If the open source model is better than the corporate model, how did OS X get built on Unix and end up being better than KDE or Gnome despite a shorter gestation time?
I played Adventure, Hack and Zork (et al) fanatically.
Those just seemed to be better games.
in my 20s Pirates! ruined my 4.0 GPA
Nothing has really held my interest since.
Nascar Racing online has been fun and Warcraft to some extent but the reality I created in Zork, & to a lesser extent Pirates! was far better than the blood splats of Quake & the like.
I have a friend. He's had a computer as long as aI have and that's a pretty long time.
When I had an Apple IIe he had a C64. I got an Amiga 500, he got one too. I got a 486DX66, he got one... So on and so on.
I am a Sys Admin. He works outside of the IT world but in a technical job.
He doesn't know the first thing about computers. He turns it on, clicks on Starcraft, or Word and does what he has to do. He surfs the web via Yahoo! has no interest in Google. He once wrote a very large paper in Notepad because he found Notepad before he found Word.
"Why didn't you cut and paste it into Word when you found it?"
"Cut and what?"
This guy has 160 IQ. He's a genius. He uses his computer as a tool. It is something he uses to do some things. He doesn't care about Linux, or Outlook or any of that.
I've talked to him on a number of occasions about viruses. He just got NYB! NYB is about 10 years old. It is a boot sector virus. Took a disk and shoved it into his machine...
Do you think training him will make any difference?
I think there are a lot more of him out there than us. I think lot's of people use a computer to "Get the mail" "Go on AOL" "Write a paper"
In any event it would be much easier to take his disks and block his access than it would ever be to train this guy.
Again let me stress this, he's not stupid he just doesn't care about all the "stuff' that goes on with a computer. He just wants to use it.
With any luck the economy will have an upturn and you will never loose your job to paycuts or your company totally flopping.
But if bad things continue in the economy and your department gets some "ppl" cut don't ou think the Managers are going to cut the people that spend a lot of time surfing the web? Posting on/.?
Also from a Management standpoint it takes a few minutes to block something. It can take years to "Train" people not to open.exe, or.com files.
Remember YOU know what an.exe file is, the "plebs" you speak of do not. And when they move on you'll have to train the next one that comes in.
Get some work done. Having a work ethic is coming back into vogue and not that "Let's stay in the office and play Quake all night" crap either. The "Let's do our 9 and see our families" type.
A lot of/.ers complain well if they wouldn't use Outlook.... if they wouldn't use IIS.... if they wouldn't use Microsoft...
Well they do.
On a recent interview, I decided I did NOT want to work for the company I was speaking to. (They had mentioned that TCP/IP was owned by MS b/c (I swear this is true) to implement it you had to "Right click on Network Neighborhood, choose Protocols, choose Microsoft....") I asked them why they were switching from CC Mail to Outlook and not to Lotus Notes which is a more "natural" move.
The IT Manager (not the TCP/IP lady) said basically this:
"Our users want Outlook. They used it elsewhere. It works really well with Office. It does a lot of things right. Yeah Lotus is more secure but it is ugly and it is harder to administer [I disagree]. Plus you need a developer to take advantage of the program. Outlook does everything Notes does before you get a developer involved anf it does it a lot easier."
So what the IT Manager was saying was; Everyone uses it, it's easy.
He's pretty much right.
All the folks that yell and scream: BUT *NIX IS BETTER, you're all correct. In the late 70s early 80s all the people that yelled BUT BETA IS BETTER were right too.
So if the same people who shrug their shoulders at insecurity and poor design are certainly going to belive that cutting down USENET, surfing and private email will "protect" them.
I personally blocked Hotmail, Yahoo!, & MSNMail for about 2 months at a site. To tell you the truth I couldn't take all the effing viruses either. And you know what? It stopped the viruses. I mean dead. 25/week --> 0/week
We here at/. can all piss an moan about how Ximian is almost this and Sendmail and PINE rule the Earth with an iron fist of security but 60-75% of the computing public is getting their mail with Outlook.
Are *NIXes better? Duh. Is PINE safer? Duh. Now tell Jane Secretary that she has to jump through hoops to send email from her bosses account...
The IT Manager just wanted happy users and was willing to hire a few more Admins to take care of the mess. He knew the score.
And/. community w/o your archnemsis MS the IT industry would not exist as we know it (yeah there's a lot of shit MCSEs but don't kid yourself there's a lot of shit Solaris guys too) and I am loathe to admit it/. probably wouldn't even exist.
