The government NEEDS to ensure that the taxpayers investment remains free. The BSD would allow a nasty company like MS to come along after the development is all done and then "embrace and extend" the work thus making it incompatible with the old version.
More FSF FUD. If the government releases code under BSD IT IS FREE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE FREE. So what if MS embraces and extends the code. The original code is STILL FREE and anyone can pick it up and develop it into a competing product.
Then using their monopoly, they can force feed this application/technology to the people who originally paid for it, causing them to pay twice, and MS would get all this will little investment.
Stop and think for a second. People wouldn't be paying twice, they would be paying ONCE, for the additional work that MS did.
Original code: A
MS code: B
MS product: M
A + B = M
If you pay $X for M, and A is freely available, then obviously you are paying $X for B. If you are willing to pay $X for B then pay it. If not then take A (still freely available!) and write the equivalent B functionality yourself (or pay someone to do it).
Taxpayer funded research/development NEEDS to remain in the public domain and not allow any greedy company to come along and steal it or patent it. The only way to ensure that the peoples investment is secure is with the GPL.
HELLO? The BSD license DOES this! You cannot steal what is FREELY AVAILABLE! You cannot patent what has already been published! You don't need the ridiculously complicated and restrictive GPL to do this!
The GPL will allow any interested party to continue to contribute to the peoples investment without the ability to steal it out from under them.
Provided they agree to the misguided FSF/RMS vision of utopia. Oh, you don't? Too bad you paid taxes for it then.
Many dirty commercial companies would love for the taxpayers to fund a project and then be able to come along and steal it for no cost and sell it back to the people.
If someone is dumb enough to pay for something that is freely available then they deserve to get taken.
The goal of BSD is to get as many people as possible to use the code. If that happens to make everyone's software better then yippee. The point is not to ram some (false) utopian vision of the world down everyone's throats but to write code and have people use it. Simple as pie. That's why BSD is better.
The BSD license is designed to allow code to be used. The GPL license is designed to change the world into GNU/World.
"But when development is done with everyone's dollars, it should be open for use by all."
Absolutely it should be open for use by all. GPL software is absolutely "open for use" by one and all. The GPL even states it has to be. So don't worry, your business can run linux, too.
Maybe I don't like the GPL. Maybe I don't want to release the source to a derivative work. Maybe I don't want my business to run on Linux. I paid taxes to develop the original code, I should be allowed to do whatever the hell I want with it. The GPL restricts use to those that agree to the FSF's vision of communal code. We should use a more open license, like BSD.
The GPL makes it open for use by all. And unlike other licenses, it ensures that the software will remain open for use by all.
Classic FSF FUD. A more accurate statement would be: "The GPL makes it open for use by people who agree with the GPL. And unlike other licenses, it ensures that ALL software will be under the GPL."
If the software is released under the BSD license it is available to a much broader population (the BSD license has far fewer restrictions on use). The GPL does not do anything more than BSD to ensure that the software will remain open for use by all. It already is open once it is released under a BSD license. As long as someone has a copy of the BSD licensed code lying around it can always be distributed and used (witness how OpenSSH was born from SSH).
Okay, this might be a bit boneheaded, but how? GPS says I am at 45,73 and Galileo says I am at 42,70. If the error for the coords has a fixed maximum then I can say that I must lie in the intersection of the two areas. But if the coords are very similar I don't gain much useful info.
We (the Tcl core developers) have had problems in the past with Stow, mainly because it relies on being able to specify the installation process at 'make-install' time instead of normal 'make' time, leading to messed up baked-in paths
No. Bad coders, no biscuit.
'configure' (or something else) should decide where
things are going to live.
'make' should build things based on what 'configure' did.
'make install' should install things WITHOUT CHANGING THEM.
Anything else is BAD coding by developers. We user stow religously where I work and nothing is more annoying than dumbass software that compiles stuff during a 'make install'. I should be able to configure+make something so that it thinks it is going to live in/usr/local. I should then be able to install it into/usr/local/stow/foo-1.2 and stow it. As far as the program is concerned it actually does live in/usr/local. There is no reason why this cannot be done and in all the years (4? 5?) I having been using stow on several OSes (5?) I have never seen stow break anything. I know what I am doing when I do a 'make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/foo-1.2'. Assume that I have a very good reason for changing the target dir and don't build/change anything.
To sum up: 'make' should build but never install, 'make install' should install but never build.
I sent Fox a letter asking them to not cancel Firefly. I used the mailing address provided on their website (it explicitly says "Send programming questions and comments here:..."). A couple of weeks later the letter shows up in my mailbox with a big Fox sticker on it "explaining" that they could not deliver it.
