and just like every other exploit they find, they worked WITH the developers to give them a little time to develop/test the patch before they made the announcement.
Are you implying that you know something about the Apache hole that hasn't made it onto the BugTraq shit-fling fest? I'm anxious to know!
Yeah. I like the way the SlashDot kill file works.
I just have a hot-key mapped to "kill", and then I can kill posts (and articles) based on a regular expression executed against the thread, the subject, or the poster of a message. It's really cool! We never had anything like it back in the 80's, when we were stuck with crappy USENET news readers.
No, wait, I'm all fucked up. The newsreaders we were using before some of the SlashDot posters were born make the SlashDot interface just look sad.
You block Instant Messenger Exactly the same way you block innappropriate phone calls and abuse of the company's internal mail system. You make a company policy that says "don't do this bad thing", and then your managers enforce the policy using exactly the same methods they use to enforce all the other policies.
You can find all sorts of technical solutions for social problems, but they usually cause more trouble than the problem you're trying to solve.
You don't need a course in "FireWall 101." You need a course in "Business Management 101." It's a pretty good bet you won't find any help on SlashDot for that.
The design and implementation are part of the homebuilt process
You're not getting a Heath Kit and wire-wrapping a Z80. You're not designing anything. You're not implementing anything. You're buying a couple of industry-standard components out of a warehouse and slapping them together. A monkey could do it.
not to mention the software configuration
Again, you're not writing device drivers and bootstrapping an operating system to sit on top of your home built Z80 machine. You're buying a commodity operating system, sticking the install disk in the CD, and click-click-clicking on a couple of pretty dialog boxes when they pop up.
Don't misunderstand -- it's fun to put together a PC. But don't fool yourself into thinking you've done anything amazing. You're not "building a computer" when you buy some parts from newegg.com, any more than the guy at Tires-Plus is "building a car" when he puts a new set of Dunlops on a Chevy.
So, what do you do with it? Turn it on and wait for it to beeb when the Power-On-Self-Test fails when it discovers the missing keyboard?
Most of us like to use a computer that has a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, and operating system. Hell, some people even like tech support and warranties, but YMMV. Maybe you're able to steal software, use old parts, and waste your valuable time trying to fix stuff yourself, but Dell probably wouldn't stay in business very long if they asked their customers to do the same.
Yeah, except the dell comes with ethernet, sound card, video card, speakers, keyboard, mouse, monitor, operating system, tech support, and warranty. In the world I live in, those things cost money too. Maybe you're able to download speakers off the internet or something.
And, of course, if you get the Dell you don't have to dick around for five hours selecting and ordering the parts, finding drivers, putting everything together, and installing the OS. In the world I live in, my time is worth something. Maybe you're able to download time off the internet or something.
Seriously, this is totally amazing. This thing: - had the desire to break out of the cage
Umm... I'm pretty sure the article didn't say anything about that at all. Of course, the slashdot editors may have selected a submission from a reader who implied that, but then again the slashdot editors routinely select articles from readers who are unable to tell the difference between England and Australia.
Either:
The slashdot editors intentionally select factually incorrect submissions, or
The slashdot editors can't be bothered to care if an article is factually incorrect, or
The slashdot editors are so stupid they're unable to know if a submission is factually incorrect.
Any way you cut it, you should be very careful before you base any philosphy of wonder on anything you find on this site.
After the first sysadmin is fired, I guarantee you that the remaining ones, plus the new guy's successor, will very quickly come up with a system or systems which allows the proper level of knowledge-transfer.
First Sys-Admin: Where do we keep the good tonor cartridges? I'm going to print 100 copies of my resume tonight.
Second Sys-Admin: I've got it in this printer lp23. You can use it as soon as I'm done printing my resume.
New Sys-Admin: Hey! Save some of that tonor for me, too!
They go on to detail how they had to mark the buttons so that Nixon could use a tape recorder. Wow.
