As someone who runs a City Wiki, I always felt that what makes a reference wikis work is that there are more people interested in having a NPOV article than people who have a financial interest at stake. However as companies and politicians become more familiar with the wiki movement and the whole anonyminity of it, they are more likely to see how easily you can edit articles as another PR platform and seek to control it. With the resources and ability to dedicate even a full time team to making sure the Wikipedia article keeps them in a good light, I fear we're entering the age where people who are interested in a NPOV are outmanned by those with a profit interest. After all, for years spammers have nearly outmanned those whole try to filter it.
The problem with information sources for a localized wiki like Bloomingpedia though is that since it is on a much smaller scale, its easier to obscure facts because there are not as many industry watchdogs paying attention to companies and organizations. You have to get the information by working for the company or accept the information that a company provides on its website or product brouchures.
Heh, just last night there was someone on the mediawiki IRC channel asking if his Free WiFi Lan wiki project was a good idea. People from here should go there and give this project a boost. Check it out.
Ironically, someone asked the guy if his server could take a Slashdotting. From talking to him through email it seems that will will be fine for a comment link.
Yesterday I was watching the news (amazing I know) and saw an old chinese woman protesting peacefully outside the whitehouse. She was the only one, but a police officer came and escorted here away. I'd say we are in the midst of the end of our freedoms anyways. All those soldiers that supposibly "died for our freedoms" are rolling in their graves right now because we don't have it anymore and they essentially died for nothing except to say that our way of government was the right one. Which is just what every government tries to do.
If you want "good news," expend your effort creating some good news by doing something positive for somebody and then publicizing it. Bitching about the media doesn't solve the problem, action does.
After reading your "argument" that reporting news is equivalent to terrorism, what you consider "logical" seems to be rather different from the rest of us.
Appearently not if of the 9 people who have come from slashdot today and voted on that article, there have been 6 "I agree", 3 "I don't care" and no "I disagree". I find that the people who agree with my comments on slashdot, don't reply to them. Those who take offense, are very vocal.
??? I did read the article. Both my comments where logical, you just aren't see it. That's fine. Let me put it another way. If Linux snobs where a problem with the wider adoption of Linux then people who are interested in buying Ford or Dodge trucks would be put off by the hostility that each side has towards the other, etc. But yet there are millions of Ford and Dodge truck owners.
The real problem is this, much of the rest of the Earth is based on a commercial model of adoption of new things. A company makes it, people see it on TV or hear about it from their friends, they go to a store and they buy it. This has been going on for 50 years and in a way it has been going on for a lot longer. Now here comes open source and a completely different way of distributing a product, finding support and so on. People don't understand that new model yet, it takes time. The best thing you can probably do is adapt your new model so that it is close to the older model and slowly change it.
In my 9 years of using and promoting Linux, I have talked with a lot of new Linux users and I've rarely heard them mention any of the problems with snobbishness that this article describes. I have not seen it much myself and I am on support channels a lot. This is why I don't agree with this article and was making what I considered to be a logical criticism of it.
Of course, what the article doesn't tell you is that they said that to him after he asked 50 times "how do I start process daemons like a web server" in the Gnome IRC channel. The whole context tells the real story and sometimes that does happen on IRC. Just like in the case of Ryan Holt and his balloons. Slashdot, stop being such a "hype" news source. Besides, you can get that kind of snobbish attitude "anywhere ".
On the other hand, I think the real barrier with Linux IS the Linux snobs, but in a different way. I was just talking about this on the BLUG mailing list two weeks ago. Many of you are too wrapped up in playing with the latest transparent desktop that you forget that it is important to support companies that do start adopting Linux and providing real value. A major reason why places like Micro Center start carrying Linspire PCs, but don't train anybody on them is because they are test it to see if it will make money. When it comes down to it, companies need to make money (big surprise there). Yet, everytime someone tries to start something around Linux open source, half the community starts acting suspicious and picking apart everything that company does. Sometimes this is warranted (read SCO), but most of the time it is not. Unless you expect Communism to be adopted in the United States anytime soon, you need to backup what YOU support with your own MONEY if you want to see the economy go your way.
All of you need to stop talking the talk and start backing up your shit with rea l action.
Given the internal conflicts within Microsoft between application teams and the fact that the community gets leaked memos and rumors from time to time about inner goings on, I would say no, they are not working on anything special. The amount of human resources required to develop these "next gen apps" that they allude to within Microsoft would most likely generate some rumors that would have given us such an indication. Microsoft is under too much of a microscope for something like this to slip by. If it is a new development, then it will be a while before we see such apps. Besides, Microsoft's marketing technique seems to be based on people knowing what are going to be in their applications before they are released. I think this is just wishful thinking.
To whoever modded down my comment. Don't mod what you don't understand. My comment was on topic. John "Maddog" Hall commented once on how there were only 500 million computers in the world, so that means 5.5 billion haven't choosen their operating system (implying Linux could take that market). My comment was meant to be funny.
