They just all apply their own "adjustments" which is why they vary slightly. The above link is a good introduction to how well these "adjustments" work. Here's a good article questioning if the scientists didn't "adjust" so their numbers would match the other publications:
I don't think anyone is faking data to deceive, but it's entirely possible people are saying "here's what everyone else found, if I don't find similar I'll be shunned."
The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than send to anyone.
So before filing FOI requests it sounds like they were making requests through normal channels. Of course I'm sure Jones was only joking about deleting the data before he would share it, right? Note that Jones also makes numerous references to "hiding" behind various things (non-publishing agreements, data secrecy acts, etc.) This is hardly the acts of someone who loves to share data.
Also note that the data he was "sharing" is his already "adjusted" numbers. Yes there are perfectly valid reasons to adjust data, however the CRU kept no record (apparently) of how or why the numbers were adjusted. Now they say the raw data was thrown out in the 80's (even though they were discussing how to keep it hidden as recently as this summer.)
Whether you agree or disagree with the whole AGW thing, the fact is these guys were not conducting science so much as politics. Anyone looking at this who loves science and believes fully in the peer-review process should be disgusted by what these guys were up to. We essentially have a giant table of numbers they created and their word that nothing is wrong and we should believe them. That's not science.
Jones, as documented quite clearly in the leaked emails, has apparently spent years avoiding FOIA requests, even suggesting he'd rather delete data than share it with AGW skeptics.
Sharing data with scientists who already agree with you isn't science. These guys have clearly abandoned science in favor of politics.
fyi realclimate.org should be viewed very skeptically. In the leaked emails the fact that realclimate.org is essentially run by these very scientists is discussed in detail
I wanted you guys to know that you're free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through.... We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you'd like us to include.
[T]hink of RC as a resource that is at your disposal.... We'll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics don't get to use the RC comments as a megaphone.
I've heard this "property damage isn't violence" argument before and it's just as ridiculous now as it was the first time I heard it.
Tonight I'm going to take a baseball bat to my neighbor's car and smash in all the windows. He blasts his car stereo at insane volumes late at night so this is my form of protest. That's not violence? It may not be as bad as taking the bat to my neighbor, but it's still violence.
Monica Bellucci filmed a simulated rape scene, where a man attacked her at knife point and spent many long minutes raping her from behind. It's a fairly disturbing scene, and it won several awards:
It's absurd no one came to these guys' defense. yes what they film is disgusting (imho) and yes they push the envelope, but clearly someone was buying it so clearly not everyone likes the same stuff.
the hilarious part about the unions owning the bulk of some car companies is that other car companies now have to negotiate employee contracts with their competitor.
yeah, government run industry is a brilliant idea.
yeah, if the military is on the case and the plane is hijacked there's nothing to worry about right? I mean worse-case scenario they have to shoot the plane down and your building gets engulfed in a rain of jet fuel and debris.
I probably wouldn't say "dozens" as I know distances in the sky can be skewed, but to a lay person I can see how seeing that would say it was "dozens" of feet from the Goldman Sachs Tower.
it was a 747 flying at under 1,000 feet with two military escorts. If I saw that, and I worked where the bulk of the 9/11 dead are still buried I'd feel some panic as well.
It's pathetic how many on here are making fun of these people. Just to give you an idea of how low that is, 1,000 feet is roughly 1/2 the total height of the WTC twin towers.
you are correct, however by allowing states to set their own sales tax it's essentially creating a system where the states are in control and the feds just enforce things.
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their conclusions are similar because they're actually all using the same raw dataset.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking-gun-at-darwin-zero/
They just all apply their own "adjustments" which is why they vary slightly. The above link is a good introduction to how well these "adjustments" work. Here's a good article questioning if the scientists didn't "adjust" so their numbers would match the other publications:
http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/12/climategate_was_data_faked.php
I don't think anyone is faking data to deceive, but it's entirely possible people are saying "here's what everyone else found, if I don't find similar I'll be shunned."
Jones suggested deleting data (not emails, actually temp data) rather than share it:
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=490&filename=1107454306.txt
The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear
there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I'll delete the file rather than
send to anyone.
So before filing FOI requests it sounds like they were making requests through normal channels. Of course I'm sure Jones was only joking about deleting the data before he would share it, right? Note that Jones also makes numerous references to "hiding" behind various things (non-publishing agreements, data secrecy acts, etc.) This is hardly the acts of someone who loves to share data.
Also note that the data he was "sharing" is his already "adjusted" numbers. Yes there are perfectly valid reasons to adjust data, however the CRU kept no record (apparently) of how or why the numbers were adjusted. Now they say the raw data was thrown out in the 80's (even though they were discussing how to keep it hidden as recently as this summer.)
