I fail to see what is so funny about this, but I did't get it.
About pop3, I have a sony ericsson t68i and it has a pop3 email client. I tried to configure it but I have some problems in the wireless data configuration. For some reason it wants use pop3 over wap, when I just want a regular dial-up connection (in operator (vodafone portugal) wap is about 10x as expensive as a regular data call, go figure that)
But it supports email download (full or just the header), smtp sending and lots more I haven't got the time to explore fully.
Plus it is very small, with a reasonable color screen, and the digital camera that plugs in it is ok for 640x480 daylight photos. I can send pictures as MMSs, but these are expensive and more important, I don't know anyone with a MMS capable phone to send them. And as MMS the photos are sent as 140x80 or something like that.
GSM 900/1800/1900, IR, bluetooth, and a a calendar that at first sight is not that much different from my palm m100 calendar.
Great little phone. If only I could get specs and program for it, I would make a Goo clone taking input from the digital camera.
well, I remember that about two years ago, maybe three, when I was spending a semester in spain studying I saw this being mentioned on the news. strange ice blocks kept falling from the sky smashing windshields and hoods.
another thing being mentioned was that at the time Mir was still in orbit, and the ice was a way for the russians to say "we're out of vodka but we still have ice, so please send more!"
I don't know what the moderators thought for this to be considered +3 funny, but that's another matter.
I'm in portugal, and in here there are a lot of free ISPs that are paid by the phone companies. I don't know exactly, but I assume they get about 20-30% from the call fees. At night an hour costs about 0.60.
The connections are mostly horrible. People can rarely connect at first attempt, and 3kb/sec is considered an excelent download speed from a 56k modem. We get what we pay for, I guess..
And as they are free, one can keep several accounts on different ISPs, and use one at random, and hope that it works. Doesn't work? No problem, try another...
But there are a lot of such ISPs.. clix.pt, oninet.pt, sapo.pt, iol.pt, vizzavi.pt, etc... They are paid by the telecoms, and also offer free access as a teaser for their paid service, be it modem dial-up, isdn or adsl.
I can't think of using such ISPs... they are slow, costumer support is inexistent, some don't even offer pop3 email... but they're as cheap as it gets... Most of my friends (about 95%) that are connected to the net use free ISPs. The others have cable for about 50 a month (tv, internet and phone).
I don't know exactly for Jettas, but we have the Bora TDI with 150HP. In fact, VW makes the 1.9 TDi engines with 90, 100, 110, 115, 130 and 150HP. It's VW's cashcow in here, I guess. There is also a 1.4TDI engine that only goes for something like 3 l/100km. Almost ridiculous.
There is also a 2.5cc V6 TDI with 180HP, or something like that. That's a lot.
I own one of those 150HP Boras, and the driving is amazing. It's just so powerful and responsive. I love this engine so much more than any similar gasoline engine.
I don't know if I would run it on veg oil, but it's nice to have the option. If I drive at about 90-120 km/h, it only burns less than 6 l/100km. It's not that much anyway.
Sorry for not converting units to mph/mpg. Deal with it.
...third-world countries like India and Portugal...
A contry that is in the EU, joined the Euro currency, is organizing the European 2004 football (soccer to you) championship, organized World Expo'98, is one of the world's country with the largest cellular phone penetration, and it's a 3rd world country?
Well, in some ways, perhaps it is... But at the very least, tele-marketing is illegal to do without consent, and we don't pay a (euro)cent for receiving phone calls.
And if I ever get called (which never happened to me or mostly anyone I met) by telemarketers, I can just hangup the phone, and not answer when that number comes up again (which, once again, 99.99% of phones send call ID).
And btw, most of the spam I receive is for US companies. "Call 201-555-1234 to be removed from our mailing list"... 201-555-1234 of which coutry? Where's the coutry code?
Sorry about the slight OT.
Pedro
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If freon contains CFCs and eats up the ozone layer, what will MS Freon do?
As it is, Wap is worthless. It would be useful, if the prices weren't ridiculous ( 0.18/minute in vodafone/portugal), the content wasn't so scarce and I could access wapsites that are not in vodafone's domain.
I'm using a new nokia 8310 with GPRS, and there is a campaign about GPRS that let's me use wap for free.. It's something nice to have, but I wouldn't be using it if I had to pay those 18 cents.
