Can't you just get the box to reject all packets from their subnet if their IP has more than 100 invalid account attempts in under an hour?
True, ou can set your server to do that. But, spammers would just start bouncing things thru open relays or SOCKS proxies. It would slow them down, but it would not stop them.
Okay, so they made a smart move. Well, I would do it too if I'm an ISP. I'll give you access to port 25 outside my core if you want, but you put down a deposit and promise not to spam.
Some ISPs will allow you to use third party SMTP servers after you have been with them for a few months.
Now what does this have to do with blocking non-MS POP3? I thought we just solved the spam problem.
It has nothing to do with the non-MS POP3. I have no idea as to why the/. editors added that in there.
You are correct in the fact aht MSN is port blocking. But it does not stop spam. Spammers can still sent their spam via MSN's mail servers. But, since spammers perfer to be anonymous they will use a different ISP's dial-ups so they can use anonymous open relays.
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MSN's anti-spam filters force you to use their SMTP servers and blocks any outbound port 25 traffic. This does not 'stop spam' but it forces spammers to use MSN's mail servers and not the anonymous open relays that they prefer. Since spammers need to be as anonymous as possible, they have (for the most part) left MSN's dial-ups.
For spammers, Hotmail is a big target. Spammers will used dictionary attacks against Hotmail's MX servers in an attempt to discover what accounts have been registered. Some spammers even go as far as trying everything from 'aaaaaaaa@example.com' to 'zzzzzzzz@example.com' in their attempts go get your address. There are things that can be done to slow down the rate at which spammers can do these attacks, but nothing will stop them. (Well, death would stop them, but no one has suggested that, yet.)
These blocks are based on port numbers. Set your mail server to listen to any other port (as long as it is not port 25) and the mail can go thru. It is a pain, but if you are stuck w/MSN and need to use your companies server, it will work.
I think the military already has a method of getting the internet to the front lines. I would guess that they only need text, so it does not need to have high bandwidth. Turning an AWACS into a flying router would be kinda cool, if any thing for the tech support calls that would come in:
Pvt. Luser: I can't get on the internet, sir.
Sgt Leet: The AWACS Router is down.
PL: Down, sir?
SL: Well, shot down. It took a SAM and is currently burning in a heap.
I had my answering machine set up like that when I was in college. As an added bonus, friends calling me from a pay phone often times got their quarter back.
That is how much it weighs on Earth. They need to keep these things light because the more weight you have to lift the more fuel you need. It may not seem like much, but it all does add up.
BS. You are no hacker. You are just some kid who figured out how to install redhat on an old PC and grabbed some leet hacker files. You should re-read my comment. Most people, like you, who run around shouting, "I am a hacker. I am 'leet!", are not.
What is so special about software (and their licenses), that allows it to avoid the protections consumers enjoy from more tangible products?
You can make a copy of it, that is why.
There are more true hackers around then you know about. Regardless, us *hackers* whether we are white, black, or greyhat's are all around and you would never know...unless you
asked us.
On another point, a hacker writes their own tools, script kiddies use the tools we have written.
Come to Defcon sometime, and you'll see how many "true" hackers are around. But that's only the ones that can make it. Otherwise you can always try the 2600 meetings.
A hacker is what others call you, not what you call yourself. Most people I've met that have claimed to be an eleet hacker have not been. Sure they can install hedhat and grab a copy of 'land.c', but that is the limit of their skillz. By your definition of a hacker, you will find that, at best, 5% of 'hackers' aren't. I have been to Defcon; you can fit all the true hackers in attendance in a hotel suite.
I don't mean to downplay the significance of this event, but in reality it will be cheaper to fly the doctor to the patient, no matter how remote the area, than to lay (or probably even use) fiber, for a long, long time.
True. But then a doctor could only do 2-3 operations a week, if you consider travel time, jet lag, and all that. But, with this a doctor could operate on some one in South Carolina on Monday, Germany on Tuesday, and Vietnam on Wendsday.
I thought the whole point behind going to a specific doctor for a procedure was that he's far more knowledgeable about it than anyone nearby. Removing a gall bladder isn't exactly cutting-edge medicine.
Seeing how this is the first time this kind of thing has been done, I think that is why they chose a simple operation. Removing a gall bladder is easy and rarely fatal.
But I would never go for this. Part of the advantage of having such a capable physician is that if anything goes wrong, he can take care of it. The robot arms restrict his options and make it more difficult to work in an emergency.
There are other surgeons in the room in case something did go wrong. It is not as if they just stuck the woman in a machine and then went out for coffee.
Not only that, but this involves a reliable high-speed connection. The only time this technology would be truly useful is if you were in the middle of nowhere and needed an operation. But if you're in the middle of nowhere, you'll never be able to get a reliable high-speed connection!
There are highly specialized surgeons that are not available in every country, even in technologicly advanced ones. Once all the bugs are worked out, which might be decades from now, these surgeons will be available to anyone. Also, with any luck, high speed connections will be much more commonplace, even in remote areas.
Nope, just plain old war. War is war, violence is violence. No matter if you are Jewish, christian, muslem, or athiest (or any other religion I haven't mentioned), it sucks.
