I'll have to argue the point that OS X does GUI better/more functional. I personally hate the Mac OS interface. The file manager sucks, the dock is pretty but crap (keeping track of open applications and its windows).. You can't tell me that is better than what Windows does. But each to their own I guess.
In my opinion, Vista is more stable than XP. I haven't had any blue screens of death with Vista. I agree, before SP1 it had some issues, but since SP1, I haven't had any issues. The laptop I'm using it on is fast enough to run it(2.2Ghz Dual Core), plenty of RAM (4Gig - RAM is cheap these days), no issues. I wouldn't go back to XP. But, thats my experience.
My Vista install is very snappy on a Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz, 4Gig RAM. A friend of mine has the same laptop with XP installed, but his context menu takes ages to appear when he right clicks on something, and its due to some crappy application that he has installed and its added itself to the context menu.
My 3.4Gig XP machine (only 1Gig RAM though) is slower, even with a base XP install, and all I'm using it for is MediaPortal.
Can you please educate us by telling us at least 3 platforms that Vista runs on? x86, x64.. you fill in the third one.
If you would promote Vista you should focus on fixing their uncertainty by getting somebody at work to publish a list of platforms that it honestly runs well on: not platforms that are "Vista Ready" or "Vista Capable".
Ok, you are confusing underpowered hardware with "platforms". Vista will run on x86 architecture and x64 architecture. As we witnessed, Vista is not happy with underpowered hardware, and thats what "Vista Ready/Capable" thing was about.
I use Vista at work, and there was nothing that it is preventing me from doing, and its certainly not preventing me from doing my work.
In the same time, I haven't had Vista's DRM impeding me in any way I would know about it.
Sorry to break it to you buddy, but if you can't figure Vista out, there is something wrong with you.
>He bought the Dell to sell shit on eBay, send/receive emails, browse the web, do a spreadsheet, and nonsense like that. All of those were easy to set up thanks to Ubuntu, Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice.org and some 1337 h4x0ring to drop in Sun's official version of Java.
And he couldn't do that with Vista? And you couldn't do that with Vista?
>I got rid of all the icons and other nonsense. It boots right into his user account and there's (almost) nothing he can push that will fsck anything up. If the software update window pops up, it looks similar to the Mac one and he knows what to do.
Ahh I see, you are a Mac fanboy, enough said. Go on, scoot. Don't forget your iPod nano on your way out.
Honestly, if someone bought a Dell with Vista, and after 6 months he still didn't do anything with it because he couldn't figure it out, what are the chances he will figure Linux out. Your story sounds like complete bullshit. But, do try again, just try to make it sound believable next time.
Typcial flash memory will have about 100,000 write cycles, and about 100years data retention. This may not be a problem in an embedded controller which is using this for storage only, but if an OS is going to thrash it every day, continously, it may become a problem. It still has a crappier lifetime than a typical HDD.
Vista works fine on current hard drives, and flash based memory is historically slower than HDDs, so blaming MS for it is absurd. If they cannot develop fast enough SSDs, its their bloody fault. What you are saying is that MS should patch their software so it works with the brand new state of art SLOW hardware.
Just to butt in on you two's conversation, why don't you post some plausible examples on what takes less time to do in Linux (as compared to Windows). For example, I plugged in my Logitech camera yesterday, and without putting in the CD, windows update offered to install Logitech drivers. So I said, yep, go ahead, and it did it for me, the entire logitech cam app including drivers was installed, and I didn't even need to put in the CD. You yourself were saying:
>Almost every major system management operation in Linux takes less time and less user interaction than the equivalent operation on Windows: the initial install, software upgrades, driver installs, operating system upgrades, network configuration, application installs, setting up network installs, etc
So, I gave you one example where Windows came through, there are times where it makes life difficult, and other times, it makes life easy. No such thing as perfect, and both Windows and Linux are far from being perfect, in their own little ways. I personally don't care either way, it amazes me how people get so worked up over the whole linux/windows thing. This is Slashdot though..
MS does not choose what you can use. You can use MS and you can use Linux or Apple, you are not being forced to use anything you don't want to. (unless its at work, in which case, you don't have a choice, your employer makes it for you, not MS).
Seriously, go outside, have a breath of fresh air, and then rethink that.
Why the hell would you be buying a notebook and then Windows Server 2008 Enterprise, to make the most out of the multimedia capabilities? Sure you can download Linux for free, or you can just use XP/Vista that came with it. You know, to prove a point, you don't have to choose the most expensive Windows product and compare it to a free community OS. Which begs to ask, how much does it cost for say the enterprise version Red Hat?
And what is the problem? Windows != Linux, and as such, the practices are not the same. I'm not the car analogy guy, but when you buy a car, you don't get upgraded to the new model when it comes out, you have to pay for it. Apple requires you to pay for their OS updates, and people pay, I don't hear too many having a cry over it.
If you are a Windows user, you'll get used to paying for a new OS every 5 years, I'm sure many spend a lot more upgrading their hardware on a much shorter cycle. If you are a Linux user, why does it bother you? In most cases, its the businesses paying for the upgrades, and quite often, they can afford it, and write it off on tax.