Now for something stupid: I can make data calls using a laptop or a palm with this phone, and the price is 1.5 per hour. Ok, so it's only 9600bps (or 14400, I'm not sure), but I can access real websites, ssh/ftp home, use IRC, and even download mp3s (well.. If I really had the need to), on a real computer, with a big screen and a keyboard...
WAP: A fraction of the content for 10 times the cost.... The operators sold wap extremely overpriced, and it hasn't caught on. Had they priced accordingly to the content, and it would caught on...
Now the craze is all about MMS (multimedia messages).. I wonder about the prices for that, because if they treat this like wap, it will soon go the same way.
Well, there's also MessagEase, which I haven't yet tried on my palm (only tried the javascript demo), but from the demo of either, MessagEase looks like it works better, and can be applied to 12-key mobile phones too.
And I suppose everyone in europe, asia, africa, and the rest of the world (not including the US, obviously), should refuse to use Windows/Office, and everything else coming from the US, as no qualified (not that being qualified means much in this case) team of programmers can audit that code.
Grow up, will ya? What would those russians put in the source code? A warezed clone of tetris?
I have friends with 100's of cds of movies downloaded from the net. as DIVX is non-streamable, there are some programs to make a valid DIVX file from a download from Kazaa/Morpheus/etc, just to check if the rest of the movie is worth downloading.
I have friends with lots of movies obtained this way. If one of them downloads a new movie, it will be shared among all the others.
The thing that strikes me odd in the previous post is the people that rename movies to fool others into downloading them. It's not like a few years ago in BBS were we had the upload/download ratio, and sometimes we just pumped something in with a goodlooking file name to be able to download something. These are p2p networks. They will get nothing more from the network, and will probably pay for the bandwith to upload the movie.
I'm all for some good themes for Linux, as it is my only OS that I use exclusively on my box for about two months, after getting fed up with windows.
But browsing through some theme sites, like kde-look.org, the most downloaded and better rated themes are OSX or Windows look-alikes... I want a good looking GUI, not a clone of some other GUI. For that I might as well have stayed with Windows, or sold my PC and bought a Mac.
I never cease to stop admiring the keramik kde style. It's simple, good looking and best of all, original...
I hope that the revived themes.org has themes with all the things I want to see in a theme.
Good Icons, window decoration, styles, fonts, everything, at the expense of more memory and cpu usage. A bit like windows, really, but simple and elegant, like windows 2000, not garish and irritating like XP.
Like me, those who know how to change their desktop to look prettier, also know how to make it faster and with less eye-candy. The opposite is not always true, no matter how simple it can be done.
I really like my kde3 desktop with Ikons and the Keramik style. It's gorgeous just to look at. It's not very fast, or snappy like windows2k feels on the same computer, but it's very beautiful, and nevermind that this is just release 3.0. I expect the same speed improvements as those that followed the 2.0 release.
I really want the desktop icons to cast shadows on the desktop, a bit like Ximian Gnome does. I'm a coder and I would make it myself, but where to start in all those kde/qt source files?
what's the use for this? just to have disposable cameras? we already have that, for about the same price, if not cheaper. I don't know about the price factor, as I just use my regular 35mm rechargeable.
why would I use one of these digital models? to say "cool, it's a digital camera", and then realise that for the same price you could have bought an disposable analog one, with much better pictures?
it seems that everything that is digital is the way to go these days... in a way this is true. it's much more hackeable:)
I wonder... this and all other copy protected CDs will have to be somewhat backwards compatible.
if it can't be played in modern cd-rom drives, will a 4 or 5 year old drive bypass the protection?
like macrovision in vhs, which makes some assumptions about the tv and/or vcr. I had a old philips tv that could't show some rented movies (top of the screen all messed up), but a vcr I owned (an old panasonic model) could make perfect copies (at least as perfect as vhs allowed that to be) of the same movies, using another more recent vcr as a player.
instead of bypassing the cd protection in some way, which for you americans would be illegal under the DMCA, would old hardware be immune to this sort of protection and thus no bypassing needed?
I remember that Gravis had a joystick mouse a bit like this a few years ago.
Speaking of gravis, I still have my original gamepad sitting next to my box. Don't use it much now, but it's cool to have a gamepad for a pc developed when the best had to play was cga/ega games. Still, Commander Keen was cool... I'll try to check those old floppies and play it again.
