Nothing caught this kid's imagination like seeing Armstrong and Aldrin hopping around on the moon, back in 1969. For that matter, not long before I was glued to the TV on Christmas Eve listening to the reading of Genesis. Nor does that mention the Mercury and Gemini flights.
Maybe I'm not an astronaut, or a payload specialist, or anything like that. But doggonnit, I *AM* a professional in the technology industry! Reading science fiction as a kid, following NASA and Cousteau, and a general bent toward science, math, and machines led me that way.
The greatest value out of NASA is to engage the imaginations of a new generation, and give them one more gentle nudge toward the technological professions. Robots just don't do that quite as well as people.
There are several angles from which a decision can be approached:
First and foremost, there is the one-liner in the Constitution. That one line can be picked apart and the syntax and semantics debated.
Second, one can look for 'obvious' flaws in the existing (extended) law, and see if they (again 'obviously') flout the Constitution.
Essentially, is the focus from the bottom-up or from current-law down. I hear a lot about 'strict constructionism' on the Court, and that would seem to me to favor the first, bottom-up approach.
Beyond that, one can begin reading the thoughts of the framers of the Constitution. Any/. reader will be quite familiar with Thomas Jefferson's thoughts, but Alexander Hamilton's opposing views will also weigh in, here.Then there is also the interesting comparison with patents. AFAIK, patent terms have been 17 years from day 1, and haven't been lengthened. In fact, recent reform put the additional cap of 21 years from date of file, to rein in people who stalled their patents in-office in order to extend protection.
Not only that, but you normally need a Commercial Driver's License to sit behind one of those.
We're all saying that qualified sysadmins are necessary, but do we really want to go to *licensed* sysadmins? I have this ugly feeling that at some point, it may well take a license to make that final connection to the Internet. At that point, your ISP will be the licensed party, and you will have to use provided software on a acceptable platform. How many ISPs will allow you to connect on your own authority, assuming that you are licensed, is the next question.
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Who knows, perhaps once their base is established their first half-dozen long-range sorties will be garbage runsto the old Apollo sites, "to eliminate counterrevolutionary evidence."
My own personal hope once upon a time was to someday walk on the elevated boardwalks around the Apollo 11 landing site and see Armstrong and Aldrin's footprints. Don't think it's going to happen, not even for my kids, maybe for my grandkids...
There are really two issues with what you want to do. First is digital logic and computer design, the second is hardware design and practice. The last word, "practice", is an especially tough nut. One other poster talked of wire-wrapping and messing up 6 connections out of 4000. I would suggest splitting this project into two phases, to be tackled in no particular order.
One Task: Learn about hardware construction on some simpler projects. Learn by building from working schematics.
The Other Task: Learn about computer design with simulation. Go get Icarus Verilog. (http://www.icarus.com/eda/verilog/index.html) There are microprocessor netlists available, get one. (Don't have a URL handy.) Learn to simulate it, learn Verilog, (or VHDL) then start designing your own.
Put the Two Together: Once you know how to work with hardware, and once you have a design that will simulate correctly, start thinking about building it. Besides, this is the way it's done in the Real World. Nobody comes up with a schematic, implement it in hardware, then begin debugging, any more. You don't start to touch hardware until you have a reasonable belief that your design will work, from simulation. Even then, there will still be plenty of room for debug on hardware.
Put it in Hotel-speak. What do you do when a customer asks for a non-smoking room so he can smoke? Don't forget that this is probably not supposed to be an *expensive* undertaking. Besides, as others have mentioned there are insoluble problems like IP reuse and discontiguous subnets. I presume here that you don't have explicit cooperation from the rest of that subnet to tunnel the laptop back through.
I'd start simple with DHCP and WINS. Then examine your customer base and see if adding a few static IPs makes sense without adding a lot of grief.
Trying to come out of the chute doing everything for everybody sounds like a surefire recipe for failure, with disaster an option.
A few years back there was an article in an aviation magazine about the US investigations into nuclear propulsion back in the 50's and 60's. I guess some of the kibosh came when they started looking for pilots who were "past reproductive age." There were investigations into a manned bomber, (I remember my older brother's plastic model of the thing when I was a kid.) and a cruise mother-missile that dropped bombs. The latter was called Project Pluto, and was the focus of the article.
