At this point the choices are RedHat Enterprise (RHEL) and SuSE (SLES). Both products are from fine companies, come with infrequent releases, semi-regular updates, and support just like the main line UNIX operating systems.
Customers tend toward the bright side, many with UNIX experience and some with Linux too. Expectation can be that we would see something that is supported as "enterprise" yet patched with lightning speed as many products you find in Open Source. Expectation that any and all hardware in the "enterprise" realm is well supported, tested, and works just as it expected be in (for example) a Sparc archictecture system.
Who knows what happy medium is? It is not reasonable for a vendor to provide enterprise class support for something that gets patched overnight on a regular basis. Yet some customers expect both.
Second quarter profit 1.3 Billion. See http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quart ers/2005/q2.html "HP had a solid quarter," said Mark Hurd, HP chief executive officer and president. "We grew revenue 7%, non-GAAP earnings per share rose 9% and we generated $2.4 billion in cash flow from operations.
Microsoft is continuing a legacy, a legacy that dates back at least to the days of windoze 3. Remember how it would not install if it found the computer was running (shreik) DR-dos?
Just more intentional brokenness from micro$oft!
Don't they have enough brokenness that they need not put any in intentionally?
Sure you have to have rules. But if some bureau rat is going to insist that you conform to some rule or law, it is incumbent on him to be able produce a copy or a citation of said rule. This secrecy is baloney, the stuff that tyrrany is built from.
Not much to add there. It has been about that long since I did my first Slackware install (and nuked my wife's msdog in the process). I am sure the partition loss was my fault as a newbie. Linux ultimately prevailed and her systems have been without mickey soft for years now.
Best wishes Pat!
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Groan.
Sorry I lack mod points crawdad, or you would have them for funny!
The "OS/2 way togo" was long before WordPerfect sold out to Novell. In that time frame, m$ was busy stringing IBM along and they had WPCorp believing that OS/2 was the way.
By the time that deception became clear, WPCorp rushed to put out 5.1 for windoze. I saw beta and some later versions and they stank.
DOS versions 5.1, 6, and 6.1 were and still are fantastic products and of course they are fine in DOSemu.
This thing is a gross waste. What silliness we go thru just to use windoze! The dumb terminal example is certainly viable. I learned on such a beast. It was a 386 and it was running (gag) SCO Unix and had 6 or 8 terminals with an appropriate number of students all compiling and using emacs.
For a modern equivalent we just use a cheap system with linux of *BSD and use it as an Xserver thereby letting more than one user use one Linux system with no extra cost or licensing or anything but a network.
Seriously, all the managers sit around making PP presentations and they have Clippy to help them get it done. They have all the spiffy canned art to make it look slick. They even can make it talk with Agent characters so the bored victims will have something to laugh at.
Where is creativity in word processing? Certainly not in m$word because it is still a pile and has always been inferior to WordPerfect. But these days most communication is done via e-mail.
That means that talented communicators will express themselves with only text. Un-talented people will resort to HTML or RTF to try to get their point across. Comes across usually to/dev/null if it reaches me!
Know what this reminds me of? Bruce Bastian assured a bunch of us years ago that new WordPerfect product for the Mac would rock. Fine I got it and tried it. Until that day I had never seen a Mac crash. The product got about an hour and one support call before it went back to its maker.
If WordPerfect could crash an otherwise rock solid Mac, what to you think M$ can do for linux!
I have only been trying for 4 or 5 years to get something better than POTS from Verizon. Live in service area of a CO that is one outside of Austin metro. Answer?
No, no, no! No DSL, no ISDN, just forget it. I will be taking my eternal dirt nap before Verizon brings me any fiber.
Nostalgia my foot. Late (circa 1992) 5.1 or 6.0 or 6.1 for DOS are all fine products. Run in graphics mode if you like, but I use them in text mode as always. All of that in DOSemu on my current linux system. Graphics preview works like it always did (except faster and in a window). When they say I "must" use powerpoint, I use WordPerfect for DOS instead. Use TEK ps driver then ps2pdf and everybody can read.
Corel took my money for the "Full" distro but I think I will not be wasting more.
Enhancement request! In the super wal-mart are a zillion cameras. Take a look some time. Fix this thing up so it will send directions on how to find my wife in the place and we will have something!
Yes it once was a fine product. About 6 patches into 5.1 version (1992) it got to be really mellow. Then they put out 6.0 and Novell came forth with 6.1 which does just fine in DOSemu. I still use it just that way. Print postscript to a file and use ps2pdf on it.
