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ELF Knocks Down AM Towers To Save Earth, Intercoms
ScentCone writes "The ELF (Earth Liberation Front) has claimed responsibility for destroying the primary AM towers used by radio station KRKO in Washington state. From their statement: 'AM radio waves cause adverse health effects including a higher rate of cancer, harm to wildlife, and that the signals have been interfering with home phone and intercom lines.' The poor intercom performance must have been the last straw."
AM radio causes cancer?
...well maybe your home intercom *is* in danger... won't someone please think of the intercoms?!?
I'm from Jamaica, the show-me island. So show me you're blowing it out your fanny!
(obligatory Futurama reference)
I wonder if any of these ELF people understand physics... Radio behaves according to the inverse square law; in effect, your cellphone exposes you to much more power than all the cell towers around you, simply due to it being much closer. Similarly, any local transmitter you have (e.g. microwave ovens, CRTs, wifi APs, high-speed digital circuitry, etc) will expose you to more power than those far-away broadcast towers. Unless the AM radio tower is in your backyard, you are probably not in tremendous danger...
I'm tired of these treehuging illiterate morons. The government should go after them with guns...
What a bunch of fucking idiots.
Oh my God, these ELF guys are dumber than a box of hammers. Put their brains in a matchbox and they'll rattle around like a bunch of bbs in a boxcar. Where the hell is the science that shows an AM tower a mile away from your home is giving you cancer? Or hell, a hundred meters from your home? These retards will believe whatever junk science validates their owned warped view and they never fucking question it, defending it to the death. Fuck 'em. Lock these idiots up.
People still have working intercoms in homes? I thought that those went out in the 70's to early 80's.
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After all, if it weren't for these towers and their evil mind-infiltrating radio waves, these people would've never knocked them down in the first place!
Vandalism of what amounts to a public resource for political ends is either civil disobedience or domestic terrorism. If it's the latter, they deserve prison time. If it's the former, they should demand to go to jail and wear their prison garb as a badge of honor. As long as the individuals who did this stay in hiding they are nothing but cowards.
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They should have just wrapped the towers in tin foil.
First, damage to property is not violence. The proper response is to seize the assets of anyone connected with the plot, and prosecute the case as a crime.
Second, no one should condone irrational behavior like this. But before you go after the environmentalists with guns, you should probably consider that in the grand scheme of things, the loss of AM towers are the tiniest problems facing the nation right now.
If you want to repeat history, by all means, crack down on the ELF and send them all to prison and beat up anyone in the group. Throw the PATRIOT act in their faces. Within no time at all you will have given their movement the publicity and recruiting tools to really cause problems. And erode public support as more and more people are locked up by guilt from association. Or you can arrest the criminals who participated in the act, force the dissolution of the rest of the group unless they officially renounce property damage as a method of protest, and actually take care of the problem.
The electromagnetic spectrum is not a hard concept to grasp. Radio waves are about the most harmless radiation there is. They have a lower frequency than microwaves, infrared, or fucking ordinary visible light. Are they going to blow up the sun next?
Yet another group of ignorant children playing dangerous games in the adult world. Sigh.
But they are right about the interference issue. I live a little more than a mile away from AM towers, and they cause all kinds of goofy stuff. Anything with speakers or headphones is an AM radio here. I had to buy new equipment to get rid of the interference via trial and error with my wallet. I used to dismiss the Brady Bunch episode where Jan's braces picked up a radio station. But now it seems plausible.
However, I assure you I have no plans to bomb it. Although, I'd like give them a 20-foot finger.
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Can't you hear how they are crying out "No, his antenna is too small. It will never carry low enough frequencies. Die, you small antenna!"?
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It's because of the AM radio! If it were destroyed, we'd all have working intercoms again!
Say it with me:
"This is why we need science education"
"This is why we need science education"
"This is why we need science education"
Any relationship between ELF and SPEW (Society for the Promotion of Elfish Welfare)?
Why the "treehugging" qualifier?
Because these people don't want to "save" the planet for man... they place the planet above man. They view this not as our home, but view people as inferior, a parasite on their world. We call them treehuggers because these people are essentially a pagan earth cult. They're a Gaia-worshipping Luddite movement.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Looks like Alf got tired of eating cats!
Be relentless!
"Y'know, I can almost respect them for torching SUVs "
If you can almost respect them for destroying someone else's property, then you're almost as much as asshole as they are.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Since President Obama has found something to do for the whole of the Weather Underground, I bet our President is eager to find key czar positions for members of the Earth Liberation Front in his administration.
Elrond and Legolas entered in the Most Wanted Fugitives FBI list.
we are going to need to burn some oil and release more CO2 into the air as we transport workers and materials in the rebuilding effort. I'm glad the ELF thought this through.
These are the same nutters who think we are enslaving the honey bees. No kidding. http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm
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These ELF people may not be bright, but I assure you that they know that AM radio will not give you cancer. They took out the antennae because they did not like what was being broadcast from them, and because they could.
In one of their typical "look at me" extreme vandalism moves, they get to silence some major critics pre-emptively, and still get lots of attention.
-- Len
This sarcasm is relevant to my interests!
Disclaimers: I live a few houses down from the station owner, so I've followed this for a while. I was a broadcast engineer in a past life (even did some contracting at a former iteration of this station.)
Here is the story from the local paper: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090905/NEWS01/709059909&news01ad=1 (good set of pictures)
From the Seattle Times version: "Andy Skotdal, general manager of the family-owned sports-radio station, isn't convinced ELF is responsible, even though the group's North American press office in Washington, D.C., issued a news release and posted an item on its national Web site Friday saying it was.
He suspects disgruntled locals who have long opposed the siting of the towers on 40 acres of farmland may have taken matters into their own hands after losing a key ruling in King County Superior Court a few weeks ago.
"My suspicion is, it's somebody local," Skotdal, whose family has owned the station for 20 years, said by phone Friday as he watched dozens of sheriff's detectives and FBI agents comb the property for evidence. "It could be somebody painting ELF on a banner to throw off suspicion."
In the same story, the FBI sees a few things that point to ELF but they are only a day into the investigation. I'd lay away from making a call right now on who is responsible.