It was meant to fly over enemy territory at Mach 3, dropping bombs. It was also had a terribly dirty exhaust. In the end, they weren't sure which caused more damage: sonic boom from the low-level supersonic overflight, the bombs, or the exhaust. One of the things that killed it was the inability to test, because we couldn't find a place to fly it over, since the flight alone was so obnoxious.
>>What would happen, for example, if Windows were "licensed" to exclude its use in conjunction with certain free software -- such as -- >>oh say -- Wine.
>Or worse, what if the Windows EULA was changed to explictly forbid running it in an emulated virtual machine? That would kill VirtualPC, VMware, >and plex86 all with one fell swoop -- and drive a lot of users back to the Windows platform.
Something like this has already happened. From what I read in the comments to a Codeweavers Crossover announcement, the Office XP license specifically requires that it be run on a valid licensed copy of Windows.
Now IANAL, but this makes me wonder about that wonderful monopoly-maintenance/extension concept called "tying". If Company X's product A works with their product B, but also works with Company Y's product C, I thought it was specifically illegal to create a "tie" between A and B that excludes C. Most of the time you have to "prove" things in court, but in this case, it seems to me that the only proof necessary is that Codeweavers Crossover really is capable of running Office XP, to specified levels. Beyond that, Microsoft has done the rest of the job in a "legal" document, the EULA.
But as I said, IANAL. Perhaps I'm mistaking monopoly mainetnance/extension here for "Innovation".
Nationalistic US crackers today announced that they had done the impossible - by revoking the PassPort account of Osama bin Laden, recently issued by the INS. An unnamed inside source was quoted as saying, "I didn't know there was ANY way to revoke a passport account. I wish I could use this technique to get rid of the extra accounts I get with every Microsoft purchase. But maybe not, after all my extra votes help on election day."
Pardon my FCC frequency allocation ignorance, but how much does Earth radiate at 21cm? (roughly 1.4GHz) There appears to be this presumption in SETI that they're trying to contact us. But other than a couple of bursts, are we trying to contact them? Or have we set the band aside as a quite space for radio astronomy, so on a random sampling nobody would find us?
... when Microsoft steered their ship to embrace, extend, and extinguish the Internet, it was a "point adjustment" compatible with their general direction and operating methods. Deciding to quit adding features and ensure security *IS* contrary to their general direction and operating methods. Microsoft has risen fast on gone far based on moving faster than their mistakes, on making quality job 1.1, on getting something out their for sale, and then selling the fixes to the bugs.
Getting the bugs out and making the software secure prior to first sale means that they can't run as fast, getting out ahead of competitors the way they used to. It also deprives them of the point-fix revenue stream.
Maybe now that they're a genuine, legal monopoly they can afford to change business models. That's part of the point of.net, after all. Most significant, it changes the ongoing revenue model from point-fix sales to simply ongoing revenue. (presumably services)
This turn will simply be harder than the Internet course correction.
But if you read between the lines, you'll find that at least some of these submarines have never been built. I guess they don't want to keep them around the showroom.
I first came across this site several years ago, from a pointer at www.memepool.com
At home, we get probably 60-some channels on cable. If you want to watch TV, pick one of those 60-some, or go to the tape store and pick one of probably a few thousand tapes. Most of the tapes are more-recent, more-popluar.If you want some older classic stuff, you're down to a few hundred selections.
Go to your library or a bookstore and you'll find a better selection. Or go to project Gutenberg and find some true classics, and one of the great values of the Public Domain.
Part of the feeling of irrelevance came from Joseph and Marygay's feeling of being stranded in time. ST:TNG touched on this topic one episode, though with a different treatment - the soldier who fought for a society, and is no longer able to return. In Forever War, the alienation is from cultural drift exaggerated by time dilation. In ST:TNG is was from the violence conditioning the people received in order to become soldiers.
Which brings us back to Forever Peace, in an odd way.
I also preferred the SciFi Dune miniseries to the old movie. I hope they do good treatments of both Forever War and Amber.
It appears that only Microsoft looks to the long run, because they nearly *always* make Microsoft products look like a good short-term decision.
I share your amazement that American business just hasn't managed to figure this out.
It's the same thing with adoption of Open Source. It seems more important to be able to play the blame game than to take matters into your own hands, and make sure your IT infrastructure stays up, though *you* might have to take some blame for an outage.