Imagine -- the guy needed instructions to use his custom built, custom installed voice-activated tape recorder. And, since he the times that he had to make damn sure he was using it right were probably times he didn't want some 23 year old geek getting in his way, he made damn sure the geeks marked the custom-installed buttons for the thing at the same time they gave him verbel instructions.
Yeah, Nixon was a moron. You're clearly so much smarter, because you can use linux.
They aren't published because you actually have to pay for that info.
But, doesnt information want to be free?
As other people have already pointed out in this thread, PC's are a lot cheaper for hobbyists and other people who don't value their own time. This group of people probably heavily overlaps with the group of people who don't value the Gartner Group's time to compile the report.
This overlap probably doesn't affect the Gartner Group at all -- the only people they can reasonably expect to sell the report to are people who value time, and the conclusions are probably only applicable to people who value time, so it must all work out in the end.
Let's break it out. You make the following trolleriffic claims:
1. You believe an aztec is "a big truck."
2. You believe SUV's are "big trucks."
3. You want to drive "a big truck."
4. You believe people who drive SUV's are Dorks.
5. You believe people who drive Fords are Dorks.
6. You believe mustangs are "supposed fast."0
7. You believe that heavily riced out low-end japanese hobby cars are "supposed fast."
8. Your definition of "fast" is "i get away from stoplights quickly."
9. You compare a Pontiac to a Buick.
I would give you a perfect 6.0 out of six points, except the execution falls short. First, you failed to mention that your Pontiac Aztec run the superior operating system, Windows CE. Second, you failed to make the analogy that the American-built Pontiac Aztecs is like a well-made Apple Macintosh, while inferior European and Japanese cars are built like a crappy PC-Compatible or cheap Unix Workstation. Last, of course, you trolled anonymously, which is an automatic 2 point deductions.
Overall, I'm going to give you a 3.5 out of 6.0. But you show great promise, and I'm sure you can improve.
Now to dissect it and decide whether to ban bash on shared servers:)
Uhh... yeah.
You really shouldn't be a sys admin unless you can understand painfully simple shell scripts. You also probably shouldn't be a sysadmin if a fork bomb is a brand new thing to you.
Did your submission include a reference to winproxy, cygwin, and squid? Was your submission totally incomprehensible, utterly failing to explain what Starband is, or what relation it might have with cygwin and squid?
Hell, I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to figure out if Starband had been funding either squid, or perhaps the cygwin port of squid. Obviously, if your submission was clear and concise, it wouldn't have pissed me off so much. Then, I wouldn't be so pissed that I'd spend another 5 minutes writing this whiney post. Then, I wouldn't have been staring at the RedHat Linux ad for the last 5 minutes, and the sense of community I get from this website would be gone.
What, MTV gives out awards during the annual MTV movie awards? I'm trying to imagine why -- I suppose they need an excuse to show the studio sponsored DVD advertisements, and giving out meaningless awards was as good an excuse as anything else.
The real dissappointment for me this year is that MTV hasn't released a lot of publicity photos of scantily clad women at this year's event. Without the promise nearly-naked hollywood chicks, I really can't find any reason to watch the show anyhow.
I'm sure as hell not going to watch another two hour long advertisement for "The Fast and the Furious" and "Moulin Rouge" without getting something from it.
Fargo and Minneapolis are close enough that a bus trip wouldn't be much longer
A Greyhound bus trip from Fargo to Minneapolis takes about 6 hours. Round trip costs about $60.
A Fargo-Minneapolis plane trip, including check in, is usually about 1 hour, 45 minutes.
So, flying on the plane saves about 8 1/2 hours round trip, but costs an extra $130. It also avoids the downright squalid conditions on the Greyhound bus, which is a big bonus.
Obviously, saving a day of work is worth more than $130 to me, and way more than $130 to my employer, but it's an irrelevant comparison. Everyone I know just takes the three hours to drive a car the 200 miles Minneapolis. Round trip, it's still two and a half hours more than the plane, but at least the tiem isn't as horrid as the bus.