Either way, stealing a excavator, driving it through a muddy field and pulling down two towers has to leave a good amount of evidence. I'm also thinking that the guy wires must have been cut too, just to keep from kill the machine operator on the first tower.
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If you want to repeat history, by all means, crack down on the ELF and send them all to prison and beat up anyone in the group. Throw the PATRIOT act in their faces. Within no time at all you will have given their movement the publicity and recruiting tools to really cause problems. Within no time at all you will have given their movement the publicity and recruiting tools to really cause problems. And erode public support as more and more people are locked up by guilt from association.
I agree with all of your post except this point. Unlike many Islamic terrorist groups, the ELF rarely if ever takes any sort of positive action "back home" to draw in sympathy (e.g. Hamas and Hezbollah run charity hospitals). Additionally, those organizations have an enemy that is widely reviled by their neighbors and considered a threat to their lives and way of life (i.e. Israel and the US). Sympathy for terrorism only happens when normal people feel there's some sort justification for the terrorists' actions.
ELF, in contrast, strikes out seemingly randomly at many targets that are not nearly the worst offenders, like the radio station here or by burning an entire car dealership for selling SUVs. Worse for them, the rest of the green movement is generally filled with people who respect principles of nonviolence and wouldn't support such against against even the worst offenders. That's why next to no one has any sympathy for ELF; they're practically green anarchists. I'm about as tree-hugging as you can get, but absolutely NO environmentalist that I know has ANY sympathy for these losers.
Personally, I'd be happy if they were all locked up so that those of us who aren't violent radicals wouldn't have to have them used against us by people on the other side of the debate.
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Yeah, it's not surprising though, a lot of people want to use government to force the world to be the way they want it. Environmentalists want to keep the earth as unchanged as possible, even if it means no water for farmers (big problem right now in California). Even if it means chopping 40% off the GDP in order to reduce carbon dioxide output. Or burning houses and SUVs.
Religious people want to make sure no one has sex in weird ways. Poor college students want to be able to download songs for free, even though a dollar a song isn't really all that much. Corporations want to get as much as possible from you, and hippies want to destroy the corporations. The guy who lives next door to me thinks fighting should be legal. I kind of understand, since he is a big guy that would work to his advantage. For us smaller people, suing is a more attractive option.
If I didn't offend anyone in this post, please let me know and I'll do a follow up. The point is, it's not really about cancer, ELF won't be happy until the world is the way they want it to be, which is essentially people-less. And it's hard to say how the world SHOULD be, and throughout a lot of history, we've solved that problem by having kings who fight and kill those who disagree with their vision of the world. The strongest man wins.
In our more civilized age, we now use democracy, essentially rule by the majority, which is only better because it is somewhat less violent. And if enough people think freaky sex is bad for society, well it will be outlawed. Sorry for you if you want to do it. If most people think churches should start paying taxes, then that's going to happen too. It's how our society works, and it's only good in that it's better than the alternatives.
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What we need is a elf hunt. Make it be your typical extermination hunt, such as we had on the Olympic peninsula a few years ago to get rid of the feral hogs that were tearing up the native vegetation. No tagging required, no bag or possession limit, no restrictions on the weapon used (so we can get the bow hunters, the black powder guys and gals, the handguners, maybe even a flamethrower or two).
I wonder what kind of mount would be good for an elf? Typical head on wall, or perhaps a rug?
Forget AM towers, have these people ever though about the sun?
- The sun increases the risk for cancer much more that AM radio towers do.
- The sun causes sunburn.
- The sun also increases the risk for forest fires.
- The sun will destroy the earth! Including intercoms!
The sun would attract more publicity than a tower.
Maybe they'll close Santa's workshop to get more elves working on the sun.
Maybe AM radio causes cancer, maybe it doesn't. Why take a chance? From now on, I'm only going to listen to FM.
What a bunch of fuckups. lol AM towers, now that's random. What's next windmills? Um, they impede the free movement of air and adversely affect trees and avian flight. Yeah that's it. /pant
Where's my sock? There it is...
If its specifically AM radio, how does the cell detect the modulation and know to become cancerous? Thats one damn smart tumour.
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we shoot people for Apollo-related non-sequiturs?
We should totally start using armed Predator drones on these fuckers. The ELF, not AM radio towers.
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You know, oblivion keeps looking better every day.
But they are right about the interference issue. I live a little more than a mile away from AM towers, and they cause all kinds of goofy stuff. Anything with speakers or headphones is an AM radio here.
But you, being a sensible human being, realized that the solution was to buy shielded cables and electronics, not to trash a radio tower that serves your entire area. Yes, in our digital age, interference is irritating, but radio transmission and EMI is absolutely integral to our lifestyle.
Number one rule for direct action:
Have your facts straight. If you target the wrong people, or if your science is bad, you're sacrificing credibility and making people angry for no good reason.
For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
You can almost respect them for destroying someone elses car? Then you just barely have morals.
Ferrite cores. If you put them on the wires picking up the signal, it's supposed to stop the pickup.
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Just go ahead and check out these instructions on how to make "Holy Hand Grenades" and "Tower Busters". Granted, this is less destructive than knocking down towers, but the ignorance involved is just about as scary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccS70UQE0fE
Y'know, I can almost respect them for torching SUVs - If the government won't tell people "No, you may not drive a vehicle that presents a significant danger* to everyone else on the road, without special training for the appropriate license class", then perhaps fear of having their car burn down one night kept at least a few people driving more realistic vehicles.
So lemme get this straight. You almost respect them for:
- extreme vandalism,
- severely inconveniencing people who rely on their vehicles, which also inconveniences the people who rely on them,
- causing a metric fuckton of air pollution all in one go,
- risking catching something else or someone on fire,
- destroying an SUV that will likely be replaced with ANOTHER SUV, thus INCREASING the demand for them,
because you think the LICENSE BUREAU isn't doing a good job? Would you respect them more or less if you thought they were burning SUVs because the patent office isn't doing a good job?
I always knew that GCC produced gigantic ELF files, but big enough to knock over an AM tower? This is just ridiculous.
because AM Radio is "Talk Radio" done mostly by Conservative Talk Radio stations.
Buh-Bye Rush Limbaugh, your AM radio towers are toast man.
