if you read the story about google bombing last week you will realise that your criticism is more effective if you use links rather than plaintext.
Slashdot, Hows about an easier form. There has got to be a easier/better way to do it than typing in raw tags. the form even ignores me if i put in nicely formed line breaks like <br/> or use both opening and closing paragraph tags
any way here are the links
And a link to the coverage of this on Kuro5hin.org Sceintology http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/21/8503/377 59
Dainetics
deliberate typos for google users who cant spell
His closing comment was out of line but so was your mail. Your mail was condescending and unnecessarily verbose. You have to try and put yourself in his shoes and have some empathy.
you could have made your point in about 2 paragraphs without implying that he was incompetent (he should get competent help), without bitching to him about how much you dislike spam, and definately with complaining that he was wasting taxpayers money and blaming him like it was his fault.
*I* _know_ thats not what you meant but he obviously did not and it is very easy to read it that way if you are an overworked underfunded school. There must have been a time when you have fired off an angry email without thinking very long about it.
I suggest you send him a follow up mail apologising for your abruptness, explaining your intent and tell him how to close the open relay to prevent people hijacking thier network to send spam. A gracious offer of help will be far more productive.
What makes you think they are running Windows 2000? This does not look like win2k http://spencer.k12.wi.us/TSWeb-Logon/defaul t.htm Netcraft only tells you what the webserver runs, its not infallible (some webservers lie), and its not necessarily what the mailserver is running and you dont even know if he runs the webserver. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.sp en cer.k12.wi.us Maybe the headers in his reply email prove he was using windows 2000 but how could you have known the first time you mailed him? You assume too much, which is not wise on your first encounter with a stranger. You probably feel like you are doing him a favor, but that mail would make him feel like he is just getting grief.
I dont think he is a bad guy, but you should both shake hands (at least metaphorically) and do what needs to be done. Think about the children!
My karma does not need this. i know this is offtopic but leave my karma alone.
So perhaps just this once people can go out and buy some CD's to help support this company and make sure there is a another release in the future.
A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.
This sounds like a useful idea and give use better directory systems, but its utility would be limited. Im sure there will be people poking holes in this algorithm in no time. Slashdot has a odd mix of subjects loosely tied together. News for Nerds is not a very strict group. Classification and grouping is a hard problem. There is no clear black and white, there are many shades of gray.
I strongly agree with above post, you really should emulate how Google does it. In particular im talking about text based Advertising.
If users find the advertsing particularly annoying or irrelavant, they can easily block all images from the site and your screwed. Dont forget some people still use text only browsers.
I really like using Slashdot light, but i still have to download a the advertising, and if its going to get worse then i might finally use adbuster or use mozilla's image blocking features, but i dont want to see Slashdot bankrupt either.
The official announcement
In plaintext for the paranoid
http://www.matsushita.co.jp/corp/news/official.dat a/data.dir/en020219-4/en020219-4.html
In addition, the adoption of a unique ID written on a Blu-ray Disc realizes high quality copyright protection functions.
Yah for non-company specific industry standards?
This is a Cartel of Nine companies, it may be "an open standard" but we will have to wait and see how free (as in freedom not cost) it is.
Licensing is expected to start around spring 2002.
the actual story as posted on the irish times is here:
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2002/0 21 2/breaking6.htm
Its a syndicated story, the 'PA' at the bottom is for the Press Association a Uk news service.
I supect the 'breaking news' section is an entirely automated newsfeed, which would explain why the Irish Times had it posted at 6 in the morning (GMT, their local time).
Search engine on your desktop?
Joel (On Software http://www.joelonsoftware.com ) has mentioned SixDegrees as a potential Google on your Desktop. http://www.creo.com/sixdegrees
Those are not necessarily good reasons to SEND word documents. Better to send a Link rather than an attachment, especially when you are mailing it to many people.
Besides if you were really serious about formatting would you not be using PDF?