After 5 minutes search I found a double room for $70 near central park.
Uhh... you do NOT want to stay in that hotel. Believe me. Really, really cheap hotels in big US cities are not geared towards conventioneers. They're geared towards psychopaths and drug addicts who exchange their monthly disability checks for a cheap room. It's not exactly the kind of place you would want to bring an expensive laptop. Or cash. Or credit cards.
how much do taxis cost in new york?
I have no idea, but I assume they're the same in New York as they are just about anywhere else -- figure a minimum of $10 to go a city block, and and extra $5 a mile or so in very low traffic areas.
Doesnt the U.S. have low cost airlines? Out of the holiday season I can fly across europe (to greece) for about $150.
Sure. If I plan far enough in advance, I can fly from Fargo, North Dakota to Minneapolis, Minnesota for less than $200, round trip. In fact, during "the holiday season" (which in the US is defined as the "four day weekend near Christmas"), fares usually doesn't go up significantly.
I trust that VA Software will reserve thousands of rooms at an expensive hotel, and reserve an expensive convention hall for the event. Also, I hope that VA Software spends tens of thousands of dollars on expensive, nearly nude booth babes, and pays for expensive and interesting guest speakers. It would be cool if there was some expensive entertainment as well -- some modern bands would be great. And I hope there's some really expensive, cool swag given away. Oh, and I hope VA Linux charters some planes as well, flying from most major cities in the US and the rest of the world.
Uhh... this is going to be entirely free, isn't it? You see, like most of the people who read Slashdot, I'm only 15 years old, and I work at McDonalds. I don't really have any money.
Yes, it's trivial. Just add the line "127.0.0.1 slashdot.org" to your/etc/hosts file, and amazingly only the slashdot troll stories will be selectively filtered out.
If I had mod points, I would give them to you in a heartbeat.
I have no idea what the original poster considers an "exorbitant" price for wiring. I have a difficult time imagining that doing all the wiring for a bunch of call center fixed phone stations without ethernet is going to be significantly less than doing all the wiring for a bunch of call center fixed phone stations with ethernet. If it is significantly different, the submitter should suggest to the owners that they get additional quotes. If the owner refuses, well... either he's spending his own money foolishly, or there's some type of fraud going on. Time to polish up the resume, I guess.
sometimes it's interesting to see someone on *this* side of the political fence
People, please don't reply to this article. It's an obvious troll, selected by the Slashdot only to generate a slew of indignant replies, and not to inform or generate informative discussion.
Think about it -- why was this submission selected, over the hundreds of other submissions Slashdot gets each day? It's absolutely no secret to anyone with a newspaper that Kuwait is a backwards, repressive regime, and pointing it out is hardly "News for nerds." I believe it was selected only because of the "troll-hook" at the end, designed to allow us all to engage in the type of useless political bashing that results in a little heat, and no light.
No, Timothy, it just killed eight people. I imagine most of them didn't read slashdot, so it's easy to understand why you don't give a fuck.
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I now rarely read the board on Katz related topics because their is so much off-topic abuse. Just a lot of self-important indignance.
I rarely read Katz articles because he seldom can be bothered to come up with a fucking topic.
His posts generate a bunch of Katz bashing, because there's not much else to do after you've read one of his stories. I mean, what should we do? Debate the meaning of his insipid, ignorant, worthless prattle?
The full value of this site is that it sometimes generates some decent replys to the otherwise banal stories. Katz isn't even capable of posting a story that generates a decent reply -- he just gets plenty of people asking him to shut the hell up.
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and just like every other exploit they find, they worked WITH the developers to give them a little time to develop/test the patch before they made the announcement.
Are you implying that you know something about the Apache hole that hasn't made it onto the BugTraq shit-fling fest? I'm anxious to know!
Yeah. I like the way the SlashDot kill file works.
I just have a hot-key mapped to "kill", and then I can kill posts (and articles) based on a regular expression executed against the thread, the subject, or the poster of a message. It's really cool! We never had anything like it back in the 80's, when we were stuck with crappy USENET news readers.