No more Sports radio broadcasts either.
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the group's North American press office in Washington, D.C., issued a news release and posted an item on its national Web site Friday saying it was.
When an eco-terrorist organization claims responsibility for another eco-terrorist act, people are going to take them at their word.
While the full name is spelled out in the summary, I just decided to check on google if there was any info on them. Well, even the Endangered Language Fund is listed before anything related to them when searching for ELF. Just get rid of them already!
Yes without a doubt these guys are morons and give environmentalist bad names. I always find odd the term "Tree-hugger". As if loving nature is a bad thing. Personally I find cities stressful and would prefer being in a forest. I recently moved out to the country. Ironically because of fewer people on my lines I have amazing internet service, super fast transfer speeds. The point is there seems to be this attitude that since we have science we don't need nature. It's an irrational position given the fact just keeping a few astronauts alive long enough to get to Mars and back is stretching our technology to it's limits. Keeping billions of people alive without nature is unimaginable. We have to drop this adversarial approach to nature. A recent study of fish in streams found that a 100% had measurable levels of mercury and 25% had unsafe levels and shouldn't be eaten. Safe levels? If you keep up to date you'll know that they no longer consider any level of mercury as safe. Knocking down radio towers is pointless. The technology isn't a 100% safe but it only affects things at close range. Personally I wouldn't want a repeater on the side of my house but across the street isn't a problem. You get more radiation from your outlets in the house and those may be dangerous but I doubt any of these whackos live without electricity. I think they'd find they'd do far more good for the environment riding a bike or buying a car that got 10 mpg more than their current car. It's like with the last oil crisis I always said we can't drill our way out of the problem, conservation would drop prices faster than drilling ever could. What dropped prices in the end was people and industry cutting back. Knocking down towers won't change anything but small changes can have massive affects on resources. Obama got blasted for recommending tire inflation. He pointed out that properly inflated tires would contribute more than the Alaskan preserve they wanted to drill on and that would take 5 to 10 years to see any oil and tires can be done today. It was an excellent point that a small thing could buy us a year or two of oil. Up gas milage to 50 mpg and eventually 100 mpg, it can be done, and we might last out the century on oil which would buy a lot of time transitioning to a more long term solution. These jackasses are after press and nothing more. Sadly the press is thrilled to give them all the time they want so long as they do things asinine enough.
C'mon, analog radio will follow analog TV within the next few years, with or without an FCC mandate (market forces alone will do the trick, no doubt at all).
I sure hope not. One of the last broadcast media that I can actually build a receiver to listen to? If we have to buy a computer from BIG_IC_MANUFACTURER_X just to listen to a radio broadcast, it will almost certainly be non-serviceable and we'll just throw it away and get a new one when it stops working. Too bad for your "market forces" that people still depend on emergency broadcasts on analog radio. Why force people to be consumers by forcing them to use non-serviceable crap?
Funny, how radical left parties just always seem to be considered more harmful then radical 'right' parties. Like the 'Animal Liberation Front' is somehow considered worse than the SS. Weird.
I'd never associate with the Earth Liberation Front. Now the Liberation Front of Earth, that's what it's all about. Not like those bastards in the Frontier for Earthern Liberation.
Analog radio following analog TV? That's pretty dubious... Raise your hand if you bought an HD radio tuner. Hell, raise your hand if you even know anyone who owns an HD radio tuner (no, the one that came standard in the expensive car does not count).
Nothing about HD radio makes a lick of sense. It sounds worse than traditional FM, it's a commercially-licensed medium on public airwaves, and the receivers are a hundred times more expensive than normal. With the rising popularity of mobile data plans on cellular phones, there's even less of a draw. The average consumer has zero reason to buy a digital radio tuner. It's a farce.
ELF is evil, I said it since 1995! We should switch to COFF at once!
I think it was sponsored by "The Shack" trying to sell more HD radios. Only analog AM was taken out.
They weren't warned of tornadoes... forest fires... etc. I'm certain these things cause more deaths than AM radio. Seriously... what were these jackholes thinking?
This all started out by someone saying that knocking down the radio tower was not violence, and now you are saying that knocking down the tower is not an official crime of violence.
If one looks at what is defined as a crime of violence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime, you are correct.
However, the OP is quite wrong. The word "violence" in and of itself most certainly covers this act (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/violence).
Also, watch out for ground loops. If you plug your computer into your power strip, and then plug an amplifier into the analog audio out connector, and then plug your amp into the outlet, you've created a loop antenna in the ground system (there's a loop running from power strip to computer to amp to power strip, because the audio out cable has 2 single-ended signal lines plus a ground line). Getting rid of such loops can be hard (cutting the ground line in the audio cable doesn't entirely solve the problem and has its own issues, for example), but being aware of them and minimizing the area that they enclose can help dramatically.
I saw an example where the problem was exactly as above, and until they moved the power cables around to shrink the loop the local AM station always played on the speakers.
Just as a point of fact, there is a rather significant water shortage in the entire western third of the US. There is already at least one major body of water in the SW which has been converted from part of the aquifer to a source of alkaline dust which plagues LA. If you think you can tap enough water from anywhere to supply California farmers you don't know anything about water conservation.
There is a difference between being an environmentalist and being an eco-terroist. Attempting to manage a limited resource by balancing both the needs of the human population in the area as well at the environmental needs isn't about being a nutjob, it's about trying to avoid another dustbowl.
I have done environmental impact statements. I have studied water and land management. The one thing I have always found is that if anything I say stands in the way of someone making money, it's wrong and based on crackpot science. If it helps clear a hurdle, it's sacred gospel. The farmers in CA will scream until they get as much water as they want, and then they will scream when the brush and forest fires are even worse.
Even if I can find that mammal, how do I get it to stay still?
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I always knew there was something I didn't like about elves. Go dwarves! :)
so if they claimed credit why can't we put them all under the jail? At least the office staff claiming credit.
Really, if they want credit then give them responsibility too.
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Funny that, I've worked in radio stations where the audio board was 6 feet away from the transmitter. We didn't have the AM signal bleeding into the audio, or the phone system, or anything. You must not have you equipment setup right. See the post in this thread about ground-loops.
