I'd say a large amount of IT staff exhibit personality disorders. Not just 'hackers'.
Isn't that quite a self-fulfilling prophecy? In fact, I'll be going back to college in a year or two for a different career because I'm sick of being labeled as a computer dork. For example, the attitude that I must be so much smarter than everyone else because I know *gasp* computers is simply withering. Brick walls are no fun.
I've found that I've had to socially withdraw from my co-workers simply because they don't want me to be around now that I'm a *gasp* computer person. I got along just fine with my co-workers when I was a line worker. All that changed was my job function and all of a sudden I was ostracised. So, I'm pretty certain it's not just me.
(I could probably write a book on how I went from being a resource to the other line workers to being "too technical" and "on a different level" etc.)
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Why is it a big pain to get the PM stuff working right?
It wasn't for me. Linux got about a half hour more battery life than windows. Then I started tweaking things and I managed about twice as much life (4 hours in linux vs. 2 in windows).
I expect to get similar results simply by avoid ATI hardware in the future, even if that means moving away from AMD. That's fine, though, since I want a netbook.
Its very simple. If you fail an academic school year, you are "left behind". Your friends move on, and your are clumped in with people whom you are unfamiliar with, who KNOW you failed, and will treat you accordingly. I dont think I have to go into great detail at the extreme psychological trauma a student suffers when they are "kept back".
She also has a code of ethics, belongs to a serious professional organization, and has a body of law that restricts what she may or may not do and an oversight organization over the top of all of that.
This.
...is the reason I'm getting out of IT. I've worked with some good, honest people, and I try to do my best (a lot of people seem to think I'm really good for some reason, maybe because my understanding of how programs work is more than just buzzwords and "Wow! This new tech is so cool and shiny! No one's ever done this before!"), but there are just too many chuckleheads in the field. Take Amtelco's Intelligent Series for example...
Personally I like the German school system. If you goof off, you go to a different school than the studious ones. That seemed to create an overall way better atmosphere in the Gymnasium I "tagged along" to on a short exchange trip back in high school. Not to mention that the environment was far less authoritarian because, guess what, the students in Gymnasium wanted to be there and the ones who didn't want to be there weren't. They were over in the Realschule (or already in the workforce [or welfare aristocracy as it may be but nowhere's perfect]).
If the student isn't being disruptive (e.g. ringtones and bleeps and such, not the teaching being disruptive by pointing out something only she notices), can't we just hold the student back when they fail the class?
Absolutely. I don't suppose anyone has considered a simple fact: men tend to have more drive than women. It's a biological difference which makes us more likely to request higher wages.
I'm not sure if I'd agree that it's biological, but I could be wrong. The rest of your post is spot-on.
I'll offer this, though: I've lived as both genders. As a woman I can get a date with just about any guy I want (in a town where most women are over 200 lbs, it's not too difficult). I've never dated as a man even though I find chicks more attractive than guys on average. I simply don't make enough, and I don't care to try to do the trailer trash baby mama drama roller coaster to get in a chick's pants without being "successful." It could be that making less than about $40k simply makes for a lonely life as a guy.
Otoh, I may have just proven your point, since as a woman, I don't have the drive to get the better job I'd need to date another woman without being a "lesbian" (they don't let people like me into that club, their loss). For example, I'll be going back to college in a year or two not for a pay increase but to try to open up some doors to more interesting careers than hand-holding lusers. As long as I'm making ends meet (including retirement goals), I'd rather have a job that I like than more pay, and I tend to be more satisfied with a frugal lifestyle anyway. (Your things tend to own you, etc. ymmv)
And a business does have a right to investigate whether their employees are doing something that is detrimental to their ability to work.
If an employee is doing something detrimental to their ability to work, would it be kind of self-evident? Oh crap, I forgot, we can't actually evaluate performance because that would be mean and too technical and the only reason we go to work is to be one big happy lovey family. *sigh*
sometimes choose not to vote simply because I no longer make much of a distinction between the two parties
There were 5 political parties represented on my ballot last November. I voted mostly Libertarian, although I went Green once or twice. That was in Michigan, but I guess only in my country are people so backwards that throwing away your vote means actually voting, but not for the popular two parties. Apparently not voting isn't throwing your vote away.
I wonder who keeps track of all these people who don't vote (I know quite a few people like you!) and what kind of critera they have for saying, "Well, looks like enough people aren't voting, we're just going to have to change things." I've never heard of such a thing, but all you non-voters must know something I don't about how the political process in a democracy works.
Uh, this is sorta pathetic that we computer science literate folk cannot muster up the courage to tell him to confront the policy with a student protest.
