I can actually verify this one from personal experience. I was making 15 an hour for a company. They paid the temp company 35 an hour. I saw the invoices. That was with a company called teksystems. I did temp work also for the state of illinois. I did various admin stuff there. made like 11 an hour. They paid 20 an hour for me. So yeah the AC is actually correct. The temp shit is a racket for the temp companies.
I think something that would be interesting for you maybe to talk about, or have a speaker talk about, is social skills for people who are interested in CS as a career. I'm an extrovert so I don't have issues talking with users and colleagues, but so many people in CS do nowadays. I happen to have some modicum of IT skill, but I see lots of folks hired into IT nowadays that aren't really great at IT, but great with people. Especially user support fields. And before y'all say it, yes I know those aren't ideal, but we all gotta start somewhere right?
I would also think maybe have a couple speakers with some real world XP would be nice. Not just coders, but maybe a tech support person or a network admin. Perhaps someone in a field that is growing. I work in Healthcare Informatics and that is a booming field.
Just kind of look outside the box and I think you will get a large group than just your core that way.
Exceptional point my AC friend. I'm sure he was stupid enough to think he was doing something "leet" though. I would say to be "leet" enough to get a security company to look at you, you should probably hack something other than your former employer that you already had high level access too. I would have loved to screw over a couple places, but I had the foresight to know that hacking their shitty ERP system was gonna get me nowhere.
Hell even getting a job as a fry cook might be tough nowadays. Too many non cons needing jobs.
Couldn't agree more with you on this. I played a lot of Nintendo as a kid. Mostly Zelda and the Mario stuff. To be honest that is all I really ever played. Wasn't a really hard core gamer and I really didn't use a PC all that much. Then I hit my 20's an feel in love with software development. I still really don't use a PC that much when I get home, just be cause to be honest, I am tired of staring at a screen all day.
Being a girl( I swear I really am female!!!), I have some insight for you. My mom and best friend are very much the people that fit the stereotype. Both of them ADORE pink frilly stuff, love to shop, have a hardcore penchant for knickknacks and are generally very girly. Hell they even have "typically" female jobs, a cosmetologist and a nurse. I, on the other hand, think pink of any sort is hideous, prefer WoW to the Lifetime channel and work in IT. Doesn't mean I don't do girly things though. I love to shop for..... yes shoes. I think I have like 30 pairs. It's my little thing. All people have some piece of them that fit into some stereotype about them. In spite of that, I, and most women I know, don't want to be pandered to. It's a terrible idea. It this whole thing makes Dell look like they don't have a damn clue about modern women. Are some of us on diets, yup we are. Do some of us love shoes, yeah. I know I do:) Do some of us love the atrocity that is the color pink, sure. As another poster said, I am sure this has some appeal to some women, but not me. I'm not trying to say that I'm some super special person because of this either. Just saying it's a terrible fucking idea to to stereotype ALL people in a certain race, gender, sexual orientation and then try to sell them a product based on that. It would be like me setting up a website selling country music and only gear it towards Texans, you can put a multitude of other examples here but you get the point. I think I won't be buying from Dell anymore.
You bet I did. I explained my situation to the enrollment counselor that I had these computer courses and wouldn't need the basics. He told me no problem, they would waive them and I could take a computer elective. I looked at the courses and saw that they didn't have a huge programming class library, but there were some. Then when I got into the courses, they decided to make me take the bullshit. Talked to the enrollment counselor again and he said unfortunately some of the classes I wanted weren't being taught for one reason or another so I HAD to take the basics. He said also they would choose what they thought was "best" for me not me. If I would have known all the information they told me after I signed up, I would have never gone. Lesson learned I suppose.
Another thing to point out, is they make your work in groups called "learning teams". Basically they throw you in with four or five other people, who may live 1000 miles from you or down the road and are expected to work together. Some people refuse to use anything but the class discussion boards. Apparently Skype or Yahoo Messenger is too complicated for these folks. ALL of the big projects you turn in have to be completed by this team. In the ever challenging Intro to Compys for Idiots course, only three out of the six people, myself included, participated in the group so we were stuck with all the work. In the next course, only two, me and another really cool lady, worked on stuff. The kicker is the whole team gets credit no matter what. I know they are trying to teach your teamwork and such, but never EVER have I had a group project at work were I went to someone else and said "Hey. This project blows. I am gonna eat some Doritos and browse Slashdot now. Fuck you." I am sure it happens, before someone says anything, but come on. Anyways just something else for folks to think about.
