What the companies didn't have a problem with was probably that there were so few people downloading the fansubs is that it didn't matter.
What has most likely happened is that it's gotten to the point now where if the company were to do it itself then it would be a viable and profitable business market.
Either way, something needs to be understood. If a company does not punish you for doing something, that doesn't mean it approves of what you're doing. The article says fansubbers "believed" distributors didn't mind. That's great, I believe I'm the greatest person on Earth, and I continue this belief by not asking anyone.
I don't understand how you can say they'd see "lower sales" when everyone claims fansubbing takes place because there are no sales, hence the need. Now that the company is making the move to sell subtitled media, fansubbers should stop illegally pirated material and *support* what they watch by buying it.
Part of the problem is fansubbers see their work as some great contribution to the company. They're "promoting" their companies media by illegally distributing a copyright. That's great. That's like promoting SIGARMS by unloading a P228 in a public area.
I think the concern here is that desktop computers are getting to the point where you'll have to tuck your computer case into an air conditioned closet just to keep you from getting swamp ass from the extreme heat it puts out.
Maybe folk need to ask why the US government is willing to subsidise a business model that is so obviously flawed?
Politics is a big one. No subsidies means those companies go under means a lot of people end up unemployed and a large portion of the GNP disappears. Whoever is President gets the blame and their political party suffers. It also opens the field for foreign companies to move in, which would be bad for the U.S.
There are other reasons, I think the U.S. Postal Service is dependent on commercial planes to transport mail, so to have the airlines disappear would hurt things a little.
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2 of those 3 million being his daughters that turned 21 during his presidency.
Look at Apple's website. The pricing for the Mac Mini is on par with all other Mac pricing standards on the German Apple store.
Apple is doing nothing wrong. Furthermore the petitioner is pretending that selling an item in the U.S. incurs the same costs as selling something in EU, which is dead wrong. Shipping costs, selling costs, advertising costs, etc, are all different. I can't even begin to fathom how unions in the economies over there cause everything to be more expensive than necesary.
People are petitioning Apple to lower their prices because a government body's TAXES give Americans an unfair lower price? Pre-VAT the prices are not that unfair. It's not Apple's responsbility to eat losses due to your government's taxes. It's your government's duty to you to not screw you by increasing your costs on goods.
No no "box" is still a slang term in the U.S. Originally people used to say "Come on man, don't be a square." But that was back in the day of 2d sprites. In this modern three dimensional non-curved surfaces world of Quake 2 we've moved up to saying "Don't be a box, man."
Right, it's an amenity that they provide you. And "amenity" is the key word. They do it because it's smart business to make you want to come back. It's long-term thinking which isn't done nearly enough.
But that doesn't make you entitled to it, and that's my single point. I'm not trying to imply America is doomed because people recharge their laptops at Starbucks, just that people should not think they're entitled to. Emphasis everywhere I mention *entitled* because that is the word I want people to focus on. Using a power socket at Starbucks is not a right given by any religious being or political power, it's a privilege afforded to the customer by the store. Using said privilege makes no one evil or in anyway a lesser person and I have no grudge with them for simply using it, only if they think they're entitled to it.
Problem is, once people are given something, they think they're entitled to it.
reiteration:
You're right to say in the case of Starbucks or airports it'd be stupid to not let you use the power hookup, but nothing about that means your entitled to it.
Exactly, but on the other hand there are airports. When you buy a plane ticket you're paying an airline, not an airport. So you as a traveller are never reimbursing the airport for your usage of their power. So it is not unreasonable for an airline to cover up its power sockets to prevent you from using electricity that they would inevitably pay for.
However, it should not be considered impossible for the airline to go to the airport and say "Hey, our customers would benefit from this service, so how about working with us to provide." But given the cut-throat economics of airlines, I wouldn't foresee that happening.
But realize, just because you're using $.12 of electricity in return for a $4.39 cup of java doesn't make it "ok". Only the fact that Starbucks permits it makes it ok. The new trend in thinking seems to be that if a company makes ANY profit then its customers are entitled to do whatever they damn well please until that company's profits stops. Somehow being a profitable company became a negative thing to most politically left thinking people (or those who think they're politically left thinking), probably somewhere around the same time that entitlement politics became mainstream.
Buying something from a company doesn't entitle you to use every single resource they have while you're there. It only entitles you to consume your product while you're there. However, they may OPT to give you the PRIVILEGE to use other resources, such as power hookups.
Starbucks is in the business of providing gourmet coffee bean derivatives in a seemingly up-scale environment. The fact that people decide to bring their laptops, jack in, and suck power, wasn't their choice. However, they've chosen to embrace it because that's their market, caffeine addicted self-proclaimed "writers", geeks, etc. You know, "those people."
So, that being said, the rule now is the same rule from 100 years ago - If you didn't pay for something or don't have the express permission to use/take it, your are most likely stealing it.
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What the companies didn't have a problem with was probably that there were so few people downloading the fansubs is that it didn't matter.
What has most likely happened is that it's gotten to the point now where if the company were to do it itself then it would be a viable and profitable business market.
Either way, something needs to be understood. If a company does not punish you for doing something, that doesn't mean it approves of what you're doing. The article says fansubbers "believed" distributors didn't mind. That's great, I believe I'm the greatest person on Earth, and I continue this belief by not asking anyone.
I don't understand how you can say they'd see "lower sales" when everyone claims fansubbing takes place because there are no sales, hence the need. Now that the company is making the move to sell subtitled media, fansubbers should stop illegally pirated material and *support* what they watch by buying it.
Part of the problem is fansubbers see their work as some great contribution to the company. They're "promoting" their companies media by illegally distributing a copyright. That's great. That's like promoting SIGARMS by unloading a P228 in a public area.
hahaha i laughed
So does your mom!
