Jesus christ, when will people get over the installer???
The average windows user should never see the installer, ditto the average linux user.
Debian users don't pay attention to the installer because we see it just the once.
Linux distro revieers on the other hand never do any real work with a system, just install, install, install.
Debian runs hard and strong and updates itself.
Because it doesn't rely on tech support for funding it's set up to minmise questions by newbies, by actually installing software so it'll run.
I can't program worth a damm, but once i figured out how to edit a config file, that was as far as i had to develop my skill to get debian boxes hard at work on a number of jobs.
Other distro's look flasher installing (try doing a net install off a pair of floppies tho) but after that you're pretty much on your own.
A serious review would be comparing using the machines for a year, but thats beyond IT journalism in general, and linux journalism in particular.
How about that this story got a WHOLE PAGE in the Australian Financial Review (and the picture of tridge was half the page).
This isn't a tech piece on Linux Orbit.
this is a mostly technically literate puff piece on linux in the newspaper that the suits of a modern nation read (roughly equivalent to the Wall Street Journal or the Financial Times).
thats what's newsworthy about it.
Plus Tridge lives in Canberra so he's all right unlike the rest of you bastards who pick on us (sorry, local grievances there).
name 1 open source/free software project that's taken 30 years
just 1
i dare you.
(seeing as - to the best of my knowledge - no open/free licence has existed for more than 16 years it would be tough).
Your problem is that closed projects burst fully formed (although mostly deformed) into the public arena, open projects are kicking around in public from the start of their process.
interestingly this also applies to security fixes, where in the free world the fix is released on the basis of a theoretical exploit, whereas in the closed world a practical exploit is in the wild before you see a security patch.
true, but it wouldn't be like flinging a plate on it's lonesome through the atmosphere, it would have been surrounded by a mass of plasma for a long ways out.
I had heard that while voyager is the furthest spacecraft from earth, the furthest man made object was an unfortunate manhole cover used in a nuclear test pre-sputnik.
Telstra have been MS junkies a long way back, Bill G made a point of wowing the Australian Government with presentations to Cabinet in the early days of the commercial net (1996/7 - early for MS) and with that push went the Govt owned corporates, of which Telstra is one.
Telstra nearly lost their commercial ISP business due to faillings in Win NT's stability in those days.
They also got extremely upset with MS publishing criticism of their Broadband strategy earlier this year (they'd thought they were buddies)
At a guess though I'd say Telstra are using this bit of smoke to help their negotiations with MS, negotiations on a number of fronts.
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genuine response to the comment and i get modded down, nice work.
ok, explain to me how you can have postive cash flow (over time) and be unprofitable?
ok, I want one too!
where'd you get yours from?
oddly enough this security has not yet appeared in mobilephones, or cars, or house locks, or laptop computers.
which does lead one to wonder if it's all that good.
an internet style nazi, just what the world needs you pathetic little man.
now have a go at the content and give yourself an uppercut for being near-terminally shallow.
Once in a lifetime?
my fat arse
The leonids come through for 2-3 year recurrent periods every 31 years.
and some years they come through when you haven't got a full moon in the sky (unlike this lot).
that would be a lot closer to "once in a lifetime"
I wish the astromony nuts would stop over-inflating expectations.
the best meteor showers i've seen have been completely unexpected and un-announced.
For sure,
I dunno if it will work but the question was why do they bother.
At one level this could be viewed as a CS experiment, if it can't be made to work then there's a lot of CS theory that should be reviewed.
well the debian framework is poised to be bolted on around it.
so you'll have all the apps, functionality of a solid, if slightly sluggish linux distro.
in theory the more elgant design should bring performance increases,
and the superirio code maintainability won't need Bitkeeper to submit patches for it.
in theory.
they won't run with linux because they rely on handwriting recognition tog et the most out of them.
Which is the sort of high price, patent encumbered research (a bit like OCR) which open source struggles with.
And don't go thinking this is coincidental with MS's love of the platform.