Although "University" of Phoenix has been around for a while, it doesn't make it any good. Let me tell you folks a little story and I'll try and keep it brief. I had a two year degree from a local business school in Computer Science. I had some nice networking courses and a couple programming courses already under my belt with my two year degree. Well I took off a couple years to work, cause I gots to pay the bills. Well summer 07 I decide I am going back to finish my Bachelors. I start looking into the "University" of Phoenix. I talk to the enrollment and placement counselors and they give me all this nice info on how it's more convenient and I will love it cause Computer Science majors love "U"oP. Having a weird schedule I decide that I really don't need classroom help. I'm going back for programming, that's all on the computer anyways right? Oh how very wrong I was. The first class that was required was.... How to Use the Internet. I shit you not. They said they had students sign up for their Bachelors, in Computer Science mind you, that weren't internet savvy enough to take classes. WTF????? I write it off as some sort of a pre-req and move one. The next course I take is....Intro to Computers. This I can understand because some people don't take any computer stuff til year 3, but I had a class called the same thing on my transcript that I got an A in. Again I am told it's not optional. At this point, I'm stating to get kinda tired of the class and am thinking about leaving. Next up....Intro to Business Systems. This had nothing to do with computers by the way, it was a class about how businesses run. Yeah..... that was what I want to pay for, business courses. I again protest and get the same tired, well you have to take it. They then tell me they don't let me ever choose what to take, they determine it. I wouldn't have taken an ACTUAL PROGRAMMING COURSE til I was almost done. There were only 5 "programming courses" in the curriculum. Intro to JAVA 1 and 2, 2 HTML courses and an SQL course. That was all. Nothing on C, VB, COBOL anything else. They didn't even like do a course where anything about any other language was mentioned. At that point I had blow about 5 grand for four classes so I left. That place was a fucking joke. I learned more this year doing blended courses at a brick and mortar school than I would of the whole time I would have at "University" of Phoenix. In any case folks, just dont go there. It isn't worth your money. Just my two cents.
If I had mod points, you would most definitely be modded up! You just hit he nail directly on the head about what the hell is wrong with my country.(not sure if you are from here or not, so not making an assumption) People got all happy and content when everyone was running up thousands of dollars in credit card debt on bullshit like big screen TV's and SUV's and getting mortgages they couldn't afford. Now that the bubble has burst, everyone wants to sit and bitch about it, but no one wants to take any action. I'm just as guilty as the next person myself so I guess I'm just as much a part of the problem as the other 2 billion lazy ass Americans. In any case nice point!!
I completely hear ya on that one!!! When I started school in 2002, the signed me up for a computer networking degree because they told me programming wasn't for girls. They said women had a better success rate as Network Administrators. Anyways I had to take it because it's all they offered at night and I couldn't quit my full time job. Anyways to your point, and mine for that matter, I went to school with this lady who's only reason for getting into computers AT ALL was because the school promised to find her a 40,00 USD per year job when she got her bachelors. She was ALWAYS begging me to do her programming and basically all of her homework. People like that were all over my school. I had this strong urge to create a virus and give it to one of them as their programming homework and see if they could ruin the school's computers. Never did though. Didn't feel like going to jail and all. The lady I went to school with now is a substitute teacher and hasn't worked in IT ever. So glad she got to go to school free and I had to pay.
I'm gonna echo what a couple other said that although it wasn't a big quake by some standards, it was big for us here in the silly, boring ol' Midwest. I live in Springfield, IL ( about 176 miles from the epicenter) but it shook my bed hard enough to wake me.