Who's going to join his protest? These computers are all too technical anyway. As long as I got my PowerPoint and can post my life to FaceBook, why do I care about all this technical stuff? Aren't you guys just concerned about a lot of nothing? What I don't know can't hurt me, after all. I'm going to be partying all week anyway. I don't have time in my busy schedule to concern myself over hypothetical threats when I've got a chick in my convertible daddy bought me.
Artists don't believe they're entitled to be paid until death + 70 years. They believe they and their children ought to be paid if their work continues to be valued.
If it isn't valued, then are entitle to nothing and they get nothing.
But if it is valued, then why can't those that value it give something back in return?
So if I want to perform this little piece should I pay Haydn's estate? In 300 years will our children be able to freely perform and share our music the way I can Mussorgsky or Vivaldi or any of the other pre-RIAA artists I enjoy and value? The way things are going it doesn't seem so.
If I create a popular composition should my descendants in 300 years each get a check for a penny every time someone wants to play it? Copyright has no business lasting longer than the average life expectancy: anything more just leads to absurdity. It may even not be a bad idea to limit it to 20 years, maybe 50 at most.
Disclaimer: Most of the music I like was made before 1980.
Disclaimer for the disclaimer: I actually prefer to purchase quality CDs and create my own FLAC rips rather than bittorrent everything.
Disclaimer for the disclaimer for the disclaimer: I wouldn't have found interesting things like ELP's Pictures at an Exhibition (which I bought two weeks ago) if not for bittorrents/Gnutella/Napster/etc, and ELP's "remix" may not even exist if there were a Mussorgsky Estate. Who knows whether the original Pictures at an Exhibition would have just gone down in obscurity if our current copyright laws existed in 1874. YMMV
What don't you like about sheepdogs? Are they intimidating to you?
You, sir, fail.
And I have some damned good reasons for being afraid of your vigilante mindset.
People like you with your oversimplified thinking are the reason I have to carry mace while jogging. I'm not worried about some hooligan. I'm worried about people like you mistaking me for one of the bad guys because I'm not your ideal of these "sheep" you're protecting.
After all, people like you feel you need to use violence to protect your precious "sheep,"
and you see "wolves" everywhere you look.
Oversimplified and disturbingly childish thinking.
Why not go focus on the real evil out there?
Oh, sorry, that's too much like real work when you can go on witch hunts instead.
Oh, sorry again, wolf hunts or somesuch.
I keep forgetting I need to simplify my language around people like you.
With an email address, everybody knows that the local-part (before the @) is arbitrary and the domain corresponds, of course, to a domain. Using the local-part as an organizational identifier, except in flaky ad-hoc setups for small sub organizations(student_club@school.edu style), just isn't done.
I know you're right, but try telling that to all my clients who have email addresses @yahoo.com or @gmail.com instead of @their.domain.
Apparently this is a common thing for people to do, registering a domain then having their email with a free provider.
I live in a smallish metro area of around 100,000 people. While I can pretty much get anywhere I want on the bus, it involves:
A 45 minute hike to the nearest stop
Except for the busiest routes, there's only 1 bus per hour
Wasting 30 minutes at a transfer point because the buses drivers don't give a shit about making a transfer connection (that's a planned 30 minutes, as opposed to an unplanned 55 minutes if you go by the schedule, miss the next bus by 5 minutes, then need to wait for it to complete its 1 hour circuit)
If you decide you want to go anywhere after about 7 or 8, you're SOL because the last buses leave the station at 9
Better take the bus before the one you actually need if you have an appointment. You never know if the driver is going to be 15 minutes ahead of schedule (even if he isn't, there's a chance that he won't "see" you if you're not black)
And, no, you don't get any reading or work done when you're riding because if you don't get on at the station, you're standing
What's even worse is that it's females who are demanding it. Just think of the children! An exposed female breast could traumatize a small child, especially when they're under the age of 2!
[Open Source] Cons
1. No warranty
2. Programs are often buggy or incomplete
3. Some projects are run by arrogant BOFH/RTFM types.
4. May require administrator training, in the form of self-study or tutorial videos on youtube, or time spent on messageboards.
Interestingly, those are some of the exact same reasons why I dislike proprietary software.
Mod parent up. I'm currently dealing with a software package at work for which my company has purchased a support and field service contract. It still suffers from #2, #3, and #4, especially if you throw end-user training into #4 while you're at it (just because it costs $$$ doesn't you can just plunk people down in front of it).
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I'd say a large amount of IT staff exhibit personality disorders. Not just 'hackers'.
