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Consumer Technology Bill of Rights?

thrilliams writes "The WSJ's Walt Mossberg has a story about DigitalConsumer.org, a new lobbying group that's pressing for a Consumer Technology Bill of Rights. It would aim to protect the right to time shift and space shift media, make backups, allow for platform independence and translation between formats. Given the current DCMA/SSSCA climate, even these basic rights seem ambitious, but check them out and do what you can to support this nascent effort." There's also an NYT article on the SSSCA debate, with an unintentionally humorous quote from the head of News Corporation (which owns 20th Century Fox): "without copyright protection we will change our business models".

264 comments

  1. Rights by Indras · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ooh, can we lobby for the right to bear portscanners?

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    1. Re:Rights by Salsaman · · Score: 3

      You might laugh, but the last time I ran a port scanner over the net, I got an email from my (then) ISP telling me the use of portscanners was not allowed on their network, and if I did it again I might lose my account.

    2. Re:Rights by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      While the legality of portscanning can be argued all you want, you are on your ISPs network, and if they don't want you to portscan, then they can stop you.. After all, it's their network. If you don't like it, go to another ISP.

    3. Re:Rights by Clay+Mitchell · · Score: 2

      You have no rights. Your abilities regarding watching movies and listening to music are "privileges" granted by the Media Conglo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H the Congress of the United States. Any attempt to change, circumvent, replace or remove these granted "privileges" is a violation of the DMCA and SSSCA and are subject to punishment to the fullest extent of the law.

  2. Place your bets by Fucky+the+troll · · Score: 1, Funny

    I predict the first ever slashdotted fax machine over at Washington.

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  3. one has to wonder.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if they have enough money to "lobby".

  4. All it needs by Apreche · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All this bill of rights needs is some support from artists. If you get top name musicians and movie makers to support this then it's all good.

    But there is one problem this still doesn't fix. For years and years the music industry has purposely not put out high quality recordings. CD quality is damn good, yes, but remember DAT? Know about DVD Audio? what's gonna be?

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  5. We need sensationalism by weave · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Our problem, is that we need to hype up our side like the other side does. We need to convince Joe Public that eventually they will no longer be able to "tape" their favorite shows. And that may not be that far off, when VCRs switch to digital from analog.

    Think about all the public alerts that have been passed around the net that still cause headaches for government agencies, like the "FCC banning religious programs due to Madilyn O'hare" or the infamous modem tax issue or the $2,500 area code 809 phone calls.

    Someone with a lot of literary skills needs to come up with some sort of alert that claims that those bastard liberal media companies and those liberals in Congress (I said sensationalist) are trying to take a way your right to record your TV shows by mandating that all future electronic devices contain copy protections to allow people who make shows to disable your ability to record them without paying for them. Include refs to digitalconsumer.org too. Then put the ole "We need to stop this right away, send this to all of your friends" line, details about the bill, and urge people to contact their congressman.

    Make this issue so poisoned that no elected official will get near it. Remember, the public are sheep and the reason corporations give so much money to candidates and the reason that is so influential is that people are elected by the strength of their campaign ads. But in the end, it's people who vote, not companies. So if enough people get up in arms about this, the elected (and elected-wannabees) will stand up and take notice.

    1. Re:We need sensationalism by Lonath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Someone with a lot of literary skills needs to come up with some sort of alert that claims that those bastard liberal media companies and those liberals in Congress (I said sensationalist) are trying to take a way your right to record your TV shows by mandating that all future electronic devices contain copy protections to allow people who make shows to disable your ability to record them without paying for them. Include refs to digitalconsumer.org too. Then put the ole "We need to stop this right away, send this to all of your friends" line, details about the bill, and urge people to contact their congressman.

      But this is true. Those other things aren't. There's no need to be sensational. You just have to tell the truth: they want total control of all you see and hear so that they can make you pay-per-use and so they can control new entrants into the marketplace.

      I especially enjoyed the part (from the NYT article) where CAMCORDERS will have to recognize digital watermarks. You see, they aren't concerned about piracy...they're concerned about COMPETITION and they want to have control over what you produce with your own camcorders/microphones/cameras ...so that you only get to release things if they're approved.

