You have all been manipulated. Trump doesn't even have to say anything, you're all doing this conversation totally unprompted. It's like word association: Jobs... Trump! Playing right into his hands. Trump is truly a 3D chess master. Watching the media come apart at the seams, watching the Democrats crash and burn, and seeing the Republicans defy all odds and win the presidency... These are amazing times we live in and it seems like the Left is to thank for much of it.
Who says they are a long term solution? I will say though that they are THE solution for the rest of my and my children's lifetimes. There is a reason they are so popular....
I seriously doubt it. Renewables have come down in price and are in many markets already the cheapest energy sources. The EIA anticipates that solar will become by far THE CHEAPEST energy source in 10-20 years.
Don't worry, you'll soon be protected by Trump so you can buy American solar panels. Just don't complain if they're twice as heavy and half as efficient (automotive sector I'm looking at you.)
Are you an idiot? American companies make the highest efficiency solar panels in the world. That's a fact. They're more expensive, but that's changing. Look up the efficiency of sunpower's solar and then check out the efficiency of any chinese manufacturer. I'll wait.
Trump seems very talented at getting his name into headlines about decisions that have nothing to do with him
Except for the part in the article where Ford's CEO is quoted as saying: "We're encouraged by the pro-growth policies of President Trump," Fields said when announcing the investment shift from Mexico to the Flat Rock facility. Earlier in the day, the CEO told CNN he views the investment as a "vote of confidence" in the president-elect.
I have read the linked article and article in WSJ and WashPost
OK, so did you miss that part, ignore it, or what?
I think you've been drinking too much Ayn Rand Coolaid.
As people are freed from jobs that are highly repetitive, there are always more complex, less repetitive jobs out there because the consumer is always looking for the next big thing to improve their lives/increase their free time/reduce their work load.
And everyone has both the talent and the initial capital to create that next big thing?
I see this argument for every story about AI/UBI. You think that millions of people can aspire to nothing more than flipping burgers? I disagree.
Entire multi billion dollar industries have been created after the introduction of the ATM and will continue to be created.
Why does it matter if a dozen people made all of those billions?
Because hopefully they'll go out and spend money.
If we get to a point where there are 10x more job seekers than jobs, then we can revisit the issue, but right now there are about 5.5 million job openings in the US...
And there are 7.4 million unemployed people, and that's not counting people who want full-time employment but only found part-time work.
Tricky, you deleted the part of the GP that pointed out a flaw in your argument. Let me put it back for you: "If we get to a point where there are 10x more job seekers than jobs, then we can revisit the issue, but right now there are about 5.5 million job openings in the US and there would probably be 4x that if the government wasn't actively chasing businesses to Asia.
The Obama economy was of his own making after the first 2 years due to the ACA and excessive regulation, and, like the Carter economy, it will be unleashed with the next administration.
People aren't working assembly line or fast food jobs because they love the work...they're doing it because it's the only thing they're capable of.
The level of condescension in your post is pretty sickening. Did you ever consider that some people are stuck in menial jobs not because they're incapable of doing anything else, but rather because it's the only job they could find? No, you didn't. I'm sick of all these UBI discussions revolving around the premise that most people are capable of nothing more than pouring coffee and cleaning the floors. How smug and superior you are.
The left would love if some form of UBI was passed, buying votes with unsustainable entitlements. Just write off all those idiots who are incapable of doing anything but flipping burgers and give them some pittance so that you can feel morally superior.
What comes next? You basically get to dangle entitlements like a carrot to get people to vote for your candidates?
In the book Freakanomics they described the results of a daycare that tried putting a fee on being late to pick up kids. It turned out by adding the fee they took away the shame and embarrassment that parents felt for arriving late. The number of parents turning up late increased because people would rather pay a few dollars than feel shame.
First of all, whoever hacked into the DNC and leaked the emails did much to improve the transparency of the DNC and brought into light some serious questions about how they are conducting themselves. It's a shame that the truth is disgusting they had to hide it. Second, It's electoral college vote not popular vote which determines the presidency. Hillary's lead comes from California, a state which is highly liberal and so Republicans votes matter very little. If it had been a popular vote, perhaps more Republicans in liberal areas would have turned out. We'll never know. Third, I am not a Republican and never claimed to be. I supported Dr. Marc Allen Feldman until his unfortunate death during the primary. Fourth, the public turned on Hillary because they dislike her at a personal level, they don't believe in the Liberal agenda, and are rightly fearful of political dynasties. Agree or not, we all must abide by the people's decision. Finally, I'm definitely not a Trump supporter or a Hillary supporter, I don't identify as R or D, I'm one of the growing number of people who disliked both parties and both candidates. I wrote in the name of my deceased Libertarian candidate as a protest. Still, there is little evidence to support the idea that the US will be a puppet state, you are spreading FUD plain and simple. You're trying to generate FUD about the legitimacy of this election because you are unhappy with the result. I know you've been brainwashed by the Democrats (or Green or whatever you are) but believe me, the hype is overblown every year. That's how they brainwash you, is by spreading FUD about the other candidates. Don't listen to it. Was Obama as bad as the Republicans said he'd be? NO! Was Bush as bad as the Democrats said he'd be? NO! It's never as bad as the opposition says it will be, that's just how they get support, by spreading FUD. Stop being a tool and spreading their FUD. Get your own opinions and quit parroting the bullshit you read in online political echo chambers.