Chances are, these things will not be used for PDAs of any sorts. The most likely use would be sensory type applications where you want it running for a long time, but it is not crunching a lot of data. When you think the lowest power micro is a texas instruments one running at 8Mhz, and they just released their new line running at max of 16Mhz, can you imagine what a clock speed of a micro running at 0.3V would be?
These people should be castrated. ISPs should not be inserting ads in your webpages - we pay them for a service, one that has not been altered in any way. If we choose to go to a site with ads, or one without, it is up to us, but your own ISP inserting ads is taking it way too far.
Most people just want a fish. They know that they could catch their own, and they could build their own fishing rod. But, they just want the friggin fish. Dead, gutted, ready to be thrown on the barbie.
That is why Linux is not succeeding. Plus, you have a million people telling them all the different fish they could have, and what they can do with that particular fish, and why its better than the other fish. And on top, to get your fish to taste nicer, you have to build your own barbie. So people say - keep your fish, and your instructions for the fishing rod and your instructions for building my own BBQ, I'm going to go to the corner store, and buy a fish. I don't give a damn what it is, but its going to be no effort, it will taste nice and greasy, and I'll get chips with it too.
They are using a 32bit micro, running on batteries, running linux. It is not a low power micro, and if similar choices were made elsewhere, this thing would need a back pack power supply to be able to run for any extended period of time. They are using embedded linux. So, they really don't know what they are doing with the micro, and will just try different software out to see what works. Fancy system graphs.. just foolin people to think they know what they are doing. But, its probably good for a bit of fun. Probably no commercial sense whatsoever. Had they have used a low power micro controller, use a real embedded system, and get down and dirty by writing the firmware yourself, and then its worth talking about.
Well, if we are inside someone else's simulation of the universe, that is a long ass simulation - and it hasn't crashed yet. I wonder what they are running it on..
In Australia, a 500GB drive might cost you AUD150.00. Our dollar has gone up compared to the USD, so that should maybe be a little bit cheaper. A nice WD 500GB SATA will cost about $153.00 (AUD).
You know that flash based helicopter game. You click the mouse to go up and let go to go down - and then navigate over obstacles that are getting harder and harder. That was a good game.
Another one which I haven't played in a while was this circle game. You had two circles, one within the other. Each one had a small opening and they were both spinning in the oposite directions. So what you had to do is shoot a ball through when the openings align. I payed that one for hours and hours and hours...
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I'll have to argue the point that OS X does GUI better/more functional. I personally hate the Mac OS interface. The file manager sucks, the dock is pretty but crap (keeping track of open applications and its windows).. You can't tell me that is better than what Windows does. But each to their own I guess.
In my opinion, Vista is more stable than XP. I haven't had any blue screens of death with Vista. I agree, before SP1 it had some issues, but since SP1, I haven't had any issues. The laptop I'm using it on is fast enough to run it(2.2Ghz Dual Core), plenty of RAM (4Gig - RAM is cheap these days), no issues. I wouldn't go back to XP. But, thats my experience.
You've never use a screwdriver as a hammer? I certainly have!
My Vista install is very snappy on a Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz, 4Gig RAM. A friend of mine has the same laptop with XP installed, but his context menu takes ages to appear when he right clicks on something, and its due to some crappy application that he has installed and its added itself to the context menu.
My 3.4Gig XP machine (only 1Gig RAM though) is slower, even with a base XP install, and all I'm using it for is MediaPortal.
If you would promote Vista you should focus on fixing their uncertainty by getting somebody at work to publish a list of platforms that it honestly runs well on: not platforms that are "Vista Ready" or "Vista Capable".
Ok, you are confusing underpowered hardware with "platforms". Vista will run on x86 architecture and x64 architecture. As we witnessed, Vista is not happy with underpowered hardware, and thats what "Vista Ready/Capable" thing was about.
I use Vista at work, and there was nothing that it is preventing me from doing, and its certainly not preventing me from doing my work.
In the same time, I haven't had Vista's DRM impeding me in any way I would know about it.
Sorry to break it to you buddy, but if you can't figure Vista out, there is something wrong with you.
>He bought the Dell to sell shit on eBay, send/receive emails, browse the web, do a spreadsheet, and nonsense like that. All of those were easy to set up thanks to Ubuntu, Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice.org and some 1337 h4x0ring to drop in Sun's official version of Java.
And he couldn't do that with Vista? And you couldn't do that with Vista?
>I got rid of all the icons and other nonsense. It boots right into his user account and there's (almost) nothing he can push that will fsck anything up. If the software update window pops up, it looks similar to the Mac one and he knows what to do.
Ahh I see, you are a Mac fanboy, enough said. Go on, scoot. Don't forget your iPod nano on your way out.
Honestly, if someone bought a Dell with Vista, and after 6 months he still didn't do anything with it because he couldn't figure it out, what are the chances he will figure Linux out. Your story sounds like complete bullshit. But, do try again, just try to make it sound believable next time.