And why precisely on your company's computer, on your company's network, over your company's T do you feel you have any right to do anything they don't want you to? (Hey if you own stock raise Hell, I'm with you there!)
I frigging hope so I'm a Domino Admin looking for work.
anylou...
While Exchange folks get two days off everytime some douche' cracker dope gets a day off from school Domino Admins go to work not really giving a flying fuck about the latest Outlook Virus b/c we have this little thing call the ECL which translates to security.
I'll admit it though... Developing for Notes is the least intuitive, most ass backwards way to accomplish anything I have ever experienced.
How LCD make an OS "better"
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Simply put let me say that Dark Porkrind is a power user. He's a guru to the uniformed masses that actually USE computers. They don't compile kernals, they don't script anything, they dont ever configure, make, install. They'll be damned if AIM isn't available. Dark Raman is _their_ guy. There are a lot of Dark Paradigms in the world. Some of them are benevolent and some "know enough to be dangerous."
I give Dark Andstormynight the benifit of the doubt. I think he's a good guy. (Although he did go from Apple striaght to DOS without any AMIGA.. but I digress.) For the unwashed heathens who don't know what a regex is or how to setup mulitple IPs on their NIC card, he's who they listen to.
Now, why don't they listen to you? You know everything it is true. You really do. You can give them a million reasons to use Blah-Blah Linux over OS X. You won't though. You'll read/. and config this and tweak that. You'll say rude things like RTFM, man this, grep that.
They don't care about any of that. They just want to chat with their friends and get their mail and open funny.ppt file their friends make. They never ever want to upgrade anything, ever. They simply expect their computer to work. They want to reboot when it doesn't. They never ever want to su root, or God forbid sudo.
So while Dork Hardon writes an article about how he broke free from the MS "monopoly" you sat here on/. and pissed and moaned about what an idiot he is.
We, you,/., are the minority. Mr & Mrs AOL in Middle America are the Majority. Mr & Mrs Church Newsletter have waaay more disposable cash than you and all your CS majors combined, right now. You should be furthering your cause, not fragmenting even further.
OS X is never going to fragment. It may change entirely but it won't fragment. No one has to worry about Larry, or Miguel, or Linus, or anyone but Steve. OS X makes sense for a lot of poeple.
It's pretty.
It's fast enough.
It has advertising.
It has Office.
If Linux was OS X in 1996 we'd all be giggling about XP and OS X right now. But it wasn't/isn't.
Dark Paladin is right. He's hitting Linux with his +5 Mace Of OS Smiting and there isn't a damn thing you or your/. can do about it.
Folks who buy an iPod, G4Ti and (if you look at Apple or VW ads lately) a VW Passat clearly have no money left over for CDs they HAVE to steal the music!
the key problem I had with both games is an inherent problem in all MMO games: You're just a small cog in a huge machine, with no compelling reason to exist in the world.
instead of simply having a character that doesn't matter to the world at all, you have a whole guild that really could exist or not and nothing would really change.
I'd imagine that for 99% of the "population," it just won't matter what they do, find, or accomplish.
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If the open source model is better than the corporate model, how did OS X get built on Unix and end up being better than KDE or Gnome despite a shorter gestation time?
damn good question? Anyone?
Sweet Jesus and Mary what the Hell was that...
I have to wash my eyes with bleach!
(and why no Lanthanum?)
I have played a bit of Unreal (my wife LOVED Quake 2) but I never got the sense of story...
I played Adventure, Hack and Zork (et al) fanatically.
Those just seemed to be better games.
in my 20s Pirates! ruined my 4.0 GPA
Nothing has really held my interest since.
Nascar Racing online has been fun and Warcraft to some extent but the reality I created in Zork, & to a lesser extent Pirates! was far better than the blood splats of Quake & the like.
So I vote Yes
<i>You couldn't fool your mother on the foolingest day of your life if you had an electrified fooling machine!</I>
clap clap clap
G4 400
Belkin serial to USB
Palm IIIx
works fine with the OS9 v2.6x
grrrr.
any ideas
I understand that legally this is what must be but it is also abosolutely galling and YASITWD* for Apple.
They need to make this work. And they need to reinstate his membership somehow.
(Yet Another Step In the Wrong Direction)
<i>I hope Peter Jackson shows a little sensitivity and changes the name.</i>
Dude I was there and I don't hope he changes the name. Enough! The towers should still be in Spiderman too.