Maybe that was the plan all along. They sat on this information so they could bury it if their candidate won and bring it to light if their candidate lost so as to throw the legitimacy of the vote into question.
...say a carbon tax designed to recoup the many trillions of dollars that will need to be spent on adaptation to fossil-fuel-caused climate change and on compensation of whole climate-displaced populations and farmers, fishers etc and reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed in climate-change-induced wars... (such as Syria, Sudan,...)
then wind and solar would already be far cheaper than fossil-fuel energy.
We don't have such a tax or tax ramp plan, since the people who control the oil resource have most of the money,
and thus have most of the politicians,
and have most of the voters who are subject to the messages in paid marketing and disinformation.
I'd be completely in favor of a carbon tax, except for the fact that the government would NEVER do the productive things you are talking about even if the corrupting influence of oil money wasn't a factor. They'd probably blow it all on some war somewhere (in the name of "peace" of course) and have nothing to show for it except maybe some additional excuses to erode our rights and civil liberties a little more.
And those subsidies are? I keep hearing about them, but all I ever get is some handwaving and "tax breaks" which are available to ALL companies, not just energy companies...
You mean besides the oil wars in the middle east that have cost trillions of dollars and caused the deaths of millions?
Besides the CO2 that's increasing Earth's greenhouse effect?
Besides the environmental damage (mining, oil spills, contaminated water supplies, fracking chemicals getting everywhere, etc) that never seems to get cleaned up?
Yeah, because besides all of those externalized costs, there are subsidies totaling around $30 billion per year! https://www.eia.gov/analysis/r...
Is that enough? Can we stop denying that fossil fuels are subsidized now? I'm tired of hearing this argument. Do some research instead of parroting that tired myth FFS.
Aha, the mandatory/. Thorium comment! It seems like a late time to be suggesting alternatives, because we already have renewable energies that don't require radioactive materials, actually exist, and are nearly at parity with fossil fuels. I hate to be the one to tell you, but the people have spoken and solar/wind is the future, not nuclear.
The U.S. needs to shut up about how China's solar industry is unfair. If you don't like it, buy from American companies like SunPower and First Solar. Seriously sick of all the whining.
5. Immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties. All immigration laws will be enforced – we will triple the number of ICE agents. Anyone who enters the U.S. illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country.
Obama got carried away. DACA and DAPA were/are a bad call. A lawyer should have know better.
I can't wait until Americans get a shot at the 18 million jobs that those 5 million jobs illegals will leave behind.
I just can't wait to see Joe Plumber in the fields at 4 am picking cabbage for $3/hour, then off to hang drywall or put on roofs in 110 degree heat for $4.50/hr. Let's make American heart attacks great again!
All kidding aside, do you have any idea of the kinds of jobs that illegals hold, what they get paid and their working conditions? They are basically hostages working for sub-minimal wages under daily threat of deportation from employers.
I can't understand your position on this. Are you saying it's better to keep illegal aliens working for sub-standard wages because Americans won't? Because I think it's pretty horrifying that you're OK with that. We have laws regarding immigration not just to protect Americans, the rules are also there to protect immigrants from exactly the sort of abuses you're talking about. We can't simply ignore immigration law because it's inconvenient and/or we like cheap food. People entering the country need to be doing so through proper legal channels.
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That "buffoon" is your president. Say what you will, becoming president is not easy. But by all means, sink deeper into your denial.
You have all been manipulated. Trump doesn't even have to say anything, you're all doing this conversation totally unprompted. It's like word association: Jobs... Trump! Playing right into his hands. Trump is truly a 3D chess master. Watching the media come apart at the seams, watching the Democrats crash and burn, and seeing the Republicans defy all odds and win the presidency... These are amazing times we live in and it seems like the Left is to thank for much of it.
Or if there was a gate scandal, which itself became a scandal. Gategategate.
If the creation of 500 or 1000 robot jobs leads to a factory being built which employs 100 people, how is that a bad thing?