I can be mistaken, but ever since I looked at the ingrediente list for Red Bull I found this odd....
In portuguese and spanish (don't know for any other latin-derived languages) the word for bull is touro/toro. So, "taurin" roughly translated to english could be "bullin", or something like that...
Doesn't this seems strange? One of the ingredients has a name similar to the the drink? I'm no biologist, but I've certainly never heard before of taurin before I drank Red Bull. Of course the opposite could be true, that the drink is named after the active ingredient, but I feel more inclined to believe that the "taurin" ingredient is just marketing. People don't know what it is, so they assume that it must be energic.
I don't feel any more energic after drinking red bull or any other energy drink. It's saturday night, I just arrived home after going out with some friends, and drank a can of red bull, and before and after that I drank some alcohol (not much). I feel sleepy. To me, Red Bull is just placebo, it has only a psychological effect. Caffeine has it's effect of course, but Taurin and the other ingredients only matter as much as the people that drink it believe.
The problem with MS Office dominance is that people don't get to see any alternatives. Be it Lotus Smartsuite, Corel Wordperfect Office, or any other. I don't know if these produts still exist today.
The other problem, is that the vast majority of people use Office, and need to exchange documents with others, and it forces everyone to use Office.. At my school all the computers with printers have NT4 and Office 2000 installed. If I do some work in my home computer and need to print it, I need to convert the files into office 2000-readable formats. Combined with incompatibilities in the filters, I need to spend a lot more time fixing the documents in word before I save to a zip disk and go the school to print. Heck, if I need to use word to fix formatting errors, I might as well use Office from start to finish, without hassle. But it needs to be the same office version as the one my school is using, or it's the same thing if I used Staroffice. Office can't even read properly documents saved in a previous version, so open source developers can't take the blame.
Last year I had to make my last year's project report, and I used Office. It was a complete nightmare to have it print correctly. Some pages had no page number, others had pictures split between two pages, formatting styles were completely diferente on screen and on paper... I spent almost two days correcting everything. And to all my colleagues it happened the same thing. WYSIWYG? More like WYSIWYWBICBBTDI (what you see is what you wanted but I can't be bothered to do it).
On a side note, IBM had a rather basic, but still cool Works for it's OS/2, that I used for a while when I fell in love with OS/2. It wouldn't hurt if it's source was released and had ports for Linux/*BSD/BeOS or OSX.
I found a little tutorial on QT/KDE programming on the KDE-Women site.
I haven't got the time to try it all out, as I'm still struggling with work and exams, it seemed very complete, showing how to use KDevelop, adding widgets, all in a step-by-step-with-pictures sort of way.
even though earth will be able to survive all the mess we made and continue making, is this an excuse not to think about reducing pollution?
by the same token, we're all going to die, one day, eventually. do you want to accelerate the process that leads to your own death?
yes, it could be happening even if there was no human influence, but if there are ways to slow down the process, I think that it's all worth the effort.
I haven't used WAP much, not because of content, or speed problems, but because of the price. Maybe if I had used it more, I would be aware of the lack of content....
Speed was not an issue. To check the email, and see a webpage once in a while 9.6 is enough for my needs.
I use a pre-paid phone card, and in pre-WAP, there was no way to make data calls. With all the hype surrounding WAP, data calls were enabled by all the operators here in Portugal, for all types of cards, pre-paid or regular. They expected that everyone would be using WAP... The problem? The price. At least with my operator (a Vodafone subsidiary), WAP calls are at a fixed rate of 18 cents per minute.
Now, the fun part: regular data calls (non WAP), were charged according to the destination phone network, for the same price as a voice call. As my phone operator also has a ISP, it has a access number within the GSM network. My price plan costs about $1.5 usd for an entire hour of talk time.... compare that for the price of 18c*60= $11 per hour...
For some time I even used my laptop with a nokia phone with a infrared port to check email while not at home....
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I fail to see what is so funny about this, but I did't get it.
About pop3, I have a sony ericsson t68i and it has a pop3 email client. I tried to configure it but I have some problems in the wireless data configuration. For some reason it wants use pop3 over wap, when I just want a regular dial-up connection (in operator (vodafone portugal) wap is about 10x as expensive as a regular data call, go figure that)
But it supports email download (full or just the header), smtp sending and lots more I haven't got the time to explore fully.