Whether you agree or disagree with the whole AGW thing, the fact is these guys were not conducting science so much as politics. Anyone looking at this who loves science and believes fully in the peer-review process should be disgusted by what these guys were up to. We essentially have a giant table of numbers they created and their word that nothing is wrong and we should believe them. That's not science.
Jones, as documented quite clearly in the leaked emails, has apparently spent years avoiding FOIA requests, even suggesting he'd rather delete data than share it with AGW skeptics.
Sharing data with scientists who already agree with you isn't science. These guys have clearly abandoned science in favor of politics.
fyi realclimate.org should be viewed very skeptically. In the leaked emails the fact that realclimate.org is essentially run by these very scientists is discussed in detail
http://www.eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=622&filename=1139521913.txt
I wanted you guys to know that you're free to use RC in any way you think would be helpful. Gavin and I are going to be careful about what comments we screen through.... We can hold comments up in the queue and contact you about whether or not you think they should be screened through or not, and if so, any comments you'd like us to include.
[T]hink of RC as a resource that is at your disposal.... We'll use our best discretion to make sure the skeptics don't get to use the RC comments as a megaphone.
I'm not sure if you're aware and making a joke about it, but Pittsburgh recently got an alcoholic drink tax. 10% on every poured drink.
The city is going to have to continue raising taxes everywhere it can, because we've had decades of really bad management.
it's more like the difference between Moby Dick and the entire Library of Congress.
I've heard this "property damage isn't violence" argument before and it's just as ridiculous now as it was the first time I heard it.
Tonight I'm going to take a baseball bat to my neighbor's car and smash in all the windows. He blasts his car stereo at insane volumes late at night so this is my form of protest. That's not violence? It may not be as bad as taking the bat to my neighbor, but it's still violence.
sure, uh huh
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/08/unamerican-attacks-cant-derail-health-care-debate-.html
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/08/13/reid-protesters-are-evil-mongers/
the fact that you cite the strawman fallacy just proves how ignorant you are. Obama has practically mastered the art of using it at this point.
no no no...you're only a traitor if you oppose universal health care (or anything else on the progressive agenda.)
Otherwise dissent is patriotic.
Monica Bellucci filmed a simulated rape scene, where a man attacked her at knife point and spent many long minutes raping her from behind. It's a fairly disturbing scene, and it won several awards:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0290673/
It's absurd no one came to these guys' defense. yes what they film is disgusting (imho) and yes they push the envelope, but clearly someone was buying it so clearly not everyone likes the same stuff.
the hilarious part about the unions owning the bulk of some car companies is that other car companies now have to negotiate employee contracts with their competitor.
yeah, government run industry is a brilliant idea.
here's some video to give you perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU
It didn't just "fly by". It was under 1,000 feet and flying very very close to office buildings.
And how exactly is getting out of the building "panicky" and not just being cautious?
yeah, if the military is on the case and the plane is hijacked there's nothing to worry about right? I mean worse-case scenario they have to shoot the plane down and your building gets engulfed in a rain of jet fuel and debris.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU
I probably wouldn't say "dozens" as I know distances in the sky can be skewed, but to a lay person I can see how seeing that would say it was "dozens" of feet from the Goldman Sachs Tower.
It's certainly close enough to be concerning.
it was a 747 flying at under 1,000 feet with two military escorts. If I saw that, and I worked where the bulk of the 9/11 dead are still buried I'd feel some panic as well.
It's pathetic how many on here are making fun of these people. Just to give you an idea of how low that is, 1,000 feet is roughly 1/2 the total height of the WTC twin towers.
why not go after them with the same federal obscenity laws our govt loves to use against consenting adults making porn?
you are correct, however by allowing states to set their own sales tax it's essentially creating a system where the states are in control and the feds just enforce things.
yeah between 3 squares in Gitmo and Rendition to Pakistan for questioning I'll take Gitmo, thanks.
they're aliens. that's how they roll.
plus like I heard he like didn't even pay his hospital bill. buy yo check it, you're honor should be all like "guilty!"
PEACE!
it's cool scrote, lots of tards are living really kick ass lives. my ex-wife is tarded. she's a pilot now.
it'd be like appointing a tax cheat to head the IRS.
Boxee doesn't remove any ads. You see the exact same Hulu ads you would see if you went to their website.
now with real heroin!
to be followed with Rehab Hero w/Dr. Drew!
I've been chasing that mythical chore for years. It doesn't exist, it's just a trap to get you to do all the yardwork.