guess you better start writing all the replacement tools....
replacement kernels already exist.
I use gnu tools on Solaris, BSD, Linux, AIX, OSX, windows and HPUX. They allow me to feel at home on all these OSs. You will never see gnu replacements for Linux. No one will bother.
if you could be a fly on the wall at SCO when they are coming up with this crap? I mean they really cannot be serious. This will go down as the biggest troll ever!
As usual, people have not taken the time to read the whole thread. Here is one post by McVoy that sheads a bit more light on the subject. Please note that I am not trying to pass judgement one way or the other, but rather adding more information, since too few of the posters here have bothered to read more than Stallman's post.
Below is one of Larry McVoy's comments in the BK thread
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:08:32PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote:
My understanding of the relevant case law in the United States is that these types of restrictions are not allowed under copyright law itself.
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 10:23:30PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
Actually your license is simply irrelevant in most of thre world. You aren't allowed to forbid reverse engineering for interoperability.
"Judge, I want to violate this license on this product that I got for free because it's not free enough".
"Judge, we give it out for free and we also developed technology to transfer the data out of our product and into a GPLed product, we do that at our expense and even host the competing GPLed repos for free and they still want to violate the license"
Who do you think is going to win that one?
Besides, have you considered that it is that license you appear to dislike so much which provides for the product, the hosting, the free
public machines, the support, all of that? It's a pile of money and time and I don't see RMS steppng forward with an open checkbook.
The license means we have a revenue stream. We use a significant portion of that revenue stream to help Linux. If the revenue stream goes away
then so do the services we provide to you for free. They obviously have value or you wouldn't be using them.
This just tells me you've never been on those proverbial golf courses at the right times to see such things in action. You'd like to believe they don't happen, but... you don't really know.
well since i am making some of those decisions, I am not missing much. granted, I am not saying that this does not happen, but it happens a whole lot less, if at all, in a company that does government contracts, and certainly it never happens in my department.
You've never worked for a big company have you? In companies decisions to buy are made on the golf course where a total and utter idiot is surrounded by salespeople who wine and dine him. It has nothing to do with technology or features and everything with the quality of the sesame encrusted ahi they served for lunch.
Funny, last time I looked, the large areospace company I work for whose name starts with a B, would probably fire people who made decisions in the above fashion you mentioned.
This is how Cisco VoIP works. You can get Power Over Ethernet blades for your Catalyst 6509 which will provide the power for your VoIP phone as well as the data. Works like a champ... or so they tell me... those sales people:)
So if the ability to detect magnetic storms is so important, why in the world is there a single point of failure? I am a little disappointed that the article did not mention about who built it, and what it would take to replace it. The article makes it seem like once SOHO is gone, we are SOL.
After a little digging I found that SOHO was built in Europe. From the
web site...
The SOHO satellite was built in Europ by an industrial consortium lead by Matra, while the scientific instruments were provided by European and American scientists and funded by their national institutions.
Is this the same crowd that believes that once they buy a music CD they can do whatever they want with it? Are these the same people who believe they should be able to tweak someone else's software so it fits theirs needs?
I cannot understand why any of you give a rat's arse what someone else does with their purchased copy of a movie. This has nothing at all to do with offending the artists and everything to do with freedom. It is truely amazing seeing all the hypocrites whine.
The sci-fi movie 5th element had cars that would auto-ticket you if you commited a violation. As far fetched as that may seem, there are many folks who think that would be a great idea.
Myself, having worked with computers all my working life, I absolutely hate the idea of a machine making judgement calls over humans. Because, as we all know, computers and the code they run are subject to bugs. And if something like this were aproved, just image what it would take to convince the judge (eletronic too?) that the black box has a bug.
OK.. so how do you fix Security Focus' plan to snip the balls from bugtraq? Watching SF's change from a small site to a very corporate site, I wonder how long it would take for bugtraq to lose what made it the first mail list I read every morning.
IMO, having a open and non-corp backed mail list to handle security buq and the like would be the natural evolution needed to insure sysadmins have the most up to date info.
Yes, Snoop-Dog lives in a nice house in a good (economically stimulated) neighborhood; and yes some white people live in bad (economically retarded) neighborhoods. But these are exceptions.
Some white people? Geez, where are you from? There are far more poor white people than poor black in USA.
OK, so a slashdot poll is far from scientific, but this topic has come up in the past and if you take what people post as their true feelings, (i know, i know) then I would say that I have seen very few people say they have become desensitized.
I have killed probably millions of digital people in my game playing days, but when I accidentially step on a snail, I get bummed out. To me, life is sacred. But that is not to say that I don't think killing can be justified, it is just very regretable.
I work for a rather large aerospace corp whose name name starts with a B, and we still do not have a real linux road map. With SUN putting its name on low cost servers, hopefully this will make it that much eaiser for me to get linux in here and stop the windows server advance in the machine room.
The really big thing they missed was when NFSnet handed the reins of the backbone over to commercial carriers. Back then we thought that was the death of the internet.... We may have been right..:p
uhh, yes I did read the letter. And IMO, it was just about right. I don't want the gov to start ordering folks to shut down an open relay because the gov has no legs to stand on. An open relay is not against federal law.... yet
Looking at pr0n does not hurt anyone (i know this is debatable), nor does it lead to kiddie pr0n. But just by having an open rely, it can and chances are, will be used by spammers.