Isn't that quite a self-fulfilling prophecy? In fact, I'll be going back to college in a year or two for a different career because I'm sick of being labeled as a computer dork. For example, the attitude that I must be so much smarter than everyone else because I know *gasp* computers is simply withering. Brick walls are no fun.
I've found that I've had to socially withdraw from my co-workers simply because they don't want me to be around now that I'm a *gasp* computer person. I got along just fine with my co-workers when I was a line worker. All that changed was my job function and all of a sudden I was ostracised. So, I'm pretty certain it's not just me.
(I could probably write a book on how I went from being a resource to the other line workers to being "too technical" and "on a different level" etc.)
Haha, fuck you bitch.
That is all. Thank you.
Do you really think you'd be going out for pizza and beer with that person?
Maybe if it was shemale porn.
But seriously, you've never been a hair away from being fired due to drama? You've never been framed? Never had your stuff sabotaged?
Why is it a big pain to get the PM stuff working right?
It wasn't for me. Linux got about a half hour more battery life than windows. Then I started tweaking things and I managed about twice as much life (4 hours in linux vs. 2 in windows).
I expect to get similar results simply by avoid ATI hardware in the future, even if that means moving away from AMD. That's fine, though, since I want a netbook.
This is great. As a male to female transsexual, I must say it's absolutely great to see a genetic girl get clocked. Hahahaha. Good luck folks.
Its very simple. If you fail an academic school year, you are "left behind". Your friends move on, and your are clumped in with people whom you are unfamiliar with, who KNOW you failed, and will treat you accordingly. I dont think I have to go into great detail at the extreme psychological trauma a student suffers when they are "kept back".
It would be nice if this happened more often.
She also has a code of ethics, belongs to a serious professional organization, and has a body of law that restricts what she may or may not do and an oversight organization over the top of all of that.
This.
Personally I like the German school system. If you goof off, you go to a different school than the studious ones. That seemed to create an overall way better atmosphere in the Gymnasium I "tagged along" to on a short exchange trip back in high school. Not to mention that the environment was far less authoritarian because, guess what, the students in Gymnasium wanted to be there and the ones who didn't want to be there weren't. They were over in the Realschule (or already in the workforce [or welfare aristocracy as it may be but nowhere's perfect]).
If the student isn't being disruptive (e.g. ringtones and bleeps and such, not the teaching being disruptive by pointing out something only she notices), can't we just hold the student back when they fail the class?
And if they don't fail the class?...
how it affects their childs chances
Thank you for using the verb affect correctly! I've been seeing effect's verb form in its place so often lately at first I thought I'd read a typo!
Absolutely. I don't suppose anyone has considered a simple fact: men tend to have more drive than women. It's a biological difference which makes us more likely to request higher wages.
I'm not sure if I'd agree that it's biological, but I could be wrong. The rest of your post is spot-on.
I'll offer this, though: I've lived as both genders. As a woman I can get a date with just about any guy I want (in a town where most women are over 200 lbs, it's not too difficult). I've never dated as a man even though I find chicks more attractive than guys on average. I simply don't make enough, and I don't care to try to do the trailer trash baby mama drama roller coaster to get in a chick's pants without being "successful." It could be that making less than about $40k simply makes for a lonely life as a guy.
Otoh, I may have just proven your point, since as a woman, I don't have the drive to get the better job I'd need to date another woman without being a "lesbian" (they don't let people like me into that club, their loss). For example, I'll be going back to college in a year or two not for a pay increase but to try to open up some doors to more interesting careers than hand-holding lusers. As long as I'm making ends meet (including retirement goals), I'd rather have a job that I like than more pay, and I tend to be more satisfied with a frugal lifestyle anyway. (Your things tend to own you, etc. ymmv)
And a business does have a right to investigate whether their employees are doing something that is detrimental to their ability to work.
If an employee is doing something detrimental to their ability to work, would it be kind of self-evident? Oh crap, I forgot, we can't actually evaluate performance because that would be mean and too technical and the only reason we go to work is to be one big happy lovey family. *sigh*
I need to get out of this country. </rant>
abuse != use
sometimes choose not to vote simply because I no longer make much of a distinction between the two parties
There were 5 political parties represented on my ballot last November. I voted mostly Libertarian, although I went Green once or twice. That was in Michigan, but I guess only in my country are people so backwards that throwing away your vote means actually voting, but not for the popular two parties. Apparently not voting isn't throwing your vote away.
