>What is it about being intoxicated that makes playing games more fun?
Because you don't shive a ghit!
Life is actually a lot more fun when people get less anal about games. I was at a conference and they were having play poker nights. So a bunch of us speakers got together and snagged a table. We all were too tired to play hard and thus played for fun. All to naught when some wennie came along to "teach" us how to play poker. Then the fun stopped...
It also reminds me of when I used to play tennis with a guy and we would never keep score. We liked the exercise...
>You come across not like a biased person, but like a dictator.
Dude wake up... A business is a dictatorship! A business is not subject to democracy, just the laws. If you don't like the business you are working for quit. If you don't like the business then don't buy their products.
It is amazing how many times people forget the free market economy where you DON'T HAVE to buy a product. And if you bring up the point, oh wait the monopoly Microsoft forces you to buy a PC with Windows. Wait, not true there are oodles of other PC makers that offer a computer without an operating system.
By looking at the pirated stuff that you found, and then applying statistical sample you can get the percentage of the source. Though it comes with a catch. The catch is that the number you found is +- a specific number. That number could be +- 2 percent or +- 20 percent.
Ok let's see Engineers are suspect to Terrorism because they view things as right and wrong.
Assuming that this is the truth, that then puts ANYBODY WITH ANY IQ in the sciences and math as potential terrorists! So let's not stop at engineers, but head on over to physicists, and math folks.
Oh wait, maybe this is a bigger and badder idea... What if this is a way to eradicate the "intelligent."
Think hard about this. Who does any dictator knock off first? Oh yeah the intelligent and who can think for themselves.... Gee let's make engineers the scape goats and suspects here...
Come on people do we see the boggieman at every corner...
Think about why maybe many immigrants are engineers. Could it be because engineers can get visa's and jobs here? Maybe its because visa's are not given out to basketweavers!
I wish people would understand the market and understand VALUATIONS... Microsoft at these higher levels has a PE of 21. Apple at 200 had PE of around 45 or so. A valuation of 45 requires extreme growth each and every quarter with no errors. Apple said themselves that the next quarter will be slower. Thus the market is going to refactor everything.
And after all if you had invest in Apple last year you would have had 117% returns. Apple is overvalued... plain and simple...
Dude... I said when Apple was in the 200's its market cap was nearly that of WMT. The 120 billion market cap is due to the massive price drop. If you are going to start talking the market please get your calculations right.
1) He never took home an outrageous salary like many of his CEO counterparts. For example many private equity CEO's take home billions and give nothing. 2) He built a company and from the get go gave each employee the chance to get options and shares. This created an incredible amount of wealth for his employees. 3) He built a market for third parties. Microsoft is and remains as powerful as they are because people can make money on it. How about Apple? How big is the third party market there? Apple has (in the early days you actually had to get a token) kept very tight control on who can develop on the Apple box. And third parties have to be "blessed" and pay homage to the alter of Steve Jobs. 4) He brought down the price of software. Before Microsoft people were charging a fortune for software. Sure Microsoft plays games, but all for profit corporations do. For example ever look at the price list of say Oracle, IBM or many other vendors? Sun used to charge outrageous fees.
Yes Microsoft plays hard ball. They are a tough competitor and not to be underestimated. But when all is said and done Microsoft and Bill Gates will not look like the villain that many like to portray.
How is it a company like AAPL at 200 had a higher valuation than a company like Walmart?
The answer is that you only need a sucker to pay such astronomic values. Oh, wait Apple is trading at 137... Hmmm, a 40% drop, and only 20% drop in NASDAQ...
I don't want to finger point on just you here. This is a general comment.
Replace all of the OSX and Apple related words with say the company Microsoft and Windows. If these limitations were in Microsoft or Windows people would cry bloody murder...
YET, on an Apple its OK because well the master of the universe Steve Jobs has determined that what he wants is what humanity needs! Give me a freaken break!
Processing information has become a lost art... People don't process anymore. I see it so often with analysts, and "documentaries." They just say things and assume it is correct.
I wish I had mod points, but that is funny... I have a hard time describing this, but it is one of those situations where you reply with a comment that just leaves the other debating person in silence... A sort of cynical smugness...
Ok that argument I can buy... From the responses I think the real problem is that the sound does not really exist. Sort of like the eh, and eeh in French. A very subtle difference that is a royal pain in the butt for me to pronounce...
