And here I thought that they exist to make their shareholders money. Silly me.
Which, in the eyes of this articles author, is the answer to the question "Why?" The "positives" cited in articles like this are all about *business* reasons (ie., make rich people richer) why one company should merge with/buyout/eliminate as a competitor some other company.
What they are trying to do is tap into that whole "media hub" thing Jobs talked about at an Apple conference many moons ago. What they're DOING is crapping out turd after turd (compared to Apple and even smaller vendors, no I'm not an Apple fanboy, I own an iPod is all) because ultimately they are a company with too much money that has gotten lazy and so encumbered with corporate red tape they can afford to rush shit and get it to maybe work eventually as promised.
Xbox 360 - Relatively low cost front end to stream media throughout your house. Plays games on the side.
Windows Vista - Hub to serve up and store your media
Zune - Portable front end to take that media with you "on the go."
The thing is the groups in charge of these projects are so disconnected that when they launch them they work like crap, especially together.
Except that option doesn't work PROPERLY. Check out my Inbox, it shows messages from last week as old mail, messages from two days ago being from last week... I thought there was just something wrong with the copy of the Inbox I'd been takin' with me for the last long while. Nope, friends report the same problem when I asked them to sort by label to check if it was just me.
It is still a problem with version 2.0. Mozilla puts out some good software, but in the case of both Firefox and Thunderbird it always seems to be about 85-90% "complete". That's just my opinion.
i dunno what the other guy is talkin' about but when i type "slashdot" into firefox and hit enter it goes there. and i even tried it on a computer where slashdot had never been opened so it wasn't cached. *shrug*
Yeah I'm sure Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 coming out in '04 had no impact either. I mean WoW was pretty popular from the start, but they didn't get 8 million+ subscribers in the 1.5 months of release in '04.
I will probably get modded into oblivion for the subject alone, but hear me out...
I think WINE is a waste of effort on the part of the development team. Not to say they haven't done some really cool things, but to me, hacking together a system to run Windows apps on Linux seems counter-intuitive to the whole IDEA of Linux/OSS/FSF and the vast community of supporters.
So you can run Outlook, IE, some games or whatever, from a community that gripes about innovation, that isn't all that striking an accomplishment to me. By doing so the message, to me at least, to developers of "Windows Only Software" is "Go ahead, make Windows software instead of Linux native apps. We'll show you. We'll just run it in WINE!" Way to go, you just validated their business plan/model. They have no reason to make a Linux native app.
These DX10 guys and WINE and the Cedega people... Why do you want Linux to be seen as a "Me too!" platform? If the effort in these projects was spent creating Linux native applications that blew Windows software away, Linux would achieve broader acceptance more quickly and MS would sh_t themselves.
Again I am not trying to limit the impact of these projects, but it just doesn't make sense to me anymore.
That could be cool if I can find out info *I* want and not just company sponsored ads. Like whether or not the product sucks. Like everything, the usefulness depends on who is pulling the strings.
Not just for innovation. I have no problem paying a license fee for shit that works and does its job without having to worry too much.
This is a little off topic, but...
As costs for rebuilding the network at the company I am at now were making management nervous, I got them to reexamine their needs rather than blindly follow a project plan an outside contractor created for them (small non-profit building it's first real network/IT staff.) With a little education they realized we could save thousands on Windows Server licenses (with the exception for a new EMR and of course Exchange/Outlook combo). Flash forward to today and we have Ubuntu servers for their relative ease of setup running Apache, OpenVPN... pretty much anything that directly touches the Internet and only IT will really see.
This was an ideal situation and won't happen everywhere. I was originally hired because of my experience doing light Linux admin and personal use for years now. I got lucky too by having an audience that was willing to listen and now they are making donations to help some of the smaller OS projects whose software we started using internally.
Seems to me every puppe^H^H^H^Hpolitician I see on TV these days is always thanking God and going to church. The question is what's the chance of an atheist being elected to ANY national position of influence?
Pf you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The point in Jackass is wacking someone in the junk WITHOUT protective gear. They would have no interest in this technology.
This thread has made me wonder how "free" our market really is when you consider the following:
Lobbyists buying laws that help their clients reduce outside innovation and competition while weakening an individuals (DMCA).
Or how the courts can be used to hamstring competitors because the government approves vague, bullshit patents (Verizon v. Vonage is the obvious one right now, how many others have been posted here over the years?).
