The quote "You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs" means that you cannot always keep everyone happy.
I added to this to say that I was sick of finding spam (the food kind) in my omlette as a play on TFA which is all about spam (the junk kind) - which in the end means that if I was going to have some unhappy campers in this entire picture, I would choose the ones who are sending all the spam (the junk kind).
Geez, next time I will just use a car analogy.
You can't make an omlette without breaking eggs. I for one, and sick of finding spam in my omlette.
When you are breaking the rules, you can't complain when someone takes your toys away. I feel utterly zero pity/sadness/whatever in regards to this. As far as I am concerned, spammers are at the utter bottom of the food chain. Damned plankton eaters.
Colonel Sandurz: Prepare ship for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seatbelts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the three ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo!
You need to consider more than one side of an argument if you are a supreme court judge?
That sounds positively un-american if you ask me. I was pretty sure it's just about following what te president wants? Abortion, defense, environment, all seems to be "Commander In Chief! Sir! Yes Sir!"
That's the view that I am getting from outside the US anyhow. No offense.
From my view, now the person who got to rent it for a smaller fee before gets to "rent" it for free. You get the majority of the content there. To me, it just sounds like a glorified Demo, except it's not really a demo, it's the majority of the game. The "demo" part that covers the last bit will be the part you pay for.
I bought Rome a while back. It wasn't a AAA title, but I still paid $69.95Aus for it. That's a reasonably hefty whack of coin, for something that I played three levels of and then thought was rubbish. I would have much preferred to get through three levels of free content then decided the game was shithouse rather than having to learn that at the cost of $70.
Either way, on in twenty iPhones and one in ten blackberry's? That's disgraceful. Could you imagine if one in ten intel chips failed within their first year? How about one in ten hard drives? How about one in ten cars/planes/boats?
On a slightly more serious note, find a nice MMO and go help noobs. Or get vanity pets. Or vanity items. Actually just open up a warcraft account - Soon you will be wondering where all that time you had went and you won't have to kill much. Well, sort of. I hear you can do a lot standing outside a bank these days.
Hmmm, I wonder if there is an aftermarket for the ones you didn't use. I am sure that there would be some nerds out there willing to pay you a discount rate for the remainder:)
Yeah? Try logging onto World of Warcraft without either running into gold farmers or getting whispers with prices of the latest susanexpress offer. I think those quantum ghost imaging things are already there, just that the folks in China beat us to it.
Pffft, before you go jumping up on all the other countries who would want this info, given the current foreign policy of the US, I wouldn't at all be surprised it they weren't both hacked by inside sources - just to make them THINK it was another country "wanting to invade the proud US of A".
I mean seriously, all those paranoid big chiefs sitting in powerful seats within government organizations? They have careers to protect. Why not make whoever gets into power fearful of the "outside world and it's dangers" before they even get into office? Sure would help get their policy in line with the policy of aforementioned big chiefs in government seats.
Or both incumbent providers who together control almost all the cable in the ground could, you know, collude anticompetitively to both have terrible caps, and get away with it.
Going by what has happened in Australia on which I am basing these arguments, that won't happen. All the paranoia in the world won't make it true.
Have you heard of iTunes? How about Netflix's online offerings?
I think that the utter vast majority of people using legal data will fall well under the limits here. However, my point is that if you are finding that your current provider has not got plans that offer enough data, you can CHANGE provider to someone that offers a heck of a lot more. Australia is quite a ways behind other parts of the world in regards to broadband, but I can still choose between at least five MAJOR providers, and likely fifteen more medium sized ones without any hassles.
My argument today is that it peaked and we're going to be paying more in the future for less.
Why on earth would technology start getting more expensive?
Ha, if you're lucky enough to have two choices and not just one!
Surely you are kidding? Where are all your ISPs? Sounds like it's a fantastic market for companies to jump in and offer reasonable services for reasonable prices with almost no competition? Like I said before, I have around twenty ISPs all vying for my patronage, I find it hard to believe that it would be different there?
Hey, net neutrality has nothing to do with download limits. Net Neutrality means that your ISP sends you any packets of data that you want in the same manner - no matter the source or the type.
Download limits themselves have nothing to do with net neutrality, they have to do with ISP's trying to make more money. Plain and simple. They are trying to weed out the super high bandwidth users. To answer your points (without the need for screaming caps):
1) Yes, actually there is something that says these limits won't shrink. It's called competition. One company tries to squeeze more and more out and their limits go down. Another company sees a potential to turn a dollar and offers higher caps for the same price making a lower margin but possibly making more money as a company.
2) What about HD? I watch HD tv through either cable or free TV - neither of which come through my internet connection. If you are talking about downloading bittorrents of HD content, then I dare say for the most part that is illegal and therefore can't be used as an valid argument to an ISP.
3) Yes, I use a heck of a lot more than I did ten years ago - and you know what, I pay a heck of a lot less for internet now than I did ten years ago. See point 1. Competition. Australia has always been behind in terms of broadband connections, and I recall around ten years ago when I got my first adsl connection at 128k. That was hot for those days. I don't even recall what my limits were back then, but it couldn't have been much. I also recall paying around $100 a month for it. Since then it has gotten cheaper and cheaper and faster and faster and better and better. See where this is leading?
