> The US government develops a new communication protocol stack. This New Protocol (NP) has some great features: Complete point to point encryption. Tight integration of video, voice and data. Cache based compression allowing small key bits to trigger the replay of locally cached data sets. The protocol stack is released under the BSD license.
> Microsoft embraces NP and renames it MSN/NP. Microsoft substitutes a modified version of the encryption and their own proprietary cached data set. Microsoft owns 95% of the desktop space. Microsoft leverages the popularity of MSN/NP content into control of most of the server market. AOL must license the technology or risk loosing all their customers. Macromedia ceases to exist. Apple turns over 90% of their profits to Microsoft just to keep Microsoft from abandoning the Mac platform. etc...
Ok, there is some seriously flawed logic in your hypothesis. It is much easier to keep things compatible if you start with the same source. For example the -ac branch is compatible with the main branch of the Linux kernel.
Easier may not guarantee the result that we want but let me explain my point a little further. It's easier for Microsoft to say that they weren't able to use any of the original source code because of the GPL and come up with a completely incompatible version than had the code been licensed under the BSD license. At least under the BSD license, they would have something to gain by keeping it as original as possible, and that is free future development. Even then, that still may not be enough to keep Microsoft from closing it, look at how they raped Kerberos. If Microsoft chooses to close a protocol, they can, it's just that simple. And at the moment, there is no way to stop them. Pressure them maybe, but not stop.
Another flaw with your logic, at least in regards to AOL is their use of proprietary only extensions. Come on now, have you ever checked your Networking control panel in Windows, they install an AOL Dialup Adapter. There is no reason they can't bind their Adapter to an already installed protocol like the MS/NP, it already binds to the TCP/IP protocol. Get what I'm saying, they have thought of these things in advanced and will probably not get caught off guard.
Regardless, this networking scenario is quite impossible in that it would require a major overhaul of the backbone routers. I highly doubt Cisco and others would rather use the MS/NP version, over the Gubmints version anyways. Even then, everyone would still have to choose to implement MS/NP over Gubmint/NP. They may own the Desktop, but they don't own the network, so they are subject to the network itself. They may dictate what wallpaper you start with, but they aren't currently able to dictate what networking protocols you use.
> I'd sell my soul for photoshop in linux. OK, well maybe not my soul. My conscience, maybe
Hey, I'm just curious....but what is the bluebook for a soul these days? It's probably not nearly as much as the licensing fee for photoshop. Soul's can't be that expensive these days, just look at all the morons in congress!
1) The very lax software license 2) A unix like os derived from BSD Lite 4.4
While MacOS X is 2, it doesn't have 1.
Does this mean that MacOS X is not as good as Linux? No. Does this mean that Linux is not as good as MacOS X? No again. It's all about picking the right tool for the job. At time of writing this I can't think of a single rackmountable Mac. I wouldn't put a G4 cube in my server room regardless of processing power simply due to that fact alone. I have certain requirements of both space and processing power, again right tool for the job.
Now there are many proprietary BSD boxes, and perhaps you should switch them over to a more open OS like linux. For example, good ol SunOS 4.x, that was a proprietary BSD os and if you're still running that I'm sure things aren't looking to well on support and new features. Likewise for many proprietary BSD's. Using Linux in situations like that would probably be a good thing. MacOS X is not the first proprietary BSD and certainly wont be the last. Maybe the prettiest?!?!;) Anyways I've wasted enough time on this troll.
What happens if there is a sandstorm? I mean seriously...isn't this the same desert that has buried pyramids? The solar array would kind of rely on being visible.
Then there are politics, I don't think OPEC would like something like this in their backyard.
Ok, two things. My point was that phones can detect features. Now to answer your questions:
I broke my phone, and AT&T Wireless actually paid for the phone as a replacement. Apparently it was the only phone they had at the time that was flip. I use to own a startac and only like flip phones. Now they have the motorola v60 and I am going to get it soon. I got the phone like a few days before the v60 came out.
All ATTWS phones have to be manually set here in the city. Even the v60. I don't know about anywhere else, but here ya gotta set it.