Oh the irony for what has become of a country born of its desire to cast off the shackles of oppressive rulers and a stifling social order. Today we the huddled masses, allow our "rulers" and social elite to conspire in ways that strip away ideals we have been indoctrinated to stand up for, but simply take for granted.
You quoted a line that was essentially part of a summary of her article. Later she says such exchanges SHOULD NOT be taxed and goes into explaining why.
It's this kind of social ineptitude that hurts F/OSS. I have talked to network administrators, mostly at small businesses, that have a hard time finding the money for MS and others during upgrade cycles, but they still find it less risky than using F/OSS because of things like this that they have read about. Politics dictates business, yes, but after you paid for something you usually have an expectation that the company won't walk away from it on you. Personal politics in F/OSS projects leads to this joke.
Here's some advice for Theo and any other self-important nerds out there: Grow up. No one cares about how smart you are when you act like an emotionally neglected teenager. It's called a therapist, find one. Otherwise you run the risk of becoming the black sheep in a community that may turn it's back on you and your work.
I never said the whole world should follow the US. Simplified, Japan's government and general population have rabidly embraced the Internet and technology. It's rubbed up against a stupid law, which I feel is stupid not as a citizen of the US, but as someone who believes people should be able to communicate openly whenever they want, now their embracing modern technology has come up against this law, and rather than adapt they cling to ideology that goes against the grain of other invested interests. It's hypocritical from a general view, no matter what the traditions dictate.
It's like saying when you're out in public you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy. From my "certain point of view" a society as "connected" as Japan is, it seems obtuse to say "But our own laws say!" when speaking to an international forum. Yes I realize the US does this too, but I would be posting the same thing if this story was about US.
I deem the Internet a no country can control it zone. Let the people really decide what they want to see, hear, read.
They just provide a forum. If you don't like what's on, sorry, so sad. Cut Internet access to your people if you're not able to adjust to the world.
Let's put it this way. If this was an RIAA article we'd be saying "The MAFIAA needs to adapt to the modern world!" It's not like anyone said the Japanese can't continue eating sushi, work insane hours and make Playstations. What if you're a Japanese tourist in another country? I doubt they're going to hook up a broadcast just so you can see the hamsters run in their wheel.
This isn't exactly a law that has real social benefit. Not like punishment for a crime. This is more closely related to moderating access to information. Speaking as a native of the planet Earth who thinks allowing law to create hardline distinctions between cultures and wishes we could all just "Get along." it's a stupid law at that.
I know, don't feed the trolls, but how can someone call the Wii's controls gimmicky but desire a seemingly favorite series of games to come to PS3. What the hell do you call the SIXAXIS?
Quit whining about the MS tax and look around. Powernotebooks will sell you a non-OS system and it's the same machine you'd buy from the big guys. Or buy a Compal system from a vendor and the parts to roll your own.
It's not that you can't find a vendor to purchase a system without and OS or it just requires more than "1-Click".
Still that doesn't mean Microsoft is guilty. Just because you didn't know the speed limit on a road was only 35 and you were going 45 doesn't mean you get out of the ticket. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse right? The problem is companies are getting what they paid for with those huge ad campaigns that only give as much information as necessary. They've given the sheeple a sense of "We're on your side, trust us blindly!" and when the people feel burned, whether the companies fault or their own, they retaliate.
I can see Amidala, but unless you got yourself a time machine, I'm thinkin' a "Carrie Fisher" Leia spread today would probably be the only issue were guys really do "only read the articles".
From a market standpoint, yes AMD made the first in-roads with onchip mem controllers and now their integrated GPU (which they probably wouldn't be doing if not for purchasing a GPU manufacturer). From a technical standpoint, I don't think AMD really did anything others hadn't pondered already. It's not like examples of "integrated everythings" can't be found elsewhere.
On either side this isn't a huge engineering breakthrough. It's simply trying to gain more business. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I just don't feel Intel really "stole" AMD's thunder on this one. That's like saying Ford is now shipping a car with airbags, but Chevy did it first, so Ford is just stealing Chevy's "invention."
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And here I thought that they exist to make their shareholders money. Silly me.
Which, in the eyes of this articles author, is the answer to the question "Why?" The "positives" cited in articles like this are all about *business* reasons (ie., make rich people richer) why one company should merge with/buyout/eliminate as a competitor some other company.
