give it up. Have something better to do than criticize peoples' typing, dude. You have typos in your post, so watch that glass house action!
Which typo are you pointing out? Hemos spelled "shiny" wrong. He was asking if it was a joke that he should laugh it. It's not a joke, but you can still laugh. Go ahead, laugh. It's healthy. Even at the expense of others who can't spell shiny.
Have you noticed that the file extension on the Netscape toolbar is "twhat"? How friggin' perfect is that? I can't believe the person who came up with that didn't read it the way I read it.
I cun't believe they didn't catch that either, that' s pretty bad.
Most browsers support HTTP, and being able to edit content with a browser is a high pritority in my book. Also, there are existing HTTP implementations out there for many diffrent languages.
The same could be said with databases, and I've yet to see an SQL server with a direct HTTP port. HTTP is good for what it does, but it is not meant for anything like content management.
If you ever do any hardcore CGI development you will see why.
I'm naturally uptight, and I'll be working till probably the sun comes up tomorrow. Sleep for a bit, and do it again. So tell me again, why is Friday important?:)
I really don't think CTO of company XYZ cares what protocol is used for his CMS, just as long as it can work today. I agree that there should be a better solution, since I don't like the idea of staking tons of services on HTTP either. There should be a CMS protocol. But there isn't, so for now let's use what we can.
True, I'm speaking purely in regards to this being the "collaborative, interoperating, standard CMS" system. It's good, but not that good.
You mean like the way http is piggy backed on top of TCP which is piggy backed on top of IP which is piggy backed on top of ethernet?
No. Stop trying to come up with "clever" exceptions. TCP doesn't actually encapsulate structured data, whereas HTTP does. TCP is an abstract data communication protocol.
Do you have any actual critiques of webdav other than not liking that its protocol is based on top on http?
I'm not saying that I dislike WebDAV at all. I wish people would understand all I'm saying is I don't think it's a good idea to come up with a uniform CMS based off HTTP. Something of that caliber should use it's own protocol.
When most people say web-based they mean browser based. So, what does the WebDAV front page say? Go look, and asnwer.
If you actually meant http-based, I meant what WebDAV means when they say web-based, no more no less.
As portrayed by web services, people don't care what protocol is used. (Unless they are network admins) People care that something works. Web Services work for distributing objects and WebDAV works for CMS. It may not be the best thing, but it is here today.
The end-user doesn't care, mostly because they just don't know. However, I am talking about the people that set it up, and are admining CMS repositories because they decide what gets used. There are many things you cannot get when using HTTP extensions, regardless of how clever your system is. A constant connection to the CMS system would be invaluable to certain people, especially enterprises who want to have a dedicated terminal to the CMS system. If you are going to go with single-session (or small-time keep alive) why not use SOAP?
Have you actually ever administrated a CMS system, or wrote one, or even contributed a few lines of code to one? Or are you just disagreeing because you want to show that you think Web Services can be a Good Thing?
WebDAV has nothing to do with a browser and everything to do with HTTP.
It uses extensions based upon the http protocol, but WebDAV stands for Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning. Hence, it's Web-based. There are many clients, but why use HTTP for something it wasn't really designed for? Protocols are not some myseterious thing that should be piggy-backed upon. If you are going to spend the time writing RFCs why not come up with an actual CMS protocol.
Excuse me -- you don't want a web-based solution to content publishing?
Actually, no. There are many reasons for this. If it has a web-interface, that's fine. The structure should not be dependant on a webserver (Apache) though. Writing communication protocols isn't that hard, and they are seperate entities. Publishing to a website is easy, and can be done with minor output filtering and scripts from a CMS system.
Also, this is talking about content management, not content publishing. Similar in some regards, but very different.
'Cool' is something the speaker approves of. "Kewl" is something the speaker presumes a 12-year-old might approve of.
See, it's a self-parody of the slang in that example. They would describe only something as "kewl" which isn't really, at least not to them. Therefor they are not using the term seriously. When someone actuallys says, "This software is kewl!!!!!" it's a totally different story. When using "kewl" when one should use "cool" does not make you part of an elite counter-culture of AOL-denizens. It makes you a stupid moron buying into the fact your friends boast they are elite with their AOL.com email addresses.
Language is meant to evolve. Perhaps standardizing the slang and documenting it would be a better place for education.
Slang, you know, that's fine. Sometimes you shouldn't standardize it because it's just plain stupid.