Fair enough, but I was picking straws trying to figure out how to say it. Even the other references that put an uh at the end is wrong. It is a more e than uh.
The reason why I pick on Porsche is because it is like nails on the chalkboard... I actually prefer when people pronounce it with a silent e.
Maybe according to your ear it sounds like Por-Sh-a, but not to my ear. It is very subtle, and my wife who is French has no problems with it. The way that it is pronounced in the MP3 is with an e, not a. I think this is one of those things that I am going write off as a sound that English people can't make.
This is offtopic I know I know... But why on earth do people call their Porsche PorSha? I never understood this.
If you say the word Porsche in English the e is silent. And since I speak fluent German the e at the end is not an Sha, it is more like the e in wet or like the e in Good Day, eh. What I am wondering is how the e turned into a?
>1) Internet Explorer isn't really free. It's disguised in the price of Windows.
Firefox is not really free its disguised in the price of a computer...
Seriously think hard about this. If I buy a computer preloaded with Windows IE is free. Sure somewhere there is an included cost of Windows, but I don't see that price.
If I buy a computer with Linux preloaded on it then disguised in the price of the computer is some person who went through the configuration of the computer and installed everything properly so it works.
What the Open Source community really has to begin understanding that Free or Freedom that Open Source gives you is not really an argument that most people want. People want to get their jobs done, and if that means buying higher priced hardware (eg Apple) then they will do it.
I think this worked on the server side because freedom to configuration, twiddle and manage is actually very important on the server.
The way I compare it as follows. Most people could not care less if their hoods were welded shut because they would rather not want to look under the hood. They just want to drive from point A to point B.
Yet a farmer who uses vehicles wants to be able to take apart and reassemble their vehicle because they need to get things done right away. A Farmer has special needs from their vehicles and thus wants complete control or the freedom...
>Unfortunately, polishing off apps to make them more usable (or even just having them update the UI during a complex operation) is not a high salience issue, and so such things often get neglected in open source projects, even though they can be a deciding factor in keeping non-programmers interested.
And this is the reason why Linux on the desktop is actually a lame duck operating system. Linux on the server is a different issue, but on the desktop what actually costs money and time is finishing the application. I don't consider myself a desktop application programmer because I have seen how much time it takes to get things done. It is not easy! And when you have little things working I doubt that there is much patting on the back by the Open Source community.
Rather I see the Open Source community more interested in figuring out how to "reinvent the heap sort yet again." Yes for server stuff this is actually rather important, but desktop who cares if a sort takes 1 second or 0.5 seconds...
It reminds of the guy who quite Linux kernel development because his scheduler was passed over...
>In the end, If I had an easy way to explain repo's, I'd probably 'convert' more people. It is quite a mental shift for most that have only ever experienced Windows, and the free-for-all adding applications by the seat of your pants from the intertubes.
Repos are easier for YOU, not the average person. Give the average person a CD in hand, that is popped into the computer and installed with a few clicks. That's easy for them because they can follow the sequence of steps using physical pieces.
Repos on the other hand are dead easy to use once they are configured properly. For example to install on Ubuntu there are actually two repo windows. One for power users and one for general packages. Yet you can't have both running at the same time. Then to install you need to check some things to make sure you can see everything you want, and so on.
Yes once you know how repos work and what they represent they are dead easy. But the average user really doesn't want to learn about repos. They want to learn how to use their applications. The one company who REALLY understands this is Apple. How do you install an application? For the most part drag and drop... That's pretty damm smart and easy.
Everybody complains about the MS Tax because of the prices they see at the retail level. Folks see how much the OS costs in the store. But at the OEM level the OS costs are not that bad. Maybe this 20 USD is a bit low, but I can't see it more than 50 USD difference.
That's why I personally don't see Linux happening on the desktop. If two comparable laptops have a price differential of max 50 USD I think most people would say, "Oh hey why not Windows after all most stuff is compatible with Windows." Linux does not actually stand a chance.
After all, OSX, which is even more expensive than Windows and Linux is making inroads by many. The moral of the story is that on the desktop I don't think price of operating system is the major decision maker. People want things to work out of the box without any hassles
On the server side there is a huge price differential and that's also why I think Linux did make inroads on the server side.
Well here is a question why do anything? Most things like flying, driving, and so on did not seem useful. Let's take the car as an example. Look at the first model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car. In 1885 could you have seen that thing be more economical than say a horse? I doubt that the first model as proposed by Benz could even travel more than a couple of kilometers. And yet here we are with millions upon millions of cars.