No, wait, I'm all fucked up. The newsreaders we were using before some of the SlashDot posters were born make the SlashDot interface just look sad.
You block Instant Messenger Exactly the same way you block innappropriate phone calls and abuse of the company's internal mail system. You make a company policy that says "don't do this bad thing", and then your managers enforce the policy using exactly the same methods they use to enforce all the other policies.
You can find all sorts of technical solutions for social problems, but they usually cause more trouble than the problem you're trying to solve.
You don't need a course in "FireWall 101." You need a course in "Business Management 101." It's a pretty good bet you won't find any help on SlashDot for that.
The design and implementation are part of the homebuilt process
You're not getting a Heath Kit and wire-wrapping a Z80. You're not designing anything. You're not implementing anything. You're buying a couple of industry-standard components out of a warehouse and slapping them together. A monkey could do it.
not to mention the software configuration
Again, you're not writing device drivers and bootstrapping an operating system to sit on top of your home built Z80 machine. You're buying a commodity operating system, sticking the install disk in the CD, and click-click-clicking on a couple of pretty dialog boxes when they pop up.
Don't misunderstand -- it's fun to put together a PC. But don't fool yourself into thinking you've done anything amazing. You're not "building a computer" when you buy some parts from newegg.com, any more than the guy at Tires-Plus is "building a car" when he puts a new set of Dunlops on a Chevy.
So, what do you do with it? Turn it on and wait for it to beeb when the Power-On-Self-Test fails when it discovers the missing keyboard?
Most of us like to use a computer that has a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, and operating system. Hell, some people even like tech support and warranties, but YMMV. Maybe you're able to steal software, use old parts, and waste your valuable time trying to fix stuff yourself, but Dell probably wouldn't stay in business very long if they asked their customers to do the same.
Yeah, except the dell comes with ethernet, sound card, video card, speakers, keyboard, mouse, monitor, operating system, tech support, and warranty. In the world I live in, those things cost money too. Maybe you're able to download speakers off the internet or something.
And, of course, if you get the Dell you don't have to dick around for five hours selecting and ordering the parts, finding drivers, putting everything together, and installing the OS. In the world I live in, my time is worth something. Maybe you're able to download time off the internet or something.
- had the desire to break out of the cage
Umm... I'm pretty sure the article didn't say anything about that at all. Of course, the slashdot editors may have selected a submission from a reader who implied that, but then again the slashdot editors routinely select articles from readers who are unable to tell the difference between England and Australia.
Either:
- The slashdot editors intentionally select factually incorrect submissions, or
- The slashdot editors can't be bothered to care if an article is factually incorrect, or
- The slashdot editors are so stupid they're unable to know if a submission is factually incorrect.
Any way you cut it, you should be very careful before you base any philosphy of wonder on anything you find on this site.the gang seemed intent on taking the batteries Edith had just bought from the hardware store
Don't you watch Seinfeld? Everyone knows old people steal batteries.
Considering that 1/2 the readers here are probably admins themselves...
Damn... coffee just sprayed out of my nose, and all over my keyboard. I had no idea the +0 comments were so damned funny.
After the first sysadmin is fired, I guarantee you that the remaining ones, plus the new guy's successor, will very quickly come up with a system or systems which allows the proper level of knowledge-transfer.
First Sys-Admin: Where do we keep the good tonor cartridges? I'm going to print 100 copies of my resume tonight.
Second Sys-Admin: I've got it in this printer lp23. You can use it as soon as I'm done printing my resume.
New Sys-Admin: Hey! Save some of that tonor for me, too!
Is that the type of knowledge transfer you mean?
They go on to detail how they had to mark the buttons so that Nixon could use a tape recorder. Wow.