I never understood the point of , 'u' in substitute for "you". It's two extra characters and it doesn't make you come across as an absolute lazy illiterate baboon. Maybe I'm just a bit pedantical. I really hate that. I really hate the new 'net' slang where half the words aren't any form of a shortcut. "Kewl" will make me remove a digit, for good measure, two. Cool is slang, Kewl is stupid. You can't slang-ify a slang word, it's just not right.
Having said that, if any school system ever, and I mean ever institutes a proper usage of "net slang" or "l33t speak" I will revolt and burn them to the ground to protect the nations future and younger generation.
Well, the prophecy does say the chosen one will bring balance to the force. Not that it will necessarily stay balanced. Particularly after the chosen one is dead.
True, what I'm thinking is why were they so stupid to train the chosen one if they are bringing balance. Apparently the ever-wise Jedi council overlooked their monopoly on The Force.
Woot, I've found someone as obsessive as me about DA's stuff:)
Absolutely. Not only do I read them, but I buy copies for friends to read for good measure. I think mostly so I can make jokes in regards and the get them instead of looking at me like I'm entirely, but not quite, insane.
It would definately make Lucas look like a genius, but like the good doctor, I don't believe that Lucas would be smart enough (or would let his ego deflate enough) to use this terrific plot that has been presented infront of him. Consider the possibilities: Yoda and the Emperor working together the whole time.... Darth & Obi-Wan setting this whole thing up to bring balance to the force... how crazy would this be! Lucas would forever be known as a movie genius!
It's kind of laid out, albeit vaguely. Yoda still lives because without Yoda, the force becomes out of balance. Vader and Obi wan are balanced. When Luke shows up, net positive so Obi Wan sacrifices himself. I think the line, "I will grow more powerful than you can ever imagine" means more like, "You are causing the force to collapse upon itself."
The only thing that pisses me off is that it does end up going out of balance anyway. I've always held onto the vague belief that Yoda was kept alive on purpose because by Yoda being alive, Palpatine was stronger. Of course, I think the whole thing is drivel I just want to find some reason to go watch it because it has good eye candy.
That story line definately has possibilities! Definitely.
Tell me if I'm wrong* but wasn't the whole pizza delivery thing related to one of the Dirk Gently novels? Woo, you are right. That was Kate and the pizza delivery, my memory is going out.
IIRC Trillian was picked up by Zaphod at a party in Ealing that Arthur attended.
Islington I believe, and Zaphod gate crashed and Arthur was trying to pick up on Trillian. Which is why Arthur didn't like Zaphod from the beginning.
then you can feel secure in the knowledge that you've just used the same method as anyone else who ever decided "how many bits" a system "is".
Actually, it was a joke. Anyone familiar with NEC and TG16 would have understood that. TG16 got knocked out of the US market because Sega and Nintendo spread the word it was only an "8-bit platform".
I'd give my left nut, well, I suppose I would have to give both to be Marvin.
Purely for the dialogue about the doors with Ford and Arthur. Damn I loved that. I think that the girl who played Amelie would make a great Trillian, assuming she can speak english with an english accent.
Just remember, even if you do buy the Bon Jovi CD on principle, your friends will still lose respect for you.
"I bought it for the principle!" just doesn't sound right.
In other news, Kenny G announced his new piracy-defeating measures by releasing another CD. His plans entail marketing only to the over-80 market, who still call computers televisions. In a recent interview, he seemed very excited to demonstrate that piracy only affects good musicians. When asked about Bon Jovi, Kenny G said they were planning a duet in which would be titled, "Kenny G and Bon Jovi: A tribute to the corpses who used to listen to us" and marketed under the pretense of expected zero piracy.
It's kind of eye-opening when you think about how games that seemed so great so long ago can now be fit on something so small as a card."
Do you guys not remember this platform? Those games were better than the SNES (on a technical level) and came on credit-card sized cartridges. In 1989. You remember 1989? A full two years before the SNES came out, if I recall.
Granted TurboGraphix 16 used 2x8bit processors and a 16 bit graphics processor, so what does that make it, one and a half 16 bit? Unfortunately most the games for TG16 were Japanese based or horrible fucking American-cheezy games.
But of course a human did program the art software, producing imagery within a set of constraints, so the soul has been programmed in. It's probably infinately more "art" than anything painted by an elephant.
Absolutely. I consider most the code I write to be of a certain degree of art. However, writing code that creates art is doubly soulfull in my opinion. Not only are you creating something you believe is art, but your creation is as well.
Besides all one has to do to see soulless and emotionless painting is to look at any Thomas Kincade work. +1, Funny because it's true.