Have you tried calling the station for help? Most will gladly let you talk to the engineer to figure out a solution.
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A tower outside of Allentown, PA was deliberately felled the same night. As it was a guyed tower, the vandals cut the guys to bring it down.
my loony brother removed all those you insensitive clod!
Yeah, my thinking exactly. You'd almost think they are employed by the oil industry or something in order to turn the public opinion against the green movement. Surely they are not so dumb as to not realize that the only real effect of their actions is to harm the causes that they claim to believe in.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
I don't understand. Wouldn't this cause any situation with:
1) Two devices both receiving grounded wall power.
2) Devices are connected by a signal cable with ground line
to cause ground loops? Doesn't that make it entirely impossible to do anything about, unless you want no way to connect your components at all?
It's not about 'not having enough water.' California is not like the midwest, or Texas, where water is removed from the ground; in California, the reservoirs are replenished every year with water from the mountains, and when that goes onto fields, it actually replenishes the water table.
The issue right now is that a lot of water from the reservoirs is being dumped into the ocean instead of onto fields in an effort to protect the delta smelt. Now, you may think the delta smelt is worth saving, or you may not, but either way you're not going to get a dust bowl in Central California. Nor does it have anything to do with forest fires. You may have done environmental impact statements, but you clearly don't understand the current water issues in California.
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They should be prosecuted, sued, shot, sent to the Russian Front, drawn & quartered, horse-whipped, shunned, starved, hanged, keelhauled, AND then put in prison.
Yeah, that should about cover it.
First off, "carrying capacity" estimates are all over the map. True, 0.5B may be the "low impact" carrying capacity, but even that's not a zero-impact - according to something I saw on TV, we have archaeological evidence that pre-Columbian Americans ruined fisheries and caused other localized environmental damage.
Second off, even if we were beyond capacity, the answer lies in encouraging low birth rates without resorting to China-esque techniques, more responsible stewardship of the natural resources we have, advances in science to feed more people with less environmental impact, and in the very long term, space exploration and colonization.
Mother Nature will also put in some degree of population control: As we have a few mega-disasters every century, each one will kill hundreds of thousands rather than the tens of thousands or thousands it would kill if we only had 0.5B spread roughly evenly around the habitable parts of the planet.
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It's a FOX station...nuff said...
I'm really not trolling here, but PETA has been funding ELF for years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/general/columns/story?columnist=guest_columnist&page=g_col_PETA_ELF_NYPost has a reprinted article from the NY Post.
I don't see many stories that are very recent, outside of what seem like blogs and bash-fests, but since PETA has denied ties all along, it doesn't make much difference to me whether they claim to have stopped or not.
It could induce microcurrents in some tissues, or cause certain molecules to resonate in a way which affected important chemical reactions.
That would also be known as "an increase in temperature", and you'd have to be standing damn close to the tower to get warmed up by it -- esp. by RF radiation.
If the radiation is non-ionizing then it does not induce any chemical reactions, nothing changes (except maybe something gets a little warmer). If you don't understand this last sentence then please go take a chemistry class and come back.
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>>>we now use democracy, essentially rule by the majority, which is only better because it is somewhat less violent. And if enough people think freaky sex is bad for society, well it will be outlawed.
>>>
That is incorrect thinking.
The proper thing is to ask, "Does freak sex involuntarily harm other human beings?" If the answer is "no" then there's no justification to outlaw it. Thomas Jefferson used that argument to promote freedom of religion, saying that it did not matter if his neighbor worshiped one god or many gods - his neighbors' actions do not harm my property, my body, nor my rights. The same reasoning can be applied to "freaky sex" where it doesn't matter if my neighbor has one partner or many partners - what he does won't harm me.
Democracy == tyranny of the majority. I prefer a government that protects the minority's or the individual's rights, even if the majority thinks "those people" are weird.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
When California was surveyed by the U.S. in the 1800s, it was labeled a "desert" (along with virtually everything else west of the rockies). and they estimated it could only sustain one family every 10,000 acres. Now California has a density of about 1 family every 10 acres, and people wonder why it's running dry of water. (duh)
It's called overpopulation folks.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
This isn't quite as bad as them burning things, which are just going to be rebuilt anyway; but it's still going to use quite a bit of energy when the tower is repaired.
I'm not a "true believer" in the A part of AGW. I'm just using "spews carbon" here as a shorthand for things that are bad for the environment. Something tells me ELF doesn't run out and purchase offsets everytime they "do an action".
So. For the good of the planet, ELF must be stopped!
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
So you fall into the category of people who think freaky sex is ok, or at least not harmful to society. There are other people who believe that freaky sex IS harmful to society, though I don't particularly care to repeat their arguments here.
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I just cut down a couple of trees that were messing up my satellite TV reception.
Thanks for the tip.
But come on, this is just silly.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I could swear that ELF is (or used to be) some kinda oil company.
Now that would add a twist, wouldn't it? Oil located in the middle of a town, but there's a damnable radio mast right where the drill needs to be. "I know boss, why don't we destroy it, say that 'ELF' did it and let everyone assume it's those other chumps."
Alternatively, if could just be a very arrogant Elf, who always writes his name in full caps. I'd love to see an elf taking down a radio mast, that would be awesome. A christmas-style elf, rather than a Tolkien-style one, naturally. No-one wants to see Orlando Bloom firing arrows at things any more than we already have.
On a side note, since this seems to crop up quite regularly... Hamas are not terrorists. No more than the US, UK, Australian, Spanish, Chinese, Pakistani (etc') Governments are.
Simply being the elected officials in a Nation whose own legitimacy is dictated by another Nation doesn't automatically make them terrorists because they fight a war against said Nation.
Although, in an effort to be reasonable, I did a little digging and apparently the US Government disagrees with me and officially considers Hamas to, in fact, be terrorists. So I suppose it is reasonable for those of you who wish to believe so to follow your Government's policy on that.
But hey, I've apparently put the US Government on the same level as Hamas anyway, so frankly I don't really care what they consider Hamas to be; I know what I consider.