I think the reason that quakes in the Midwest are felt over a larger area is because of the geography of the region. I might be wrong in this but I heard it's because this portion of the earth is older and a bit less cracked than say, out in California. It is also a lot less rocky underground here so the "blast radius" so to speak is less broken up less as it travels father away. Also Illinois is basically just a giant corn field so nothing really to stop the flow so to speak like mountains or anything.
Sorry if us Midwesterners sound silly today but it was unique for us. Well it was unique for me.
I'm so gonna get made fun of for this, but I happen to be a Nascar fan, I know posting on/. and being a Nascar fan don't jive but I am, and I happen to own a Tony Stewart Home Depot jacket(Home Depot is Tony's sponsor for those non-Nascar fans out there). Whenever I go into Home Depot wearing that thing people ask me stuff, I'm always like hello do I look like I work here? I'm wearing khakis and three inch heels!!!
Symphony was so good for a 2-D game that I really never got into the 3-D ones at all. The first N64 was playable but that's about all. I think I was a bit spoiled by Alucard being such a bad ass and having such cool weapons. It's hard to play with a Belmont now. All they have is Vampire Killer the whip.:-( If they would do a 3-d Alucard Castlevania on the Wii, I would be the first in line at my local Game Stop to buy it.
They were really, really bad. I still love that little game though. I have to agree the music is always good. I always thought some of the BGM for the first one sounded like Bach's "Fugue". Maybe it was just me.
You claim to the love the darkness. Go then and dwell there for all eternity. Knowing these quotes mean simply I really need a life. What is a poor gamer girl to do though??
I think the music from the above mentioned PSone game was amazing. I think I must have played certain levels I didn't need to go through for the millionth time just so I could listen to the music. My favs are the Holy Chapel music, the Abandoned Mine music. Anyways just my two cents.
So my wording was off, but I knew they talked about positron's in Ghostbusters!!!!!
In the film Ghostbusters, Peter Venkman refers to his proton pack as a "positron collider" while he and his fellow teammates trap their first ghost since going into business. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron
I know it's only Wikipedia but still...
So besides ghost busting, what does this thing do? In all seriousness TFA says that is allows microscopes to see stuff at an atomic level. I thought there were already microscopes out there that did that???
if they can off those ass clowns that send out the spam about wanting you to be their monetary liaison here in the states. Although I have never actually opened one of those, our company gets a butt load of them so I have to waste time deleting them. Hell i'll pay for them to be offed.
Really? I'd contend that pasty female geeks with no fashion sense fit right in. The pastier and geekier the less resistance they experience.
Being a bit of a pasty female geek with little fashion sense, I fit in just right in my IT department. I also fit in just right with my geeky friends and my world works happily.
It's when I delve into that other world of trying to be a pretty girl that I seem to face more resistance. A couple of examples: I wanted to go out with a couple girlfriends one night and dress up a little. I put on makeup, wore trendy clothes and did something with my hair instead of having it up in a ponytail. That is when I got resistance from my geeky friends. I got comments like "What you trying to do? Hit on us?" Followed by uncontrollable geeky laughter or my female friends saying that they didn't like when I tried to dress nice cause it made them feel bad or it changes who I was. Same thing happens when I try to dress nicely for work. Same thing happens geek reject, female geeks offended. Since then I don't even try.
It seems a bit unfair that a girl can only be one or the other, and that is where I think some women feel intimated and decide IT is not for them. They can't act like a female and instead have to be that pasty female geek with no fashion sense and some women won't give up one for the other. I think this is no fault of geeks but like everyone has said, more of a comment on modern society and how we view one gender over the other. It's the whole you can't be a pretty female and be geeky at the same time. I'm sure all people don't think like that but many do and so forth and so on. I'm not gonna get on my soapbox about beauty and how the world views you but anyways that was my two cents as a female for what it's worth.
I think CNET is just drinking a little too much haterade as of late. They might also just be jealous cause Slashdot readers can actually understand big words and stuff. I love how they say that people that read here must look like the dude in the pic. For one I'm female and two my glasses aren't taped, well they aren't today. They are superglued. Thank you very much!!
