With all due respect, I understand what you've said. When I employed the term 'politics' I was using it in the broadest possible sense, over the many years I've been using Linux.
I don't care about any of the bickering that goes on, until it becomes public and makes an ass out of all involved. I understand how humans operate, and how the sausage is made.
But kindly don't be telling me to "get over it". FL/OSS is about a lot more than just basing one's decisions on technical merit alone. There's trying to have an understand of trends and reliability and this kind of bullshit is really not useful.
... I don't want anything more to do with Canonical, or Ubuntu, or Mint, or any of that lot. I'm sticking with Debian. I'm sure it has its problems and all, but at least the politics seem to remain mostly internal. These public pissing matches between distros just seem so counter-productive. But since I've been using Linux (1998), it seems to be a constant. Ego issues? I don't know. I don't particularly care. It's just so boring and off-putting.
Time is NOT arbitrary. Noon should be close to when the Sun is on the meridian. I don't have time [sic] to read the 350 comments on this article, but I hope someone made the point. We have already yielded so much up to "commerce". NOT time. Fuck commerce. The economy exists to serve human wants and needs. Humans do not exist to serve the economy. This article is absurd and disgusting.
I guess one of my points is that I don't believe there is a "we, the FOSS community". I used to think so, but now there seems to be nothing but a swarm of multiple contingents jockeying for position to further their project, and dumping on the other projects. I suppose it was ever thus, really. In any case, it guarantees that FOSS goes nowhere.
Discouraged, yes. Though I just installed the latest Ubuntu and this stuff was opt-in, so perhaps the cries were heard. My point is that to award this distinction to Ubuntu in the face of all the crap going down on the Internet is simply absurd, extremely small potatoes, and smacks of sour grapes and/or piling on, which is the norm for the FOSS press.
What's popular isn't always "right" (who decides that?), but we really might maintain a sense of proportion. In over 15 years of observing the FOSS world, it really seems that if you start to get any traction in the wider world, the "community" (as if there were a "community") seems to want to smack it down. For all the talk of world domination and so on and so forth, the "community" seems on some visceral level to want to remain marginal, They are getting their wish.
Ubuntu was threatening to be successful in the wider market. Therefore, it must be taken down at any cost! Once again, the FOSS "community" (gack!) eats its young.
This sort of nonsense is why Linux "market share" will never get anywhwere.
That is a good question. In the US, most coffemakers are graduated such that a cup is 6 US ounces (an official cup being 8 ounces). I drink 2 good-sized mugs of coffee every morning, which is about 4 coffeemaker cups, so about 3 official cups.
But I am over 55, so I have nothing to worry about.:-)
Let's just face it, here in Linux Land, if any distro achieves a measure of success, we just hate it! It is as night follows day.
The majority of the hate-posts here betray a deep lack of knowledge of what's going on with Ubuntu. All they know is that it's cool to hate Ubuntu, good for your geek cred.
This is nothing new with Ubuntu - it's been true since the dawn of Linux and distros. I'm not sure why it is, but it's appears to be some basic human social-driven flaw.
Ubuntu has done a helluva lot for Linux, and people who don't understand that haven't been using Linux for very long. They claim to want Linux to "succeed", but as soon as it begins to, they pile on. Because it's not exactly what THEY want. It's pathetic, disgusting, and discouraging.
China has been growing in economic and military influence, and seems to want to be taken seriously. If that is the case, this is their moment. They could put an end to this nonsense in a minute. They need to understand that it would be in their own national interest to smack this puppy on the snout, fast and sharp. If they just let it fester, and it leads to armed conflict, they will lose face.
There are just so many ways that this can go wrong...
I live in a very small town in NH. I went in to the Meeting House to vote around 10:00. I waited zero time to vote. Jim at the checking-in list said "hi Steve" as I walked in, checked me off the list, and handed me a ballot. I went into the cheesy aluminum booth with vinyl curtain, made my X-es with a number 2 pencil, came out and handed my ballot to John, who, as he has every year for the past 20 years I've lived here, solemnly placed it through the slot into the old oaken box. Godz only know how long that old oaken box has been in use! On my way out, I had a fresh-baked cookie and chatted with some of my fellow citizens before leaving.
Everything isn't perfect about small town life, and it's not for everyone. But it works for me...
I think KDE sucks. There, I said it. It is a baroque mess of overcomplication. Maybe Linux enjoys twiddling knobs and such, but enough is enough. What does he care anyway? He's probably just firing up a bunch of terms.
XFCE is way overrated - I don't understand all the fanboi-ism around it. Ditto "Mate" and "Cinnamon". Gnome is OK, getting better. After the 3.0 upheaval, they are adding back in the tweakability that we all know and love.