    2. Re:We need sensationalism by cyber-vandal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The public are not sheep, just badly informed by the media conglomerates. Perhaps you should try informing them instead of insulting them.

    3. Re:We need sensationalism by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Someone with a lot of literary skills...bastard liberal media companies...

      There's an old addage from the newspaper business which is very applicable here: Only a fool would start a publicity fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

      If you want the media companies back in line, unplug your television and start talking to people about something other than SouthPark for a change.

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    4. Re:We need sensationalism by Quimo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Individual people are smart. Its when you start trying to comunicate to them in large groups that that informing them becomes a problem. In this situation we need to use some sensationalism to inform them that there rights are being taken away. That being said how could we do this with most of the major media outlets under the thumb of the Corporations.

    5. Re:We need sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The public for the most part _are_ sheep.

    6. Re:We need sensationalism by MrZaius · · Score: 1

      Pretending indiference to the media would be counter-productive.

      If we didn't care about/care for what the media offered us, their paranoia and excessive controls would be irrelevant.

      If we stop using their product, why would they care if we bitch and whine about the controls? And why would Congress?

      There's no way that just the readers of /. can put large enough force against the govt and Hollywood through boycotting or ignoring these companies rather than continuing to buy the stuff and cry at the top of our lungs.

    7. Re:We need sensationalism by weave · · Score: 2
      There's an old addage from the newspaper business which is very applicable here: Only a fool would start a publicity fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

      Ironic, considering the source...

      If you want the media companies back in line, unplug your television and start talking to people about something other than SouthPark for a change.

      .... and start downloading your episodes from alt.binaries.southpark instead. That'll show em! :)

    8. Re:We need sensationalism by hagardtroll · · Score: 1

      The newspaper industry doesn't have the clought it used to. Advertising revenues and subscription penetration is down nationwide. I used to work in that industry. Believe me, they are as vulnerable as ever. No news story can have the impact that a viral email (Send this to 10 friends) can have.

      Unfortunately most viral emails are used to spread falsehoods and lies. Nowadays we have truthorfiction.com, etc. to help straighten that out.

      But by all means a well crafted insightful and inciteful email would do a lot to help the cause of consumer rights.

    9. Re:We need sensationalism by ethereal · · Score: 1

      Individual people aren't necessarily smart about technology issues, though - most people are willing to just take whatever Silicon Valley and Redmond give them, and be happy with with they got. These are people who can't set the clock on the VCR that you're saying won't be able to tape anything, remember? I think that you do have to have the sensationalism to get their attention, just like the nightly news has story leads like "A common household item could kill you. Details in a few minutes, but first the weather!". You have to get people hooked with "Congress is trying to stop you from taping Buffy" and then break the actual technology issue into bite-sized pieces.

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    10. Re:We need sensationalism by LatJoor · · Score: 1

      When treated individually, people are not sheep at all. However, when you consider mass trends, it becomes much easier to generalize them in this way. While people's individual decisions may be made thoughtfully, most people are not interested enough to make any decision at all about many things. Thus, the most natural thing to do is to just follow along with mass opinion on that issue. This is not hard to observe on a large scale. The statement "people are sheep" is not an insult, it's simply an observation about mass psychology.

    11. Re:We need sensationalism by Steve+B · · Score: 2
      Unfortunately most viral emails are used to spread falsehoods and lies. Nowadays we have truthorfiction.com, etc. to help straighten that out.


      That's why the message needs to be well-crafted with just enough sensationalism to catch on but solidly based on truth. That way, anyone sophisticated enough to check with a source like truthorfiction.com would find that the threat was real and learn more details about the issue.

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    12. Re:We need sensationalism by twofiftyfive · · Score: 1

      To a certain extent this is true. I love music and movies and want to buy cds and dvds, but not with the restrictions imposed by the DMCA and SSSCA.

      But even if I didn't care about that, these controls would not be irrelevant. Remember that the SSSCA would cripple all sorts of computing devices even when they're not being used to rip and burn.

    13. Re:We need sensationalism by MadAhab · · Score: 2
      Oh, they'll let you release things without approval. That is, if you can afford the $25K license fee built in to the price of release-grade equipment. But mostly they figure that independent artists won't be able to afford it and will get pirated like crazy.