GM's fuel cell cars are just a bandaid on the wound of excessive energy consumption caused by private vehicles. Even if they can be recharged overnight by electrolysis, that just moves pollution from the tailpipe to the smokestack, you are still moving over a ton of material to move one person. No, there are many reasons why fuel cells are being developed. They are not "just a bandaid on the wound of excessive energy consumption".
What smokestack, exactly, are you referring to? Your argument has a few holes in it. As for my ton of material to move one person, nope, I'm moving 1.5 tons of material to move one person, in comfort, as well as carry many things with me. Such as a laptop, chess set, motorcycle helmet (never know when you need it), inline skates, a change of clothes, complete music selection. If I can do that in mass transit, I'd take it. Till then, stuff your light rail right up your ass.
As a side benefit, we would greatly decrease our reliance on imported oil, and could tell all those towelhead in the mideast to suck sand. Japan's economy would certainly suffer, but they didn't have any qualms about destroying our electronic and automobile industry.
Great troll! I applaud your wonderful and subtly stupid and retarded entrance into this profound and utterly assinine statement. You realize that oil is still a huge import even without cars? We still will need oil, regardless if everyone takes mass transit. And how did Japan destroy our electronic and automobile industry? Please qualify this. If anything, Japanese companies showed American companies how to do things right.
This was almost a well crafted troll until that point. Then you went and ruined it because of that utterly stupid paragraph. Go back to How to Troll 101.
I'm currently developing a javascript based framework that relies on a few open child windows. Creating a list of open windows has been done, but I'm not exactly happy with the codebase. This is my first experience with JavaScript. What method do you use for knowing which child windows have been open and their status?
How can you tell its "very, very nice"? An important ingredient in any piece of clothing is what it looks like. The photos [burton.com] on Burton's website are so badly exposed that I can't see the jacket at all.
I'm not worried so much about that. Did you see the headphones? I mean, seriously. Those headphones will cause massive trauma on your first head-meets-object crash. I've done a face plant while extreme riding that broke a pair of carbon-fiber glasses into 5 pieces. I don't trust anything that large or made of hard plastic on my head.
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give it up. Have something better to do than criticize peoples' typing, dude. You have typos in your post, so watch that glass house action!
Which typo are you pointing out? Hemos spelled "shiny" wrong. He was asking if it was a joke that he should laugh it. It's not a joke, but you can still laugh. Go ahead, laugh. It's healthy. Even at the expense of others who can't spell shiny.
Have you noticed that the file extension on the Netscape toolbar is "twhat"? How friggin' perfect is that? I can't believe the person who came up with that didn't read it the way I read it.
I cun't believe they didn't catch that either, that' s pretty bad.
Most browsers support HTTP, and being able to edit content with a browser is a high pritority in my book. Also, there are existing HTTP implementations out there for many diffrent languages.
The same could be said with databases, and I've yet to see an SQL server with a direct HTTP port. HTTP is good for what it does, but it is not meant for anything like content management.
If you ever do any hardcore CGI development you will see why.
I agree 100%! :) :)
Fantastic
Have a good weekend.
Come on it's Friday! No need to get all up-tight.
:)
I'm naturally uptight, and I'll be working till probably the sun comes up tomorrow. Sleep for a bit, and do it again. So tell me again, why is Friday important?
I really don't think CTO of company XYZ cares what protocol is used for his CMS, just as long as it can work today. I agree that there should be a better solution, since I don't like the idea of staking tons of services on HTTP either. There should be a CMS protocol. But there isn't, so for now let's use what we can.
True, I'm speaking purely in regards to this being the "collaborative, interoperating, standard CMS" system. It's good, but not that good.
You mean like the way http is piggy backed on top of TCP which is piggy backed on top of IP which is piggy backed on top of ethernet?
No. Stop trying to come up with "clever" exceptions. TCP doesn't actually encapsulate structured data, whereas HTTP does. TCP is an abstract data communication protocol.
Do you have any actual critiques of webdav other than not liking that its protocol is based on top on http?
I'm not saying that I dislike WebDAV at all. I wish people would understand all I'm saying is I don't think it's a good idea to come up with a uniform CMS based off HTTP. Something of that caliber should use it's own protocol.
When most people say web-based they mean browser based.
So, what does the WebDAV front page say? Go look, and asnwer.
If you actually meant http-based,
I meant what WebDAV means when they say web-based, no more no less.
As portrayed by web services, people don't care what protocol is used. (Unless they are network admins) People care that something works. Web Services work for distributing objects and WebDAV works for CMS. It may not be the best thing, but it is here today.