Now any current versions are another story. I never could stand any gui version of WordPerfect. That DOS version will stick with you though, and beats M$ product.
Snotty? I don't think so. We have kde. On systems where I have adequate resources I use it. On cpu | memory challenged systems I usually pick ICEwm because that KDE stuff is a bit heavy.
junkymailbox is correct. Kermit is a fantastic product and has been ported to just about every platform imaginable. In the hands of a knowledgeable user, it can communicate where other tools wither. Support your friendly Kermit project!
Agreed this is the finest cheap pen you can find. Approximately a buck each in 8-12 package at Sam's club. It just works and works a long time. Nice clip fits in the olde pocket protector.
Indeed. Underscores why m$word files should not be used on the web, besides the compatibility issues.
A few years ago when I took my last job, the job offer came in m$word format. Lacking the correct product, I used strings(1) on it to see what it said and was able to see 4 or 5 previous offers to 4 or 5 previous candidates. When I learned what my offer really said and expressed disappointment to my headhunter, I was able to get a better starting bonus. Very nice.
Here is a good link! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/produc tinfo/o verview/default.asp
Note that fine debugger down at the bottom of the page along with the other tools: " tools such as make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, strip, gbd, as well..."
That would be your basic gbd debugger! Or is it GameBoy Developer kit?
Now "federally mandated that "Basic Cable" be 100% free" sounds like a socialist idea just like the silliness from National Propaganda Radio. What gives you the right to expect other people to pay for your cable?
Also note that the "great penetration of cable" completely ignores the overwhelming majority of territory -- that huge expanse in which not many people live, outside of metropolitian areas where cable is feasible. Want it or not, ready to pay or not, out here miles from nearest town we will not be getting any cable, or DSL or even ISDN!
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Did someone read the calendar wrong?
This is 1 August, not 1 April!
At this point the choices are RedHat Enterprise (RHEL) and SuSE (SLES). Both products are from fine companies, come with infrequent releases, semi-regular updates, and support just like the main line UNIX operating systems.
Customers tend toward the bright side, many with UNIX experience and some with Linux too. Expectation can be that we would see something that is supported as "enterprise" yet patched with lightning speed as many products you find in Open Source. Expectation that any and all hardware in the "enterprise" realm is well supported, tested, and works just as it expected be in (for example) a Sparc archictecture system.
Who knows what happy medium is? It is not reasonable for a vendor to provide enterprise class support for something that gets patched overnight on a regular basis. Yet some customers expect both.
Second quarter profit 1.3 Billion. See http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quart ers/2005/q2.html "HP had a solid quarter," said Mark Hurd, HP chief executive officer and president. "We grew revenue 7%, non-GAAP earnings per share rose 9% and we generated $2.4 billion in cash flow from operations.
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First quarter profit 1.3 Billion. See http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/investor/financials/quar
Tell me please. If it is making over a billion per quarter in profit, why will they fire people who made it happen?
Reeling from Carly? Ha! What do you think of this storyy offs/2100-7341_3-5715548.html about massive layoffs at HP? Seems Carly only sharpened the knives; Hurd intends to use.
http://news.com.com/Analysts+expect+massive+HP+la
Microsoft is continuing a legacy, a legacy that dates back at least to the days of windoze 3. Remember how it would not install if it found the computer was running (shreik) DR-dos?
- Just more intentional brokenness from micro$oft!
Don't they have enough brokenness that they need not put any in intentionally?Sure you have to have rules. But if some bureau rat is going to insist that you conform to some rule or law, it is incumbent on him to be able produce a copy or a citation of said rule. This secrecy is baloney, the stuff that tyrrany is built from.
Not much to add there. It has been about that long since I did my first Slackware install (and nuked my wife's msdog in the process). I am sure the partition loss was my fault as a newbie. Linux ultimately prevailed and her systems have been without mickey soft for years now.
Best wishes Pat!
Groan.
Sorry I lack mod points crawdad, or you would have them for funny!
The "OS/2 way togo" was long before WordPerfect sold out to Novell. In that time frame, m$ was busy stringing IBM along and they had WPCorp believing that OS/2 was the way.
By the time that deception became clear, WPCorp rushed to put out 5.1 for windoze. I saw beta and some later versions and they stank.
DOS versions 5.1, 6, and 6.1 were and still are fantastic products and of course they are fine in DOSemu.