      The irony is, pirates will be able to afford the release-grade equipment (even at black market prices) and will use it to continue churning out illegal copies.

      If you become popular outside the system anyway (what? popularity without marketing megabucks? impossible!), the RIAA/MPAA gang will offer to distribute your work under terms that make current artist contracts look wonderful. They'll just say "Hey, it's more than what you're getting from the pirates." The net result will be that independent artists lose a ton, the signed artists lose even more, and the official purveyors of culture cackle manaically while 10K whores massage them with gold-flecked oils.

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    14. Re:We need sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quit bleating and get back to drinking Pepsi and watching your Britney Spears video.

    15. Re:We need sensationalism by ghostlibrary · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Okay, here you go:

      Congress and Hollywood to make you pay

      Hollywood has gotten Congress to propose a law that will force you to have to buy new VCRs, CD players, and computers. If you keep your old ones, any new CDs or movies you buy won't work! If you buy a new one, any old CDs or movies won't work! Either way, we're in trouble! Also, forget about taking home videos-- you'll need to go to a professional place if you want to make copies for your folks. This little surprise is called SSSCA and is being slipped in by the hollywood movie moguls so they can make more $$$ and force us to buy the same stuff twice. Anyway, I'm passing this along to everyone I know, it'd be great if you did the same. I guess you could fax your congressman or complain at your local Best Buy on this.

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    16. Re:We need sensationalism by MrZaius · · Score: 1

      The controls are not irrelevant, but the voices of those who stop purchasing the crippled music becomes much less relevant

    17. Re:We need sensationalism by drzhivago · · Score: 1

      If enough people stop purchasing crippled music, wouldn't their voices become more relevant?

      Greg

    18. Re:We need sensationalism by volpe · · Score: 2


      Someone with a lot of literary skills needs to come up with some sort of alert that claims that
      those bastard liberal media companies and those
      ^^^^^^^
      liberals in Congress (I said sensationalist)
      ^^^^^^^^

      You misspelled "conservatives".

    19. Re:We need sensationalism by Condor7 · · Score: 1



      "A *person* is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

    20. Re:We need sensationalism by WNight · · Score: 2

      I used to explain how region controls were a slimy way of price fixing, how they enabled the studios control of who could see what, when, etc...

      Nobody cared. I mean, who cares if people in Europia, or Asica, or whatever those furign places are called, can watch? They don't speak English and can't watch "our" movies anyways.

      So I started explaining that overseas you can buy all of Friends on DVD, by season. Where here you can only get select episodes. But you can't simply order those DVDs from overseas, because players here are crippled to not play them. All because the studios want to sell the shows in syndication and as long as they can make money from that, they'll never be conveniently released.

      Now *that* got people bloody pissed off. They didn't care about anyone else's access to information. But they got fighting mad when someone would prevent them from watching Friends. Sheesh.

      But, it served the same purpose in the end. It got the "Average people" pissed off about it. Hopefully they'll pass that sense of outrage along.

      The lesson? Everyone cares about different things. Find someone's concerns and address those. They might not care about the "right" issues, but there's always a way to freak them out about it.

    21. Re:We need sensationalism by GooberToo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They are sheep if they go where they are led. Unless they make an actual effort to become educated, they are sheep.

      Like it or not, spinning it "PC" doesn't make it any less true.

      Fact is, most people are quite happy to take the spoon full they get from TV and newspapers, reguardless of the source; which is sometimes hidden or obscured.

    22. Re:We need sensationalism by Arcturax · · Score: 1

      Really? So what would happen when you panned the camera past say a poster for Star Wars... would it just leave a black hole in its place?

      Hmm but then Knowing Hollywood, I bet it will put a banner ad in there instead.

      Time to stock up on analog recording devices it seems...