It took me a second to process. The first word out of my mouth was "MOTHERFUCKERS."
USPS delivered the letter. Fox decided that instead of opening it they would return it. Motherfuckers.
For Computing Science I am obligated to plug my employer at the University of Alberta. It's actually a pretty good CS program (we are sort of rivals with Waterloo). As a bonus, the undergraduate student group has been Slashdotted twice in the past three months (modded paper shredder and Valentine's Day form letter). I'm one of the admins for the undergrad labs, and yes our web server coped just fine thank you very much.
When will we see support for a board that integrates an analog tuner and an MPEG2 encoder? Once we get support for boards like that you will
see an explosion of do-it-yourself Digital Video Recorders.
They are out there. Hauppage also has a newer card (the 350) with even more features.
Mail Hauppage (sales@hauppauge.com). Tell them how many you would buy if they would start supporting open source. Be sure to tell them that binary Linux drivers are NOT "support". I want to see these cards working under *BSD, too (that means documentation, not a
Redhat-only kernel module).
By the way, I am in no way suggesting that Hauppage is the only company making these things.
I just can't think of any others off the top of my head. If you know of others, post below with the
relevant links and contact info.
Let's get after these hardware companies: I want to build my own DVR, dammit.
So what if you outlaw cloning in your own country--what if the Japanese/Chinese/Indians/whoever else decide it's just fine and dandy in their nations?
All you do is deny your own people any possible benefits this technology may eventually
bring.
If you just had lots of oil, you'd get plenty of respect, like a bunch of unsavory nations elsewhere in the world the U.S. flirts with, regardless of our President.
I think Canadians make great neighbors. I never got used to that vinegar-on-french-fries
thing, though.
Except we do have lots of oil. According to
your Department of Energy (search for Canada) we are your biggest source for total oil imports and third biggest for just crude oil imports. There is a nice summary for Canada too. We may even be sitting on more oil than Saudi Arabia if we can ever fully develop Alberta's oil sands.
Those who have seen Triumph of the Nerds will remeber what Cringely thinks of Steve Jobs (remember Cringely worked for Apple back when they were still based in a garage).
From http://www.pbs.org/nerds/part3.html (during Jobs' exile): "The most dangerous man in Silicon Valley sits in an office in this building. People love him and hate him. Often at the same time. For ten years by sheer force of will he made the personal computer industry follow his direction. With this guy we're not talking about someone driven by the profit motive in a desire for an opulent retirement at the age of forty, no we're talking holy war we're talking rivers of blood and fields of dead martyrs to the cause of greater computing. We're talking about a guy who sees the personal computer as his tool for changing the world. We're talking about Steve Jobs."
If you have not watched Triumph of the Nerds you should. It is a necessity if you want to understand the PC industry.
Too much information is bad for some patients. For example there are books available to doctors which compile every medication available and what the results of the clinical trials were. Every result - from effect on symptoms to side-effects to placebo effects (the side-effects that the people given placebos developed) - in brutal detail. If you prescribe Foo(tm) for illness bar, and the patient looks and sees that a patient given a placebo Foo had a heart attack, what do you think they will do? The rare individual will say "Wow. Weird." and understand that Foo is perfectly safe. But the majority will run away screaming to another doctor and refuse treatment with Foo for the rest of their lives.
Everyone thinks that doctors are just data libraries and that anyone with the same information could do just as good a job. Not true. Most of the job is interpretation. That is why different doctors make different diagnoses. The doctors most respected by other doctors are those that consistently "see" things that others don't ("Well this looks like bar at first, but it reminds me of baz for some reason. Let's do some tests to check that out.").
Re:Let's hear it for the CBC
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Maybe they split the cost with TSN. TSN showed the games up to and including the quarterfinals live, then CBC showed the last four games live. All the while CBC and TSN were replaying the games off tape later in the day.
God bless the CBC and TSN. Fantastic coverage from both. If Americans only knew how terrible their networks' coverage of major international sporting events (eg. Olympics) really is...
> This patch doesn't even address future, yet-to-be-discovered vulnerabilities.
I know that's a joke, but why aren't they doing that? If they did proactive code audits like the
OpenBSD folks do they wouldn't have so many vulnerabilities down the line.
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More FSF FUD. If the government releases code under BSD IT IS FREE. IT WILL ALWAYS BE FREE. So what if MS embraces and extends the code. The original code is STILL FREE and anyone can pick it up and develop it into a competing product.