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I can actually verify this one from personal experience. I was making 15 an hour for a company. They paid the temp company 35 an hour. I saw the invoices. That was with a company called teksystems. I did temp work also for the state of illinois. I did various admin stuff there. made like 11 an hour. They paid 20 an hour for me. So yeah the AC is actually correct. The temp shit is a racket for the temp companies.
I think something that would be interesting for you maybe to talk about, or have a speaker talk about, is social skills for people who are interested in CS as a career. I'm an extrovert so I don't have issues talking with users and colleagues, but so many people in CS do nowadays. I happen to have some modicum of IT skill, but I see lots of folks hired into IT nowadays that aren't really great at IT, but great with people. Especially user support fields. And before y'all say it, yes I know those aren't ideal, but we all gotta start somewhere right?
I would also think maybe have a couple speakers with some real world XP would be nice. Not just coders, but maybe a tech support person or a network admin. Perhaps someone in a field that is growing. I work in Healthcare Informatics and that is a booming field.
Just kind of look outside the box and I think you will get a large group than just your core that way.
Exceptional point my AC friend. I'm sure he was stupid enough to think he was doing something "leet" though. I would say to be "leet" enough to get a security company to look at you, you should probably hack something other than your former employer that you already had high level access too. I would have loved to screw over a couple places, but I had the foresight to know that hacking their shitty ERP system was gonna get me nowhere.
Hell even getting a job as a fry cook might be tough nowadays. Too many non cons needing jobs.
Couldn't agree more with you on this. I played a lot of Nintendo as a kid. Mostly Zelda and the Mario stuff. To be honest that is all I really ever played. Wasn't a really hard core gamer and I really didn't use a PC all that much. Then I hit my 20's an feel in love with software development. I still really don't use a PC that much when I get home, just be cause to be honest, I am tired of staring at a screen all day.
Being a girl( I swear I really am female!!!), I have some insight for you. My mom and best friend are very much the people that fit the stereotype. Both of them ADORE pink frilly stuff, love to shop, have a hardcore penchant for knickknacks and are generally very girly. Hell they even have "typically" female jobs, a cosmetologist and a nurse. I, on the other hand, think pink of any sort is hideous, prefer WoW to the Lifetime channel and work in IT. Doesn't mean I don't do girly things though. I love to shop for..... yes shoes. I think I have like 30 pairs. It's my little thing. All people have some piece of them that fit into some stereotype about them. In spite of that, I, and most women I know, don't want to be pandered to. It's a terrible idea. It this whole thing makes Dell look like they don't have a damn clue about modern women. Are some of us on diets, yup we are. Do some of us love shoes, yeah. I know I do :) Do some of us love the atrocity that is the color pink, sure. As another poster said, I am sure this has some appeal to some women, but not me. I'm not trying to say that I'm some super special person because of this either. Just saying it's a terrible fucking idea to to stereotype ALL people in a certain race, gender, sexual orientation and then try to sell them a product based on that. It would be like me setting up a website selling country music and only gear it towards Texans, you can put a multitude of other examples here but you get the point. I think I won't be buying from Dell anymore.
You bet I did. I explained my situation to the enrollment counselor that I had these computer courses and wouldn't need the basics. He told me no problem, they would waive them and I could take a computer elective. I looked at the courses and saw that they didn't have a huge programming class library, but there were some. Then when I got into the courses, they decided to make me take the bullshit. Talked to the enrollment counselor again and he said unfortunately some of the classes I wanted weren't being taught for one reason or another so I HAD to take the basics. He said also they would choose what they thought was "best" for me not me. If I would have known all the information they told me after I signed up, I would have never gone. Lesson learned I suppose.
Another thing to point out, is they make your work in groups called "learning teams". Basically they throw you in with four or five other people, who may live 1000 miles from you or down the road and are expected to work together. Some people refuse to use anything but the class discussion boards. Apparently Skype or Yahoo Messenger is too complicated for these folks. ALL of the big projects you turn in have to be completed by this team. In the ever challenging Intro to Compys for Idiots course, only three out of the six people, myself included, participated in the group so we were stuck with all the work. In the next course, only two, me and another really cool lady, worked on stuff. The kicker is the whole team gets credit no matter what. I know they are trying to teach your teamwork and such, but never EVER have I had a group project at work were I went to someone else and said "Hey. This project blows. I am gonna eat some Doritos and browse Slashdot now. Fuck you." I am sure it happens, before someone says anything, but come on. Anyways just something else for folks to think about.