Plus it is very small, with a reasonable color screen, and the digital camera that plugs in it is ok for 640x480 daylight photos. I can send pictures as MMSs, but these are expensive and more important, I don't know anyone with a MMS capable phone to send them. And as MMS the photos are sent as 140x80 or something like that.
GSM 900/1800/1900, IR, bluetooth, and a a calendar that at first sight is not that much different from my palm m100 calendar.
Great little phone. If only I could get specs and program for it, I would make a Goo clone taking input from the digital camera.
well, I remember that about two years ago, maybe three, when I was spending a semester in spain studying I saw this being mentioned on the news. strange ice blocks kept falling from the sky smashing windshields and hoods.
another thing being mentioned was that at the time Mir was still in orbit, and the ice was a way for the russians to say "we're out of vodka but we still have ice, so please send more!"
I don't know what the moderators thought for this to be considered +3 funny, but that's another matter.
I'm in portugal, and in here there are a lot of free ISPs that are paid by the phone companies. I don't know exactly, but I assume they get about 20-30% from the call fees. At night an hour costs about 0.60.
The connections are mostly horrible. People can rarely connect at first attempt, and 3kb/sec is considered an excelent download speed from a 56k modem. We get what we pay for, I guess..
And as they are free, one can keep several accounts on different ISPs, and use one at random, and hope that it works. Doesn't work? No problem, try another...
But there are a lot of such ISPs.. clix.pt, oninet.pt, sapo.pt, iol.pt, vizzavi.pt, etc... They are paid by the telecoms, and also offer free access as a teaser for their paid service, be it modem dial-up, isdn or adsl.
I can't think of using such ISPs... they are slow, costumer support is inexistent, some don't even offer pop3 email... but they're as cheap as it gets... Most of my friends (about 95%) that are connected to the net use free ISPs. The others have cable for about 50 a month (tv, internet and phone).
In europe the Jetta is called Bora.
I don't know exactly for Jettas, but we have the Bora TDI with 150HP. In fact, VW makes the 1.9 TDi engines with 90, 100, 110, 115, 130 and 150HP. It's VW's cashcow in here, I guess. There is also a 1.4TDI engine that only goes for something like 3 l/100km. Almost ridiculous.
There is also a 2.5cc V6 TDI with 180HP, or something like that. That's a lot.
I own one of those 150HP Boras, and the driving is amazing. It's just so powerful and responsive. I love this engine so much more than any similar gasoline engine.
I don't know if I would run it on veg oil, but it's nice to have the option. If I drive at about 90-120 km/h, it only burns less than 6 l/100km. It's not that much anyway.
Sorry for not converting units to mph/mpg. Deal with it.
...third-world countries like India and Portugal...
A contry that is in the EU, joined the Euro currency, is organizing the European 2004 football (soccer to you) championship, organized World Expo'98, is one of the world's country with the largest cellular phone penetration, and it's a 3rd world country?
Well, in some ways, perhaps it is... But at the very least, tele-marketing is illegal to do without consent, and we don't pay a (euro)cent for receiving phone calls.
And if I ever get called (which never happened to me or mostly anyone I met) by telemarketers, I can just hangup the phone, and not answer when that number comes up again (which, once again, 99.99% of phones send call ID).
And btw, most of the spam I receive is for US companies. "Call 201-555-1234 to be removed from our mailing list"... 201-555-1234 of which coutry? Where's the coutry code?
Sorry about the slight OT.
Pedro
If freon contains CFCs and eats up the ozone layer, what will MS Freon do?
Destroy all my linux distribution CDs?
slightly off-topic, but....
As it is, Wap is worthless. It would be useful, if the prices weren't ridiculous ( 0.18/minute in vodafone/portugal), the content wasn't so scarce and I could access wapsites that are not in vodafone's domain.
I'm using a new nokia 8310 with GPRS, and there is a campaign about GPRS that let's me use wap for free.. It's something nice to have, but I wouldn't be using it if I had to pay those 18 cents.
Now for something stupid: I can make data calls using a laptop or a palm with this phone, and the price is 1.5 per hour. Ok, so it's only 9600bps (or 14400, I'm not sure), but I can access real websites, ssh/ftp home, use IRC, and even download mp3s (well.. If I really had the need to), on a real computer, with a big screen and a keyboard...