Then using their monopoly, they can force feed this application/technology to the people who originally paid for it, causing them to pay twice, and MS would get all this will little investment.
Stop and think for a second. People wouldn't be paying twice, they would be paying ONCE, for the additional work that MS did.
Original code: A
MS code: B
MS product: M
A + B = M
If you pay $X for M, and A is freely available, then obviously you are paying $X for B. If you are willing to pay $X for B then pay it. If not then take A (still freely available!) and write the equivalent B functionality yourself (or pay someone to do it).
Taxpayer funded research/development NEEDS to remain in the public domain and not allow any greedy company to come along and steal it or patent it. The only way to ensure that the peoples investment is secure is with the GPL.
HELLO? The BSD license DOES this! You cannot steal what is FREELY AVAILABLE! You cannot patent what has already been published! You don't need the ridiculously complicated and restrictive GPL to do this!
The GPL will allow any interested party to continue to contribute to the peoples investment without the ability to steal it out from under them.
Provided they agree to the misguided FSF/RMS vision of utopia. Oh, you don't? Too bad you paid taxes for it then.
Many dirty commercial companies would love for the taxpayers to fund a project and then be able to come along and steal it for no cost and sell it back to the people.
If someone is dumb enough to pay for something that is freely available then they deserve to get taken.
The goal of BSD is to get as many people as possible to use the code. If that happens to make everyone's software better then yippee. The point is not to ram some (false) utopian vision of the world down everyone's throats but to write code and have people use it. Simple as pie. That's why BSD is better.
The BSD license is designed to allow code to be used. The GPL license is designed to change the world into GNU/World.
Absolutely it should be open for use by all. GPL software is absolutely "open for use" by one and all. The GPL even states it has to be. So don't worry, your business can run linux, too.
Maybe I don't like the GPL. Maybe I don't want to release the source to a derivative work. Maybe I don't want my business to run on Linux. I paid taxes to develop the original code, I should be allowed to do whatever the hell I want with it. The GPL restricts use to those that agree to the FSF's vision of communal code. We should use a more open license, like BSD.
Classic FSF FUD. A more accurate statement would be: "The GPL makes it open for use by people who agree with the GPL. And unlike other licenses, it ensures that ALL software will be under the GPL."
If the software is released under the BSD license it is available to a much broader population (the BSD license has far fewer restrictions on use). The GPL does not do anything more than BSD to ensure that the software will remain open for use by all. It already is open once it is released under a BSD license. As long as someone has a copy of the BSD licensed code lying around it can always be distributed and used (witness how OpenSSH was born from SSH).
Fine. Flexible. Feline. Whatever the fuck (there's another one) you want. Why didn't you just check the FAQ (another one!)?
Um yeah, that's a valid concern.
Okay, this might be a bit boneheaded, but how?
GPS says I am at 45,73 and Galileo says I am at 42,70. If the error for the coords has a fixed maximum then I can say that I must lie in the intersection of the two areas. But if the coords are very similar I don't gain much useful info.
Are you implying that there are only 20,000 virgins in Canada? Because that would be impressive - no, wait, DISTURBING - if true.
That's from Airplane. Give credit where credit is due, dumbass.
No. Bad coders, no biscuit.
'configure' (or something else) should decide where things are going to live.
'make' should build things based on what 'configure' did.
'make install' should install things WITHOUT CHANGING THEM.
Anything else is BAD coding by developers. We user stow religously where I work and nothing is more annoying than dumbass software that compiles stuff during a 'make install'. I should be able to configure+make something so that it thinks it is going to live in /usr/local. I should then be able to install it into /usr/local/stow/foo-1.2 and stow it. As far as the program is concerned it actually does live in /usr/local. There is no reason why this cannot be done and in all the years (4? 5?) I having been using stow on several OSes (5?) I have never seen stow break anything. I know what I am doing when I do a 'make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/foo-1.2'. Assume that I have a very good reason for changing the target dir and don't build/change anything.
To sum up: 'make' should build but never install, 'make install' should install but never build.
Time for my Fox rant.
I sent Fox a letter asking them to not cancel Firefly. I used the mailing address provided on their website (it explicitly says "Send programming questions and comments here:..."). A couple of weeks later the letter shows up in my mailbox with a big Fox sticker on it "explaining" that they could not deliver it.
It took me a second to process. The first word out of my mouth was "MOTHERFUCKERS."
USPS delivered the letter. Fox decided that instead of opening it they would return it. Motherfuckers.