Typcial flash memory will have about 100,000 write cycles, and about 100years data retention. This may not be a problem in an embedded controller which is using this for storage only, but if an OS is going to thrash it every day, continously, it may become a problem. It still has a crappier lifetime than a typical HDD.
How so?
Vista works fine on current hard drives, and flash based memory is historically slower than HDDs, so blaming MS for it is absurd. If they cannot develop fast enough SSDs, its their bloody fault. What you are saying is that MS should patch their software so it works with the brand new state of art SLOW hardware.
Just to butt in on you two's conversation, why don't you post some plausible examples on what takes less time to do in Linux (as compared to Windows). For example, I plugged in my Logitech camera yesterday, and without putting in the CD, windows update offered to install Logitech drivers. So I said, yep, go ahead, and it did it for me, the entire logitech cam app including drivers was installed, and I didn't even need to put in the CD. You yourself were saying:
>Almost every major system management operation in Linux takes less time and less user interaction than the equivalent operation on Windows: the initial install, software upgrades, driver installs, operating system upgrades, network configuration, application installs, setting up network installs, etc
So, I gave you one example where Windows came through, there are times where it makes life difficult, and other times, it makes life easy. No such thing as perfect, and both Windows and Linux are far from being perfect, in their own little ways. I personally don't care either way, it amazes me how people get so worked up over the whole linux/windows thing. This is Slashdot though..
MS does not choose what you can use. You can use MS and you can use Linux or Apple, you are not being forced to use anything you don't want to. (unless its at work, in which case, you don't have a choice, your employer makes it for you, not MS).
Seriously, go outside, have a breath of fresh air, and then rethink that.
Why the hell would you be buying a notebook and then Windows Server 2008 Enterprise, to make the most out of the multimedia capabilities? Sure you can download Linux for free, or you can just use XP/Vista that came with it. You know, to prove a point, you don't have to choose the most expensive Windows product and compare it to a free community OS. Which begs to ask, how much does it cost for say the enterprise version Red Hat?
And what is the problem? Windows != Linux, and as such, the practices are not the same. I'm not the car analogy guy, but when you buy a car, you don't get upgraded to the new model when it comes out, you have to pay for it. Apple requires you to pay for their OS updates, and people pay, I don't hear too many having a cry over it.
If you are a Windows user, you'll get used to paying for a new OS every 5 years, I'm sure many spend a lot more upgrading their hardware on a much shorter cycle. If you are a Linux user, why does it bother you? In most cases, its the businesses paying for the upgrades, and quite often, they can afford it, and write it off on tax.
Chances are, these things will not be used for PDAs of any sorts. The most likely use would be sensory type applications where you want it running for a long time, but it is not crunching a lot of data. When you think the lowest power micro is a texas instruments one running at 8Mhz, and they just released their new line running at max of 16Mhz, can you imagine what a clock speed of a micro running at 0.3V would be?
These people should be castrated. ISPs should not be inserting ads in your webpages - we pay them for a service, one that has not been altered in any way. If we choose to go to a site with ads, or one without, it is up to us, but your own ISP inserting ads is taking it way too far.
Most people just want a fish. They know that they could catch their own, and they could build their own fishing rod. But, they just want the friggin fish. Dead, gutted, ready to be thrown on the barbie.
That is why Linux is not succeeding. Plus, you have a million people telling them all the different fish they could have, and what they can do with that particular fish, and why its better than the other fish. And on top, to get your fish to taste nicer, you have to build your own barbie. So people say - keep your fish, and your instructions for the fishing rod and your instructions for building my own BBQ, I'm going to go to the corner store, and buy a fish. I don't give a damn what it is, but its going to be no effort, it will taste nice and greasy, and I'll get chips with it too.
Your computer does.
Developers that create faulty code and don't test it shouldn't be developers...
mammal dum dum
They are using a 32bit micro, running on batteries, running linux. It is not a low power micro, and if similar choices were made elsewhere, this thing would need a back pack power supply to be able to run for any extended period of time. They are using embedded linux. So, they really don't know what they are doing with the micro, and will just try different software out to see what works. Fancy system graphs.. just foolin people to think they know what they are doing. But, its probably good for a bit of fun. Probably no commercial sense whatsoever. Had they have used a low power micro controller, use a real embedded system, and get down and dirty by writing the firmware yourself, and then its worth talking about.
Well, if we are inside someone else's simulation of the universe, that is a long ass simulation - and it hasn't crashed yet. I wonder what they are running it on..
cheese?
In Australia, a 500GB drive might cost you AUD150.00. Our dollar has gone up compared to the USD, so that should maybe be a little bit cheaper. A nice WD 500GB SATA will cost about $153.00 (AUD).
why do you make the assumption he is in the US?
You know that flash based helicopter game. You click the mouse to go up and let go to go down - and then navigate over obstacles that are getting harder and harder. That was a good game.
Another one which I haven't played in a while was this circle game. You had two circles, one within the other. Each one had a small opening and they were both spinning in the oposite directions. So what you had to do is shoot a ball through when the openings align. I payed that one for hours and hours and hours...