Hmm, by the way, before I get trolled, I should mention, I'm only comparing the two Governments in terms of the legitimacy of war declarations, it's a fair shout that the US Government does rather a lot more for its people domestically.
causing a metric fuckton of air pollution all in one go,
Ya, no doubt. Do these geniuses factor in the toxins and carcinogens released by burning a motor vehicle? I bet its a hell of a lot more than what would be released in the normal operational life of that vehicle. This is about as effective to their cause as it would be to light a cat on fire to protest animal cruelty. Buncha tools.
I wonder if anybody has calculated how much carbon was dumped into the atmosphere when they burned down that car dealership?
My rights don't need management.
"It could induce microcurrents in some tissues, or cause certain molecules to resonate in a way which affected important chemical reactions. "
If we start speculating, it could be doing literally everything and anything. If you're going that route, I suppose you should say something trendy which includes words like "micro-currents" and "resonance". But you're basically MSU (Making Sh*t Up).
I suggest you examine you reservoirs before you make that statement. Most of the ones in California are running around 60% full and dropping. As to your second point about replenishing the water table, it doesn't. Most irrigation techniques involve spraying the crops as opposed to root irrigation. Doing so involves approximately 8% evaporation. Following that, farms target irrigation volumes and timing to maximize penetration at the root level and minimize any further penetration. In short, they explicitly try not to replenish the water table.(Nebraska's water management recommendation - they're similar for every farming application with minor variations for indigenous soils & climate.)
[sigh] What exactly will happen to the delta if the smelt die off? The general hint is that nothing lives in a vacuum. The smelt are relatively insensitive to salination changes. However the vast majority of the life in a delta are not. If you overdrain the open water sources - lakes, streams, etc - the delta is going to turn into a salt swamp. I'm absolutely certain that you'll appreciate living in the area then because areas undergoing swampification smell so nice. Oh, don't forget to add in the malaria issue due to the large pockets of standing water.
The people of Owen's Lake would disagree with you.
That you would state this indicates you have no understanding of the roles the natural aquifer plays in underbrush management.
In short, just because the water is there and free flowing, it doesn't mean that it's not already serving a purpose.
Why, they just want to break stuff then add a cause later. I was asked to help build a bomb and blow something up by a faction or chapter of these morons.
I said "no, and if you every contact me again or do what you are asking me to do, my next call will be to the FBI and I will turn your ass in" Or something to that effect, that was 15 years ago, I haven't heard from them again and the "thing or place" is still there untouched.
6.8SPC TR of 550, l xwind at 6, drift rt at 26" drops 77". AT has 503 ft-lbs at 1403 fps. FT 0.86
You do realise that "ELF" are not really connected in any way? Any Vegetarian/Vegan" who wants to blow things up can do so, and spray paint some BS about "ELF was here!". I've looked through websites by people representing this "ELF" before, but for me, non violent creative vegan education is infinitely better. I practise Abolitionist Veganism.
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I'd just like to point out the submitter was wrong, these are damn-left-wing-nutjobs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
And that's why you should always use XLR. XLR is low resistance and balanced (so the floor does not move around and cause AC hum), they can even deliver 78v power along two of the lines on demand to mics that require phantom power. All quality mics and amps are XLR. But most importantly XLR has very good SNR to kill that RF you're talking about. Some buzzing is from RF true, but mostly it is from the ground being on a different level on the different pieces of equipment you're using. If it was just RF you could solve that with a little a-foil. However the AC hum from dissimilar grounds is a little more difficult to get away from. If you must use two pieces of equipment and plug them into each other make sure you're using the same circuit, different circuits will for sure give you a different ground level. Also, if you're recording what is coming out of your amp, consider recording the amp by micing the amp, most pros use this method as they want to capture the unique sound of the amp and room as well as the little diddle on the 6 string, and you get rid of your little AC hum problem. (If you got the XLR mic, mic pre and blah blah blah)
I meant that as a joke, but "Troll" is close, right?
My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells by the seashore.
By your logic, ANYTHING is dangerous since we can't prove that something is not dangerous.
So really, the ELF guys/gals just need to invest in those magnetic pain relief bracelets then. That, and iron ball cuffs.
Clearly this was a diversion by the unskilled laborers unions in order to get a ban on construction equipment.
The "press office" in DC is bogus.
From the ELF Wiki entry "The Earth Liberation Front has no formal leadership, hierarchy, membership or official spokesperson and is entirely decentralized; instead consisting of individuals or cells who choose the term as a banner to use."
If the "press office" in DC is claiming credit for something that happened in Washington state then it should not be taken without a bag of salt.
Read up on the ELF before you start flaming all of them.
Also keep in mind the fact that by the definition the FBI uses to define "domestic terrorism" the "Founding Fathers" of the USA would all be terrorists. At its base this was an act of common vandalism, a state issue, but because credit has been conveniently claimed by a "Domestic Terrorist" group the FBI can come in and dig into anything they say is connected with it and then report back to congress and the press claiming that they need more power to run surveillance operations on US citizens.
And yes, I know I sound like I'm wearing a tin foil hat but sometimes the "nut jobs" see things others miss. And for the recored I'm wearing fire proof armor because I know I'm going to get flamed big time.
Great, but isn't most stuff that uses XLR connectors professional-grade? That means spending a good bit more on speakers and stereo.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
Also magnetic cock rings.
Hail Eris, full of mischief...
E pluribus sanguinem
The size of the loop makes a difference. Consider two devices connected by a shielded signal cable. If they are plugged into the same power outlet, the loop is no larger than the length of the power cords and the signal cable. The safety grounds come together at the outlet. There should be no significant current flowing in the power cord safety grounds.
Now plug the two devices into different outlets. The outlet safety grounds might not come together any closer than the electrical panel. In theory, safety grounds only carry current during a malfunction. In practice, there are induced currents and leakage. One outlet's ground may carry leakage from a furnace blower motor, and the other does not. Cable TV coax is should be tied to the electrical panel ground where the coax enters the house. This means that the coax shield forms another large ground loop when connected to any single-ended device with a safety ground, for example audio equipment.
Devices powered from different outlets should not be connected by single-ended signal cables. Professional audio uses balanced connections, and the shield is usually only connected at the input side. You can put a ground isolation balun in the cable TV coax where it connects to your TV. If all of your home entertainment devices are plugged into the same outlet, and you isolate the cable TV ground, you should not have hum. Keep the cable short, and you shouldn't have RF problems. Speaker cables are long enough to act as antennas, so if you live near a transmitter, you may want to put ferrite cores on the cables near the amplifier.