What they are trying to do is tap into that whole "media hub" thing Jobs talked about at an Apple conference many moons ago. What they're DOING is crapping out turd after turd (compared to Apple and even smaller vendors, no I'm not an Apple fanboy, I own an iPod is all) because ultimately they are a company with too much money that has gotten lazy and so encumbered with corporate red tape they can afford to rush shit and get it to maybe work eventually as promised.
Xbox 360 - Relatively low cost front end to stream media throughout your house. Plays games on the side.
Windows Vista - Hub to serve up and store your media
Zune - Portable front end to take that media with you "on the go."
The thing is the groups in charge of these projects are so disconnected that when they launch them they work like crap, especially together.
You forgot to add "if you live in Hong Kong" to the end of that sentence.
Except that option doesn't work PROPERLY. Check out my Inbox, it shows messages from last week as old mail, messages from two days ago being from last week... I thought there was just something wrong with the copy of the Inbox I'd been takin' with me for the last long while. Nope, friends report the same problem when I asked them to sort by label to check if it was just me.
It is still a problem with version 2.0. Mozilla puts out some good software, but in the case of both Firefox and Thunderbird it always seems to be about 85-90% "complete". That's just my opinion.
i dunno what the other guy is talkin' about but when i type "slashdot" into firefox and hit enter it goes there. and i even tried it on a computer where slashdot had never been opened so it wasn't cached. *shrug*
Yeah I'm sure Half-Life 2 and Doom 3 coming out in '04 had no impact either. I mean WoW was pretty popular from the start, but they didn't get 8 million+ subscribers in the 1.5 months of release in '04.
I will probably get modded into oblivion for the subject alone, but hear me out...
I think WINE is a waste of effort on the part of the development team. Not to say they haven't done some really cool things, but to me, hacking together a system to run Windows apps on Linux seems counter-intuitive to the whole IDEA of Linux/OSS/FSF and the vast community of supporters.
So you can run Outlook, IE, some games or whatever, from a community that gripes about innovation, that isn't all that striking an accomplishment to me. By doing so the message, to me at least, to developers of "Windows Only Software" is "Go ahead, make Windows software instead of Linux native apps. We'll show you. We'll just run it in WINE!" Way to go, you just validated their business plan/model. They have no reason to make a Linux native app.
These DX10 guys and WINE and the Cedega people... Why do you want Linux to be seen as a "Me too!" platform? If the effort in these projects was spent creating Linux native applications that blew Windows software away, Linux would achieve broader acceptance more quickly and MS would sh_t themselves.
Again I am not trying to limit the impact of these projects, but it just doesn't make sense to me anymore.
That could be cool if I can find out info *I* want and not just company sponsored ads. Like whether or not the product sucks. Like everything, the usefulness depends on who is pulling the strings.
Not just for innovation. I have no problem paying a license fee for shit that works and does its job without having to worry too much. This is a little off topic, but... As costs for rebuilding the network at the company I am at now were making management nervous, I got them to reexamine their needs rather than blindly follow a project plan an outside contractor created for them (small non-profit building it's first real network/IT staff.) With a little education they realized we could save thousands on Windows Server licenses (with the exception for a new EMR and of course Exchange/Outlook combo). Flash forward to today and we have Ubuntu servers for their relative ease of setup running Apache, OpenVPN... pretty much anything that directly touches the Internet and only IT will really see. This was an ideal situation and won't happen everywhere. I was originally hired because of my experience doing light Linux admin and personal use for years now. I got lucky too by having an audience that was willing to listen and now they are making donations to help some of the smaller OS projects whose software we started using internally.
Seems to me every puppe^H^H^H^Hpolitician I see on TV these days is always thanking God and going to church. The question is what's the chance of an atheist being elected to ANY national position of influence?
Pf you obviously don't know what you're talking about. The point in Jackass is wacking someone in the junk WITHOUT protective gear. They would have no interest in this technology.
Go... 1. PC World
You sound like the guy in my neighborhood with the Ferrari who everyone thinks is trying to compensate for having a little (wait for it)... wii.
This thread has made me wonder how "free" our market really is when you consider the following:
Lobbyists buying laws that help their clients reduce outside innovation and competition while weakening an individuals (DMCA).
Or how the courts can be used to hamstring competitors because the government approves vague, bullshit patents (Verizon v. Vonage is the obvious one right now, how many others have been posted here over the years?).