The problem with space is that humanity dropped the ball. We should have done more sooner. Of course part of the problem is that America had to keep footing the bill. But think about what space travel has brought:
GPS, Satellite Media, The Ability to detect global warming, Satellite phones, etc, etc...
I am even thinking if we had traveled and lived in space quicker we would have less of a global warming problem. After all to be able to live in space you better be efficient and learn how to recycle...
What Sun is talking about is absolute BS. System administrators will not become like TV repairmen because companies will not trust to be hosted by some other company.
There are two approaches that corporations take to custom machinery (assembly lines for automated production). The first is that they get the machine builder to build and install the line. Then once the assembly line has been installed the local maintenance staff is trained to repair and manage the machines.
The second approach is that the company gets a custom machine built, and then they rely on service from the company. But in this situation that usually means having a guy from the machine company sit in an office of the company that uses machine all day long waiting for something to go wrong.
My point is that if Sun wants to go route 2, fair enough, but the sysadmin will still exist because I don't see little munchikens running around doing the job. What Sun is promoting is the rearranging the deck chairs! And I fail to see how this will improve the overall situation. Oh yeah I forgot Sun is IRRELEVANT and thus rearranging the deck chairs makes them relevant again! [/sarcasm]
Ok Java belongs to Sun.... BUT Open Office was not created by Sun. It was created by a company that I think was called StarOffice in Germany. Sun bought them out many moons ago and since then not much has changed.
No kidding... It is actually getting a bit tedious...
Linux on the server? Yeah I can see that... Linux on the desktop? Nope not a chance... That moment passed.
Think about it... Vista took how long? And Vista is selling how much? And still people are saying "this is the year of Linux on the desktop." BUT... What has been gaining traction? OSX...
This says one thing. I want a desktop that works and lets me get my work done and I don't care if it costs.
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>What is it about being intoxicated that makes playing games more fun?
Because you don't shive a ghit!
Life is actually a lot more fun when people get less anal about games. I was at a conference and they were having play poker nights. So a bunch of us speakers got together and snagged a table. We all were too tired to play hard and thus played for fun. All to naught when some wennie came along to "teach" us how to play poker. Then the fun stopped...
It also reminds me of when I used to play tennis with a guy and we would never keep score. We liked the exercise...
>You come across not like a biased person, but like a dictator.
Dude wake up... A business is a dictatorship! A business is not subject to democracy, just the laws. If you don't like the business you are working for quit. If you don't like the business then don't buy their products.
It is amazing how many times people forget the free market economy where you DON'T HAVE to buy a product. And if you bring up the point, oh wait the monopoly Microsoft forces you to buy a PC with Windows. Wait, not true there are oodles of other PC makers that offer a computer without an operating system.
It's called statistical sampling...
By looking at the pirated stuff that you found, and then applying statistical sample you can get the percentage of the source. Though it comes with a catch. The catch is that the number you found is +- a specific number. That number could be +- 2 percent or +- 20 percent.
Ok let's see Engineers are suspect to Terrorism because they view things as right and wrong.
Assuming that this is the truth, that then puts ANYBODY WITH ANY IQ in the sciences and math as potential terrorists! So let's not stop at engineers, but head on over to physicists, and math folks.
Oh wait, maybe this is a bigger and badder idea... What if this is a way to eradicate the "intelligent."
Think hard about this. Who does any dictator knock off first? Oh yeah the intelligent and who can think for themselves.... Gee let's make engineers the scape goats and suspects here...
Come on people do we see the boggieman at every corner...
Think about why maybe many immigrants are engineers. Could it be because engineers can get visa's and jobs here? Maybe its because visa's are not given out to basketweavers!
I just roll my eyes and think is the USPO as dumb as the Fed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone
The first smart phone was developed way back when. But let's consider a more recent example:
The Nokia Communicator line was the first of Nokia's smartphones starting with the Nokia 9000, released in 1996.
The earlier chained patents was 1997. So I really wonder what pot, and I do mean pot, the people in the patent office are smoking.
I wish people would understand the market and understand VALUATIONS... Microsoft at these higher levels has a PE of 21. Apple at 200 had PE of around 45 or so. A valuation of 45 requires extreme growth each and every quarter with no errors. Apple said themselves that the next quarter will be slower. Thus the market is going to refactor everything.