For Computing Science I am obligated to plug my employer at the University of Alberta. It's actually a pretty good CS program (we are sort of rivals with Waterloo).
As a bonus, the undergraduate student group has been Slashdotted twice in the past three months (modded paper shredder and Valentine's Day form letter). I'm one of the admins for the undergrad labs, and yes our web server coped just fine thank you very much.
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. - Steven Wright
From a handy site: 21% benzene, 33% gasoline, 46% polystyrene.
They are out there. Hauppage also has a newer card (the 350) with even more features.
Mail Hauppage (sales@hauppauge.com). Tell them how many you would buy if they would start supporting open source. Be sure to tell them that binary Linux drivers are NOT "support". I want to see these cards working under *BSD, too (that means documentation, not a Redhat-only kernel module).
By the way, I am in no way suggesting that Hauppage is the only company making these things. I just can't think of any others off the top of my head. If you know of others, post below with the relevant links and contact info. Let's get after these hardware companies: I want to build my own DVR, dammit.
Ralph: My cat's breath smells like cat food.
I assume you're an American?
Canadian. Just like the clone apparently.
So what if you outlaw cloning in your own country--what if the Japanese/Chinese/Indians/whoever else decide it's just fine and dandy in their nations? All you do is deny your own people any possible benefits this technology may eventually bring.
Some benefits come with too high a price.
Seriously.
I do not support the death penalty for anything less than high treason (high treason is worse than murder in my book). That, and now cloning.
Something about cloning humans strikes me as just wrong, wrong, wrong.
Find the clone and the template (the mother in this case). Verify that they are genetically identical. Execute them.
I think Canadians make great neighbors. I never got used to that vinegar-on-french-fries thing, though.
Except we do have lots of oil. According to your Department of Energy (search for Canada) we are your biggest source for total oil imports and third biggest for just crude oil imports. There is a nice summary for Canada too. We may even be sitting on more oil than Saudi Arabia if we can ever fully develop Alberta's oil sands.
Those who have seen Triumph of the Nerds will remeber what Cringely thinks of Steve Jobs (remember Cringely worked for Apple back when they were still based in a garage).
From http://www.pbs.org/nerds/part3.html (during Jobs' exile):
"The most dangerous man in Silicon Valley sits in an office in this building. People love him and hate him. Often at the same time. For ten years by sheer force of will he made the personal computer industry follow his direction. With this guy we're not talking about someone driven by the profit motive in a desire for an opulent retirement at the age of forty, no we're talking holy war we're talking rivers of blood and fields of dead martyrs to the cause of greater computing. We're talking about a guy who sees the personal computer as his tool for changing the world. We're talking about Steve Jobs."
If you have not watched Triumph of the Nerds you should. It is a necessity if you want to understand the PC industry.
Too much information is bad for some patients. For example there are books available to doctors which compile every medication available and what the results of the clinical trials were. Every result - from effect on symptoms to side-effects to placebo effects (the side-effects that the people given placebos developed) - in brutal detail. If you prescribe Foo(tm) for illness bar, and the patient looks and sees that a patient given a placebo Foo had a heart attack, what do you think they will do? The rare individual will say "Wow. Weird." and understand that Foo is perfectly safe. But the majority will run away screaming to another doctor and refuse treatment with Foo for the rest of their lives.
Everyone thinks that doctors are just data libraries and that anyone with the same information could do just as good a job. Not true. Most of the job is interpretation. That is why different doctors make different diagnoses. The doctors most respected by other doctors are those that consistently "see" things that others don't ("Well this looks like bar at first, but it reminds me of baz for some reason. Let's do some tests to check that out.").
Maybe they split the cost with TSN. TSN showed the games up to and including the quarterfinals live, then CBC showed the last four games live. All the while CBC and TSN were replaying the games off tape later in the day.
God bless the CBC and TSN. Fantastic coverage from both. If Americans only knew how terrible their networks' coverage of major international sporting events (eg. Olympics) really is...
I'll party for Mozilla as soon as it actually runs on OpenBSD.
Assuming you use something Netscape-ish:
..." line and a ".slashdot.org TRUE ..." line.
Quit Netscape.
Crack open your cookies file.
Copy the slashdot.org line.
Change "slashdot.org" to ".slashdot.org".
Change the first FALSE to TRUE.
You should now have a "slashdot.org FALSE
Save, restart Netscape. Problem solved.
> This patch doesn't even address future, yet-to-be-discovered vulnerabilities.
I know that's a joke, but why aren't they doing that? If they did proactive code audits like the
OpenBSD folks do they wouldn't have so many vulnerabilities down the line.