Imagine -- the guy needed instructions to use his custom built, custom installed voice-activated tape recorder. And, since he the times that he had to make damn sure he was using it right were probably times he didn't want some 23 year old geek getting in his way, he made damn sure the geeks marked the custom-installed buttons for the thing at the same time they gave him verbel instructions.
Yeah, Nixon was a moron. You're clearly so much smarter, because you can use linux.
It's official - /. has begun it's downhill slide with this "news item"
Note to moderators: This should be "+5 droll", or "+5 sarcastic", or even "+5 troll". Since none of those are available, I guess "+5 funny" will do.
They aren't published because you actually have to pay for that info.
But, doesnt information want to be free?
As other people have already pointed out in this thread, PC's are a lot cheaper for hobbyists and other people who don't value their own time. This group of people probably heavily overlaps with the group of people who don't value the Gartner Group's time to compile the report.
This overlap probably doesn't affect the Gartner Group at all -- the only people they can reasonably expect to sell the report to are people who value time, and the conclusions are probably only applicable to people who value time, so it must all work out in the end.
What a beautiful troll!
Let's break it out. You make the following trolleriffic claims:
1. You believe an aztec is "a big truck."
2. You believe SUV's are "big trucks."
3. You want to drive "a big truck."
4. You believe people who drive SUV's are Dorks.
5. You believe people who drive Fords are Dorks.
6. You believe mustangs are "supposed fast."0
7. You believe that heavily riced out low-end japanese hobby cars are "supposed fast."
8. Your definition of "fast" is "i get away from stoplights quickly."
9. You compare a Pontiac to a Buick.
I would give you a perfect 6.0 out of six points, except the execution falls short. First, you failed to mention that your Pontiac Aztec run the superior operating system, Windows CE. Second, you failed to make the analogy that the American-built Pontiac Aztecs is like a well-made Apple Macintosh, while inferior European and Japanese cars are built like a crappy PC-Compatible or cheap Unix Workstation. Last, of course, you trolled anonymously, which is an automatic 2 point deductions.
Overall, I'm going to give you a 3.5 out of 6.0. But you show great promise, and I'm sure you can improve.
Now to dissect it and decide whether to ban bash on shared servers :)
Uhh... yeah.
You really shouldn't be a sys admin unless you can understand painfully simple shell scripts. You also probably shouldn't be a sysadmin if a fork bomb is a brand new thing to you.
Perhaps you should read a book about unix?
2002-06-02 12:46:12 Starband files Chapter 11 (articles,news)(rejected)
Did your submission include a reference to winproxy, cygwin, and squid? Was your submission totally incomprehensible, utterly failing to explain what Starband is, or what relation it might have with cygwin and squid?
Hell, I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to figure out if Starband had been funding either squid, or perhaps the cygwin port of squid. Obviously, if your submission was clear and concise, it wouldn't have pissed me off so much. Then, I wouldn't be so pissed that I'd spend another 5 minutes writing this whiney post. Then, I wouldn't have been staring at the RedHat Linux ad for the last 5 minutes, and the sense of community I get from this website would be gone.
What, MTV gives out awards during the annual MTV movie awards? I'm trying to imagine why -- I suppose they need an excuse to show the studio sponsored DVD advertisements, and giving out meaningless awards was as good an excuse as anything else.
The real dissappointment for me this year is that MTV hasn't released a lot of publicity photos of scantily clad women at this year's event. Without the promise nearly-naked hollywood chicks, I really can't find any reason to watch the show anyhow.
I'm sure as hell not going to watch another two hour long advertisement for "The Fast and the Furious" and "Moulin Rouge" without getting something from it.
Fargo and Minneapolis are close enough that a bus trip wouldn't be much longer
A Greyhound bus trip from Fargo to Minneapolis takes about 6 hours. Round trip costs about $60.
A Fargo-Minneapolis plane trip, including check in, is usually about 1 hour, 45 minutes.
So, flying on the plane saves about 8 1/2 hours round trip, but costs an extra $130. It also avoids the downright squalid conditions on the Greyhound bus, which is a big bonus.