Forte Agent _finally_ has yEnc support in the product (version 1.91.)
My guess is Outlook Express will follow.
People will not have their pr0n and warez messed up to the point that they cannot download it.
As for the "war" these two seem to be having let me boil it down in schoolyard terms:
Nixon: It's mine give it back!
Jurgen: I already gave it away!
all I could say was "eh." folowed by a small involuntary shrug. the guy is moderately amusing.
is there a particularly funny one I missed?
I have a friend. He's had a computer as long as aI have and that's a pretty long time.
When I had an Apple IIe he had a C64. I got an Amiga 500, he got one too. I got a 486DX66, he got one... So on and so on.
I am a Sys Admin. He works outside of the IT world but in a technical job.
He doesn't know the first thing about computers. He turns it on, clicks on Starcraft, or Word and does what he has to do. He surfs the web via Yahoo! has no interest in Google. He once wrote a very large paper in Notepad because he found Notepad before he found Word.
"Why didn't you cut and paste it into Word when you found it?"
"Cut and what?"
This guy has 160 IQ. He's a genius. He uses his computer as a tool. It is something he uses to do some things. He doesn't care about Linux, or Outlook or any of that.
I've talked to him on a number of occasions about viruses. He just got NYB! NYB is about 10 years old. It is a boot sector virus. Took a disk and shoved it into his machine...
Do you think training him will make any difference?
I think there are a lot more of him out there than us. I think lot's of people use a computer to "Get the mail" "Go on AOL" "Write a paper"
In any event it would be much easier to take his disks and block his access than it would ever be to train this guy.
Again let me stress this, he's not stupid he just doesn't care about all the "stuff' that goes on with a computer. He just wants to use it.
With any luck the economy will have an upturn and you will never loose your job to paycuts or your company totally flopping.
/.?
.exe, or .com files.
.exe file is, the "plebs" you speak of do not. And when they move on you'll have to train the next one that comes in.
But if bad things continue in the economy and your department gets some "ppl" cut don't ou think the Managers are going to cut the people that spend a lot of time surfing the web? Posting on
Also from a Management standpoint it takes a few minutes to block something. It can take years to "Train" people not to open
Remember YOU know what an
Get some work done. Having a work ethic is coming back into vogue and not that "Let's stay in the office and play Quake all night" crap either. The "Let's do our 9 and see our families" type.
A lot of /.ers complain well if they wouldn't use Outlook.... if they wouldn't use IIS.... if they wouldn't use Microsoft...
/. can all piss an moan about how Ximian is almost this and Sendmail and PINE rule the Earth with an iron fist of security but 60-75% of the computing public is getting their mail with Outlook.
/. community w/o your archnemsis MS the IT industry would not exist as we know it (yeah there's a lot of shit MCSEs but don't kid yourself there's a lot of shit Solaris guys too) and I am loathe to admit it /. probably wouldn't even exist.
Well they do.
On a recent interview, I decided I did NOT want to work for the company I was speaking to. (They had mentioned that TCP/IP was owned by MS b/c (I swear this is true) to implement it you had to "Right click on Network Neighborhood, choose Protocols, choose Microsoft....") I asked them why they were switching from CC Mail to Outlook and not to Lotus Notes which is a more "natural" move.
The IT Manager (not the TCP/IP lady) said basically this:
"Our users want Outlook. They used it elsewhere. It works really well with Office. It does a lot of things right. Yeah Lotus is more secure but it is ugly and it is harder to administer [I disagree]. Plus you need a developer to take advantage of the program. Outlook does everything Notes does before you get a developer involved anf it does it a lot easier."
So what the IT Manager was saying was; Everyone uses it, it's easy.
He's pretty much right.
All the folks that yell and scream: BUT *NIX IS BETTER, you're all correct. In the late 70s early 80s all the people that yelled BUT BETA IS BETTER were right too.
So if the same people who shrug their shoulders at insecurity and poor design are certainly going to belive that cutting down USENET, surfing and private email will "protect" them.
I personally blocked Hotmail, Yahoo!, & MSNMail for about 2 months at a site. To tell you the truth I couldn't take all the effing viruses either. And you know what? It stopped the viruses. I mean dead. 25/week --> 0/week
We here at
Are *NIXes better? Duh. Is PINE safer? Duh. Now tell Jane Secretary that she has to jump through hoops to send email from her bosses account...
The IT Manager just wanted happy users and was willing to hire a few more Admins to take care of the mess. He knew the score.