My Ericcson phone was sold to me by AT&T over the phone, it doesn't have the time. It has a feature to set the time, but it says carrier doesn't support this feature. Now what this tells me is two things:
1) Phones are capable of detecting what features are available by their provider 2) AT&T needs a time synch feature, just like every other provider. I hate my phone because it relies on the provider to set the time and can't be set manaully. But really, in this day and age AT&T in SF is the only provider in this area that doesn't set the time.
Well maybe so, maybe not. In open source enthusiasts and people just looking to learn have access to ALL the code they want. That in itself is very significant. Sure You may be a bad ass coder working for Microsoft, but I'd wager that very few have access to all the source code needed to get a real idea of what's going on. As one software programming guru I call a friend once said "It takes a woman 9 months to have a baby, you can't have 9 women do the same in 1 month." or throwing people at something doesn't mean it will get done any faster.
Well I don't really know if that's the case. There are certain things. The GPL contains a clause in section 3 that reads as follows:
If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code.
From what I can tell, and yes of coure IANAL, this let's them simply say go to www.gnu.org for GNU stuff, and www.kernel.org for the kernel. That about covers everything included. Wine is the only thing I can think of that they have made changes to, and that is NOT currently GPL. I personally would rather have a site that contains all the software I'd need, but I guess this is allowed by the GPL.
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The EULA probably has something about this, in legalese. For you to get any money out of Microsoft like this, you'd have to challenge the EULA in courts first.
Here is my biggest problem with pay per use. If someone starts a dos on me, I have to pay for it. If I get spammed, I have to pay to download that e-mail. It became illegal to spam fax machines because they take up your resources (paper, ink) for something you didn't ask for. With metered accts like this, there is no such similar protection. Now I don't like legislation of such things myself, but something needs to happen. I hope things between the mail servers and the home users aren't getting charged. How bout a policy where only requested information is counted against your gbs alloted per month. Should somoene who doesn't like me decide to run up my bill, it's just a ddos away.
How in the hell is this racism? Yen is the name they use for currency in japan. Do you consider it racism when a homeless man comes up to you and asks "May I have a dollar for some food?". I'd bet this anonycow isn't even japanese.
If you read the article, you'd realize that we don't have the technology to detect earth-like planets. The article basically states that we'll soon have the capability. Just like we currrently have the capability to detect huge gaseous planets.
And the winner.... "As a general rule, America Online users are not computer savvy or it seems, capable of the level of technical sophistication necessary to operate a computer outside of an AOL environment."
LOL! This implies that they can operate IN the AOL environment. Believe it or not there is an AOL for Dummies book. I thought the point of AOL was to make it so easy that even a dummy could operate it.
the point is that the java programmers aren't the ones that install this kind of thing. It's the sysadmin's. So his point is quite valid, as MCSE's are the sysadmin's (ok, at least in theory).
Sega use to do this way back when. They used to have the Sega Channel, an adapter that hooked up to a Genesis and would let you play games. I wonder what's so revolutionary about this time around. Doesn't sound to different based on the info provided on the links, well except that it installs in less time than a cd.
Nowhere in my original post did I write the idea off as crazy. I was just stating that the information provided on the site was little to non.
As for settling for " a few disgruntled surfers, fish that are on drugs, if it meant that Vancouver Island could have some energy independence from the mainland." That's cool, but studies do need to be done.
What about long term effect in water? Fish and other sea creatures like stationary items like this, they make a habitat. What happens when the habitat screws with it's ability to generate energy? Do we kill the habitat or replace the tube?
Have you seen the artists rendition of how this is going to look, do you really want that off your shore?
It's good concept technology and may do wonders in Vancouver Island, but I wonder if this will ever become widespread. Sorry if I sound like some tree hugging hippie, I assure you I am not. I just have questions...
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> Let's hypothesize further:
> The US government develops a new communication protocol stack. This New Protocol (NP) has some great features: Complete point to point encryption. Tight integration of video, voice and data. Cache based compression allowing small key bits to trigger the replay of locally cached data sets. The protocol stack is released under the BSD license.
> Microsoft embraces NP and renames it MSN/NP. Microsoft substitutes a modified version of the encryption and their own proprietary cached data set. Microsoft owns 95% of the desktop space. Microsoft leverages the popularity of MSN/NP content into control of most of the server market. AOL must license the technology or risk loosing all their customers. Macromedia ceases to exist. Apple turns over 90% of their profits to Microsoft just to keep Microsoft from abandoning the Mac platform. etc...