Although "University" of Phoenix has been around for a while, it doesn't make it any good. Let me tell you folks a little story and I'll try and keep it brief. I had a two year degree from a local business school in Computer Science. I had some nice networking courses and a couple programming courses already under my belt with my two year degree. Well I took off a couple years to work, cause I gots to pay the bills. Well summer 07 I decide I am going back to finish my Bachelors. I start looking into the "University" of Phoenix. I talk to the enrollment and placement counselors and they give me all this nice info on how it's more convenient and I will love it cause Computer Science majors love "U"oP. Having a weird schedule I decide that I really don't need classroom help. I'm going back for programming, that's all on the computer anyways right? Oh how very wrong I was. The first class that was required was.... How to Use the Internet. I shit you not. They said they had students sign up for their Bachelors, in Computer Science mind you, that weren't internet savvy enough to take classes. WTF????? I write it off as some sort of a pre-req and move one. The next course I take is....Intro to Computers. This I can understand because some people don't take any computer stuff til year 3, but I had a class called the same thing on my transcript that I got an A in. Again I am told it's not optional. At this point, I'm stating to get kinda tired of the class and am thinking about leaving. Next up....Intro to Business Systems. This had nothing to do with computers by the way, it was a class about how businesses run. Yeah..... that was what I want to pay for, business courses. I again protest and get the same tired, well you have to take it. They then tell me they don't let me ever choose what to take, they determine it. I wouldn't have taken an ACTUAL PROGRAMMING COURSE til I was almost done. There were only 5 "programming courses" in the curriculum. Intro to JAVA 1 and 2, 2 HTML courses and an SQL course. That was all. Nothing on C, VB, COBOL anything else. They didn't even like do a course where anything about any other language was mentioned. At that point I had blow about 5 grand for four classes so I left. That place was a fucking joke. I learned more this year doing blended courses at a brick and mortar school than I would of the whole time I would have at "University" of Phoenix. In any case folks, just dont go there. It isn't worth your money. Just my two cents.
If I had mod points, you would most definitely be modded up! You just hit he nail directly on the head about what the hell is wrong with my country.(not sure if you are from here or not, so not making an assumption) People got all happy and content when everyone was running up thousands of dollars in credit card debt on bullshit like big screen TV's and SUV's and getting mortgages they couldn't afford. Now that the bubble has burst, everyone wants to sit and bitch about it, but no one wants to take any action. I'm just as guilty as the next person myself so I guess I'm just as much a part of the problem as the other 2 billion lazy ass Americans. In any case nice point!!
I completely hear ya on that one!!! When I started school in 2002, the signed me up for a computer networking degree because they told me programming wasn't for girls. They said women had a better success rate as Network Administrators. Anyways I had to take it because it's all they offered at night and I couldn't quit my full time job. Anyways to your point, and mine for that matter, I went to school with this lady who's only reason for getting into computers AT ALL was because the school promised to find her a 40,00 USD per year job when she got her bachelors. She was ALWAYS begging me to do her programming and basically all of her homework. People like that were all over my school. I had this strong urge to create a virus and give it to one of them as their programming homework and see if they could ruin the school's computers. Never did though. Didn't feel like going to jail and all. The lady I went to school with now is a substitute teacher and hasn't worked in IT ever. So glad she got to go to school free and I had to pay.
I'm gonna echo what a couple other said that although it wasn't a big quake by some standards, it was big for us here in the silly, boring ol' Midwest. I live in Springfield, IL ( about 176 miles from the epicenter) but it shook my bed hard enough to wake me. I think the reason that quakes in the Midwest are felt over a larger area is because of the geography of the region. I might be wrong in this but I heard it's because this portion of the earth is older and a bit less cracked than say, out in California. It is also a lot less rocky underground here so the "blast radius" so to speak is less broken up less as it travels father away. Also Illinois is basically just a giant corn field so nothing really to stop the flow so to speak like mountains or anything. Sorry if us Midwesterners sound silly today but it was unique for us. Well it was unique for me.