...dumbass...
HTH
Fuck off !
We're the Liberation Front of Earth !
At AM broadcast frequencies a tinfoil hat would work wonders; they must be out of tinfoil, somebody just ship them a free Costco-sized roll of the stuff, pat them on their pointy little heads, and send them off to their prison cell.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
I've lived near one of these towers for a while now and my head hasn't exploded on me... yet.
So when is some federal prosecutor going to jail this guy for RICO? Eh?
"When all legal channels of opposition have been exhausted, concerned citizens have to take action into their own hands to protect life and the planet," Jason Crawford, a spokesman for the group, said in a news release.
If you're "in charge" of an organization that does these kinds of things, then you should be in jail.
Jason Crawford is just another mobster.
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BMO
A few (too many) years ago, a friend was doing quite a bit of rf design work at home, but the radio station antenna a quarter mile away was injecting a hell of a signal into his if blocks. The solution? He remodeled his work room by tearing out the old plaster walls, re-insulating, updating the wiring, and stapling aluminum screen over the studs in the walls and ceiling before installing the gypsum board back over it. He tied the screen to a ground rod in salted soil to create a Faraday cage for the entire room. He used to laugh, saying that whenever he sells the house, the new owners will wonder why their cell phones and radios won't work in that room.
When you want something built, come see me. If you want correct grammar and spelling, get a F*ing liberal arts student.
That should be: "The ELF (Earth Liberation Front) has claimed irresponsibility ..."
The Sun causes more proven cancer from radiation than any other device known to man. Nuke the Sun!
Gotta love the US of A. Some countries have infrastructure damaged by their own citizens that are communist militants, or islamic militants, or ethnic separatists...
Here, the Revolutionary Crackpot Army destroys nearly-obsolete means of communication. That's just surreal! And then people don't understand why I think that America has gone a tiny bit out of touch with reality.
Also, the claims that AM waves are harmful is, what, 80 years old? This has been debunked before these Revolutionary Crackpots were even born. Plus AM is at the lowest-energy end of the radio spectrum; if there's anything to worry about at all, it would be the microwave radiation that drives cell phone communications. I really wonder whether the people who toppled that tower own any cell phones, and what their opinion is on financially sponsoring corporations that dot the landscape with powerful microwave sources.
Lucky that I don't believe people cell phone towers expose people to harmful radiation levels because I'm living right next to onargggggglllll#@$%)^*&
We the people of Washington State militantly demand the highest quality intercom performance in the world! No matter who gets in our way
Yes, and anyone with a bit of sense doesn't fucking support PETA either! They're worse than the damn ELF!
'ELF' at least limits their harm to property, whereas PETA constantly harms animals, and them reaching their goal in life would end up with cows dying all over the place and people having to shoot feral cats and dogs.
And, perhaps more to the point, 'ELF' does not actually exist. There is no organization named 'ELF' that goes around doing things. There is a 'press office' that supposedly reprints messages from them, but there is no actual 'them', there is just a bunch of people doing whatever they want.
If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
I thought a lot of eco-terrorists were rich bored college students.
If that applies to this lot then they should demand a refund on their tuition because they clearly aren't well educated!
If they had blown up a nuclear reactor, or stolen a nuclear submarine. But no, they had to show their power in vandalizing an AM tower. What next? FM! That and they probably tootled off to microwave a late night snack after their efforts.
XLR isn't about the stereo or the speakers, it's all about recording the sound. Once you have the sound on your computer/amp/mixer whatever when you output it to the speakers it's a simple 2 conductor operation (banana plug, bare wire,1/4" cable etc.) To get started with XLR you need:
1. Mic that uses XLR connector, a really good mic is the SURE 57. (about $100)
2. Mic preamp. Almost all preamps use XLR, some mixers have preamps built into them. (another $50 at least)
3. Something to record on. I'm guessing you're using a computer.
There are specialized sound cards made just for recording, they start pretty cheap ($100 e.g.: emu), but you won't get an XLR input on a sound card for less than $200, if you're happy using your mic preamp and going into the balanced 1/4" a $100 card you can still get a very good recording, but really you should have XLR inputs on the card itself so it's "XLR" ([sic]eXtremly Low Resistance) all the way to the card. And then there's the software. I like Sonar. Some people like cubebase, even others like fruity loops and if you have a mac there is the ubiquitous pro tools. Really you're looking at spending about $300 for the whole setup, and then you can finally get rid of that stupid hum. Don't forget, if you have an electric guitar/bass that you will need to shield the pickups using some a-foil around the wires pots and any crossovers etc. that may be contain electrical pathways. Also, make sure you've attached your bridge to the ground wire so it grounds on your fingers.
Here are some low cost pro sound cards:
http://www.emu.com/
http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?ID=recording&do=products.family
Let's turn it over to Ferris at the Irony Desk. Ferris.
Thanks, Cameron. The ELF activists have just taken down a radio tower in the name of the environment. Now the broadcast company will replace the tower. Undoubtedly they will utilize construction and transportation methods that the ELF won't like. Their efforts to protect the environment will only act as the catalyst for more harm to be done to the environment that would not have happened if they left the tower alone. Back to you, Cameron.
Heroscape, it's like legos combined with anachronistic wargames.
... and wondered what we've gone and done to piss of the elves so badly.
Have gnu, will travel.
Ah! So that's what was happening... On my last laptop I could hear something at the very limits of my hearing at times. For a while I thought I was just going crazy, until I recognized a radio commercial. The paranoid in me wanted to start claiming that the government was letting advertisers use their brain control radio waves, but I decided that since my laptop had crummy EM isolation (to the point that it'd shock me if my hands were damp) it was probably just picking up AM radio somehow. I'm a bit glad to know for sure that my first two hypothesis are unlikely. The exact equipment in question was a Sony Vaio PCG-GRT360ZG with some ER-6i canalphones.