Ok, there is some seriously flawed logic in your hypothesis. It is much easier to keep things compatible if you start with the same source. For example the -ac branch is compatible with the main branch of the Linux kernel.
Easier may not guarantee the result that we want but let me explain my point a little further. It's easier for Microsoft to say that they weren't able to use any of the original source code because of the GPL and come up with a completely incompatible version than had the code been licensed under the BSD license. At least under the BSD license, they would have something to gain by keeping it as original as possible, and that is free future development. Even then, that still may not be enough to keep Microsoft from closing it, look at how they raped Kerberos. If Microsoft chooses to close a protocol, they can, it's just that simple. And at the moment, there is no way to stop them. Pressure them maybe, but not stop.
Another flaw with your logic, at least in regards to AOL is their use of proprietary only extensions. Come on now, have you ever checked your Networking control panel in Windows, they install an AOL Dialup Adapter. There is no reason they can't bind their Adapter to an already installed protocol like the MS/NP, it already binds to the TCP/IP protocol. Get what I'm saying, they have thought of these things in advanced and will probably not get caught off guard.
Regardless, this networking scenario is quite impossible in that it would require a major overhaul of the backbone routers. I highly doubt Cisco and others would rather use the MS/NP version, over the Gubmints version anyways. Even then, everyone would still have to choose to implement MS/NP over Gubmint/NP. They may own the Desktop, but they don't own the network, so they are subject to the network itself. They may dictate what wallpaper you start with, but they aren't currently able to dictate what networking protocols you use.
> I'd sell my soul for photoshop in linux. OK, well maybe not my soul. My conscience, maybe
Hey, I'm just curious....but what is the bluebook for a soul these days? It's probably not nearly as much as the licensing fee for photoshop. Soul's can't be that expensive these days, just look at all the morons in congress!
Ok, i know this is a troll but I'll bite...
;) Anyways I've wasted enough time on this troll.
BSD refers to two things!
1) The very lax software license
2) A unix like os derived from BSD Lite 4.4
While MacOS X is 2, it doesn't have 1.
Does this mean that MacOS X is not as good as Linux? No. Does this mean that Linux is not as good as MacOS X? No again. It's all about picking the right tool for the job. At time of writing this I can't think of a single rackmountable Mac. I wouldn't put a G4 cube in my server room regardless of processing power simply due to that fact alone. I have certain requirements of both space and processing power, again right tool for the job.
Now there are many proprietary BSD boxes, and perhaps you should switch them over to a more open OS like linux. For example, good ol SunOS 4.x, that was a proprietary BSD os and if you're still running that I'm sure things aren't looking to well on support and new features. Likewise for many proprietary BSD's. Using Linux in situations like that would probably be a good thing. MacOS X is not the first proprietary BSD and certainly wont be the last. Maybe the prettiest?!?!
>If a customer needs directions to another store, an employee can immediately link to Mapquest on the Internet.
Peculiar, real men don't ask for directions!!!
What happens if there is a sandstorm? I mean seriously...isn't this the same desert that has buried pyramids? The solar array would kind of rely on being visible.
Then there are politics, I don't think OPEC would like something like this in their backyard.
Well...I use to believe in evolution until i read your post. You yourself are proof that evolution could not exist. Lame anonycow!
Ok, two things. My point was that phones can detect features. Now to answer your questions:
I broke my phone, and AT&T Wireless actually paid for the phone as a replacement. Apparently it was the only phone they had at the time that was flip. I use to own a startac and only like flip phones. Now they have the motorola v60 and I am going to get it soon. I got the phone like a few days before the v60 came out.
All ATTWS phones have to be manually set here in the city. Even the v60. I don't know about anywhere else, but here ya gotta set it.
My Ericcson phone was sold to me by AT&T over the phone, it doesn't have the time. It has a feature to set the time, but it says carrier doesn't support this feature. Now what this tells me is two things:
1) Phones are capable of detecting what features are available by their provider
2) AT&T needs a time synch feature, just like every other provider. I hate my phone because it relies on the provider to set the time and can't be set manaully. But really, in this day and age AT&T in SF is the only provider in this area that doesn't set the time.