The end-user doesn't care, mostly because they just don't know. However, I am talking about the people that set it up, and are admining CMS repositories because they decide what gets used. There are many things you cannot get when using HTTP extensions, regardless of how clever your system is. A constant connection to the CMS system would be invaluable to certain people, especially enterprises who want to have a dedicated terminal to the CMS system. If you are going to go with single-session (or small-time keep alive) why not use SOAP?
Have you actually ever administrated a CMS system, or wrote one, or even contributed a few lines of code to one? Or are you just disagreeing because you want to show that you think Web Services can be a Good Thing?
WebDAV has nothing to do with a browser and everything to do with HTTP.
It uses extensions based upon the http protocol, but WebDAV stands for Web-based Distributed Authoring and Versioning. Hence, it's Web-based. There are many clients, but why use HTTP for something it wasn't really designed for? Protocols are not some myseterious thing that should be piggy-backed upon. If you are going to spend the time writing RFCs why not come up with an actual CMS protocol.
Excuse me -- you don't want a web-based solution to content publishing?
Actually, no. There are many reasons for this. If it has a web-interface, that's fine. The structure should not be dependant on a webserver (Apache) though. Writing communication protocols isn't that hard, and they are seperate entities. Publishing to a website is easy, and can be done with minor output filtering and scripts from a CMS system.
Also, this is talking about content management, not content publishing. Similar in some regards, but very different.
Why can't WebDAV [webdav.org] be the standard?
Because many people don't want a web-based solution?
'Cool' is something the speaker approves of. "Kewl" is something the speaker presumes a 12-year-old might approve of.
See, it's a self-parody of the slang in that example. They would describe only something as "kewl" which isn't really, at least not to them. Therefor they are not using the term seriously. When someone actuallys says, "This software is kewl!!!!!" it's a totally different story. When using "kewl" when one should use "cool" does not make you part of an elite counter-culture of AOL-denizens. It makes you a stupid moron buying into the fact your friends boast they are elite with their AOL.com email addresses.
Language is meant to evolve. Perhaps standardizing the slang and documenting it would be a better place for education.
Slang, you know, that's fine. Sometimes you shouldn't standardize it because it's just plain stupid.
I never understood the point of , 'u' in substitute for "you". It's two extra characters and it doesn't make you come across as an absolute lazy illiterate baboon. Maybe I'm just a bit pedantical. I really hate that. I really hate the new 'net' slang where half the words aren't any form of a shortcut. "Kewl" will make me remove a digit, for good measure, two. Cool is slang, Kewl is stupid. You can't slang-ify a slang word, it's just not right.
Having said that, if any school system ever, and I mean ever institutes a proper usage of "net slang" or "l33t speak" I will revolt and burn them to the ground to protect the nations future and younger generation.
Well, the prophecy does say the chosen one will bring balance to the force. Not that it will necessarily stay balanced. Particularly after the chosen one is dead.
True, what I'm thinking is why were they so stupid to train the chosen one if they are bringing balance. Apparently the ever-wise Jedi council overlooked their monopoly on The Force.
Woot, I've found someone as obsessive as me about DA's stuff :)
Absolutely. Not only do I read them, but I buy copies for friends to read for good measure. I think mostly so I can make jokes in regards and the get them instead of looking at me like I'm entirely, but not quite, insane.
It would definately make Lucas look like a genius, but like the good doctor, I don't believe that Lucas would be smart enough (or would let his ego deflate enough) to use this terrific plot that has been presented infront of him. .... Darth & Obi-Wan setting this whole thing up to bring balance to the force ... how crazy would this be! Lucas would forever be known as a movie genius!
Consider the possibilities: Yoda and the Emperor working together the whole time
It's kind of laid out, albeit vaguely. Yoda still lives because without Yoda, the force becomes out of balance. Vader and Obi wan are balanced. When Luke shows up, net positive so Obi Wan sacrifices himself. I think the line, "I will grow more powerful than you can ever imagine" means more like, "You are causing the force to collapse upon itself."
The only thing that pisses me off is that it does end up going out of balance anyway. I've always held onto the vague belief that Yoda was kept alive on purpose because by Yoda being alive, Palpatine was stronger. Of course, I think the whole thing is drivel I just want to find some reason to go watch it because it has good eye candy.
That story line definately has possibilities!
Definitely.
Tell me if I'm wrong* but wasn't the whole pizza delivery thing related to one of the Dirk Gently novels?
Woo, you are right. That was Kate and the pizza delivery, my memory is going out.
IIRC Trillian was picked up by Zaphod at a party in Ealing that Arthur attended.