Mail clients do spellchecking, there is not reason why they should not do grammar checking, just at the moment they dont.
in star wars IV a new hope, special edition the scene where Han Solo shoots Greedo in the Mos Eisley Cantina was changed.
originally Han could clearly be seen shooting first, but in the Special Edition Greedo shot first (but way off target, like a threat) and Han shot him as if i defense
Listening to the media is one thing, but being right is another.
Judges dont like to look stupid, they really hate to be proven wrong. The judges opinion might be swayed if it was highly likely that her/his opinion could be overturned on appeal.
you left out.shs which is a scrap file. There are one or two file extensions such as.lnk and and.shs which are always hidden by the registry and can be used to disguise virii.
There was an old eudora exploit that used a harmless looking.lnk to link to a second more dangerous attachment (this worked because they could always predict exactly where your attachments folder was)
You are oversimplyfing.
When most people talk about open source projects the preclude the idea of Commercial but Open source projects, they may not be the majority but they do exist.
If a project is both commercial and open (rather than commercial and propriatary) it is inevitable that the will have set deadlines and one can _honestly_ say that these deadlines exist.
Of course they may be an increased likehood that developers get distracted by tangetial features or helping out less skilled volunteer programmers (Brooks Law, adding more programmers to a late project only makes it later).
do you think the Open Office/Star Office Developers being paid for by Sun Microsystems or the Mozilla/Netscape developers being paid for by AOL/Netscape/TimeWarner/whoever are not forced to meet deadlines?
Mmm, Fud, makes me think of that simpsons episode where Homer cant get Duff Beer and has to settle for Fud (or was that FFUD?).
you need to set your terminal type to ANSI and then it will work fine.
i cant rememeber the command but a windows junkie put me in my place last week when i said how much windows telnet sucked rocks and he was using pine in no time.
If you can you should use SSH instead, i strongly recommmend Putty (search google and its the first page).
MS telnet still sucks rocks
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If you think thats good just wait till Star/Open Office && Abiword && KWord get their next generation of Standardised XML for Word Processing agreed and sorted out.
Im hoping i can finally make the switch and kiss all my old Rich Text Format.rtf Files goodbye.
If they can standardise on a subset of XML then not only will we have the benfit of using existing XML tools, but new tools will work across a multiple applications.
Choice is good, diversity is good, real standards are good. Its all good.
Im not a lawer but from what little i knowcontract law just doesn't work like that.
If you tried to use a contract or license to try and make GPL code secret then the contract is would be bogus.
However if the code is not GPL and you got caught then you have to deal with the DMCA, and try and argue your right to reverse engineer.
And then there is the UCITA nonsense trying to legitimise shrink wrap licenses...
> They probably only have to give the source code and their changes to customers, though, and not to the general public
What makes you think that?
Why wouldnt they have to give the code to the general public?
They did after all steal the code from the general public.
Having already profiteered and exploited GPL code i think financial reparations would be in order (but of course who gets what and how much? i class action suit perhaps?).
If the company was declared bankrupt before they were bought out then it would be very harsh to expect reparations fromt the current owner so long as they promptly releases the code as they are obliged to do.
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> How many would have been able to read an AbiWord document?
Anyone who downloaded the ~3MB of Abiword from Abisource.com.
I dont think it would be unreasonable to offer it in abw format, Its not like Adobe Acrobat Reader comes as standard with windows.
its beyond me hy they dont just offer it online in HTML and then offer the other formats for anyone who wants to print it (or even Zipped Html for those who want to read it offline).
Slashdot Mirror
here is a free but not open source grammar checker
if you read the story about google bombing last week you will realise that your criticism is more effective if you use links rather than plaintext. /> or use both opening and closing paragraph tags
Slashdot, Hows about an easier form. There has got to be a easier/better way to do it than typing in raw tags. the form even ignores me if i put in nicely formed line breaks like <br
any way here are the links
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And a link to the coverage of this on Kuro5hin.org7 59
Sceintology
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/21/8503/37
Dainetics deliberate typos for google users who cant spell
Remember this watershed event for Slashdot about Scientology Remember these:0 .html
Slashdot and Scientology http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/17677.html
http://slashdot.org/yro/01/05/17/0238223.shtml
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42486,0
Dont even bother wasting your mod points, please leave me at 1.
