moon is under the laws of earth, then, logically, the people who own land under it own it. There is no 'you don't own land over your property if it's not connected to your land' exception to the property ownership laws. The law has already decided you own all the way down to the center of the earth, and you own the air over your land (technically, airplanes and stuff have the same kind of right of passage that 'landlocked' people have to get to a road, called an easement), so, logically, if the moon passes over your land you own it while it does so.
Also, what, exactly, makes people think the moon falls under the earth's laws anyway?
And if it does, the Heinlein story had a point...if the moon is under the laws of earth, then, logically, the people who own land under it own it. There is no 'you don't own land over your property if it's not connected to your land' exception to the property ownership laws. The law has already decided you own all the way down to the center of the earth, and you own the air over your land (technically, airplanes and stuff have the same kind of right of passage that 'landlocked' people have to get to a road), so, logically, if the moon passes over your land you own it while it does so.
I still don't see why they didn't buzz the local FBI branch office...
They aren't claim copyright violation, they are claiming the UltraHLE people broke a law...shouldn't they just call up the FBI, or whoever would have juristidiction over this?
That's interesting...could you name a few of them?
Exspecially for prejury to avoid personal embarressment, instead of covering up a crime, in a civil case?
Oh, and with it not related to the case in the first place, too.
You can argue that all prejury is a 'high crime or misdemeanor' if you want, but there are very, very, very few people for are in jail just for that, without having commited another crime.
Go on. I dare you to name one. I bet, if you can find any cases, they will have been a convenient way to lock a 'troublemaker'.
This level of purjury is almost never prosecuted, period. People who claim there are lots of people serving time for it are either uninformed or liars.
Don't act like an idiot, and blame OSS for something it had nothing to do with...
Okay, I can't seem to stop, now...
So...you claim OSS represents a threat to commerical software devlopers? Let's think about this...so, people will stop using OSS to save the industry? Somehow I doubt it, because I don't appear to own any buggy whips.
And, if you weren't paying attention, communism==evil in most people's mind really mean totalitarian==evil.
The only reason people hate Stalin is because he killed, what? 10 million people?
I love how the 'anti-communist, anti-open source' people claim that OSS will destroy commericial software...
Isn't protecting an industry considered at least socialist in the first place? If people can, competing in the 'free market' which is in most universes considered to be the opposite of communism, win the most people, then doesn't it get to? Isn't that the point of a free market?
Being anti-any software development process is communism. Let it compete.
Isn't the basic theory behind opening the bag that you agree to the 'contract' on the sticker?
Well, what's stopping you from crossing out the sticker and initialing it, or just getting the kid across the street to open it, as minors can't enter into legal contracts.
Actually, just give the kid the money + 5 dollars, and let him buy it, open it, boot it up, and click 'Okay' on anything, and then hand it over to you. (This might screw up a warrenty, though.)
Look carefully, there is nothing that say they do or don't accept it, and certainly nothign that says...so, either a) They haven't accepted it, so the whole things invalid anyway, or b) They already accepted it, stupidly without getting you at the same time.
As a matter of fact, I wonder if you could add clauses. :)
If they have the right to take your money, and then impose a 'contract' on you after the sell, you have just as much right to change it after the sell.
You aren't buying a computer, you are entering a contract. There is a huge difference. For all you know, the contract you enter sight-unseen could require you to forfeit all copyright on work you create with it to MS. You can't tell.
This, in a nutshell, is why it's illegal. You really, really, *really* need to read contracts before agreeing to them, as they can make you do almost anything.
As for this 'car without a radio', that's totally ilrelavent (sp?) to this. Frankly, I'm pretty certain I can sell whatever I want that's legal to sell seperately in whatever combination, unless I'm under a restraining order.
Are they going to require IDs on all music purchase? If not, what will stop someone from buying something and paying with cold, hard cash?
However, you may be correct, because Windows is licensed only for that computer, I think. Although, if so, the OEM should be able to get their money back from M$...yeah, right.
Man, that would be a cool power.