Now if I was running an open FTP server that was being used for pr0n, I would not be suprised nor shocked if the gov sent me an email notifying me that my site could be abused by kiddie pr0n folks
I think this letter is a good way to let ISPs know that big-bro is watching. The letter did not threaten, it only offered advice. But the casual use of "law enforcement" does give the letter just enough bite to be worry some.
Good job (i don't say that too often about my gov...:)
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funny... all of our NT4.0 machines have been patched for blaster.
next time think before posting...
guess you better start writing all the replacement tools....
replacement kernels already exist.
I use gnu tools on Solaris, BSD, Linux, AIX, OSX, windows and HPUX. They allow me to feel at home on all these OSs. You will never see gnu replacements for Linux. No one will bother.
uhhh, I think you are forgetting that Linus himself has said that without gcc, linux would not be.
It is all about the chicken and the egg. And here, it is VERY clear that gcc had to come first.
if you could be a fly on the wall at SCO when they are coming up with this crap? I mean they really cannot be serious. This will go down as the biggest troll ever!
OMG what farking balls these guys have....
never sounded so good... :)
So what are the odds that Stallman is secretly enjoying this while toiling away at the hurd?
Don't mean to reply to myself, but I forgot to add that most of the replies in the LKML are favorable to BK and Larry.
As usual, people have not taken the time to read the whole thread. Here is one post by McVoy that sheads a bit more light on the subject. Please note that I am not trying to pass judgement one way or the other, but rather adding more information, since too few of the posters here have bothered to read more than Stallman's post.
Below is one of Larry McVoy's comments in the BK threadYep.. I say take one for the team and do her. He may be pleasently suprised... :)
This just tells me you've never been on those proverbial golf courses at the right times to see such things in action. You'd like to believe they don't happen, but... you don't really know.
well since i am making some of those decisions, I am not missing much. granted, I am not saying that this does not happen, but it happens a whole lot less, if at all, in a company that does government contracts, and certainly it never happens in my department.
You've never worked for a big company have you? In companies decisions to buy are made on the golf course where a total and utter idiot is surrounded by salespeople who wine and dine him. It has nothing to do with technology or features and everything with the quality of the sesame encrusted ahi they served for lunch.
Funny, last time I looked, the large areospace company I work for whose name starts with a B, would probably fire people who made decisions in the above fashion you mentioned.
This is how Cisco VoIP works. You can get Power Over Ethernet blades for your Catalyst 6509 which will provide the power for your VoIP phone as well as the data. Works like a champ... or so they tell me... those sales people :)
Instead of a graphic word, why not an audio word that has to be typed in by the user?
After a little digging I found that SOHO was built in Europe. From the web site...
The SOHO satellite was built in Europ by an industrial consortium lead by Matra, while the scientific instruments were provided by European and American scientists and funded by their national institutions.
Is this the same crowd that believes that once they buy a music CD they can do whatever they want with it? Are these the same people who believe they should be able to tweak someone else's software so it fits theirs needs?
I cannot understand why any of you give a rat's arse what someone else does with their purchased copy of a movie. This has nothing at all to do with offending the artists and everything to do with freedom. It is truely amazing seeing all the hypocrites whine.
The sci-fi movie 5th element had cars that would auto-ticket you if you commited a violation. As far fetched as that may seem, there are many folks who think that would be a great idea.
Myself, having worked with computers all my working life, I absolutely hate the idea of a machine making judgement calls over humans. Because, as we all know, computers and the code they run are subject to bugs. And if something like this were aproved, just image what it would take to convince the judge (eletronic too?) that the black box has a bug.
OK.. so how do you fix Security Focus' plan to snip the balls from bugtraq? Watching SF's change from a small site to a very corporate site, I wonder how long it would take for bugtraq to lose what made it the first mail list I read every morning.
IMO, having a open and non-corp backed mail list to handle security buq and the like would be the natural evolution needed to insure sysadmins have the most up to date info.
Some white people? Geez, where are you from? There are far more poor white people than poor black in USA.
no, but it could be the start of one...
I smell a new slashdot poll!!!!!!
OK, so a slashdot poll is far from scientific, but this topic has come up in the past and if you take what people post as their true feelings, (i know, i know) then I would say that I have seen very few people say they have become desensitized.
I have killed probably millions of digital people in my game playing days, but when I accidentially step on a snail, I get bummed out. To me, life is sacred. But that is not to say that I don't think killing can be justified, it is just very regretable.
I work for a rather large aerospace corp whose name name starts with a B, and we still do not have a real linux road map. With SUN putting its name on low cost servers, hopefully this will make it that much eaiser for me to get linux in here and stop the windows server advance in the machine room.
The really big thing they missed was when NFSnet handed the reins of the backbone over to commercial carriers. Back then we thought that was the death of the internet.... We may have been right.. :p
Remeber gopher, or archie? Two software tools very much in use by the geeks prior to html/http and now both are dead.
uhh, yes I did read the letter. And IMO, it was just about right. I don't want the gov to start ordering folks to shut down an open relay because the gov has no legs to stand on. An open relay is not against federal law.... yet
Looking at pr0n does not hurt anyone (i know this is debatable), nor does it lead to kiddie pr0n. But just by having an open rely, it can and chances are, will be used by spammers.
Now if I was running an open FTP server that was being used for pr0n, I would not be suprised nor shocked if the gov sent me an email notifying me that my site could be abused by kiddie pr0n folks
I think this letter is a good way to let ISPs know that big-bro is watching. The letter did not threaten, it only offered advice. But the casual use of "law enforcement" does give the letter just enough bite to be worry some.
:)
Good job (i don't say that too often about my gov...