WAP: A fraction of the content for 10 times the cost.... The operators sold wap extremely overpriced, and it hasn't caught on. Had they priced accordingly to the content, and it would caught on...
Now the craze is all about MMS (multimedia messages).. I wonder about the prices for that, because if they treat this like wap, it will soon go the same way.
Well, there's also MessagEase, which I haven't yet tried on my palm (only tried the javascript demo), but from the demo of either, MessagEase looks like it works better, and can be applied to 12-key mobile phones too.
pedro
what the hell is scandisk and defrag in linux?
And I suppose everyone in europe, asia, africa, and the rest of the world (not including the US, obviously), should refuse to use Windows/Office, and everything else coming from the US, as no qualified (not that being qualified means much in this case) team of programmers can audit that code.
Grow up, will ya? What would those russians put in the source code? A warezed clone of tetris?
I have friends with 100's of cds of movies downloaded from the net. as DIVX is non-streamable, there are some programs to make a valid DIVX file from a download from Kazaa/Morpheus/etc, just to check if the rest of the movie is worth downloading.
I have friends with lots of movies obtained this way. If one of them downloads a new movie, it will be shared among all the others.
The thing that strikes me odd in the previous post is the people that rename movies to fool others into downloading them. It's not like a few years ago in BBS were we had the upload/download ratio, and sometimes we just pumped something in with a goodlooking file name to be able to download something. These are p2p networks. They will get nothing more from the network, and will probably pay for the bandwith to upload the movie.
I'm all for some good themes for Linux, as it is my only OS that I use exclusively on my box for about two months, after getting fed up with windows.
But browsing through some theme sites, like kde-look.org, the most downloaded and better rated themes are OSX or Windows look-alikes... I want a good looking GUI, not a clone of some other GUI. For that I might as well have stayed with Windows, or sold my PC and bought a Mac.
I never cease to stop admiring the keramik kde style. It's simple, good looking and best of all, original...
I hope that the revived themes.org has themes with all the things I want to see in a theme.
Of course, IMHO...
oh please!
speaking of helping, where was USA while Indonesia was invading and brutalizing people in East Timor?
Perhaps having a cup of tea with Suharto, picking the place where to install the next Nike factory?
Yeah... god help us for having the US lead our way.
OT, I know, sorry...
KDE should default to *everything* cool.
Good Icons, window decoration, styles, fonts, everything, at the expense of more memory and cpu usage. A bit like windows, really, but simple and elegant, like windows 2000, not garish and irritating like XP.
Like me, those who know how to change their desktop to look prettier, also know how to make it faster and with less eye-candy. The opposite is not always true, no matter how simple it can be done.
I really like my kde3 desktop with Ikons and the Keramik style. It's gorgeous just to look at. It's not very fast, or snappy like windows2k feels on the same computer, but it's very beautiful, and nevermind that this is just release 3.0. I expect the same speed improvements as those that followed the 2.0 release.
I really want the desktop icons to cast shadows on the desktop, a bit like Ximian Gnome does. I'm a coder and I would make it myself, but where to start in all those kde/qt source files?
what's the use for this? just to have disposable cameras? we already have that, for about the same price, if not cheaper. I don't know about the price factor, as I just use my regular 35mm rechargeable.
:)
why would I use one of these digital models? to say "cool, it's a digital camera", and then realise that for the same price you could have bought an disposable analog one, with much better pictures?
it seems that everything that is digital is the way to go these days... in a way this is true. it's much more hackeable
I wonder... this and all other copy protected CDs will have to be somewhat backwards compatible.
if it can't be played in modern cd-rom drives, will a 4 or 5 year old drive bypass the protection?
like macrovision in vhs, which makes some assumptions about the tv and/or vcr. I had a old philips tv that could't show some rented movies (top of the screen all messed up), but a vcr I owned (an old panasonic model) could make perfect copies (at least as perfect as vhs allowed that to be) of the same movies, using another more recent vcr as a player.
instead of bypassing the cd protection in some way, which for you americans would be illegal under the DMCA, would old hardware be immune to this sort of protection and thus no bypassing needed?
I wonder.. will this have support for MS's newly announced Enhanced Virii Infection Layer? Or just the plain old VIL?
I remember that Gravis had a joystick mouse a bit like this a few years ago.
