Did *you* read the article - my question was not answered in it - its says that the exact approach is doomed to failure, but then what approach was it? A fixed robustness approach or an adaptive approach? The difference between the two is the difference between human learning and standard AI technique (i.e. nothing new).
The key thing is how robust they are against changes in environment when preforming the learned tricks. If they continue to learn from different environmental conditions when they preform the tricks then I would say they are learning - but if they are just replaying the same run as the expert, with some unchanging, fixed level of robustness then they are not really learning.
If I might intercede in this flamefest to say that (I'm Australian), I think the wikipedia article is wrong - it may have started out that way but Bogan these days refers to a lifestyle rather than to a economic class.
No its not, they are the easiest to scam - you just have to make the scam appeal to a different aspect. i.e. solicit donations to non-existent charities, say one of their relatives owes money etc.
That's an area I would also stress: when I buy a game legit, I would like to get the manual as well as a proper cd case for it. I make an exception for the bargain bin games which one expects this sort of thing - but I'm talking about games that you pay $40+ for which don't have anything else but a cd-rom in a paper sleeve.
P.S. Electronic copies of the manual on the cd is not a ok compromise.
I can't speak for the OP, but my interpretation was that people who are more likely to find DRM annoying are those who have to circumvent it - rather than for people who brought the game legit.
While DRM does cause issues in legit copies sometimes, the "anti DRM" group would be over-represented by the former rather than the latter.
When you say Cracked copies have no drm - what you mean is they have no drm because it was disabled, which importantly needs to be updated for each patch, causing more inconvenience for the pirate then for the legit owner. (I'm speaking here out of experience on both sides)
I have to agree - I really hate a game or software I brought, require some other control software being installed. Especially if it requires an internet connection to work.
Another thing he failed to take into account is that people rationalise their "evil" choices to make it sound righteous. So people tell themselves and others its because of DRM or its because of the price or whatnot when in reality its just that they don't want to fork over money for it.
Now I know there are some cases where this really is the case but my point is that its bound to be overrepresented. Psychological studies take this into account when using self-reporting on behaviour as a source of data.
My other point is while, it might turn some people off, DRM also forces some people to buy the game, when they would have pirated it if they could (this is often more the case with indie games where there is not enough interest to develop a crack, than with major games) and this needs to be taken into consideration when making a decision.
Finally not all DRM is the same - a balance between security and ease of use might perhaps be best rather than a binary decision.
I wonder if you have considered the possibility that perhaps people got the joke but thought it wasn't very funny and hence modded overrated? To get 5, Funny - it actually has to be funny.
The original poster was meaning Australia. I hope that eventually we get something out of Antarctica, coz all its doing now is stealing all our rain. *Shakes fist*
I don't see how that logic works. If you have four species, like some birds which occupy different parts of the globe and can reproduce with only their neighbours but not with the ones on the other side of the world, then how do you decide which are the 'species' and which are the 'intermediate species that have not disappeared'?
It seems your definition is just a waiting game for one of the two to die off so you can wipe the problem under the rug!
Another interesting problem is defining species in bacteria which don't produce sexually - currently its done by major function of the bacteria (i.e. if the bacteria feeds on one type of food and in the next generation switches to another it becomes a new species).
Any definition of life doesn't make everyone happy because life is subjective. Life exists on a scale where at one end we all agree its not alive, and on the other we all agree it is alive - however just drawing a line somewhere in between and saying from here on in its 'alive' is pointless.
The same issue occurs when trying to define where one species stops and another starts in animals.
Actually its quite easy - random variation on reproduction combined with limited resources so only the best survive. i.e. evolution.
And any good software engineer knows about Genetic Algorithms (+ GP, EA) which use this to become better at solving a particular problem. So we have achieved that - the only frontier left is moving this into the physical world, which hasn't happened as there is no good reason to do so! (why build something that takes a long time to become useful when you can do a good enough job from the start).
Instead of being unsure at how much money you will lose at each sitting, with this you will lose a constant, easy to manage rate - payable on a weekly or monthly basis!
You'll find that not everyone had that kind of teenage childhood - and those that didn't push for these sorts of things sometimes if only to justify to themselves that their life was the correct way to live, and why they didn't have fun when they could have.
After all the most vocal supporters of female circumcision are older women whom themselves have been circumscribed - and I will never forget seeing that anti women's rights rally in the middle east which was led by women.
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Did *you* read the article - my question was not answered in it - its says that the exact approach is doomed to failure, but then what approach was it? A fixed robustness approach or an adaptive approach? The difference between the two is the difference between human learning and standard AI technique (i.e. nothing new).