We aren't talking about a professional recording setup that had a little bit of hum or AM pickup. We're talking about basic amplified computer speakers and a normal computer. XLR gear is expensive; I doubt there exists a set of inexpensive amplified speakers with an XLR input, or an inexpensive sound card with an XLR output (which wouldn't even fit in the standard PCI slot opening), let alone an inexpensive motherboard with onboard audio with XLR output.
We're talking about a level of interference that meant it was annoying to use the speakers at all, not one that was merely slightly degrading high end audio quality. We're also talking about a college student who had no budget to spend on the problem, and wouldn't have been interested in high end audio gear even if he did. Nicer speakers, perhaps, but not recording studio gear. So, I diagnosed a ground loop as a possible explanation, told him to carefully rearrange his cables, and he did. The problem went from highly annoying to just barely perceptible. Sometimes the right solution to offer someone isn't the one that has them throw out all their gear and buy expensive stuff that they really don't need.
Personally, I go for the in between solution. I'm of the opinion that the inside of a computer case, with its myriad switching supplies that aren't designed for their audio performance, is a horrible place to work with analog audio signals, whether they leave the case by minijack or XLR. I have a sound card with optical digital outputs, and an amp with optical inputs. No ground loop, no stupid problems from putting sensitive analog stuff where it shouldn't be, and vastly cheaper than serious recording gear I don't need or care to pay for.
they're practically green anarchists.
As an anarchist, I demand that you retract the slanderous attack you just made by associating anarchy with the ELF.
"targeting civilians with violence (not check)."
One of ELF's favourtie tactics is driving metal spikes into trees so that when a logger tries to cut the tree down the chain on the chain saw breaks and injures the logger.
Burning AM towers alone may not people, but ELF has injured plenty of civilians in the past.
I wonder how many furry little animals got cancer from the toxins emitted in the form of smoke?
Facepalm.
Headphones probably didn't create a ground loop; there isn't exactly a loop to be found in the wiring. However, that's far from the only way for AM radios to be picked up. Various forms of input nonlinearities will rectify AM and let it sneak into the output. The solution is likely the ferrite cores mentioned by the GP post.
Please tell me this is some sort of April fools joke...?
ELF hasn't committed any criminal acts that have been noteworthy as of late. Not that any of them were any good, although the entire car lot destruction of cars and setting them ablaze is pretty cool.
But an AM tower destruction? Do people listen to AM other than church sycophants and crazies or to hear traffic directions/problems. Seems kind of irrelevant other than the waste of money it will cost to bring those towers back up. ELF is just an obnoxious bunch of cowards, radio signals really don't cause that much problems for anyone. Besides those who actually are at the station, but it couldn't hurt that many people. And really, home phones and intercoms? hahahaha, that's a lame excuse.
-=Right after the AM tower fell=-
ELF member #1: Uh, so what's our reason for downing this tower anyway?
ELF member #2: Radio waves cause cancer. Oh and it harms animals. Definitely animals.
ELF member #1: Sounds good, what else though? We need something to close our argument.
ELF member #3: It disrupts home phones and.. and... intercoms! Intercoms are really important!
ELF member #1: Perfect! I'm writing this to all news stations. Hopefully it gets noticed by a Slashdotter.
That's definitely how it ended. That's how those idiots figured out what to say reasons were for taking down an AM tower, fucking retards.
... after all they "FEL'ed" the tower didn't they?
The method they used to stop KRKO emission has been very questionable (to be politically correct), however there is some sound evidence of the fact that radio frequency can be harmful to health. It is well known that ham radio activities increase the risk for leukemia. So having a trasmitting antenna in the backyard seems to be no good.
I used to dismiss the Brady Bunch episode where Jan's braces picked up a radio station. But now it seems plausible.
Entirely so. It has to do with small gaps acting as rectifiers.
An old ham radio operator friend of mine was working a ham in Japan one day from his truck which was parked at Fort Point in San Francisco. When he finished, a woman walked over to his truck and asked if he'd been speaking to someone in Japan. He admitted it was so. She told him that she had heard only his side of the conversation in her fillings, but gathered that the other person was in Japan from the content of that one side.
It looks like the feminists will claim that one.
The Vandals did more than just sack cities you know. When someone steals something, do you still say they 'gyped' you?, when someone is unwilling to spend freely, do you call them a jew? Still make polish jokes implying they are stupid?
Y'know, I can almost respect them for torching SUVs
Yep, standard issue American hysteria.
Hey guys, look at my new Ford Explorer, it's awsum. "Breaking news, SUVs are destroying the climate". OMG, we're all gonna die! Quick, let's torch all SUVs and hang their owners high!! It's the only way we can survive! OMGOMGOMG!!!
You just got troll'd!
"This is why we need truly nonpolitical academic institutions"
"This is why we need truly nonpolitical academic institutions"
"This is why we need truly nonpolitical academic institutions"
If anything, be it the FBI, ELF, the tower's neighboring annoyed humans, reading these comments one thing is clear, "exposure" to opinions, facts and possibilities. However, cancer causing chemicals that we ingest, bath in and wear are far more hazardous to life forms and the environment. It is just not exciting media material. Who wants to join a group that takes action against Johnson & Johnson by writing âoeCancerâ with a red sharpie shampoo bottles in shops? Too much effort and no cool undercover operation. Thanks FBI and ELF for distracting us from these more real threats that we willingly expose ourselves to in the name of progress.
Their rants have personally caused me hair loss, so I feel the need to destroy their property to send a message to the world.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Forgive this "Old Fart" (63 years old in October),
I've been in 'radio/electronics' since I was 12 years old, 50+ years. As carbon-based enities, we ALL emit "energy"....protons, neutrons,electrons. So, what's the deal? Is ELF going to come "chop me up", because my body emits energy? These nut-case,
Obama "terrorist" need to be locked up in a very deep, dark, dank, wet hole and never allowed to see daylight until the World
ends. I'll bet they're some of Van Jones group..."Commie Terrorist For A Better World".
Electric lines in your house, as well as high-tension power lines all produce a magnetic field, all sorts of radios from VLF to SHF
frequencies emit radio (magnetic) waves. I'm an Amateur (Ham) radio operator, I have been for several decades. I use Morse
Code on 160 meters (1800 to 2000 kHz) or (1.8 to 2.0 MHz) and run a power level of 1,500 watts. My radio and amplifier are
within 3 feet of me. Yet, I don't have "cancer", I don't "glow-in-the-dark" and I don't have any unusual body parts.