This thing is a gross waste. What silliness we go thru just to use windoze! The dumb terminal example is certainly viable. I learned on such a beast. It was a 386 and it was running (gag) SCO Unix and had 6 or 8 terminals with an appropriate number of students all compiling and using emacs.
For a modern equivalent we just use a cheap system with linux of *BSD and use it as an Xserver thereby letting more than one user use one Linux system with no extra cost or licensing or anything but a network.
Seriously, all the managers sit around making PP presentations and they have Clippy to help them get it done. They have all the spiffy canned art to make it look slick. They even can make it talk with Agent characters so the bored victims will have something to laugh at.
/dev/null if it reaches me!
Where is creativity in word processing? Certainly not in m$word because it is still a pile and has always been inferior to WordPerfect. But these days most communication is done via e-mail.
That means that talented communicators will express themselves with only text. Un-talented people will resort to HTML or RTF to try to get their point across. Comes across usually to
Ah but the instability!
Know what this reminds me of? Bruce Bastian assured a bunch of us years ago that new WordPerfect product for the Mac would rock. Fine I got it and tried it. Until that day I had never seen a Mac crash. The product got about an hour and one support call before it went back to its maker.
If WordPerfect could crash an otherwise rock solid Mac, what to you think M$ can do for linux!
I have only been trying for 4 or 5 years to get something better than POTS from Verizon. Live in service area of a CO that is one outside of Austin metro. Answer?
No, no, no! No DSL, no ISDN, just forget it. I will be taking my eternal dirt nap before Verizon brings me any fiber.
Nostalgia my foot. Late (circa 1992) 5.1 or 6.0 or 6.1 for DOS are all fine products. Run in graphics mode if you like, but I use them in text mode as always. All of that in DOSemu on my current linux system. Graphics preview works like it always did (except faster and in a window). When they say I "must" use powerpoint, I use WordPerfect for DOS instead. Use TEK ps driver then ps2pdf and everybody can read.
Corel took my money for the "Full" distro but I think I will not be wasting more.
Enhancement request! In the super wal-mart are a zillion cameras. Take a look some time. Fix this thing up so it will send directions on how to find my wife in the place and we will have something!
Yes it once was a fine product. About 6 patches into 5.1 version (1992) it got to be really mellow. Then they put out 6.0 and Novell came forth with 6.1 which does just fine in DOSemu. I still use it just that way. Print postscript to a file and use ps2pdf on it.
Now any current versions are another story. I never could stand any gui version of WordPerfect. That DOS version will stick with you though, and beats M$ product.
So sorry. http://shop.sco.com -- could not connect to remote server.
Would you guys back off so I can make my purchase?
Snotty? I don't think so. We have kde. On systems where I have adequate resources I use it. On cpu | memory challenged systems I usually pick ICEwm because that KDE stuff is a bit heavy.
junkymailbox is correct. Kermit is a fantastic product and has been ported to just about every platform imaginable. In the hands of a knowledgeable user, it can communicate where other tools wither. Support your friendly Kermit project!
Agreed this is the finest cheap pen you can find. Approximately a buck each in 8-12 package at Sam's club. It just works and works a long time. Nice clip fits in the olde pocket protector.
Ole Hank Sr. didn't need no laser show, and Sam & Son would have no part of this.
Indeed. Underscores why m$word files should not be used on the web, besides the compatibility issues.
A few years ago when I took my last job, the job offer came in m$word format. Lacking the correct product, I used strings(1) on it to see what it said and was able to see 4 or 5 previous offers to 4 or 5 previous candidates. When I learned what my offer really said and expressed disappointment to my headhunter, I was able to get a better starting bonus. Very nice.
This is one time I am happy to have 2.2.18 running on my production server. Do you reckon SCO will come after 2.2 next week?
Here is a good link!c tinfo/o verview/default.asp
..."
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/produ
Note that fine debugger down at the bottom of the page along with the other tools:
" tools such as make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, strip, gbd, as well
That would be your basic gbd debugger! Or is it GameBoy Developer kit?
Now "federally mandated that "Basic Cable" be 100% free" sounds like a socialist idea just like the silliness from National Propaganda Radio. What gives you the right to expect other people to pay for your cable?
Also note that the "great penetration of cable" completely ignores the overwhelming majority of territory -- that huge expanse in which not many people live, outside of metropolitian areas where cable is feasible. Want it or not, ready to pay or not, out here miles from nearest town we will not be getting any cable, or DSL or even ISDN!