Big deal, slap some solar panels on the roof to power the A/C. Problem solved.
What's to stop them from putting a 4G antenna or something like that inside?
Who says they are a long term solution? I will say though that they are THE solution for the rest of my and my children's lifetimes. There is a reason they are so popular....
I seriously doubt it. Renewables have come down in price and are in many markets already the cheapest energy sources. The EIA anticipates that solar will become by far THE CHEAPEST energy source in 10-20 years.
Don't worry, you'll soon be protected by Trump so you can buy American solar panels. Just don't complain if they're twice as heavy and half as efficient (automotive sector I'm looking at you.)
Are you an idiot? American companies make the highest efficiency solar panels in the world. That's a fact. They're more expensive, but that's changing. Look up the efficiency of sunpower's solar and then check out the efficiency of any chinese manufacturer. I'll wait.
Fossil fuels are not a long-term energy solution. Maybe you'd understand a graph better? http://image.slidesharecdn.com...
Trump seems very talented at getting his name into headlines about decisions that have nothing to do with him
Except for the part in the article where Ford's CEO is quoted as saying: "We're encouraged by the pro-growth policies of President Trump," Fields said when announcing the investment shift from Mexico to the Flat Rock facility. Earlier in the day, the CEO told CNN he views the investment as a "vote of confidence" in the president-elect.
I have read the linked article and article in WSJ and WashPost
OK, so did you miss that part, ignore it, or what?
I think you've been drinking too much Ayn Rand Coolaid.
As people are freed from jobs that are highly repetitive, there are always more complex, less repetitive jobs out there because the consumer is always looking for the next big thing to improve their lives/increase their free time/reduce their work load.
And everyone has both the talent and the initial capital to create that next big thing?
I see this argument for every story about AI/UBI. You think that millions of people can aspire to nothing more than flipping burgers? I disagree.
Entire multi billion dollar industries have been created after the introduction of the ATM and will continue to be created.
Why does it matter if a dozen people made all of those billions?
Because hopefully they'll go out and spend money.
If we get to a point where there are 10x more job seekers than jobs, then we can revisit the issue, but right now there are about 5.5 million job openings in the US...
And there are 7.4 million unemployed people, and that's not counting people who want full-time employment but only found part-time work.
Tricky, you deleted the part of the GP that pointed out a flaw in your argument. Let me put it back for you: "If we get to a point where there are 10x more job seekers than jobs, then we can revisit the issue, but right now there are about 5.5 million job openings in the US and there would probably be 4x that if the government wasn't actively chasing businesses to Asia.
The Obama economy was of his own making after the first 2 years due to the ACA and excessive regulation, and, like the Carter economy, it will be unleashed with the next administration.
Yeah and Bush did a real great job...
Not sure what point you're trying to make here.
Since nobody else is saying it, contratulations 7-11!! I, for one, welcome our convenient new overlords!
I've never be able to buy anything that can be called food at 7/11. So I don't believe it.
Dude!! Shut up. Nachos Rule! Huhuh. Huhuhuhuhuhuh. Huhu.
People aren't working assembly line or fast food jobs because they love the work...they're doing it because it's the only thing they're capable of.
The level of condescension in your post is pretty sickening. Did you ever consider that some people are stuck in menial jobs not because they're incapable of doing anything else, but rather because it's the only job they could find? No, you didn't. I'm sick of all these UBI discussions revolving around the premise that most people are capable of nothing more than pouring coffee and cleaning the floors. How smug and superior you are.
The left would love if some form of UBI was passed, buying votes with unsustainable entitlements. Just write off all those idiots who are incapable of doing anything but flipping burgers and give them some pittance so that you can feel morally superior.
What comes next? You basically get to dangle entitlements like a carrot to get people to vote for your candidates?
Who, pray tell?
In the book Freakanomics they described the results of a daycare that tried putting a fee on being late to pick up kids. It turned out by adding the fee they took away the shame and embarrassment that parents felt for arriving late. The number of parents turning up late increased because people would rather pay a few dollars than feel shame.