First, Merrill Lynch praised the portability of Linux applications and their ability to scale across the enterprise, with a swipe at proprietary applications. Maybe they'll wake up for a moment, and realize what their most locked-in platform is.
Second, this seems to be largely a matter of Linux moving into Unix turf. I expect to see some minor disasters happen with this type of migration, and that's a Good Thing. Why, because part of the savings is moving onto dirt cheap PCs from expensive hardware. Part of the expense of that old hardware is the label, but part is genuine quality, too. After someone starts to get a handle on money lost because PCs are too cheap, causing down-time and even some erroneous data, there will be a move to put some quality back in. We will all have a better quality spectrum to buy from, and it will be better labeled and reviewed.
Let's face it, their goal here is a "secret" shared by *every* CS college graduate. Then those graduates are potentially "polluted" from ever participating in Open Source development. Presumably the mechanism would be one or two high-profile court cases, to make an example and scare everyone else.
At least this is the conspiracy theory, which may have some merit.
But look at the flip side... When you start sharing a "secret" that widely, doesn't it start looking like mis-using the work "Kleenex" instead of "Kleenex-brand facial tissue"? The Kleenex trademark was lost that way, and the Windows trademark appears to be lost.
Unless every CS course begins with a legal session, explaining how, "This stuff is *secret*, and will compromise your capability to work on any project Microsoft doesn't like in the future, and they can sue you @$$es off because you've seen it," this looks like a recipe to lose the license terms.
I was once involved in a proprietary memory chip design my company purchased for us to base our design on. Very early on, the lawyers brought the whole team into a room and read the riot act to us, explaining what we could and could not do, based on the "pollution" of looking at that design.
There was also a nifty term called "residual knowledge" that applied then, and applies now.
I've looked in on the Internet Calendar IETF, and it appeared that while some drafts were being done, nothing was ready to start coding a client. That was a while back, and I guess I need to check, again. In the meantime, does anyone else have a better concept of the status?
In the meantime, http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/project/calsch/ and RFCs 2445, 2446, 2447, and 2739, as well as draft-ietf-calsch-cap, draft-ietf,calsch-imp-guide, draft-stracke-calsch-ical-reviewer, and draft-stracke-calsch-crisp. But just seeing these names is a long ways from knowing what is going on.
When I toured the Nautilus, we were given this little sound sticks that explained a bit about each place we walked past. It would have been really good, except the sub was so crowded that you could never stay at one spot long enough to hear everything. I'll admit that that is a problem with popularity, and the Albacore couldn't stand up to that kind of tour load even as well as the Nautilus.
The second thing was that everything was behind plexiglass. On the Albacore, you could sit down in a pilot's seat, at any of the other stations, in the crew's or officer's mess, or even try to lay in a bunk. (I don't fit.) The engine had the biggest electric motors I ever saw.
The third thing was what they did to make the Nautilus tourable. They cut through decks to put stairs in, and it destroyed some of the feel. The Albacore is cradled on land, with one door cut fore, and one aft. There has been minimal internal destruction, though you can't see what sleeping with torpedos was like, because it was a research vessel, and didn't have any.
Oh, I95 in Portsmouth, NH, last exit on the right as you're heading up the bridge into Maine.
As someone else mentioned, the Skipjack is/was a submarine. It was the first nuclear submarine with an Albacore-type hull. In essence the first 'true' submarine that was truly optimized for underwater, and not a surface ship that temporarily sinks.
Also FYI, the Albacore has been made into a museum, and is the BEST submarine tour I've ever been on, better than any WWII boats, and better than the Nautilus. The WWII boats are too old and worn, and the Nautilus is all behind plexiglass, and they've torn it up too much putting stairs and such in. The albacore is a single level, pretty much accessable from stem to stern.
Former submarine nut, until someone told me in second grade that I would be too tall to be on one. Still, it got me to read 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea at age 9.
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Nothing caught this kid's imagination like seeing Armstrong and Aldrin hopping around on the moon, back in 1969. For that matter, not long before I was glued to the TV on Christmas Eve listening to the reading of Genesis. Nor does that mention the Mercury and Gemini flights.
Maybe I'm not an astronaut, or a payload specialist, or anything like that. But doggonnit, I *AM* a professional in the technology industry! Reading science fiction as a kid, following NASA and Cousteau, and a general bent toward science, math, and machines led me that way.