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Can't you just get the box to reject all packets from their subnet if their IP has more than 100 invalid account attempts in under an hour?
True, ou can set your server to do that. But, spammers would just start bouncing things thru open relays or SOCKS proxies. It would slow them down, but it would not stop them.
Some ISPs will allow you to use third party SMTP servers after you have been with them for a few months.
Now what does this have to do with blocking non-MS POP3? I thought we just solved the spam problem.
It has nothing to do with the non-MS POP3. I have no idea as to why the
You are correct in the fact aht MSN is port blocking. But it does not stop spam. Spammers can still sent their spam via MSN's mail servers. But, since spammers perfer to be anonymous they will use a different ISP's dial-ups so they can use anonymous open relays.
MSN's anti-spam filters force you to use their SMTP servers and blocks any outbound port 25 traffic. This does not 'stop spam' but it forces spammers to use MSN's mail servers and not the anonymous open relays that they prefer. Since spammers need to be as anonymous as possible, they have (for the most part) left MSN's dial-ups.
For spammers, Hotmail is a big target. Spammers will used dictionary attacks against Hotmail's MX servers in an attempt to discover what accounts have been registered. Some spammers even go as far as trying everything from 'aaaaaaaa@example.com' to 'zzzzzzzz@example.com' in their attempts go get your address. There are things that can be done to slow down the rate at which spammers can do these attacks, but nothing will stop them. (Well, death would stop them, but no one has suggested that, yet.)
These blocks are based on port numbers. Set your mail server to listen to any other port (as long as it is not port 25) and the mail can go thru. It is a pain, but if you are stuck w/MSN and need to use your companies server, it will work.
Pvt. Luser: I can't get on the internet, sir.
Sgt Leet: The AWACS Router is down.
PL: Down, sir?
SL: Well, shot down. It took a SAM and is currently burning in a heap.
There still need to be landlines for those cell phones to use, if memory serves me right.
I had my answering machine set up like that when I was in college. As an added bonus, friends calling me from a pay phone often times got their quarter back.
I remember those. they looked kinda cool; but, you still had to ask, "Why?"
I understand what the posters point was. :) But, no one cares what it weighs in space; at least not as much as they care about what it weighs on Earth.
That is how much it weighs on Earth. They need to keep these things light because the more weight you have to lift the more fuel you need. It may not seem like much, but it all does add up.
BS. You are no hacker. You are just some kid who figured out how to install redhat on an old PC and grabbed some leet hacker files. You should re-read my comment. Most people, like you, who run around shouting, "I am a hacker. I am 'leet!", are not.
What is so special about software (and their licenses), that allows it to avoid the protections consumers enjoy from more tangible products?
You can make a copy of it, that is why.
asked us.
On another point, a hacker writes their own tools, script kiddies use the tools we have written.
Come to Defcon sometime, and you'll see how many "true" hackers are around. But that's only the ones that can make it. Otherwise you can always try the 2600 meetings.
A hacker is what others call you, not what you call yourself. Most people I've met that have claimed to be an eleet hacker have not been. Sure they can install hedhat and grab a copy of 'land.c', but that is the limit of their skillz. By your definition of a hacker, you will find that, at best, 5% of 'hackers' aren't. I have been to Defcon; you can fit all the true hackers in attendance in a hotel suite.
niggers are easier to make fun of cause they act funny.
I doubt anyone here uses it anyway.
I don't mean to downplay the significance of this event, but in reality it will be cheaper to fly the doctor to the patient, no matter how remote the area, than to lay (or probably even use) fiber, for a long, long time.
True. But then a doctor could only do 2-3 operations a week, if you consider travel time, jet lag, and all that. But, with this a doctor could operate on some one in South Carolina on Monday, Germany on Tuesday, and Vietnam on Wendsday.
Seeing how this is the first time this kind of thing has been done, I think that is why they chose a simple operation. Removing a gall bladder is easy and rarely fatal.
But I would never go for this. Part of the advantage of having such a capable physician is that if anything goes wrong, he can take care of it. The robot arms restrict his options and make it more difficult to work in an emergency.
There are other surgeons in the room in case something did go wrong. It is not as if they just stuck the woman in a machine and then went out for coffee.
Not only that, but this involves a reliable high-speed connection. The only time this technology would be truly useful is if you were in the middle of nowhere and needed an operation. But if you're in the middle of nowhere, you'll never be able to get a reliable high-speed connection!
There are highly specialized surgeons that are not available in every country, even in technologicly advanced ones. Once all the bugs are worked out, which might be decades from now, these surgeons will be available to anyone. Also, with any luck, high speed connections will be much more commonplace, even in remote areas.
Just modify the version of Doom that allows you to kill processes and you can do both.
Do it and the terrorists will kill themselves.
...which would mean that all OSS programs are automatically outlawed.
Possibly. I think it would be damn near impossible to prevent people from getting OSS crypto, not that they wouldn't try to stop it anyway
Plus, with OSS based crypto, you can just edit the backdoor out.
Nope, just plain old war. War is war, violence is violence. No matter if you are Jewish, christian, muslem, or athiest (or any other religion I haven't mentioned), it sucks.
Would you prefer that Microsoft didn't do anything? we need to work together on this. Your crying on /. isn't helping at all.