The key thing is how robust they are against changes in environment when preforming the learned tricks. If they continue to learn from different environmental conditions when they preform the tricks then I would say they are learning - but if they are just replaying the same run as the expert, with some unchanging, fixed level of robustness then they are not really learning.
Maybe they were duck hunting at the time?
RTFA, its a phone banking password - as this is done via a operator, they are going to know the password anyway so its displayed to them.
You forgot the part where the lady accuses the scientist of being arrogant and intolerant...
If I might intercede in this flamefest to say that (I'm Australian), I think the wikipedia article is wrong - it may have started out that way but Bogan these days refers to a lifestyle rather than to a economic class.
A fool and his money are soon parted...
No its not, they are the easiest to scam - you just have to make the scam appeal to a different aspect. i.e. solicit donations to non-existent charities, say one of their relatives owes money etc.
That's an area I would also stress: when I buy a game legit, I would like to get the manual as well as a proper cd case for it. I make an exception for the bargain bin games which one expects this sort of thing - but I'm talking about games that you pay $40+ for which don't have anything else but a cd-rom in a paper sleeve.
P.S. Electronic copies of the manual on the cd is not a ok compromise.
I can't speak for the OP, but my interpretation was that people who are more likely to find DRM annoying are those who have to circumvent it - rather than for people who brought the game legit.
While DRM does cause issues in legit copies sometimes, the "anti DRM" group would be over-represented by the former rather than the latter.
When you say Cracked copies have no drm - what you mean is they have no drm because it was disabled, which importantly needs to be updated for each patch, causing more inconvenience for the pirate then for the legit owner. (I'm speaking here out of experience on both sides)
I have to agree - I really hate a game or software I brought, require some other control software being installed. Especially if it requires an internet connection to work.
Another thing he failed to take into account is that people rationalise their "evil" choices to make it sound righteous. So people tell themselves and others its because of DRM or its because of the price or whatnot when in reality its just that they don't want to fork over money for it.
Now I know there are some cases where this really is the case but my point is that its bound to be overrepresented. Psychological studies take this into account when using self-reporting on behaviour as a source of data.
My other point is while, it might turn some people off, DRM also forces some people to buy the game, when they would have pirated it if they could (this is often more the case with indie games where there is not enough interest to develop a crack, than with major games) and this needs to be taken into consideration when making a decision.
Finally not all DRM is the same - a balance between security and ease of use might perhaps be best rather than a binary decision.
Welcome to Saudi Arabia!
Don't you keep files on everyone you meet?
*Slowly closes the door to the file cabinet room*
I wonder if you have considered the possibility that perhaps people got the joke but thought it wasn't very funny and hence modded overrated? To get 5, Funny - it actually has to be funny.
The original poster was meaning Australia. I hope that eventually we get something out of Antarctica, coz all its doing now is stealing all our rain. *Shakes fist*
I don't see how that logic works. If you have four species, like some birds which occupy different parts of the globe and can reproduce with only their neighbours but not with the ones on the other side of the world, then how do you decide which are the 'species' and which are the 'intermediate species that have not disappeared'?
It seems your definition is just a waiting game for one of the two to die off so you can wipe the problem under the rug!
Another interesting problem is defining species in bacteria which don't produce sexually - currently its done by major function of the bacteria (i.e. if the bacteria feeds on one type of food and in the next generation switches to another it becomes a new species).
Any definition of life doesn't make everyone happy because life is subjective. Life exists on a scale where at one end we all agree its not alive, and on the other we all agree it is alive - however just drawing a line somewhere in between and saying from here on in its 'alive' is pointless.
The same issue occurs when trying to define where one species stops and another starts in animals.
Actually its quite easy - random variation on reproduction combined with limited resources so only the best survive. i.e. evolution.
And any good software engineer knows about Genetic Algorithms (+ GP, EA) which use this to become better at solving a particular problem. So we have achieved that - the only frontier left is moving this into the physical world, which hasn't happened as there is no good reason to do so! (why build something that takes a long time to become useful when you can do a good enough job from the start).
Hmm... this gives me an idea: Gambling insurance.
Instead of being unsure at how much money you will lose at each sitting, with this you will lose a constant, easy to manage rate - payable on a weekly or monthly basis!
It would have been more witty to say "and instead of massive loss of life there'd be a massive loss of file"
Well porting the game is not exactly innovation - and licensing is always an option.
Not to mention eating mushrooms....
Which in turn caused high rates of suicide :)
You'll find that not everyone had that kind of teenage childhood - and those that didn't push for these sorts of things sometimes if only to justify to themselves that their life was the correct way to live, and why they didn't have fun when they could have.
After all the most vocal supporters of female circumcision are older women whom themselves have been circumscribed - and I will never forget seeing that anti women's rights rally in the middle east which was led by women.