Oh the irony for what has become of a country born of its desire to cast off the shackles of oppressive rulers and a stifling social order. Today we the huddled masses, allow our "rulers" and social elite to conspire in ways that strip away ideals we have been indoctrinated to stand up for, but simply take for granted.
The United States has lost touch with its soul.
If that's an invitation to come work at your company so I can play Xbox 360 all day, sign me up!
However with all the smart people you would think Microsoft is hiring, it seems they still manage to fuck up everything they release as version 1.0
You quoted a line that was essentially part of a summary of her article. Later she says such exchanges SHOULD NOT be taxed and goes into explaining why.
It's this kind of social ineptitude that hurts F/OSS. I have talked to network administrators, mostly at small businesses, that have a hard time finding the money for MS and others during upgrade cycles, but they still find it less risky than using F/OSS because of things like this that they have read about. Politics dictates business, yes, but after you paid for something you usually have an expectation that the company won't walk away from it on you. Personal politics in F/OSS projects leads to this joke.
Here's some advice for Theo and any other self-important nerds out there: Grow up. No one cares about how smart you are when you act like an emotionally neglected teenager. It's called a therapist, find one. Otherwise you run the risk of becoming the black sheep in a community that may turn it's back on you and your work.
I never said the whole world should follow the US. Simplified, Japan's government and general population have rabidly embraced the Internet and technology. It's rubbed up against a stupid law, which I feel is stupid not as a citizen of the US, but as someone who believes people should be able to communicate openly whenever they want, now their embracing modern technology has come up against this law, and rather than adapt they cling to ideology that goes against the grain of other invested interests. It's hypocritical from a general view, no matter what the traditions dictate.
It's like saying when you're out in public you shouldn't have an expectation of privacy. From my "certain point of view" a society as "connected" as Japan is, it seems obtuse to say "But our own laws say!" when speaking to an international forum. Yes I realize the US does this too, but I would be posting the same thing if this story was about US.
I deem the Internet a no country can control it zone. Let the people really decide what they want to see, hear, read.
They just provide a forum. If you don't like what's on, sorry, so sad. Cut Internet access to your people if you're not able to adjust to the world.
Let's put it this way. If this was an RIAA article we'd be saying "The MAFIAA needs to adapt to the modern world!" It's not like anyone said the Japanese can't continue eating sushi, work insane hours and make Playstations. What if you're a Japanese tourist in another country? I doubt they're going to hook up a broadcast just so you can see the hamsters run in their wheel.
This isn't exactly a law that has real social benefit. Not like punishment for a crime. This is more closely related to moderating access to information. Speaking as a native of the planet Earth who thinks allowing law to create hardline distinctions between cultures and wishes we could all just "Get along." it's a stupid law at that.
I know, don't feed the trolls, but how can someone call the Wii's controls gimmicky but desire a seemingly favorite series of games to come to PS3. What the hell do you call the SIXAXIS?
Quit whining about the MS tax and look around. Powernotebooks will sell you a non-OS system and it's the same machine you'd buy from the big guys. Or buy a Compal system from a vendor and the parts to roll your own.
It's not that you can't find a vendor to purchase a system without and OS or it just requires more than "1-Click".
Still that doesn't mean Microsoft is guilty. Just because you didn't know the speed limit on a road was only 35 and you were going 45 doesn't mean you get out of the ticket. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse right? The problem is companies are getting what they paid for with those huge ad campaigns that only give as much information as necessary. They've given the sheeple a sense of "We're on your side, trust us blindly!" and when the people feel burned, whether the companies fault or their own, they retaliate.
I can see Amidala, but unless you got yourself a time machine, I'm thinkin' a "Carrie Fisher" Leia spread today would probably be the only issue were guys really do "only read the articles".
From a market standpoint, yes AMD made the first in-roads with onchip mem controllers and now their integrated GPU (which they probably wouldn't be doing if not for purchasing a GPU manufacturer). From a technical standpoint, I don't think AMD really did anything others hadn't pondered already. It's not like examples of "integrated everythings" can't be found elsewhere.
On either side this isn't a huge engineering breakthrough. It's simply trying to gain more business. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I just don't feel Intel really "stole" AMD's thunder on this one. That's like saying Ford is now shipping a car with airbags, but Chevy did it first, so Ford is just stealing Chevy's "invention."