The greatest value out of NASA is to engage the imaginations of a new generation, and give them one more gentle nudge toward the technological professions. Robots just don't do that quite as well as people.
With apologies to National Lampoon... (IIRC)
8 inches!
9 inches!
10 inches!
They're good men, but they still measure in inches.
There are several angles from which a decision can be approached:
/. reader will be quite familiar with Thomas Jefferson's thoughts, but Alexander Hamilton's opposing views will also weigh in, here.Then there is also the interesting comparison with patents. AFAIK, patent terms have been 17 years from day 1, and haven't been lengthened. In fact, recent reform put the additional cap of 21 years from date of file, to rein in people who stalled their patents in-office in order to extend protection.
First and foremost, there is the one-liner in the Constitution. That one line can be picked apart and the syntax and semantics debated.
Second, one can look for 'obvious' flaws in the existing (extended) law, and see if they (again 'obviously') flout the Constitution.
Essentially, is the focus from the bottom-up or from current-law down. I hear a lot about 'strict constructionism' on the Court, and that would seem to me to favor the first, bottom-up approach.
Beyond that, one can begin reading the thoughts of the framers of the Constitution. Any
Not only that, but you normally need a Commercial Driver's License to sit behind one of those.
We're all saying that qualified sysadmins are necessary, but do we really want to go to *licensed* sysadmins? I have this ugly feeling that at some point, it may well take a license to make that final connection to the Internet. At that point, your ISP will be the licensed party, and you will have to use provided software on a acceptable platform. How many ISPs will allow you to connect on your own authority, assuming that you are licensed, is the next question.
Who knows, perhaps once their base is established their first half-dozen long-range sorties will be garbage runsto the old Apollo sites, "to eliminate counterrevolutionary evidence."
My own personal hope once upon a time was to someday walk on the elevated boardwalks around the Apollo 11 landing site and see Armstrong and Aldrin's footprints. Don't think it's going to happen, not even for my kids, maybe for my grandkids...
There are really two issues with what you want to do. First is digital logic and computer design, the second is hardware design and practice. The last word, "practice", is an especially tough nut. One other poster talked of wire-wrapping and messing up 6 connections out of 4000. I would suggest splitting this project into two phases, to be tackled in no particular order.
One Task: Learn about hardware construction on some simpler projects. Learn by building from working schematics.
The Other Task: Learn about computer design with simulation. Go get Icarus Verilog. (http://www.icarus.com/eda/verilog/index.html) There are microprocessor netlists available, get one. (Don't have a URL handy.) Learn to simulate it, learn Verilog, (or VHDL) then start designing your own.
Put the Two Together: Once you know how to work with hardware, and once you have a design that will simulate correctly, start thinking about building it. Besides, this is the way it's done in the Real World. Nobody comes up with a schematic, implement it in hardware, then begin debugging, any more. You don't start to touch hardware until you have a reasonable belief that your design will work, from simulation. Even then, there will still be plenty of room for debug on hardware.
Put it in Hotel-speak. What do you do when a customer asks for a non-smoking room so he can smoke? Don't forget that this is probably not supposed to be an *expensive* undertaking. Besides, as others have mentioned there are insoluble problems like IP reuse and discontiguous subnets. I presume here that you don't have explicit cooperation from the rest of that subnet to tunnel the laptop back through.
I'd start simple with DHCP and WINS. Then examine your customer base and see if adding a few static IPs makes sense without adding a lot of grief.
Trying to come out of the chute doing everything for everybody sounds like a surefire recipe for failure, with disaster an option.
A few years back there was an article in an aviation magazine about the US investigations into nuclear propulsion back in the 50's and 60's. I guess some of the kibosh came when they started looking for pilots who were "past reproductive age." There were investigations into a manned bomber, (I remember my older brother's plastic model of the thing when I was a kid.) and a cruise mother-missile that dropped bombs. The latter was called Project Pluto, and was the focus of the article.
It was meant to fly over enemy territory at Mach 3, dropping bombs. It was also had a terribly dirty exhaust. In the end, they weren't sure which caused more damage: sonic boom from the low-level supersonic overflight, the bombs, or the exhaust. One of the things that killed it was the inability to test, because we couldn't find a place to fly it over, since the flight alone was so obnoxious.