His closing comment was out of line but so was your mail. Your mail was condescending and unnecessarily verbose. You have to try and put yourself in his shoes and have some empathy.
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you could have made your point in about 2 paragraphs without implying that he was incompetent (he should get competent help), without bitching to him about how much you dislike spam, and definately with complaining that he was wasting taxpayers money and blaming him like it was his fault.
*I* _know_ thats not what you meant but he obviously did not and it is very easy to read it that way if you are an overworked underfunded school. There must have been a time when you have fired off an angry email without thinking very long about it.
I suggest you send him a follow up mail apologising for your abruptness, explaining your intent and tell him how to close the open relay to prevent people hijacking thier network to send spam. A gracious offer of help will be far more productive.
What makes you think they are running Windows 2000?
This does not look like win2k
http://spencer.k12.wi.us/TSWeb-Logon/defau
Netcraft only tells you what the webserver runs, its not infallible (some webservers lie), and its not necessarily what the mailserver is running and you dont even know if he runs the webserver.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.s
Maybe the headers in his reply email prove he was using windows 2000 but how could you have known the first time you mailed him?
You assume too much, which is not wise on your first encounter with a stranger. You probably feel like you are doing him a favor, but that mail would make him feel like he is just getting grief.
I dont think he is a bad guy, but you should both shake hands (at least metaphorically) and do what needs to be done. Think about the children!
My karma does not need this. i know this is offtopic but leave my karma alone.
A noble sentiment, but if you want to really help then Join the Mandrake club.
If you buy CD a lot of that money goes towards packaging distribution and marketing.
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is this the same article?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=76 &u=/nyt/20020314/tc_nyt/piracy__or_innovation__it_ s_hollywood_vs__high_tech
The mailto link "Richard Seltzer" is woefully malformed.
"mailto:seltzer@samizdat.com or http://www.samizdat"
Please fix it.
When it is fixed, please dont fuck up my karma by marking this as redundant.
I would consider subscibing if it would gaurantee proper links and spellchecking.
Mod the Parent up +1 Funny he just cannot be serious
Seeing as this is a story about Google Bombing this is actually on topic
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'Alan Cox up'
i wonder was that pun intended.
well i thought it was funny!
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This sounds like a useful idea and give use better directory systems, but its utility would be limited. Im sure there will be people poking holes in this algorithm in no time. Slashdot has a odd mix of subjects loosely tied together. News for Nerds is not a very strict group. Classification and grouping is a hard problem. There is no clear black and white, there are many shades of gray.
Interesting, but not as intersting as Google Bombing
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In plaintext for the paranoid: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/3/4/215438/5752
I strongly agree with above post, you really should emulate how Google does it. In particular im talking about text based Advertising.
If users find the advertsing particularly annoying or irrelavant, they can easily block all images from the site and your screwed. Dont forget some people still use text only browsers.
I really like using Slashdot light, but i still have to download a the advertising, and if its going to get worse then i might finally use adbuster or use mozilla's image blocking features, but i dont want to see Slashdot bankrupt either.
In plaintext for the paranoid http://www.matsushita.co.jp/corp/news/official.da
This is a Cartel of Nine companies, it may be "an open standard" but we will have to wait and see how free (as in freedom not cost) it is.
The Register is also carrying this story
the actual story as posted on the irish times is here:
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2002/
Its a syndicated story, the 'PA' at the bottom is for the Press Association a Uk news service.
I supect the 'breaking news' section is an entirely automated newsfeed, which would explain why the Irish Times had it posted at 6 in the morning (GMT, their local time).
Search engine on your desktop?
Joel (On Software http://www.joelonsoftware.com ) has mentioned SixDegrees as a potential Google on your Desktop. http://www.creo.com/sixdegrees
Those are not necessarily good reasons to SEND word documents. Better to send a Link rather than an attachment, especially when you are mailing it to many people.