First of all, whoever hacked into the DNC and leaked the emails did much to improve the transparency of the DNC and brought into light some serious questions about how they are conducting themselves. It's a shame that the truth is disgusting they had to hide it. Second, It's electoral college vote not popular vote which determines the presidency. Hillary's lead comes from California, a state which is highly liberal and so Republicans votes matter very little. If it had been a popular vote, perhaps more Republicans in liberal areas would have turned out. We'll never know. Third, I am not a Republican and never claimed to be. I supported Dr. Marc Allen Feldman until his unfortunate death during the primary. Fourth, the public turned on Hillary because they dislike her at a personal level, they don't believe in the Liberal agenda, and are rightly fearful of political dynasties. Agree or not, we all must abide by the people's decision. Finally, I'm definitely not a Trump supporter or a Hillary supporter, I don't identify as R or D, I'm one of the growing number of people who disliked both parties and both candidates. I wrote in the name of my deceased Libertarian candidate as a protest. Still, there is little evidence to support the idea that the US will be a puppet state, you are spreading FUD plain and simple. You're trying to generate FUD about the legitimacy of this election because you are unhappy with the result. I know you've been brainwashed by the Democrats (or Green or whatever you are) but believe me, the hype is overblown every year. That's how they brainwash you, is by spreading FUD about the other candidates. Don't listen to it. Was Obama as bad as the Republicans said he'd be? NO! Was Bush as bad as the Democrats said he'd be? NO! It's never as bad as the opposition says it will be, that's just how they get support, by spreading FUD. Stop being a tool and spreading their FUD. Get your own opinions and quit parroting the bullshit you read in online political echo chambers.
Better yet, their competing companies can just offer unlimited data plans. That's the direction we're headed anyway.
You mean actually foster competitive markets and let consumers choose? That's crazy, it'll never work!
Maybe that was the plan all along. They sat on this information so they could bury it if their candidate won and bring it to light if their candidate lost so as to throw the legitimacy of the vote into question.
...say a carbon tax designed to recoup the many trillions of dollars that will need to be spent on adaptation to fossil-fuel-caused climate change and on compensation of whole climate-displaced populations and farmers, fishers etc and reconstruction of infrastructure destroyed in climate-change-induced wars... (such as Syria, Sudan,...)
then wind and solar would already be far cheaper than fossil-fuel energy.
We don't have such a tax or tax ramp plan, since the people who control the oil resource have most of the money, and thus have most of the politicians, and have most of the voters who are subject to the messages in paid marketing and disinformation.
I'd be completely in favor of a carbon tax, except for the fact that the government would NEVER do the productive things you are talking about even if the corrupting influence of oil money wasn't a factor. They'd probably blow it all on some war somewhere (in the name of "peace" of course) and have nothing to show for it except maybe some additional excuses to erode our rights and civil liberties a little more.
And those subsidies are? I keep hearing about them, but all I ever get is some handwaving and "tax breaks" which are available to ALL companies, not just energy companies...
You mean besides the oil wars in the middle east that have cost trillions of dollars and caused the deaths of millions?
Besides the CO2 that's increasing Earth's greenhouse effect?
Besides the environmental damage (mining, oil spills, contaminated water supplies, fracking chemicals getting everywhere, etc) that never seems to get cleaned up?
Yeah, because besides all of those externalized costs, there are subsidies totaling around $30 billion per year! https://www.eia.gov/analysis/r...
Is that enough? Can we stop denying that fossil fuels are subsidized now? I'm tired of hearing this argument. Do some research instead of parroting that tired myth FFS.
Aha, the mandatory /. Thorium comment! It seems like a late time to be suggesting alternatives, because we already have renewable energies that don't require radioactive materials, actually exist, and are nearly at parity with fossil fuels. I hate to be the one to tell you, but the people have spoken and solar/wind is the future, not nuclear.
Whats funny to me is the jackasses that think solar and wind power are a partisan political issue, because they aren't.
To politicians, EVERYTHING is partisan!
The U.S. needs to shut up about how China's solar industry is unfair. If you don't like it, buy from American companies like SunPower and First Solar. Seriously sick of all the whining.
5. Immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties. All immigration laws will be enforced – we will triple the number of ICE agents. Anyone who enters the U.S. illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country.
Obama got carried away. DACA and DAPA were/are a bad call. A lawyer should have know better. I can't wait until Americans get a shot at the 18 million jobs that those 5 million jobs illegals will leave behind. I just can't wait to see Joe Plumber in the fields at 4 am picking cabbage for $3/hour, then off to hang drywall or put on roofs in 110 degree heat for $4.50/hr. Let's make American heart attacks great again! All kidding aside, do you have any idea of the kinds of jobs that illegals hold, what they get paid and their working conditions? They are basically hostages working for sub-minimal wages under daily threat of deportation from employers.
I can't understand your position on this. Are you saying it's better to keep illegal aliens working for sub-standard wages because Americans won't? Because I think it's pretty horrifying that you're OK with that. We have laws regarding immigration not just to protect Americans, the rules are also there to protect immigrants from exactly the sort of abuses you're talking about. We can't simply ignore immigration law because it's inconvenient and/or we like cheap food. People entering the country need to be doing so through proper legal channels.