Either way, the post is quite irrelevant.
Well maybe so, maybe not. In open source enthusiasts and people just looking to learn have access to ALL the code they want. That in itself is very significant. Sure You may be a bad ass coder working for Microsoft, but I'd wager that very few have access to all the source code needed to get a real idea of what's going on. As one software programming guru I call a friend once said "It takes a woman 9 months to have a baby, you can't have 9 women do the same in 1 month." or throwing people at something doesn't mean it will get done any faster.
Meanwhile, Groucho Marx is probably cracking up!!!
Do you think that's air you're breathing?
Ohhhh, no IE on the Mac, they must hate Microsoft now. However if you look closely tt still has Word, Excel and Powerpoint.
Well I don't really know if that's the case. There are certain things. The GPL contains a clause in section 3 that reads as follows:
If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering
access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent
access to copy the source code from the same place counts as
distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not
compelled to copy the source along with the object code.
From what I can tell, and yes of coure IANAL, this let's them simply say go to www.gnu.org for GNU stuff, and www.kernel.org for the kernel. That about covers everything included. Wine is the only thing I can think of that they have made changes to, and that is NOT currently GPL. I personally would rather have a site that contains all the software I'd need, but I guess this is allowed by the GPL.
The EULA probably has something about this, in legalese. For you to get any money out of Microsoft like this, you'd have to challenge the EULA in courts first.
judging by some of the bonehead decisions they make regarding technology, it's quite possible that they are "drunk-as-in-beer"(tm).
Here is my biggest problem with pay per use. If someone starts a dos on me, I have to pay for it. If I get spammed, I have to pay to download that e-mail. It became illegal to spam fax machines because they take up your resources (paper, ink) for something you didn't ask for. With metered accts like this, there is no such similar protection. Now I don't like legislation of such things myself, but something needs to happen. I hope things between the mail servers and the home users aren't getting charged. How bout a policy where only requested information is counted against your gbs alloted per month. Should somoene who doesn't like me decide to run up my bill, it's just a ddos away.
How in the hell is this racism? Yen is the name they use for currency in japan. Do you consider it racism when a homeless man comes up to you and asks "May I have a dollar for some food?". I'd bet this anonycow isn't even japanese.
If you read the article, you'd realize that we don't have the technology to detect earth-like planets. The article basically states that we'll soon have the capability. Just like we currrently have the capability to detect huge gaseous planets.
Yogi ain't interested unless it's a pickunick baskit.
And the winner....
"As a general rule, America Online users are not computer savvy or it seems, capable of the level of technical sophistication necessary to operate a computer outside of an AOL environment."
LOL! This implies that they can operate IN the AOL environment. Believe it or not there is an AOL for Dummies book. I thought the point of AOL was to make it so easy that even a dummy could operate it.
skr1pt k1dd13s don't kill servers, malformed packets kill servers.
Are PPD files platform independent? Can I take a Mac/Win PPD file and use in Linux?
the point is that the java programmers aren't the ones that install this kind of thing. It's the sysadmin's. So his point is quite valid, as MCSE's are the sysadmin's (ok, at least in theory).
Sega use to do this way back when. They used to have the Sega Channel, an adapter that hooked up to a Genesis and would let you play games. I wonder what's so revolutionary about this time around. Doesn't sound to different based on the info provided on the links, well except that it installs in less time than a cd.
Nowhere in my original post did I write the idea off as crazy. I was just stating that the information provided on the site was little to non.
As for settling for " a few disgruntled surfers, fish that are on drugs, if it meant that Vancouver Island could have some energy independence from the mainland." That's cool, but studies do need to be done.
What about long term effect in water? Fish and other sea creatures like stationary items like this, they make a habitat. What happens when the habitat screws with it's ability to generate energy? Do we kill the habitat or replace the tube?
Have you seen the artists rendition of how this is going to look, do you really want that off your shore?
It's good concept technology and may do wonders in Vancouver Island, but I wonder if this will ever become widespread. Sorry if I sound like some tree hugging hippie, I assure you I am not. I just have questions...