>>What would happen, for example, if Windows were "licensed" to exclude its use in conjunction with certain free software -- such as --
>>oh say -- Wine.
>Or worse, what if the Windows EULA was changed to explictly forbid running it in an emulated virtual machine? That would kill VirtualPC, VMware,
>and plex86 all with one fell swoop -- and drive a lot of users back to the Windows platform.
Something like this has already happened. From what I read in the comments to a Codeweavers Crossover announcement, the Office XP license specifically requires that it be run on a valid licensed copy of Windows.
Now IANAL, but this makes me wonder about that wonderful monopoly-maintenance/extension concept called "tying". If Company X's product A works with their product B, but also works with Company Y's product C, I thought it was specifically illegal to create a "tie" between A and B that excludes C. Most of the time you have to "prove" things in court, but in this case, it seems to me that the only proof necessary is that Codeweavers Crossover really is capable of running Office XP, to specified levels. Beyond that, Microsoft has done the rest of the job in a "legal" document, the EULA.
But as I said, IANAL. Perhaps I'm mistaking monopoly mainetnance/extension here for "Innovation".
Nationalistic US crackers today announced that they had done the impossible - by revoking the PassPort account of Osama bin Laden, recently issued by the INS. An unnamed inside source was quoted as saying, "I didn't know there was ANY way to revoke a passport account. I wish I could use this technique to get rid of the extra accounts I get with every Microsoft purchase. But maybe not, after all my extra votes help on election day."
Pardon my FCC frequency allocation ignorance, but how much does Earth radiate at 21cm? (roughly 1.4GHz) There appears to be this presumption in SETI that they're trying to contact us. But other than a couple of bursts, are we trying to contact them? Or have we set the band aside as a quite space for radio astronomy, so on a random sampling nobody would find us?
... when Microsoft steered their ship to embrace, extend, and extinguish the Internet, it was a "point adjustment" compatible with their general direction and operating methods. Deciding to quit adding features and ensure security *IS* contrary to their general direction and operating methods. Microsoft has risen fast on gone far based on moving faster than their mistakes, on making quality job 1.1, on getting something out their for sale, and then selling the fixes to the bugs.
.net, after all. Most significant, it changes the ongoing revenue model from point-fix sales to simply ongoing revenue. (presumably services)
Getting the bugs out and making the software secure prior to first sale means that they can't run as fast, getting out ahead of competitors the way they used to. It also deprives them of the point-fix revenue stream.
Maybe now that they're a genuine, legal monopoly they can afford to change business models. That's part of the point of
This turn will simply be harder than the Internet course correction.
But if you read between the lines, you'll find that at least some of these submarines have never been built. I guess they don't want to keep them around the showroom.
I first came across this site several years ago, from a pointer at www.memepool.com
At home, we get probably 60-some channels on cable. If you want to watch TV, pick one of those 60-some, or go to the tape store and pick one of probably a few thousand tapes. Most of the tapes are more-recent, more-popluar.If you want some older classic stuff, you're down to a few hundred selections.
Go to your library or a bookstore and you'll find a better selection. Or go to project Gutenberg and find some true classics, and one of the great values of the Public Domain.
Jobs and Wozniak, Hewlett and Packard, even Gates and Allen....
They all began 'in a garage.' Precisely the kind of activity outlawed by the C.
With this Act, the Next Big Thing is pretty much guaranteed to NOT to come from the USA.
wasn't Forever Peace, but Forever Free.
Both very good books, IMHO.
Part of the feeling of irrelevance came from Joseph and Marygay's feeling of being stranded in time. ST:TNG touched on this topic one episode, though with a different treatment - the soldier who fought for a society, and is no longer able to return. In Forever War, the alienation is from cultural drift exaggerated by time dilation. In ST:TNG is was from the violence conditioning the people received in order to become soldiers.
Which brings us back to Forever Peace, in an odd way.
I also preferred the SciFi Dune miniseries to the old movie. I hope they do good treatments of both Forever War and Amber.
and comment on the web site added that this issue is about to make me a single-issue voter, like no other has in all the years I've been voting.
There's more at stake here than just our computers. This is way more important than just "News for Nerds."
It appears that only Microsoft looks to the long run, because they nearly *always* make Microsoft products look like a good short-term decision.