It may not be always obvious what the right thing is to do when you're in a situation like Ghyslain's. How was he to know that the reaction to how he and his parents handled his situation would be overall frowned upon. He had a chance to make something that was embarrasing work out really well for him. But nobody likes a whiner. I only hope that other kids can learn from his situation and make the most of their own problems.
Give people an inch and they take a mile. I don't see why D-Link and Netgear couldn't just make their own stratum-1 NTP servers. I mean, if you trust the brandname enough for your routing, don't you trust them enough for your time as well?
it is skyrocketing at sites focused on social networking, blogging and local information.
Local information sites ARE growing. Sites like Bloomingpedia (city wiki for Bloomington, Indiana) are getting lots of new articles, editors and interest from people all over the place. There are also other city wikis starting to pop up here and there and I just started the first State Wiki for Indiana last week to help centralize information about the DST change here.
I think a lot of people are starting to get there information from wikis in general because they are showing up so high in searches for information. In just the past couple months, we've been getting lots of search requests for restaurants around Bloomington.
I guess this is the evolution of information on the internet. First it was "fan websites" in the 90s, then directories of information, now localized wikis and blogs.
What is the point of this study? Its not like it is going to convince the millions of people who don't like mixing science with their religion that they shouldn't waste time praying for their loved ones. Those people can trust science to make more fuel efficient SUVs, better bombs for Iraq and cure diseases. But when it proves that the earth is round, that the universe is 13-15 billion years old and that prayer doesn't really do anything, they think its hogwash.
And the people who scientifically minded already think that this fact is just plain obvious.
So while a study like this may be a amuzing anecdote, in the end its completely pointless.
Slashdot Mirror
I wonder if some pimp would let me shadow him for a couple of weeks.
As someone who runs a City Wiki, I always felt that what makes a reference wikis work is that there are more people interested in having a NPOV article than people who have a financial interest at stake. However as companies and politicians become more familiar with the wiki movement and the whole anonyminity of it, they are more likely to see how easily you can edit articles as another PR platform and seek to control it. With the resources and ability to dedicate even a full time team to making sure the Wikipedia article keeps them in a good light, I fear we're entering the age where people who are interested in a NPOV are outmanned by those with a profit interest. After all, for years spammers have nearly outmanned those whole try to filter it.
The problem with information sources for a localized wiki like Bloomingpedia though is that since it is on a much smaller scale, its easier to obscure facts because there are not as many industry watchdogs paying attention to companies and organizations. You have to get the information by working for the company or accept the information that a company provides on its website or product brouchures.
I wonder what could possibly be keeping women from the mainstream gaming market.
When did ironically become a synonym for "by coincidence"?
Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Something you might check out
http://freewlan.org/ The Open WiFi AP wiki.
Heh, just last night there was someone on the mediawiki IRC channel asking if his Free WiFi Lan wiki project was a good idea. People from here should go there and give this project a boost. Check it out.
Ironically, someone asked the guy if his server could take a Slashdotting. From talking to him through email it seems that will will be fine for a comment link.
Yesterday I was watching the news (amazing I know) and saw an old chinese woman protesting peacefully outside the whitehouse. She was the only one, but a police officer came and escorted here away. I'd say we are in the midst of the end of our freedoms anyways. All those soldiers that supposibly "died for our freedoms" are rolling in their graves right now because we don't have it anymore and they essentially died for nothing except to say that our way of government was the right one. Which is just what every government tries to do.
Oh wait, I'm dumb or just hungry right now. The text was rot13'd and then he mixed up the middle characters of each word.
mod26 key(First post) = ndvmm miqm
I think the parent poster just made up that encrypted text. Unless they used a more complex algorithm. Ok, I'm a geek.
If you want "good news," expend your effort creating some good news by doing something positive for somebody and then publicizing it. Bitching about the media doesn't solve the problem, action does.
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I did, slashdot rejected the article.
After reading your "argument" that reporting news is equivalent to terrorism, what you consider "logical" seems to be rather different from the rest of us.
Appearently not if of the 9 people who have come from slashdot today and voted on that article, there have been 6 "I agree", 3 "I don't care" and no "I disagree". I find that the people who agree with my comments on slashdot, don't reply to them. Those who take offense, are very vocal.
??? I did read the article. Both my comments where logical, you just aren't see it. That's fine. Let me put it another way. If Linux snobs where a problem with the wider adoption of Linux then people who are interested in buying Ford or Dodge trucks would be put off by the hostility that each side has towards the other, etc. But yet there are millions of Ford and Dodge truck owners.