I wonder who keeps track of all these people who don't vote (I know quite a few people like you!) and what kind of critera they have for saying, "Well, looks like enough people aren't voting, we're just going to have to change things." I've never heard of such a thing, but all you non-voters must know something I don't about how the political process in a democracy works.
Uh, this is sorta pathetic that we computer science literate folk cannot muster up the courage to tell him to confront the policy with a student protest.
Who's going to join his protest? These computers are all too technical anyway. As long as I got my PowerPoint and can post my life to FaceBook, why do I care about all this technical stuff? Aren't you guys just concerned about a lot of nothing? What I don't know can't hurt me, after all. I'm going to be partying all week anyway. I don't have time in my busy schedule to concern myself over hypothetical threats when I've got a chick in my convertible daddy bought me.
<CARRIER LOST>
You're doing it wr*^%$#NO CARRIER
Tell me - do these Christians torture you to make you see their way?
Yes.
Artists don't believe they're entitled to be paid until death + 70 years. They believe they and their children ought to be paid if their work continues to be valued.
If it isn't valued, then are entitle to nothing and they get nothing.
But if it is valued, then why can't those that value it give something back in return?
So if I want to perform this little piece should I pay Haydn's estate? In 300 years will our children be able to freely perform and share our music the way I can Mussorgsky or Vivaldi or any of the other pre-RIAA artists I enjoy and value? The way things are going it doesn't seem so.
If I create a popular composition should my descendants in 300 years each get a check for a penny every time someone wants to play it? Copyright has no business lasting longer than the average life expectancy: anything more just leads to absurdity. It may even not be a bad idea to limit it to 20 years, maybe 50 at most.
Disclaimer: Most of the music I like was made before 1980.
Disclaimer for the disclaimer: I actually prefer to purchase quality CDs and create my own FLAC rips rather than bittorrent everything.
Disclaimer for the disclaimer for the disclaimer: I wouldn't have found interesting things like ELP's Pictures at an Exhibition (which I bought two weeks ago) if not for bittorrents/Gnutella/Napster/etc, and ELP's "remix" may not even exist if there were a Mussorgsky Estate. Who knows whether the original Pictures at an Exhibition would have just gone down in obscurity if our current copyright laws existed in 1874. YMMV
No, fax is obsolete because it's a stupid technology. Scan it to PDF and email it.
Won't someone think of the hospital IT departments that are too incompetent to set up email encryption with their answering serive!
What don't you like about sheepdogs? Are they intimidating to you?
You, sir, fail. And I have some damned good reasons for being afraid of your vigilante mindset.
People like you with your oversimplified thinking are the reason I have to carry mace while jogging. I'm not worried about some hooligan. I'm worried about people like you mistaking me for one of the bad guys because I'm not your ideal of these "sheep" you're protecting. After all, people like you feel you need to use violence to protect your precious "sheep," and you see "wolves" everywhere you look.
Oversimplified and disturbingly childish thinking. Why not go focus on the real evil out there? Oh, sorry, that's too much like real work when you can go on witch hunts instead. Oh, sorry again, wolf hunts or somesuch. I keep forgetting I need to simplify my language around people like you.
With an email address, everybody knows that the local-part (before the @) is arbitrary and the domain corresponds, of course, to a domain. Using the local-part as an organizational identifier, except in flaky ad-hoc setups for small sub organizations(student_club@school.edu style), just isn't done.
I know you're right, but try telling that to all my clients who have email addresses @yahoo.com or @gmail.com instead of @their.domain. Apparently this is a common thing for people to do, registering a domain then having their email with a free provider.
Is this not the case outside the E/W coasts?
I live in a smallish metro area of around 100,000 people. While I can pretty much get anywhere I want on the bus, it involves:
I hate how incredibly sexist the filtering is.
What's even worse is that it's females who are demanding it. Just think of the children! An exposed female breast could traumatize a small child, especially when they're under the age of 2!
Seriously.
[Open Source] Cons 1. No warranty 2. Programs are often buggy or incomplete 3. Some projects are run by arrogant BOFH/RTFM types. 4. May require administrator training, in the form of self-study or tutorial videos on youtube, or time spent on messageboards.
Interestingly, those are some of the exact same reasons why I dislike proprietary software.
Mod parent up. I'm currently dealing with a software package at work for which my company has purchased a support and field service contract. It still suffers from #2, #3, and #4, especially if you throw end-user training into #4 while you're at it (just because it costs $$$ doesn't you can just plunk people down in front of it).
So you feel that women deserve to be raped and mugged if they make poor decisions?
If I make poor decisions that I know will likely have certain consequences, do I deserve those consequences?