I'm so gonna get made fun of for this, but I happen to be a Nascar fan, I know posting on /. and being a Nascar fan don't jive but I am, and I happen to own a Tony Stewart Home Depot jacket(Home Depot is Tony's sponsor for those non-Nascar fans out there). Whenever I go into Home Depot wearing that thing people ask me stuff, I'm always like hello do I look like I work here? I'm wearing khakis and three inch heels!!!
Symphony was so good for a 2-D game that I really never got into the 3-D ones at all. The first N64 was playable but that's about all. I think I was a bit spoiled by Alucard being such a bad ass and having such cool weapons. It's hard to play with a Belmont now. All they have is Vampire Killer the whip. :-( If they would do a 3-d Alucard Castlevania on the Wii, I would be the first in line at my local Game Stop to buy it.
That was EXACTLY the one I was referring to! Thanks for looking out!
I did indeed my bad. That one is awesome as well.
Actually it's kinda sad but I have never played Lament of Innocence. I never had the motivation to buy a PS2. How sad is that?
They were really, really bad. I still love that little game though. I have to agree the music is always good. I always thought some of the BGM for the first one sounded like Bach's "Fugue". Maybe it was just me.
You claim to the love the darkness. Go then and dwell there for all eternity. Knowing these quotes mean simply I really need a life. What is a poor gamer girl to do though??
I think the music from the above mentioned PSone game was amazing. I think I must have played certain levels I didn't need to go through for the millionth time just so I could listen to the music. My favs are the Holy Chapel music, the Abandoned Mine music. Anyways just my two cents.
In the film Ghostbusters, Peter Venkman refers to his proton pack as a "positron collider" while he and his fellow teammates trap their first ghost since going into business.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron I know it's only Wikipedia but still...
Awesome!! Thanks for the info! I'd mod you up if I had points.
I almost swear at some point they talk about having a positron glider. Maybe I was smoking crack here, but I'm fairly certain it was. Anyways...
So besides ghost busting, what does this thing do? In all seriousness TFA says that is allows microscopes to see stuff at an atomic level. I thought there were already microscopes out there that did that???
if they can off those ass clowns that send out the spam about wanting you to be their monetary liaison here in the states. Although I have never actually opened one of those, our company gets a butt load of them so I have to waste time deleting them. Hell i'll pay for them to be offed.
GO RUSSIAN MOB!!
Being a bit of a pasty female geek with little fashion sense, I fit in just right in my IT department. I also fit in just right with my geeky friends and my world works happily.
It's when I delve into that other world of trying to be a pretty girl that I seem to face more resistance. A couple of examples: I wanted to go out with a couple girlfriends one night and dress up a little. I put on makeup, wore trendy clothes and did something with my hair instead of having it up in a ponytail. That is when I got resistance from my geeky friends. I got comments like "What you trying to do? Hit on us?" Followed by uncontrollable geeky laughter or my female friends saying that they didn't like when I tried to dress nice cause it made them feel bad or it changes who I was. Same thing happens when I try to dress nicely for work. Same thing happens geek reject, female geeks offended. Since then I don't even try.
It seems a bit unfair that a girl can only be one or the other, and that is where I think some women feel intimated and decide IT is not for them. They can't act like a female and instead have to be that pasty female geek with no fashion sense and some women won't give up one for the other. I think this is no fault of geeks but like everyone has said, more of a comment on modern society and how we view one gender over the other. It's the whole you can't be a pretty female and be geeky at the same time. I'm sure all people don't think like that but many do and so forth and so on. I'm not gonna get on my soapbox about beauty and how the world views you but anyways that was my two cents as a female for what it's worth.
I think CNET is just drinking a little too much haterade as of late. They might also just be jealous cause Slashdot readers can actually understand big words and stuff. I love how they say that people that read here must look like the dude in the pic. For one I'm female and two my glasses aren't taped, well they aren't today. They are superglued. Thank you very much!!