HELLO?? No, "normal content" is not "filtered/slowed/capped"-- it's BILLED TO YOU AT A DEAR COST.
I totally don't get this point. Of course it's billed. It was billed to you at cost prior to being metered. Your internet wasn't free then was it? You have always paid for data, now you are just being told that if you go over a really high limit, they might have to cut your data back to keep their profit margins. Welcome to capitalism.
I have no problem with partners offering "unmetered downloads" as long as normal content is not filtered/slowed/capped in any way. This is the case in most aussie ISP's already. Anything off Telstra is free for telstra users, optus offers a bunch of stuff, Internode (my ISP) provides a stack of free content - even premium di.fm at no charge or data cost for example.
This is all net neutral im my books - until they start capping p2p for example (Hello tpg.com.au).
Hey, for all you American's, this is almost like saying "Welcome to Australia mate!" except your internet is probably still cheaper than ours. On the upside at least our ISP's now generally advertise just how much data you get with your plan - and generally if you go over, you don't get billed, but it gets throttled to a 64kb line.
Going with the change of topic from subatomic particles to human influence/lack of on the environment (I take bait easily enough)
Have you ever driven through the countryside and seen those big long white tent looking things? They are called greenhouses. They have lots of plants living in them. They are generally substantially warmer than the area they are built in. This is because they retain heat. Opening a window at the top of the greenhouse will dramatically lower the temperature almost immediately.
From the wiki:
This warms the air near the ground, and this air is prevented from rising and flowing away. This can be demonstrated by opening a small window near the roof of a greenhouse: the temperature drops considerably.
Now, be convinced that man is contributing to the warming of the planet by adding carbon to the atmosphere at an alarming rate.
In short:
1) Stop hijacking threads.
2) Open your eyes to man's influence on the climate.
3) Accept that we are screwing the earth, not some "magical background radiation".
4) Take steps to reduce YOUR impact. Recycle, use clean energy, be selective with your purchases.
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Yes, exactly. To do a greater good, in this case we need to get a little vigilante about it and bust some eggs or in this case... SPAM companies.
I am so totally going with a car next time.
Fine, explanation time:
The quote "You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs" means that you cannot always keep everyone happy.
I added to this to say that I was sick of finding spam (the food kind) in my omlette as a play on TFA which is all about spam (the junk kind) - which in the end means that if I was going to have some unhappy campers in this entire picture, I would choose the ones who are sending all the spam (the junk kind). Geez, next time I will just use a car analogy.
I for one welcome our new urine based overlords!
You can't make an omlette without breaking eggs. I for one, and sick of finding spam in my omlette.
When you are breaking the rules, you can't complain when someone takes your toys away. I feel utterly zero pity/sadness/whatever in regards to this. As far as I am concerned, spammers are at the utter bottom of the food chain. Damned plankton eaters.
I would agree but damn near every comment is someone disagreeing with the previous one.
No they're not!
Shhhh!
We make TV for all those sad lonely people to STOP them going out and having sex! Stop planting ideas in their heads to go take away our wemmin!
Colonel Sandurz: Prepare ship for ludicrous speed! Fasten all seatbelts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the three ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo!
You need to consider more than one side of an argument if you are a supreme court judge?
That sounds positively un-american if you ask me. I was pretty sure it's just about following what te president wants? Abortion, defense, environment, all seems to be "Commander In Chief! Sir! Yes Sir!"
That's the view that I am getting from outside the US anyhow. No offense.
Not much will change.
From my view, now the person who got to rent it for a smaller fee before gets to "rent" it for free. You get the majority of the content there. To me, it just sounds like a glorified Demo, except it's not really a demo, it's the majority of the game. The "demo" part that covers the last bit will be the part you pay for.
I bought Rome a while back. It wasn't a AAA title, but I still paid $69.95Aus for it. That's a reasonably hefty whack of coin, for something that I played three levels of and then thought was rubbish. I would have much preferred to get through three levels of free content then decided the game was shithouse rather than having to learn that at the cost of $70.
Either way, on in twenty iPhones and one in ten blackberry's? That's disgraceful. Could you imagine if one in ten intel chips failed within their first year? How about one in ten hard drives? How about one in ten cars/planes/boats?
Team Tetris?
On a slightly more serious note, find a nice MMO and go help noobs. Or get vanity pets. Or vanity items. Actually just open up a warcraft account - Soon you will be wondering where all that time you had went and you won't have to kill much. Well, sort of. I hear you can do a lot standing outside a bank these days.
Wow, so much amusement in that list. Rate that up as informative!!
You should have replied in a /. friendly car analogy instead of using some mumbo jumbo about melting sand to make glass.
Sheesh!
Hmmm, I wonder if there is an aftermarket for the ones you didn't use. I am sure that there would be some nerds out there willing to pay you a discount rate for the remainder :)
I noticed when trying to go to Google that my router was hijacking DNS and sent me to a website trying to sell me a software subscription.