Speaking of gravis, I still have my original gamepad sitting next to my box. Don't use it much now, but it's cool to have a gamepad for a pc developed when the best had to play was cga/ega games. Still, Commander Keen was cool... I'll try to check those old floppies and play it again.
as usual, replace the 'www' with a 'archive' to bypass the useless sign in form.
or click here to have the article with a minimum of fuss.
I can be mistaken, but ever since I looked at the ingrediente list for Red Bull I found this odd....
In portuguese and spanish (don't know for any other latin-derived languages) the word for bull is touro/toro. So, "taurin" roughly translated to english could be "bullin", or something like that...
Doesn't this seems strange? One of the ingredients has a name similar to the the drink? I'm no biologist, but I've certainly never heard before of taurin before I drank Red Bull. Of course the opposite could be true, that the drink is named after the active ingredient, but I feel more inclined to believe that the "taurin" ingredient is just marketing. People don't know what it is, so they assume that it must be energic.
I don't feel any more energic after drinking red bull or any other energy drink. It's saturday night, I just arrived home after going out with some friends, and drank a can of red bull, and before and after that I drank some alcohol (not much). I feel sleepy. To me, Red Bull is just placebo, it has only a psychological effect. Caffeine has it's effect of course, but Taurin and the other ingredients only matter as much as the people that drink it believe.
It's late, I'm going to bed.
The problem with MS Office dominance is that people don't get to see any alternatives. Be it Lotus Smartsuite, Corel Wordperfect Office, or any other. I don't know if these produts still exist today.
The other problem, is that the vast majority of people use Office, and need to exchange documents with others, and it forces everyone to use Office.. At my school all the computers with printers have NT4 and Office 2000 installed. If I do some work in my home computer and need to print it, I need to convert the files into office 2000-readable formats. Combined with incompatibilities in the filters, I need to spend a lot more time fixing the documents in word before I save to a zip disk and go the school to print. Heck, if I need to use word to fix formatting errors, I might as well use Office from start to finish, without hassle. But it needs to be the same office version as the one my school is using, or it's the same thing if I used Staroffice. Office can't even read properly documents saved in a previous version, so open source developers can't take the blame.
Last year I had to make my last year's project report, and I used Office. It was a complete nightmare to have it print correctly. Some pages had no page number, others had pictures split between two pages, formatting styles were completely diferente on screen and on paper... I spent almost two days correcting everything. And to all my colleagues it happened the same thing. WYSIWYG? More like WYSIWYWBICBBTDI (what you see is what you wanted but I can't be bothered to do it).
On a side note, IBM had a rather basic, but still cool Works for it's OS/2, that I used for a while when I fell in love with OS/2. It wouldn't hurt if it's source was released and had ports for Linux/*BSD/BeOS or OSX.
I found a little tutorial on QT/KDE programming on the KDE-Women site.
I haven't got the time to try it all out, as I'm still struggling with work and exams, it seemed very complete, showing how to use KDevelop, adding widgets, all in a step-by-step-with-pictures sort of way.
even though earth will be able to survive all the mess we made and continue making, is this an excuse not to think about reducing pollution?
by the same token, we're all going to die, one day, eventually. do you want to accelerate the process that leads to your own death?
yes, it could be happening even if there was no human influence, but if there are ways to slow down the process, I think that it's all worth the effort.
and I though slashdot was slashdoted!
I haven't used WAP much, not because of content, or speed problems, but because of the price. Maybe if I had used it more, I would be aware of the lack of content....
Speed was not an issue. To check the email, and see a webpage once in a while 9.6 is enough for my needs.
I use a pre-paid phone card, and in pre-WAP, there was no way to make data calls. With all the hype surrounding WAP, data calls were enabled by all the operators here in Portugal, for all types of cards, pre-paid or regular. They expected that everyone would be using WAP... The problem? The price. At least with my operator (a Vodafone subsidiary), WAP calls are at a fixed rate of 18 cents per minute.
Now, the fun part: regular data calls (non WAP), were charged according to the destination phone network, for the same price as a voice call. As my phone operator also has a ISP, it has a access number within the GSM network. My price plan costs about $1.5 usd for an entire hour of talk time.... compare that for the price of 18c*60= $11 per hour...
For some time I even used my laptop with a nokia phone with a infrared port to check email while not at home....