And after all if you had invest in Apple last year you would have had 117% returns. Apple is overvalued... plain and simple...
Dude... I said when Apple was in the 200's its market cap was nearly that of WMT. The 120 billion market cap is due to the massive price drop. If you are going to start talking the market please get your calculations right.
Ok I take you up on that offer...
What did Bill Gates achieve?
1) He never took home an outrageous salary like many of his CEO counterparts. For example many private equity CEO's take home billions and give nothing.
2) He built a company and from the get go gave each employee the chance to get options and shares. This created an incredible amount of wealth for his employees.
3) He built a market for third parties. Microsoft is and remains as powerful as they are because people can make money on it. How about Apple? How big is the third party market there? Apple has (in the early days you actually had to get a token) kept very tight control on who can develop on the Apple box. And third parties have to be "blessed" and pay homage to the alter of Steve Jobs.
4) He brought down the price of software. Before Microsoft people were charging a fortune for software. Sure Microsoft plays games, but all for profit corporations do. For example ever look at the price list of say Oracle, IBM or many other vendors? Sun used to charge outrageous fees.
Yes Microsoft plays hard ball. They are a tough competitor and not to be underestimated. But when all is said and done Microsoft and Bill Gates will not look like the villain that many like to portray.
How is it a company like AAPL at 200 had a higher valuation than a company like Walmart?
The answer is that you only need a sucker to pay such astronomic values. Oh, wait Apple is trading at 137... Hmmm, a 40% drop, and only 20% drop in NASDAQ...
No kidding...
I don't want to finger point on just you here. This is a general comment.
Replace all of the OSX and Apple related words with say the company Microsoft and Windows. If these limitations were in Microsoft or Windows people would cry bloody murder...
YET, on an Apple its OK because well the master of the universe Steve Jobs has determined that what he wants is what humanity needs! Give me a freaken break!
Processing information has become a lost art... People don't process anymore. I see it so often with analysts, and "documentaries." They just say things and assume it is correct.
I wish I had mod points, but that is funny... I have a hard time describing this, but it is one of those situations where you reply with a comment that just leaves the other debating person in silence... A sort of cynical smugness...
Ok that argument I can buy... From the responses I think the real problem is that the sound does not really exist. Sort of like the eh, and eeh in French. A very subtle difference that is a royal pain in the butt for me to pronounce...
Fair enough, but I was picking straws trying to figure out how to say it. Even the other references that put an uh at the end is wrong. It is a more e than uh.
The reason why I pick on Porsche is because it is like nails on the chalkboard... I actually prefer when people pronounce it with a silent e.
Maybe according to your ear it sounds like Por-Sh-a, but not to my ear. It is very subtle, and my wife who is French has no problems with it. The way that it is pronounced in the MP3 is with an e, not a. I think this is one of those things that I am going write off as a sound that English people can't make.
This is offtopic I know I know... But why on earth do people call their Porsche PorSha? I never understood this.
If you say the word Porsche in English the e is silent. And since I speak fluent German the e at the end is not an Sha, it is more like the e in wet or like the e in Good Day, eh. What I am wondering is how the e turned into a?
>1) Internet Explorer isn't really free. It's disguised in the price of Windows.
Firefox is not really free its disguised in the price of a computer...
Seriously think hard about this. If I buy a computer preloaded with Windows IE is free. Sure somewhere there is an included cost of Windows, but I don't see that price.
If I buy a computer with Linux preloaded on it then disguised in the price of the computer is some person who went through the configuration of the computer and installed everything properly so it works.
What the Open Source community really has to begin understanding that Free or Freedom that Open Source gives you is not really an argument that most people want. People want to get their jobs done, and if that means buying higher priced hardware (eg Apple) then they will do it.
I think this worked on the server side because freedom to configuration, twiddle and manage is actually very important on the server.
The way I compare it as follows. Most people could not care less if their hoods were welded shut because they would rather not want to look under the hood. They just want to drive from point A to point B.
Yet a farmer who uses vehicles wants to be able to take apart and reassemble their vehicle because they need to get things done right away. A Farmer has special needs from their vehicles and thus wants complete control or the freedom...
>Unfortunately, polishing off apps to make them more usable (or even just having them update the UI during a complex operation) is not a high salience issue, and so such things often get neglected in open source projects, even though they can be a deciding factor in keeping non-programmers interested.