I share your amazement that American business just hasn't managed to figure this out.
It's the same thing with adoption of Open Source. It seems more important to be able to play the blame game than to take matters into your own hands, and make sure your IT infrastructure stays up, though *you* might have to take some blame for an outage.
First, Merrill Lynch praised the portability of Linux applications and their ability to scale across the enterprise, with a swipe at proprietary applications. Maybe they'll wake up for a moment, and realize what their most locked-in platform is.
Second, this seems to be largely a matter of Linux moving into Unix turf. I expect to see some minor disasters happen with this type of migration, and that's a Good Thing. Why, because part of the savings is moving onto dirt cheap PCs from expensive hardware. Part of the expense of that old hardware is the label, but part is genuine quality, too. After someone starts to get a handle on money lost because PCs are too cheap, causing down-time and even some erroneous data, there will be a move to put some quality back in. We will all have a better quality spectrum to buy from, and it will be better labeled and reviewed.
Let's face it, their goal here is a "secret" shared by *every* CS college graduate. Then those graduates are potentially "polluted" from ever participating in Open Source development. Presumably the mechanism would be one or two high-profile court cases, to make an example and scare everyone else.
At least this is the conspiracy theory, which may have some merit.
But look at the flip side... When you start sharing a "secret" that widely, doesn't it start looking like mis-using the work "Kleenex" instead of "Kleenex-brand facial tissue"? The Kleenex trademark was lost that way, and the Windows trademark appears to be lost.
Unless every CS course begins with a legal session, explaining how, "This stuff is *secret*, and will compromise your capability to work on any project Microsoft doesn't like in the future, and they can sue you @$$es off because you've seen it," this looks like a recipe to lose the license terms.
I was once involved in a proprietary memory chip design my company purchased for us to base our design on. Very early on, the lawyers brought the whole team into a room and read the riot act to us, explaining what we could and could not do, based on the "pollution" of looking at that design.
There was also a nifty term called "residual knowledge" that applied then, and applies now.
Any of these?
d RFCs 2445, 2446, 2447, and 2739, as well as draft-ietf-calsch-cap, draft-ietf,calsch-imp-guide, draft-stracke-calsch-ical-reviewer, and draft-stracke-calsch-crisp. But just seeing these names is a long ways from knowing what is going on.
I've looked in on the Internet Calendar IETF, and it appeared that while some drafts were being done, nothing was ready to start coding a client. That was a while back, and I guess I need to check, again. In the meantime, does anyone else have a better concept of the status?
In the meantime, http://www.mit.edu/afs/athena/project/calsch/
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When I toured the Nautilus, we were given this little sound sticks that explained a bit about each place we walked past. It would have been really good, except the sub was so crowded that you could never stay at one spot long enough to hear everything. I'll admit that that is a problem with popularity, and the Albacore couldn't stand up to that kind of tour load even as well as the Nautilus.
The second thing was that everything was behind plexiglass. On the Albacore, you could sit down in a pilot's seat, at any of the other stations, in the crew's or officer's mess, or even try to lay in a bunk. (I don't fit.) The engine had the biggest electric motors I ever saw.
The third thing was what they did to make the Nautilus tourable. They cut through decks to put stairs in, and it destroyed some of the feel. The Albacore is cradled on land, with one door cut fore, and one aft. There has been minimal internal destruction, though you can't see what sleeping with torpedos was like, because it was a research vessel, and didn't have any.
Oh, I95 in Portsmouth, NH, last exit on the right as you're heading up the bridge into Maine.
As someone else mentioned, the Skipjack is/was a submarine. It was the first nuclear submarine with an Albacore-type hull. In essence the first 'true' submarine that was truly optimized for underwater, and not a surface ship that temporarily sinks.
Also FYI, the Albacore has been made into a museum, and is the BEST submarine tour I've ever been on, better than any WWII boats, and better than the Nautilus. The WWII boats are too old and worn, and the Nautilus is all behind plexiglass, and they've torn it up too much putting stairs and such in. The albacore is a single level, pretty much accessable from stem to stern.
Former submarine nut, until someone told me in second grade that I would be too tall to be on one. Still, it got me to read 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea at age 9.
Never saw Liar, and I know a well-done Susan Calvin would be no looker. Still she's one of Dr. A's best characters ever.
Lambert shading is more primitive, essentially flat.