The problem with information theft cases like this is you cannot 'return' in data, since in most cases you never 'took' it to begin with. This make enforcement all the more important: these students may have had good intentions, and only wanted to point out a flaw in a private system. But they could also turn around and sell the list of SSNs to any number of people who would want them for who-know-what. The only way to fully know their motives is to trust that they are telling the truth, and frankly I am not willing to trust my identity to these types of people.
I agree that we have a number of stupid laws, but for a crime of this nature, a crime that can effectivly ruin the victim's life (think credit scores, terrorist watch lists, etc) I feel we need to totally discourage people from this kind of vigilantism. Go to the authorities, go to the principal, go to your elected officals, go to the media, but do not take matters into you own hands unless you are ready to accept your punishment for breaking the law.
I feel it is far more important for these kids to learn respect for the laws as they are written today than it is to applaud them for finding this flaw in the computer system.
Taking a picture of a TV set, assuming you did not enter the house, is not a crime. Breaking into a computer system you are not authorized to use, FOR ANY REASON AT ALL, is a crime.
You're trying to get people to change their habits. You might have an easier time if they don't hate your guts because you stole tiehr identies. And don't get me a load about how they deleted everything, if they memorized even one SSN, they deserve time behind bars.
Crime == Crime, if you don't like the law, try to change it. Call a senator, mayor, city council, let them know their money is being spend on a system that gives out private information. Works very well during election season.
Theres a big difference between whistle-blowing and breaking the law. Would you go into someone's house and steal their TV just to prove how ineffective their door lock is? HSs are rather small, if they spread word around, maybe at a PTA meeting, they might have gotten the same results without going to jail for computer crimes. Crime, even for a good reason, is still crime, and if we don't enforce the law all the time, we might as well not inforce it at all.
1. Yeah, we don't know how gravity works, but at the same time, there aren't thousands of scientists warning us that gravity will reverse itself unless we do something about it right now.
and, 2. Please stop posting all the same links every time. It is -Redundant-. Wish I had mod points today...
Out of curousity, what exactly has the Republican executive branch done in regards to global warming (or as they refer to it "climate change") in the past 4 years and what are they proposing to do in the next 4 years?
im in sales (the horror! a salesman!). my company pays up to $125 per month for a cell phone and $30 for DSL. everyone feels the 30 is too low and the 125 is way too much. but, since im in the field all day, the cell phone is way more necessary than the DSL at home which i rarely use for business.
oh no! an invasion of my privacy! now everyone will know my secret love of sugary cereals! NOOOOOO! my life is over!
serously, does anyone really care about this? im just glad that companies actually give a shit to let their customers know about something that can adversly affect thier health. why is this even an issue?
and the tivo thing as well: my god, someone knows i like watching a-team reruns! disaster!
Bowling for Columbine is a work of fiction. Moore has come out and said this himself in public before. http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/print This.html ?id=110003233/
So if you're using BfC as a documentary, or even as facts, you're insane.
I have an Asus A7V8X which is based (I think) on the VIA KT400. I'm comming up on my year anniversary, and I havent had any problems, and it has spent most of that time overclocked.
i have the network adapter for ps2, and i noticed it has what looks to be a hard drive connector and power connector. has anyone tried using the regular network adapter to do something like this? i realize i might need to format/install linux on the hard drive before putting it in my ps2, but i'd rather do that than spend some money on a linux kit.
you mentioned Nazi Germany as being taught to german kids to remind them of their governments mistakes, yet i find it odd you did not mention any examples of American policy that is as bad/worse than Nazism. any examples of the US being worse than Nazi Germany would be very informative. please provide links/refrences as well. thank you.
but seriously, why would france want to attack its best oil supplier? they aren't chickens, they're smart business men who just happen to deal with tryannical dictators.
You can pattent a method of using an existing patent in a new way, right? Well, I'm going to patent "A method of using Amazon.com's various patents as grounds for griping and bitching on the internet via electronic communication."
Or, like Dogbert said, "I've just patented no-click shopping. You better click on something before I send you some books"
negative, ghostrider. from what ive heard, big media is trying to sue copyleft for selling t-shirts with the DeCSS code printed on them. i know a guy who has one and i really wish i had bought one now... i wonder if they are still for sale.
i got hit by this too, but in a different way. i used bearshare to share mp3s, and i (accidently) shared my archive of norton utilities. the BSA sent a nasty letter to my university (at the time i was living in the dorms) and the school threatened cutting off my connection. after talking to people at school and explaining the bully tactics of the BSA, they finally let me off with a written warning. but now i have a perminant disipline (sp?) record at school.
and if it wasnt bad enough, they are giving bad press to another group (of which i am a member) with the same acronym which is already taking enought heat for their stance on some issues.
too bad there's no kind of accountability for this kind of $#!+
it sounds to me like this helps napster come back, but only as a pay for play service. this doesnt sound like it will go well with most of the music listeners/pirates on napster (or any other service) right now. i doubt anyone would pay even 1$ a year for napster if any free alternative exist, legal or not.
finally! i might actually think about getting a p4 now... its good to see that intel cant just bully their products onto the market like ms has been doing.
anyone know if they plan on making it SMP enabled anytime soon, or is that too much to ask?