Sheesh, have I had too much coffee this morning, or was it just missed? :)
Yeah? Try logging onto World of Warcraft without either running into gold farmers or getting whispers with prices of the latest susanexpress offer. I think those quantum ghost imaging things are already there, just that the folks in China beat us to it.
Pffft, before you go jumping up on all the other countries who would want this info, given the current foreign policy of the US, I wouldn't at all be surprised it they weren't both hacked by inside sources - just to make them THINK it was another country "wanting to invade the proud US of A".
I mean seriously, all those paranoid big chiefs sitting in powerful seats within government organizations? They have careers to protect. Why not make whoever gets into power fearful of the "outside world and it's dangers" before they even get into office? Sure would help get their policy in line with the policy of aforementioned big chiefs in government seats.
Well, I for one welcome our new SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED overlords!
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Or both incumbent providers who together control almost all the cable in the ground could, you know, collude anticompetitively to both have terrible caps, and get away with it.
Going by what has happened in Australia on which I am basing these arguments, that won't happen. All the paranoia in the world won't make it true.
Have you heard of iTunes? How about Netflix's online offerings?
I think that the utter vast majority of people using legal data will fall well under the limits here. However, my point is that if you are finding that your current provider has not got plans that offer enough data, you can CHANGE provider to someone that offers a heck of a lot more. Australia is quite a ways behind other parts of the world in regards to broadband, but I can still choose between at least five MAJOR providers, and likely fifteen more medium sized ones without any hassles.
My argument today is that it peaked and we're going to be paying more in the future for less.
Why on earth would technology start getting more expensive?
Ha, if you're lucky enough to have two choices and not just one!
Surely you are kidding? Where are all your ISPs? Sounds like it's a fantastic market for companies to jump in and offer reasonable services for reasonable prices with almost no competition? Like I said before, I have around twenty ISPs all vying for my patronage, I find it hard to believe that it would be different there?
Download limits themselves have nothing to do with net neutrality, they have to do with ISP's trying to make more money. Plain and simple. They are trying to weed out the super high bandwidth users. To answer your points (without the need for screaming caps):
1) Yes, actually there is something that says these limits won't shrink. It's called competition. One company tries to squeeze more and more out and their limits go down. Another company sees a potential to turn a dollar and offers higher caps for the same price making a lower margin but possibly making more money as a company.
2) What about HD? I watch HD tv through either cable or free TV - neither of which come through my internet connection. If you are talking about downloading bittorrents of HD content, then I dare say for the most part that is illegal and therefore can't be used as an valid argument to an ISP.
3) Yes, I use a heck of a lot more than I did ten years ago - and you know what, I pay a heck of a lot less for internet now than I did ten years ago. See point 1. Competition. Australia has always been behind in terms of broadband connections, and I recall around ten years ago when I got my first adsl connection at 128k. That was hot for those days. I don't even recall what my limits were back then, but it couldn't have been much. I also recall paying around $100 a month for it. Since then it has gotten cheaper and cheaper and faster and faster and better and better. See where this is leading?
HELLO?? No, "normal content" is not "filtered/slowed/capped"-- it's BILLED TO YOU AT A DEAR COST.
I totally don't get this point. Of course it's billed. It was billed to you at cost prior to being metered. Your internet wasn't free then was it? You have always paid for data, now you are just being told that if you go over a really high limit, they might have to cut your data back to keep their profit margins. Welcome to capitalism.
I have no problem with partners offering "unmetered downloads" as long as normal content is not filtered/slowed/capped in any way. This is the case in most aussie ISP's already. Anything off Telstra is free for telstra users, optus offers a bunch of stuff, Internode (my ISP) provides a stack of free content - even premium di.fm at no charge or data cost for example.
This is all net neutral im my books - until they start capping p2p for example (Hello tpg.com.au).
Hey, for all you American's, this is almost like saying "Welcome to Australia mate!" except your internet is probably still cheaper than ours. On the upside at least our ISP's now generally advertise just how much data you get with your plan - and generally if you go over, you don't get billed, but it gets throttled to a 64kb line.
Nothing to do with net neutrality as long as you meter all traffic the same way.
Oh, one more.
5) Stop pissing off environmentalists like me with your "maybe it's not us..." rhetoric.
Have you ever driven through the countryside and seen those big long white tent looking things? They are called greenhouses. They have lots of plants living in them. They are generally substantially warmer than the area they are built in. This is because they retain heat. Opening a window at the top of the greenhouse will dramatically lower the temperature almost immediately.
From the wiki:
This warms the air near the ground, and this air is prevented from rising and flowing away. This can be demonstrated by opening a small window near the roof of a greenhouse: the temperature drops considerably.
Now. If we add carbon particles to the atmosphere, it acts to trap the heat reflected off the planet.
Now, be convinced that man is contributing to the warming of the planet by adding carbon to the atmosphere at an alarming rate.
In short:
1) Stop hijacking threads.
2) Open your eyes to man's influence on the climate.
3) Accept that we are screwing the earth, not some "magical background radiation".
4) Take steps to reduce YOUR impact. Recycle, use clean energy, be selective with your purchases.