Every few months, the KDE krew very loudly proklaims how eksellent KDE is in its newest release, so I try it out. I feel like I need to take a shower afterwards. I will agree that Gnome removed some desirable config options, but KDE seems to revel in complexity for its own sake. Yuck.
Gnome is not on its way out. KDE and XFCE are not 'clearly' the sensible way to go "these days". Gnome doesn't treat its users like rubbish. You are merely repeating what you have heard somewhere, and projecting your own preferences. If the only UI left on Linux was KDE, I'd switch to Windows or Mac.
I was in highschool in the late 60's, early 70's. Computers were something that IBM had. One thought of HAL, as in "2001". My oldest brother worked for DARPA - my first exposure to computers was logging on to some mainframe somewhere using his TI Silent 700 terminal (printed everything out on thermal paper), using Tenex (I'll never forget the manual, titled 'The Joy of Tenex'). Yes, a 300 bps acoustic coupler got the job done. But I could play Adventure on some computer in Stanford or San Diego, or wherever the heck it was. I also learned to program in C. Those were the days?
Right. Because there is such a great incentive for the ".com guys" to be out there. Right, it's gonna look like Vegas.
No one is going out there except for the ".gov guys", because there is no immediate profit motive. Once the.gov guys have got it figured out (at public expense), the.com guys will go out there and extract the profit (for themselves). This is called "private enterprise". T'was ever thus. It's a big joke.
Holy shit. Listen to what you're saying. An American citizen can't buy an iPad because some employee is trying to cover his ass? Apple could face massive fines? Well, they should face them and take the damn thing to court. We're talking about an American Citizen buying a freakin' iPad. This is not nuclear secrets, people.
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With all due respect, I understand what you've said. When I employed the term 'politics' I was using it in the broadest possible sense, over the many years I've been using Linux.
I don't care about any of the bickering that goes on, until it becomes public and makes an ass out of all involved. I understand how humans operate, and how the sausage is made.
But kindly don't be telling me to "get over it". FL/OSS is about a lot more than just basing one's decisions on technical merit alone. There's trying to have an understand of trends and reliability and this kind of bullshit is really not useful.
... I don't want anything more to do with Canonical, or Ubuntu, or Mint, or any of that lot. I'm sticking with Debian. I'm sure it has its problems and all, but at least the politics seem to remain mostly internal. These public pissing matches between distros just seem so counter-productive. But since I've been using Linux (1998), it seems to be a constant. Ego issues? I don't know. I don't particularly care. It's just so boring and off-putting.
Time is NOT arbitrary. Noon should be close to when the Sun is on the meridian. I don't have time [sic] to read the 350 comments on this article, but I hope someone made the point. We have already yielded so much up to "commerce". NOT time. Fuck commerce. The economy exists to serve human wants and needs. Humans do not exist to serve the economy. This article is absurd and disgusting.
I guess one of my points is that I don't believe there is a "we, the FOSS community". I used to think so, but now there seems to be nothing but a swarm of multiple contingents jockeying for position to further their project, and dumping on the other projects. I suppose it was ever thus, really. In any case, it guarantees that FOSS goes nowhere.
Discouraged, yes. Though I just installed the latest Ubuntu and this stuff was opt-in, so perhaps the cries were heard. My point is that to award this distinction to Ubuntu in the face of all the crap going down on the Internet is simply absurd, extremely small potatoes, and smacks of sour grapes and/or piling on, which is the norm for the FOSS press.
What's popular isn't always "right" (who decides that?), but we really might maintain a sense of proportion. In over 15 years of observing the FOSS world, it really seems that if you start to get any traction in the wider world, the "community" (as if there were a "community") seems to want to smack it down. For all the talk of world domination and so on and so forth, the "community" seems on some visceral level to want to remain marginal, They are getting their wish.
You don't understand...
Ubuntu was threatening to be successful in the wider market. Therefore, it must be taken down at any cost! Once again, the FOSS "community" (gack!) eats its young.
This sort of nonsense is why Linux "market share" will never get anywhwere.
That is a good question. In the US, most coffemakers are graduated such that a cup is 6 US ounces (an official cup being 8 ounces). I drink 2 good-sized mugs of coffee every morning, which is about 4 coffeemaker cups, so about 3 official cups.
But I am over 55, so I have nothing to worry about. :-)
Thank the godz I'm over 55!
Fucking savages.
There, someone had to say it.
How utterly pathetic.
Let's just face it, here in Linux Land, if any distro achieves a measure of success, we just hate it! It is as night follows day.