Islington I believe, and Zaphod gate crashed and Arthur was trying to pick up on Trillian. Which is why Arthur didn't like Zaphod from the beginning.
then you can feel secure in the knowledge that you've just used the same method as anyone else who ever decided "how many bits" a system "is".
Actually, it was a joke. Anyone familiar with NEC and TG16 would have understood that. TG16 got knocked out of the US market because Sega and Nintendo spread the word it was only an "8-bit platform".
Trillian is from the UK.
She is actually from New York. Remember delivery pizza? A UK accent would work for her though, as long as it had some american influence.
I'd give my left nut, well, I suppose I would have to give both to be Marvin.
Purely for the dialogue about the doors with Ford and Arthur. Damn I loved that. I think that the girl who played Amelie would make a great Trillian, assuming she can speak english with an english accent.
I bought this CD for-
[ ] the music
[ ] the principle
Just remember, even if you do buy the Bon Jovi CD on principle, your friends will still lose respect for you.
"I bought it for the principle!" just doesn't sound right.
In other news, Kenny G announced his new piracy-defeating measures by releasing another CD. His plans entail marketing only to the over-80 market, who still call computers televisions. In a recent interview, he seemed very excited to demonstrate that piracy only affects good musicians. When asked about Bon Jovi, Kenny G said they were planning a duet in which would be titled, "Kenny G and Bon Jovi: A tribute to the corpses who used to listen to us" and marketed under the pretense of expected zero piracy.
It's kind of eye-opening when you think about how games that seemed so great so long ago can now be fit on something so small as a card."
Do you guys not remember this platform? Those games were better than the SNES (on a technical level) and came on credit-card sized cartridges. In 1989. You remember 1989? A full two years before the SNES came out, if I recall.
Granted TurboGraphix 16 used 2x8bit processors and a 16 bit graphics processor, so what does that make it, one and a half 16 bit? Unfortunately most the games for TG16 were Japanese based or horrible fucking American-cheezy games.
But of course a human did program the art software, producing imagery within a set of constraints, so the soul has been programmed in. It's probably infinately more "art" than anything painted by an elephant.
Absolutely. I consider most the code I write to be of a certain degree of art. However, writing code that creates art is doubly soulfull in my opinion. Not only are you creating something you believe is art, but your creation is as well.
Besides all one has to do to see soulless and emotionless painting is to look at any Thomas Kincade work.
+1, Funny because it's true.
GM's fuel cell cars are just a bandaid on the wound of excessive energy consumption caused by private vehicles. Even if they can be recharged overnight by electrolysis, that just moves pollution from the tailpipe to the smokestack, you are still moving over a ton of material to move one person.
No, there are many reasons why fuel cells are being developed. They are not "just a bandaid on the wound of excessive energy consumption".
What smokestack, exactly, are you referring to? Your argument has a few holes in it. As for my ton of material to move one person, nope, I'm moving 1.5 tons of material to move one person, in comfort, as well as carry many things with me. Such as a laptop, chess set, motorcycle helmet (never know when you need it), inline skates, a change of clothes, complete music selection. If I can do that in mass transit, I'd take it. Till then, stuff your light rail right up your ass.
As a side benefit, we would greatly decrease our reliance on imported oil, and could tell all those towelhead in the mideast to suck sand. Japan's economy would certainly suffer, but they didn't have any qualms about destroying our electronic and automobile industry.
Great troll! I applaud your wonderful and subtly stupid and retarded entrance into this profound and utterly assinine statement. You realize that oil is still a huge import even without cars? We still will need oil, regardless if everyone takes mass transit. And how did Japan destroy our electronic and automobile industry? Please qualify this. If anything, Japanese companies showed American companies how to do things right.
This was almost a well crafted troll until that point. Then you went and ruined it because of that utterly stupid paragraph. Go back to How to Troll 101.
I'm currently developing a javascript based framework that relies on a few open child windows. Creating a list of open windows has been done, but I'm not exactly happy with the codebase. This is my first experience with JavaScript. What method do you use for knowing which child windows have been open and their status?
How can you tell its "very, very nice"? An important ingredient in any piece of clothing is what it looks like. The photos [burton.com] on Burton's website are so badly exposed that I can't see the jacket at all.
I'm not worried so much about that. Did you see the headphones? I mean, seriously. Those headphones will cause massive trauma on your first head-meets-object crash. I've done a face plant while extreme riding that broke a pair of carbon-fiber glasses into 5 pieces. I don't trust anything that large or made of hard plastic on my head.