I gotta admit, it was worth typing that even though I'm going to get modded a troll.
From one Mac owner troll to a fake Mac owning troll.
I think the concern here is that desktop computers are getting to the point where you'll have to tuck your computer case into an air conditioned closet just to keep you from getting swamp ass from the extreme heat it puts out.
Definitely stupid.
I don't find the Wayan's family funny at all.
How dare you claim I should stand up for myself in the market as a consumer. I'm an American, I'm entitled to everything and fight for nothing!
Maybe folk need to ask why the US government is willing to subsidise a business model that is so obviously flawed?
Politics is a big one. No subsidies means those companies go under means a lot of people end up unemployed and a large portion of the GNP disappears. Whoever is President gets the blame and their political party suffers. It also opens the field for foreign companies to move in, which would be bad for the U.S. There are other reasons, I think the U.S. Postal Service is dependent on commercial planes to transport mail, so to have the airlines disappear would hurt things a little.
2 of those 3 million being his daughters that turned 21 during his presidency.
Don't thank me, it was run by The Onion.
Look at Apple's website. The pricing for the Mac Mini is on par with all other Mac pricing standards on the German Apple store.
Apple is doing nothing wrong. Furthermore the petitioner is pretending that selling an item in the U.S. incurs the same costs as selling something in EU, which is dead wrong. Shipping costs, selling costs, advertising costs, etc, are all different. I can't even begin to fathom how unions in the economies over there cause everything to be more expensive than necesary.
That's the dumbest thing I will see all day.
People are petitioning Apple to lower their prices because a government body's TAXES give Americans an unfair lower price? Pre-VAT the prices are not that unfair. It's not Apple's responsbility to eat losses due to your government's taxes. It's your government's duty to you to not screw you by increasing your costs on goods.
You're not trying to imply /.ers are biased, are you?
Excellent point, if he's smart like former VP canidate John Edwards he has created a tax shelter for himself.
haha funnays
Anyone read fine print #2 on the iPod Shuffle page?
http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
1: "Box" isn't used as a slang term in the USA
No no "box" is still a slang term in the U.S. Originally people used to say "Come on man, don't be a square." But that was back in the day of 2d sprites. In this modern three dimensional non-curved surfaces world of Quake 2 we've moved up to saying "Don't be a box, man."
Oh wait, that box.
512MB and 1024MB of memory is shit memory?
Wow, you'd had my desktop computer. It's got even less.
Or maybe you could go troll somewhere else?
No shit. Not a single one of those in the story post on /. even made me crack a smile. This site is going to shit.
Seems to me that giving a vaporware award to something due out in Q4 2004 is a bit harsh. "Shit happens".
How is that extortion? No one says they *have* to land at that airport. They could fly somewhere else.
Right, it's an amenity that they provide you. And "amenity" is the key word. They do it because it's smart business to make you want to come back. It's long-term thinking which isn't done nearly enough.
But that doesn't make you entitled to it, and that's my single point. I'm not trying to imply America is doomed because people recharge their laptops at Starbucks, just that people should not think they're entitled to. Emphasis everywhere I mention *entitled* because that is the word I want people to focus on. Using a power socket at Starbucks is not a right given by any religious being or political power, it's a privilege afforded to the customer by the store. Using said privilege makes no one evil or in anyway a lesser person and I have no grudge with them for simply using it, only if they think they're entitled to it.
Problem is, once people are given something, they think they're entitled to it.
reiteration:
You're right to say in the case of Starbucks or airports it'd be stupid to not let you use the power hookup, but nothing about that means your entitled to it.
Exactly, but on the other hand there are airports. When you buy a plane ticket you're paying an airline, not an airport. So you as a traveller are never reimbursing the airport for your usage of their power. So it is not unreasonable for an airline to cover up its power sockets to prevent you from using electricity that they would inevitably pay for.
However, it should not be considered impossible for the airline to go to the airport and say "Hey, our customers would benefit from this service, so how about working with us to provide." But given the cut-throat economics of airlines, I wouldn't foresee that happening.
But realize, just because you're using $.12 of electricity in return for a $4.39 cup of java doesn't make it "ok". Only the fact that Starbucks permits it makes it ok. The new trend in thinking seems to be that if a company makes ANY profit then its customers are entitled to do whatever they damn well please until that company's profits stops. Somehow being a profitable company became a negative thing to most politically left thinking people (or those who think they're politically left thinking), probably somewhere around the same time that entitlement politics became mainstream.
Buying something from a company doesn't entitle you to use every single resource they have while you're there. It only entitles you to consume your product while you're there. However, they may OPT to give you the PRIVILEGE to use other resources, such as power hookups.
Starbucks is in the business of providing gourmet coffee bean derivatives in a seemingly up-scale environment. The fact that people decide to bring their laptops, jack in, and suck power, wasn't their choice. However, they've chosen to embrace it because that's their market, caffeine addicted self-proclaimed "writers", geeks, etc. You know, "those people."
So, that being said, the rule now is the same rule from 100 years ago - If you didn't pay for something or don't have the express permission to use/take it, your are most likely stealing it.
That's so far from a legitimate comparison it's not even funny. Businesses pay for electricity, to use it would be increasing their costs.
It's not different than your neighbor hooking up his christmas lights to an external power plug on the outside of your house. It's stealing.
Um, if you had a created a company that did 2.35 billion dollars in revenues in one quarter, would you call that a success?
I mean, I'm looking in my wallet and I'm seeing $9 and two Subway sandwich stamps.
Some people set the bar higher, I reckon.
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32 million people admit to having such boring lives thzt they have to be overly informed of everyone elses'.