The majority of the hate-posts here betray a deep lack of knowledge of what's going on with Ubuntu. All they know is that it's cool to hate Ubuntu, good for your geek cred.
This is nothing new with Ubuntu - it's been true since the dawn of Linux and distros. I'm not sure why it is, but it's appears to be some basic human social-driven flaw.
Ubuntu has done a helluva lot for Linux, and people who don't understand that haven't been using Linux for very long. They claim to want Linux to "succeed", but as soon as it begins to, they pile on. Because it's not exactly what THEY want. It's pathetic, disgusting, and discouraging.
I would hope that driving with this thing would be prohibited at its release.
China has been growing in economic and military influence, and seems to want to be taken seriously. If that is the case, this is their moment. They could put an end to this nonsense in a minute. They need to understand that it would be in their own national interest to smack this puppy on the snout, fast and sharp. If they just let it fester, and it leads to armed conflict, they will lose face.
There are just so many ways that this can go wrong...
Right, move to Mint, a parasite of Ubuntu.
Just use Ubuntu with a different UI - I use and like Gnome Shell, but there's XFCE, KDE, etc., etc.
Because Mint just re-badges Ubuntu, throws in a few extensions, and calls it "Mint".
Parasites.
You have issues with some aspects of Ubuntu, so you use Mint which simply parasitizes off of Ubuntu.
I live in a very small town in NH. I went in to the Meeting House to vote around 10:00. I waited zero time to vote. Jim at the checking-in list said "hi Steve" as I walked in, checked me off the list, and handed me a ballot. I went into the cheesy aluminum booth with vinyl curtain, made my X-es with a number 2 pencil, came out and handed my ballot to John, who, as he has every year for the past 20 years I've lived here, solemnly placed it through the slot into the old oaken box. Godz only know how long that old oaken box has been in use! On my way out, I had a fresh-baked cookie and chatted with some of my fellow citizens before leaving.
Everything isn't perfect about small town life, and it's not for everyone. But it works for me...
I think KDE sucks. There, I said it. It is a baroque mess of overcomplication. Maybe Linux enjoys twiddling knobs and such, but enough is enough. What does he care anyway? He's probably just firing up a bunch of terms.
XFCE is way overrated - I don't understand all the fanboi-ism around it. Ditto "Mate" and "Cinnamon". Gnome is OK, getting better. After the 3.0 upheaval, they are adding back in the tweakability that we all know and love.
Every few months, the KDE krew very loudly proklaims how eksellent KDE is in its newest release, so I try it out. I feel like I need to take a shower afterwards. I will agree that Gnome removed some desirable config options, but KDE seems to revel in complexity for its own sake. Yuck.
Gnome is not on its way out. KDE and XFCE are not 'clearly' the sensible way to go "these days". Gnome doesn't treat its users like rubbish. You are merely repeating what you have heard somewhere, and projecting your own preferences. If the only UI left on Linux was KDE, I'd switch to Windows or Mac.
I was in highschool in the late 60's, early 70's. Computers were something that IBM had. One thought of HAL, as in "2001". My oldest brother worked for DARPA - my first exposure to computers was logging on to some mainframe somewhere using his TI Silent 700 terminal (printed everything out on thermal paper), using Tenex (I'll never forget the manual, titled 'The Joy of Tenex'). Yes, a 300 bps acoustic coupler got the job done. But I could play Adventure on some computer in Stanford or San Diego, or wherever the heck it was. I also learned to program in C. Those were the days?
There once was a man from Lahore,
whose limericks stopped at line four.
When asked why this was,
he said just because
What kind of idiots are on Facebook anyway?
There once was a man from Lahore
Whose limericks stopped at line four.
When asked why this was,
He said, "just because".
Right. Because there is such a great incentive for the ".com guys" to be out there. Right, it's gonna look like Vegas.
No one is going out there except for the ".gov guys", because there is no immediate profit motive. Once the .gov guys have got it figured out (at public expense), the .com guys will go out there and extract the profit (for themselves). This is called "private enterprise". T'was ever thus. It's a big joke.
This story, and the hyper-patriotic responses from many Slashdotters, sickens me. I guess the terrorists won.
The girl should be looked at by DHS? For a fucking iPad? You have got to be kddiing me. Fascist much?
It's getting so that I can't even recognize America any more.
Holy shit. Listen to what you're saying. An American citizen can't buy an iPad because some employee is trying to cover his ass? Apple could face massive fines? Well, they should face them and take the damn thing to court. We're talking about an American Citizen buying a freakin' iPad. This is not nuclear secrets, people.