The real problem is this, much of the rest of the Earth is based on a commercial model of adoption of new things. A company makes it, people see it on TV or hear about it from their friends, they go to a store and they buy it. This has been going on for 50 years and in a way it has been going on for a lot longer. Now here comes open source and a completely different way of distributing a product, finding support and so on. People don't understand that new model yet, it takes time. The best thing you can probably do is adapt your new model so that it is close to the older model and slowly change it.
In my 9 years of using and promoting Linux, I have talked with a lot of new Linux users and I've rarely heard them mention any of the problems with snobbishness that this article describes. I have not seen it much myself and I am on support channels a lot. This is why I don't agree with this article and was making what I considered to be a logical criticism of it.
Of course, what the article doesn't tell you is that they said that to him after he asked 50 times "how do I start process daemons like a web server" in the Gnome IRC channel. The whole context tells the real story and sometimes that does happen on IRC. Just like in the case of Ryan Holt and his balloons. Slashdot, stop being such a "hype" news source. Besides, you can get that kind of snobbish attitude "anywhere
".
On the other hand, I think the real barrier with Linux IS the Linux snobs, but in a different way. I was just talking about this on the BLUG mailing list two weeks ago. Many of you are too wrapped up in playing with the latest transparent desktop that you forget that it is important to support companies that do start adopting Linux and providing real value. A major reason why places like Micro Center start carrying Linspire PCs, but don't train anybody on them is because they are test it to see if it will make money. When it comes down to it, companies need to make money (big surprise there). Yet, everytime someone tries to start something around Linux open source, half the community starts acting suspicious and picking apart everything that company does. Sometimes this is warranted (read SCO), but most of the time it is not. Unless you expect Communism to be adopted in the United States anytime soon, you need to backup what YOU support with your own MONEY if you want to see the economy go your way.
All of you need to stop talking the talk and start backing up your shit with rea
l action.
Given the internal conflicts within Microsoft between application teams and the fact that the community gets leaked memos and rumors from time to time about inner goings on, I would say no, they are not working on anything special. The amount of human resources required to develop these "next gen apps" that they allude to within Microsoft would most likely generate some rumors that would have given us such an indication. Microsoft is under too much of a microscope for something like this to slip by. If it is a new development, then it will be a while before we see such apps. Besides, Microsoft's marketing technique seems to be based on people knowing what are going to be in their applications before they are released. I think this is just wishful thinking.
Tell that to unemployed software enginner Steve (who comes from a rough area) and is making more money selling Vibe than he ever did at Intertoad.
To whoever modded down my comment. Don't mod what you don't understand. My comment was on topic. John "Maddog" Hall commented once on how there were only 500 million computers in the world, so that means 5.5 billion haven't choosen their operating system (implying Linux could take that market). My comment was meant to be funny.
Well, I guess now only 4.5 billion people haven't choosen their operating system.
It may not be always obvious what the right thing is to do when you're in a situation like Ghyslain's. How was he to know that the reaction to how he and his parents handled his situation would be overall frowned upon. He had a chance to make something that was embarrasing work out really well for him. But nobody likes a whiner. I only hope that other kids can learn from his situation and make the most of their own problems.
I'm not considering good will, appreciation, or the right thing to do. None of these things apply to a business unfortunately.
Eh hem, at the risk of sounding like a troll, they apply to my business damnit and don't you forget that.
The problem is, when you do the right thing, like enforcing security over convience, customers don't always appretiate it.
Give people an inch and they take a mile. I don't see why D-Link and Netgear couldn't just make their own stratum-1 NTP servers. I mean, if you trust the brandname enough for your routing, don't you trust them enough for your time as well?
it is skyrocketing at sites focused on social networking, blogging and local information.
Local information sites ARE growing. Sites like Bloomingpedia (city wiki for Bloomington, Indiana) are getting lots of new articles, editors and interest from people all over the place. There are also other city wikis starting to pop up here and there and I just started the first State Wiki for Indiana last week to help centralize information about the DST change here.
I think a lot of people are starting to get there information from wikis in general because they are showing up so high in searches for information. In just the past couple months, we've been getting lots of search requests for restaurants around Bloomington.
I guess this is the evolution of information on the internet. First it was "fan websites" in the 90s, then directories of information, now localized wikis and blogs.
Bush has only just denied global warming is manmade
He's right, its actually caused by the products of man. Kinda like how guns kill people.
Ok, so you mean like all the other studies to debunk pseudoscience and other mystic entities. This has been going on for years.
What is the point of this study? Its not like it is going to convince the millions of people who don't like mixing science with their religion that they shouldn't waste time praying for their loved ones. Those people can trust science to make more fuel efficient SUVs, better bombs for Iraq and cure diseases. But when it proves that the earth is round, that the universe is 13-15 billion years old and that prayer doesn't really do anything, they think its hogwash.
And the people who scientifically minded already think that this fact is just plain obvious.
So while a study like this may be a amuzing anecdote, in the end its completely pointless.
Why do you say that? Are you saying I'm stupid?