Obviously, saving a day of work is worth more than $130 to me, and way more than $130 to my employer, but it's an irrelevant comparison. Everyone I know just takes the three hours to drive a car the 200 miles Minneapolis. Round trip, it's still two and a half hours more than the plane, but at least the tiem isn't as horrid as the bus.
After 5 minutes search I found a double room for $70 near central park.
Uhh... you do NOT want to stay in that hotel. Believe me. Really, really cheap hotels in big US cities are not geared towards conventioneers. They're geared towards psychopaths and drug addicts who exchange their monthly disability checks for a cheap room. It's not exactly the kind of place you would want to bring an expensive laptop. Or cash. Or credit cards.
how much do taxis cost in new york?
I have no idea, but I assume they're the same in New York as they are just about anywhere else -- figure a minimum of $10 to go a city block, and and extra $5 a mile or so in very low traffic areas.
Doesnt the U.S. have low cost airlines? Out of the holiday season I can fly across europe (to greece) for about $150.
Sure. If I plan far enough in advance, I can fly from Fargo, North Dakota to Minneapolis, Minnesota for less than $200, round trip. In fact, during "the holiday season" (which in the US is defined as the "four day weekend near Christmas"), fares usually doesn't go up significantly.
I will most definitely attend.
I trust that VA Software will reserve thousands of rooms at an expensive hotel, and reserve an expensive convention hall for the event. Also, I hope that VA Software spends tens of thousands of dollars on expensive, nearly nude booth babes, and pays for expensive and interesting guest speakers. It would be cool if there was some expensive entertainment as well -- some modern bands would be great. And I hope there's some really expensive, cool swag given away. Oh, and I hope VA Linux charters some planes as well, flying from most major cities in the US and the rest of the world.
Uhh... this is going to be entirely free, isn't it? You see, like most of the people who read Slashdot, I'm only 15 years old, and I work at McDonalds. I don't really have any money.
Is there a way to moderate a story as Troll -1?
/etc/hosts file, and amazingly only the slashdot troll stories will be selectively filtered out.
Yes, it's trivial. Just add the line "127.0.0.1 slashdot.org" to your
If I had mod points, I would give them to you in a heartbeat.
I have no idea what the original poster considers an "exorbitant" price for wiring. I have a difficult time imagining that doing all the wiring for a bunch of call center fixed phone stations without ethernet is going to be significantly less than doing all the wiring for a bunch of call center fixed phone stations with ethernet. If it is significantly different, the submitter should suggest to the owners that they get additional quotes. If the owner refuses, well... either he's spending his own money foolishly, or there's some type of fraud going on. Time to polish up the resume, I guess.
sometimes it's interesting to see someone on *this* side of the political fence
People, please don't reply to this article. It's an obvious troll, selected by the Slashdot only to generate a slew of indignant replies, and not to inform or generate informative discussion.
Think about it -- why was this submission selected, over the hundreds of other submissions Slashdot gets each day? It's absolutely no secret to anyone with a newspaper that Kuwait is a backwards, repressive regime, and pointing it out is hardly "News for nerds." I believe it was selected only because of the "troll-hook" at the end, designed to allow us all to engage in the type of useless political bashing that results in a little heat, and no light.
Don't feed the trolls, people.
Could this delay the Buran auction?
No, Timothy, it just killed eight people. I imagine most of them didn't read slashdot, so it's easy to understand why you don't give a fuck.
I now rarely read the board on Katz related topics because their is so much off-topic abuse. Just a lot of self-important indignance.
I rarely read Katz articles because he seldom can be bothered to come up with a fucking topic.
His posts generate a bunch of Katz bashing, because there's not much else to do after you've read one of his stories. I mean, what should we do? Debate the meaning of his insipid, ignorant, worthless prattle?
The full value of this site is that it sometimes generates some decent replys to the otherwise banal stories. Katz isn't even capable of posting a story that generates a decent reply -- he just gets plenty of people asking him to shut the hell up.