Besides if you were really serious about formatting would you not be using PDF?
Mail clients do spellchecking, there is not reason why they should not do grammar checking, just at the moment they dont.
in star wars IV a new hope, special edition the scene where Han Solo shoots Greedo in the Mos Eisley Cantina was changed.
originally Han could clearly be seen shooting first, but in the Special Edition Greedo shot first (but way off target, like a threat) and Han shot him as if i defense
Listening to the media is one thing, but being right is another.
Judges dont like to look stupid, they really hate to be proven wrong. The judges opinion might be swayed if it was highly likely that her/his opinion could be overturned on appeal.
you left out .shs which is a scrap file. There are one or two file extensions such as .lnk and and .shs which are always hidden by the registry and can be used to disguise virii.
.lnk to link to a second more dangerous attachment (this worked because they could always predict exactly where your attachments folder was)
There was an old eudora exploit that used a harmless looking
You are oversimplyfing.
When most people talk about open source projects the preclude the idea of Commercial but Open source projects, they may not be the majority but they do exist.
If a project is both commercial and open (rather than commercial and propriatary) it is inevitable that the will have set deadlines and one can _honestly_ say that these deadlines exist.
Of course they may be an increased likehood that developers get distracted by tangetial features or helping out less skilled volunteer programmers (Brooks Law, adding more programmers to a late project only makes it later).
do you think the Open Office/Star Office Developers being paid for by Sun Microsystems or the Mozilla/Netscape developers being paid for by AOL/Netscape/TimeWarner/whoever are not forced to meet deadlines?
Mmm, Fud, makes me think of that simpsons episode where Homer cant get Duff Beer and has to settle for Fud (or was that FFUD?).
you need to set your terminal type to ANSI and then it will work fine.
i cant rememeber the command but a windows junkie put me in my place last week when i said how much windows telnet sucked rocks and he was using pine in no time.
If you can you should use SSH instead, i strongly recommmend Putty (search google and its the first page).
MS telnet still sucks rocks
If you think thats good just wait till Star/Open Office && Abiword && KWord get their next generation of Standardised XML for Word Processing agreed and sorted out.
.rtf Files goodbye.
Im hoping i can finally make the switch and kiss all my old Rich Text Format
If they can standardise on a subset of XML then not only will we have the benfit of using existing XML tools, but new tools will work across a multiple applications.
Choice is good, diversity is good, real standards are good. Its all good.
i said make it available to the public, i did not say pay to run an FTP site.
Hell even offering it to people who agree to pay $10 dollars for postage and handling would be acceptable.
I know for a fact that RMS made emacs available by snail mail.
I agree that they just have to _make the code available_
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The moderators are on crack. This post will just be used as another excuse to obliterate my single figure karma.
Im not a lawer but from what little i knowcontract law just doesn't work like that.
...
If you tried to use a contract or license to try and make GPL code secret then the contract is would be bogus.
However if the code is not GPL and you got caught then you have to deal with the DMCA, and try and argue your right to reverse engineer.
And then there is the UCITA nonsense trying to legitimise shrink wrap licenses
> They probably only have to give the source code and their changes to customers, though, and not to the general public
What makes you think that?
Why wouldnt they have to give the code to the general public?
They did after all steal the code from the general public.
Having already profiteered and exploited GPL code i think financial reparations would be in order (but of course who gets what and how much? i class action suit perhaps?).
If the company was declared bankrupt before they were bought out then it would be very harsh to expect reparations fromt the current owner so long as they promptly releases the code as they are obliged to do.
--
(Moderators, if you disagree then its Flamebait|Overated, not Troll or better yet just leave me and my battered karma alone)
> How many would have been able to read an AbiWord document?
Anyone who downloaded the ~3MB of Abiword from Abisource.com.
I dont think it would be unreasonable to offer it in abw format, Its not like Adobe Acrobat Reader comes as standard with windows.
its beyond me hy they dont just offer it online in HTML and then offer the other formats for anyone who wants to print it (or even Zipped Html for those who want to read it offline).