And
And why precisely on your company's computer, on your company's network, over your company's T do you feel you have any right to do anything they don't want you to? (Hey if you own stock raise Hell, I'm with you there!)
Dude, no one likes Windows Administration, seriously.... people do it until the get their Unix chops up or becuase they're stuck doing it.
Do people still use Lotus Notes? Honestly?
I frigging hope so I'm a Domino Admin looking for work.
anylou...
While Exchange folks get two days off everytime some douche' cracker dope gets a day off from school Domino Admins go to work not really giving a flying fuck about the latest Outlook Virus b/c we have this little thing call the ECL which translates to security.
I'll admit it though... Developing for Notes is the least intuitive, most ass backwards way to accomplish anything I have ever experienced.
Lowest
/. and config this and tweak that. You'll say rude things like RTFM, man this, grep that.
.ppt file their friends make. They never ever want to upgrade anything, ever. They simply expect their computer to work. They want to reboot when it doesn't. They never ever want to su root, or God forbid sudo.
/. and pissed and moaned about what an idiot he is.
/., are the minority. Mr & Mrs AOL in Middle America are the Majority. Mr & Mrs Church Newsletter have waaay more disposable cash than you and all your CS majors combined, right now. You should be furthering your cause, not fragmenting even further.
/. can do about it.
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Simply put let me say that Dark Porkrind is a power user. He's a guru to the uniformed masses that actually USE computers. They don't compile kernals, they don't script anything, they dont ever configure, make, install. They'll be damned if AIM isn't available. Dark Raman is _their_ guy. There are a lot of Dark Paradigms in the world. Some of them are benevolent and some "know enough to be dangerous."
I give Dark Andstormynight the benifit of the doubt. I think he's a good guy. (Although he did go from Apple striaght to DOS without any AMIGA.. but I digress.) For the unwashed heathens who don't know what a regex is or how to setup mulitple IPs on their NIC card, he's who they listen to.
Now, why don't they listen to you? You know everything it is true. You really do. You can give them a million reasons to use Blah-Blah Linux over OS X. You won't though. You'll read
They don't care about any of that. They just want to chat with their friends and get their mail and open funny
So while Dork Hardon writes an article about how he broke free from the MS "monopoly" you sat here on
We, you,
OS X is never going to fragment. It may change entirely but it won't fragment. No one has to worry about Larry, or Miguel, or Linus, or anyone but Steve. OS X makes sense for a lot of poeple.
It's pretty.
It's fast enough.
It has advertising.
It has Office.
If Linux was OS X in 1996 we'd all be giggling about XP and OS X right now. But it wasn't/isn't.
Dark Paladin is right. He's hitting Linux with his +5 Mace Of OS Smiting and there isn't a damn thing you or your
Is there?
DOS right in the middle of it. 3DOSX just gives me the willy's!
of course the Dale Ernhardt Les Paul is no joy either.
Folks who buy an iPod, G4Ti and (if you look at Apple or VW ads lately) a VW Passat clearly have no money left over for CDs they HAVE to steal the music!
I'm not much of a horn blower... but... /. it just isn't that important.
Despite my English degree I can spell. On
Clearly I used God/Emperor of Networking as a goof on a few resume's to see if anyone was paying any attention.
One company was.
is downright depressing.
I would know.
You send 3 million resume's out to the world no one calls.
As a goof I listed as experience:
God/Emporer Of Networing
One company called and wanted to know what that entailed...
"You know, setting upsacrifices, virgin burning, the usual."
I don't blame this guy for blowing off a little steam.
He is pretty cool.
His Palm Pilot books rock as well.
I found the OS X book to be good but definitely geared towards:
A -- Old mac users
B -- n00biez
This does not make it a bad book. In fact, it is quite a bit of fun to read.
If you are a *nix literate though it may seem a little tedious. Since you won't be doing a lot of what the book talks about.
the key problem I had with both games is an inherent problem in all MMO games: You're just a small cog in a huge machine, with no compelling reason to exist in the world.
instead of simply having a character that doesn't matter to the world at all, you have a whole guild that really could exist or not and nothing would really change.
I'd imagine that for 99% of the "population," it just won't matter what they do, find, or accomplish.
eeriely like real life, huh?
You accomplished nothing on my OS X box.
Page Widening Is _not_ Back where i live.
Ok, ok... 4.6 was... problematic.
but R5 and Rnext have fixed a number of issues.