Actually the whole idea of open source has nothing to do with democracy per se.
it has to do with empowered and unencumbered individuals, which shares traits with some views of democracy.
the whining socialist view of democracy that tries to hold everyone back to the level of the lowest doesn't have much to do with the open source way.
dude, thats what I was syaing, you don't do a major upgrade with deb, you update what needs updating as it needs updating.
Real world users prefer not to be doing major revision updates every 6 months.
no matter how pretty the installer.
Jesus christ, when will people get over the installer???
The average windows user should never see the installer, ditto the average linux user.
Debian users don't pay attention to the installer because we see it just the once.
Linux distro revieers on the other hand never do any real work with a system, just install, install, install.
Debian runs hard and strong and updates itself.
Because it doesn't rely on tech support for funding it's set up to minmise questions by newbies, by actually installing software so it'll run.
I can't program worth a damm, but once i figured out how to edit a config file, that was as far as i had to develop my skill to get debian boxes hard at work on a number of jobs.
Other distro's look flasher installing (try doing a net install off a pair of floppies tho) but after that you're pretty much on your own.
A serious review would be comparing using the machines for a year, but thats beyond IT journalism in general, and linux journalism in particular.
How about that this story got a WHOLE PAGE in the Australian Financial Review (and the picture of tridge was half the page).
This isn't a tech piece on Linux Orbit.
this is a mostly technically literate puff piece on linux in the newspaper that the suits of a modern nation read (roughly equivalent to the Wall Street Journal or the Financial Times).
thats what's newsworthy about it.
Plus Tridge lives in Canberra so he's all right unlike the rest of you bastards who pick on us (sorry, local grievances there).
name 1 open source/free software project that's taken 30 years
just 1
i dare you.
(seeing as - to the best of my knowledge - no open/free licence has existed for more than 16 years it would be tough).
Your problem is that closed projects burst fully formed (although mostly deformed) into the public arena, open projects are kicking around in public from the start of their process.
interestingly this also applies to security fixes, where in the free world the fix is released on the basis of a theoretical exploit, whereas in the closed world a practical exploit is in the wild before you see a security patch.
my LAMP (Linux Apache Mysql PHP) box cost me exactly the price of the hardware.
can you do me a quote for an equivalent IIS/ASP/ODBC box?
cheers.
Actually journal writing is a reflectionj of the literacy of the society.
Consider how that reflects on you and your peers at your leisure.
For every Samuel Pepys I promise there were thousands of journals of his era that were awful
You have to slay a lot of dragons to get a princess.
it's 1 right?
true, but it wouldn't be like flinging a plate on it's lonesome through the atmosphere, it would have been surrounded by a mass of plasma for a long ways out.
be interesting to see the effect that'd have.
Google brings up a pile of results like these
Telstra have been MS junkies a long way back, Bill G made a point of wowing the Australian Government with presentations to Cabinet in the early days of the commercial net (1996/7 - early for MS) and with that push went the Govt owned corporates, of which Telstra is one.
Telstra nearly lost their commercial ISP business due to faillings in Win NT's stability in those days.
They also got extremely upset with MS publishing criticism of their Broadband strategy earlier this year (they'd thought they were buddies)
At a guess though I'd say Telstra are using this bit of smoke to help their negotiations with MS, negotiations on a number of fronts.
Adams was good, damm good.
and he pioneered his genre to some extent.
but his output was both patchy and sparse.
Terry Pratchett and Robert Rankin have written far more at an arguably higher standard.
just my 2c.
150 years ago thousands of young men worked from dawn to dusk in the counting houses of the dutch east india company.
they scratched and scribbled and did excatly what a single server can achieve today.
which gives those young men time to go out and get drunk instead.
neurons are SLOW
brains are, however, massively parallel.
I think you'd get more grunt and reliability from massively parallel silicon in this century than from any artificial neuronic configuration.
But really your quantum computers, which can parallelise across their own probabilities will almost certainly be the next major leap.
there are plenty of restaurants taking orders on handhelds right now.
to be honest it doesn't seem to improve the service any.