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The problem with information theft cases like this is you cannot 'return' in data, since in most cases you never 'took' it to begin with. This make enforcement all the more important: these students may have had good intentions, and only wanted to point out a flaw in a private system. But they could also turn around and sell the list of SSNs to any number of people who would want them for who-know-what. The only way to fully know their motives is to trust that they are telling the truth, and frankly I am not willing to trust my identity to these types of people.
I agree that we have a number of stupid laws, but for a crime of this nature, a crime that can effectivly ruin the victim's life (think credit scores, terrorist watch lists, etc) I feel we need to totally discourage people from this kind of vigilantism. Go to the authorities, go to the principal, go to your elected officals, go to the media, but do not take matters into you own hands unless you are ready to accept your punishment for breaking the law.
I feel it is far more important for these kids to learn respect for the laws as they are written today than it is to applaud them for finding this flaw in the computer system.
Through the open door?
Also, +1 for a nice strawman.
Taking a picture of a TV set, assuming you did not enter the house, is not a crime. Breaking into a computer system you are not authorized to use, FOR ANY REASON AT ALL, is a crime.
You're trying to get people to change their habits. You might have an easier time if they don't hate your guts because you stole tiehr identies. And don't get me a load about how they deleted everything, if they memorized even one SSN, they deserve time behind bars.
Crime == Crime, if you don't like the law, try to change it. Call a senator, mayor, city council, let them know their money is being spend on a system that gives out private information. Works very well during election season.
Theres a big difference between whistle-blowing and breaking the law. Would you go into someone's house and steal their TV just to prove how ineffective their door lock is? HSs are rather small, if they spread word around, maybe at a PTA meeting, they might have gotten the same results without going to jail for computer crimes. Crime, even for a good reason, is still crime, and if we don't enforce the law all the time, we might as well not inforce it at all.
Wait a minute, Slashdot is linking to an article from K5?
Can you say 'Jumped the Shark'?
1. Yeah, we don't know how gravity works, but at the same time, there aren't thousands of scientists warning us that gravity will reverse itself unless we do something about it right now.
and,
2. Please stop posting all the same links every time. It is -Redundant-. Wish I had mod points today...
...but is it worth upgrading from my copy of Lord of the Rings with HyperThreading?
I thought GC discs spun backwards? If you wanted to create pirate games with your DVD burner, wouldn't need to modify your burner to burn backwards?
/me breaks out the soldering iron and the ol' 4x CD burner... it's hackin' time.
Would you be able to just reverse the polarity to the motor...?
Out of curousity, what exactly has the Republican executive branch done in regards to global warming (or as they refer to it "climate change") in the past 4 years and what are they proposing to do in the next 4 years?
about as much as the Democrats have done.
im in sales (the horror! a salesman!). my company pays up to $125 per month for a cell phone and $30 for DSL. everyone feels the 30 is too low and the 125 is way too much. but, since im in the field all day, the cell phone is way more necessary than the DSL at home which i rarely use for business.
just sharing with the group.
mDn
oh no! an invasion of my privacy! now everyone will know my secret love of sugary cereals! NOOOOOO! my life is over!
serously, does anyone really care about this? im just glad that companies actually give a shit to let their customers know about something that can adversly affect thier health. why is this even an issue?
and the tivo thing as well: my god, someone knows i like watching a-team reruns! disaster!
Bowling for Columbine is a work of fiction. Moore has come out and said this himself in public before.t This.html ?id=110003233/
http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/prin
So if you're using BfC as a documentary, or even as facts, you're insane.
I have an Asus A7V8X which is based (I think) on the VIA KT400. I'm comming up on my year anniversary, and I havent had any problems, and it has spent most of that time overclocked.
can you say UT map?
seriously, i would love to go around my office/university/town with a chaingun and have a little fire fight...
i have the network adapter for ps2, and i noticed it has what looks to be a hard drive connector and power connector. has anyone tried using the regular network adapter to do something like this? i realize i might need to format/install linux on the hard drive before putting it in my ps2, but i'd rather do that than spend some money on a linux kit.
you mentioned Nazi Germany as being taught to german kids to remind them of their governments mistakes, yet i find it odd you did not mention any examples of American policy that is as bad/worse than Nazism. any examples of the US being worse than Nazi Germany would be very informative. please provide links/refrences as well. thank you.
but seriously, why would france want to attack its best oil supplier? they aren't chickens, they're smart business men who just happen to deal with tryannical dictators.
Or, like Dogbert said, "I've just patented no-click shopping. You better click on something before I send you some books"
negative, ghostrider. from what ive heard, big media is trying to sue copyleft for selling t-shirts with the DeCSS code printed on them. i know a guy who has one and i really wish i had bought one now... i wonder if they are still for sale.
--mDn
and if it wasnt bad enough, they are giving bad press to another group (of which i am a member) with the same acronym which is already taking enought heat for their stance on some issues.
too bad there's no kind of accountability for this kind of $#!+
free > pay. always.
finally! i might actually think about getting a p4 now... its good to see that intel cant just bully their products onto the market like ms has been doing.
anyone know if they plan on making it SMP enabled anytime soon, or is that too much to ask?
the kyoto treaty is not really "news for nerds", it is closer to "news for ecologists". but at least im doing my part for the environment...
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