And this is the reason why Linux on the desktop is actually a lame duck operating system. Linux on the server is a different issue, but on the desktop what actually costs money and time is finishing the application. I don't consider myself a desktop application programmer because I have seen how much time it takes to get things done. It is not easy! And when you have little things working I doubt that there is much patting on the back by the Open Source community.
Rather I see the Open Source community more interested in figuring out how to "reinvent the heap sort yet again." Yes for server stuff this is actually rather important, but desktop who cares if a sort takes 1 second or 0.5 seconds...
It reminds of the guy who quite Linux kernel development because his scheduler was passed over...
>In the end, If I had an easy way to explain repo's, I'd probably 'convert' more people. It is quite a mental shift for most that have only ever experienced Windows, and the free-for-all adding applications by the seat of your pants from the intertubes.
Repos are easier for YOU, not the average person. Give the average person a CD in hand, that is popped into the computer and installed with a few clicks. That's easy for them because they can follow the sequence of steps using physical pieces.
Repos on the other hand are dead easy to use once they are configured properly. For example to install on Ubuntu there are actually two repo windows. One for power users and one for general packages. Yet you can't have both running at the same time. Then to install you need to check some things to make sure you can see everything you want, and so on.
Yes once you know how repos work and what they represent they are dead easy. But the average user really doesn't want to learn about repos. They want to learn how to use their applications. The one company who REALLY understands this is Apple. How do you install an application? For the most part drag and drop... That's pretty damm smart and easy.
Everybody complains about the MS Tax because of the prices they see at the retail level. Folks see how much the OS costs in the store. But at the OEM level the OS costs are not that bad. Maybe this 20 USD is a bit low, but I can't see it more than 50 USD difference.
That's why I personally don't see Linux happening on the desktop. If two comparable laptops have a price differential of max 50 USD I think most people would say, "Oh hey why not Windows after all most stuff is compatible with Windows." Linux does not actually stand a chance.
After all, OSX, which is even more expensive than Windows and Linux is making inroads by many. The moral of the story is that on the desktop I don't think price of operating system is the major decision maker. People want things to work out of the box without any hassles
On the server side there is a huge price differential and that's also why I think Linux did make inroads on the server side.
Well here is a question why do anything? Most things like flying, driving, and so on did not seem useful. Let's take the car as an example. Look at the first model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car. In 1885 could you have seen that thing be more economical than say a horse? I doubt that the first model as proposed by Benz could even travel more than a couple of kilometers. And yet here we are with millions upon millions of cars.
The problem with space is that humanity dropped the ball. We should have done more sooner. Of course part of the problem is that America had to keep footing the bill. But think about what space travel has brought:
GPS, Satellite Media, The Ability to detect global warming, Satellite phones, etc, etc...
I am even thinking if we had traveled and lived in space quicker we would have less of a global warming problem. After all to be able to live in space you better be efficient and learn how to recycle...
What Sun is talking about is absolute BS. System administrators will not become like TV repairmen because companies will not trust to be hosted by some other company.
There are two approaches that corporations take to custom machinery (assembly lines for automated production). The first is that they get the machine builder to build and install the line. Then once the assembly line has been installed the local maintenance staff is trained to repair and manage the machines.
The second approach is that the company gets a custom machine built, and then they rely on service from the company. But in this situation that usually means having a guy from the machine company sit in an office of the company that uses machine all day long waiting for something to go wrong.
My point is that if Sun wants to go route 2, fair enough, but the sysadmin will still exist because I don't see little munchikens running around doing the job. What Sun is promoting is the rearranging the deck chairs! And I fail to see how this will improve the overall situation. Oh yeah I forgot Sun is IRRELEVANT and thus rearranging the deck chairs makes them relevant again! [/sarcasm]
Ok Java belongs to Sun.... BUT Open Office was not created by Sun. It was created by a company that I think was called StarOffice in Germany. Sun bought them out many moons ago and since then not much has changed.
No kidding... It is actually getting a bit tedious...
Linux on the server? Yeah I can see that...
Linux on the desktop? Nope not a chance... That moment passed.
Think about it... Vista took how long? And Vista is selling how much? And still people are saying "this is the year of Linux on the desktop." BUT... What has been gaining traction? OSX...
This says one thing. I want a desktop that works and lets me get my work done and I don't care if it costs.