ELF's members are so full of *hit, they're eyes ought to be "brown", LOL!
these guys are tards, they tried to blow up the forestry building on Michigan Technological University's campus about 10 or 11 years ago. They filled 55 gallon drums with gasoline and put detonators on them to blow up a building that trains environmental officers and forestry management officers I don't see what kind of tard logic comes up with this idea to save the wilderness.
Well, I use to live next door to a radio station. I would pick up their signal whenever I turned on my computer's speakers.
They did rid the region of one more crappy, mind-numbing AM station
(fart-joke morning guys, "your 24/7 traffic copter" and possibly even C&W music),
so there is something to be said for that.
Just saying...
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
, so, accordingly, an important step in the process is to NOTIFY the timber company and the media as soon as the spikes are in place. This is pretty clearly spelled out in "Ecodefense" and other literature of the radical environmental movement. The idea is to keep the trees standing, not to exact some kind of revenge against the loggers or sawmill operators.
If the loggers cut the trees after they have been warned about spikes, any injuries are their responsibility, not the spiker's.
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Any Vegetarian/Vegan" who wants to blow things up can do so, and spray paint some BS about "ELF was here!
Replace 'Vegetarian/Vegan' by 'Muslim extremist' and 'ELF' by 'Al Qaeda' and it's still true.
If the loggers cut the trees after they have been warned about spikes, any injuries are their responsibility, not the spiker's.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, or have a seriously fucked up sense of morality and responsibility.
Read "The word for world is forest" by Ursula K. LeGuin
And since we have so much power to change it and destroy it,
it is incumbent on us to learn enough about it to know why it would be
wise to conserve eco-systems in all their bio-diversity.
I am surprised how many ignoramuses there are on this topic
on this forum.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. We are all constantly
bombarded with industrial-commercial status quo propaganda
encouraging consumerism and telling you everything is great,
as long as you are driving a big enough truck.
Here's a news flash:
You are living on first nations land for which no just compensation
was given.
You deny this for your own psychological protection.
Your culture is destroying many of the eco-systems of Earth.
You deny this for your own psychological protection.
Food distribution is a big factor, as are agricultural pollution and the side-effects of changing the use of land from non-cropland to cropland or from one type of crop or crop rotation to another.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
If I oppose something, then I can knock it down with a bulldozer and I'm doing some sort of "societal good."
I also learned elsewhere that it is acceptable to pay someone under the table to commit acts of violence that I can attribute to my opponents.
And I learned elsewhere that sabotage, especially sabotage which threatens the lives of workers--like nails in a tree, for example--is a completely acceptable form of protest. Especially if someone gets hurt.
And ultimately I learned that the ends does not justify the means, unless I really really support the ends. Thus getting a gun to defend myself and my property is bad, unless I'm a tree hugger or support President Obama's policies on health care.
This whole "pursuit of the truth" and "loyal opposition" thing is so overrated.
Maybe the control rooms had special shielding?
Table-ized A.I.
She better be careful, the RIAA is gonna tax her mouth.
Table-ized A.I.
So are you suggesting that if a logging company is warned that trees are spiked, and knowingly sends a crew in to cut them down anyway, that they aren't responsible for their workers getting injured?
If the loggers cut the trees after they have been warned about spikes, any injuries are their responsibility, not the spiker's.
If you lock your doors after I announce my intention to enter your home and take your TV, the damage to your door is your responsibility, not mine.
"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."; ~ Donald J. Trump
If you lock your doors after I announce my intention to enter your home and take your TV, the damage to your door is your responsibility, not mine.
Bad analogy.
In your scenario, the illegal action (burglary) doesn't take place until after the warning is given. The call is apparently being made in an effort to facilitate the crime (leave the door open or we will have to break in).
In the case of tree spiking, the action has already taken place when the call is made. The purpose of the call is to prevent any injuries from occurring, and ensure that the trees are left standing (the reason for placing the spikes in the first place).
If you hit back, the ref will penalize the second guy, not the one who started it.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
Since when the hell did we right wingers get confused with the Earth Liberation Front? We are far too busy torturing Muslims, driving SUVs, dodging the tax code, executing a vast conspiracy, shooting assault weapons, and eating red meat to clarify that the Earth Liberation Front is a band of commie tree huggers. Now that I have made this clarification, allow me to go back to eating my rare tenderloin steak and washing it down with a bottle of scotch worth more than your house.
Y'know, I can almost respect them for torching SUVs - If the government won't tell people "No, you may not drive a vehicle that presents a significant danger* to everyone else on the road, without special training for the appropriate license class", then perhaps fear of having their car burn down one night kept at least a few people driving more realistic vehicles.
Please think more carefully.
You condone ideological crime? Because the government fails you, it is fair to fix the situation by yourself?
One thing that you should think is, how are you sure you are right? You are basically forcing your opinion on others.
This type of thinking, in a far greater scale, leads to the current situation of Africa - a humanitarian disaster largely caused by marxist guerrillas, radical islamic guerrillas and other people who take matters on their hands because the government fails them.
By the way, I too dislike SUVs and I ride a bicycle.
>>>an important step in the process is to NOTIFY the timber company
By that logic Bin Laden is not a terrorist because he NOTIFIED us that we should leave the Arabian Peninsula alone, or else. In fact he notified us before he bombed the NYC trade center's basement. He notified us before he destroyed the OKC federal building (suspected but not proven), and before the USS Cole bombing. It's not his fault we did not listen. /end sarcasm
What the ELF is doing with tree-spiking sounds dangerous to people, even if they do notify the companies. If I'm 100 feet in the area and suddenly my saw hits a spike and the chain snaps, if I don't get hurt it will be pure luck. I will blame the ELF.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
We have a responsibility to take care of the earth and that includes animals, but if we put animal life above human life, who's going to take care of things?
No good deed goes unpunished. - Avon, Blake's 7
I think that nut who knocked the tower down deserves a lot of respect. He truly is a hero.
He risked his life to knock the tower down. He may die of cancer now. At least he did the entirety of society some good.