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      --Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
    23. Re:We need sensationalism by raincrow · · Score: 1
      >Remember that the SSSCA would cripple all sorts of computing devices even when they're not being used to rip and burn. From the SSSCA:
      (b) Exception -- Subsection (a) does not apply to the offer for sale or provision of, or other trafficking in, any previously-owned interactive digital device, if such device was legally manufactured or imported, and sold, prior to the effective date of regulations adopted under section 104 and not subsequently modified in violation of subsection (a) or 103(a).
      IANAL, but this appears to say that any existing device, meaning the PC on your desk now and any device sold prior to the SSSCA becoming law (and it has not even been brought to committee yet) is exempt from the strictures. If that is the case, then I wonder if the SSSCA will not simply create an increase in the secondary markets for old computer hardware and unofficial support for old software. Also, I am still looking for evidence that adoption of the protections offered by the SSSCA is going to be mandatory for the claim and defense of copyright. If it isn't, then there's still the option to simply not play the corporate culture oligarchy's game. You can show independant publishers and artists that you're a willing and grateful audience for/participant in their work. You can vote with your attention and your money. You don't have to let the corporations define your culture for you.
    24. Re:We need sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The human being is a herd animal.

      When you tell a cow that it is a herd animal, the cow does not take offense.

      Why then does the human being take offense? Just because Pepsi Cola and The Gap says that he is an "individual"?

      There is no negative or positive value judgement in saying that people are like sheep. Stop assigning it one.

    25. Re:We need sensationalism by raincrow · · Score: 1

      >If enough people stop purchasing crippled music, wouldn't their voices become more relevant?

      They can become more relevant to the artists whose music *does* get purchased instead of the crippled release. That's the important corrollary to MrZaius' assertions. He's right -- the corporate oligarchy is not going to give a whit about the individual who opts out of their game. And that's fine by me, since I don't give a whit about them or their products, either. I don't like my culture under their terms.

      Corporate culture product is not the only game in town, though. For every person, artist or audience, who chooses to support culture outside the closed system the SSSCA is endemic of, the cultural artifacts in that system lose a little value. It's a small value, but it's still a loss. It may take ages for this loss to be noticed by the corporations. They may never notice it at all. But just because you've opted out of their system does not mean you have to lose anything. And you may have a whole other world to gain.

      But if you buy their wares *and* complain, I don't know how seriously their going to take that, either, unless you show them that you're not making idle threats. You'll need to show them conclusively that a big piece of their audience/revenue is actually going to carry through with a boycott. That kind of boycott requires a lot of energy that you're going to throw into their game, when you could throw that same energy into a separate game, and let them hang.

    26. Re:We need sensationalism by Cyno · · Score: 1


      Actually the idea that "people are sheep" is not a neutral statement. Intelligent creatures would not be capable of being herded up, instead moving together in one direction because it is the right direciton to go (each individual would choose that for themselves). But sheep allow themselves to be herded because the individuals do not think about which direction they want to go. Instead they follow the other sheep. And in our situation the sheep are herded by corporate media presented primarily over TV. Imagine what the US would be like if only movie industry quality educational material was broadcast over 600 channels. Then I bet they'd understand why relating them to sheep has negative connotations.

    27. Re:We need sensationalism by RAVasquez · · Score: 2

      Someone with a lot of literary skills needs to come up with some sort of alert that claims that those bastard liberal media companies and those liberals in Congress (I said sensationalist) are trying to take a way your right to record your TV shows by mandating that all future electronic devices contain copy protections to allow people who make shows to disable your ability to record them without paying for them.

      I don't see where liberalism comes into it. Certainly none of the leftist media types I know would condone putting the keys to the entertainment and tech industries in the hands of media cartels like Disney.

      What I'm really disappointed in is the alacrity with which Sen. Kerry and the other Democrats on Hollings' committee agreed to the outlandish claims put forward by the entertainment weasels. I didn't go for Ralph Nader's "Democrats and Republicans are the same" platform during the election. But the SSSCA hearings provided a real "They Live" moment for me, where I could see the invisible puppet strings from the entertainment industry.

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      --- Work, worry, consume, die. It's a wonderful life. -- Bill Griffith

    28. Re:We need sensationalism by weave · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I don't see where liberalism comes into it.

      It has nothing to do with it, of course. Sorry, subtle joke on my part. The best way to manipulate the weak is to claim them liberals are out to get you, control you, and ruin your life.

      It just gets my knickers in a twist when conservatives blame everything on liberals, and then make excuses for republicans. Truth be, they are all (both Republicans and Democrats) big-spending ready-bought politicians. The only difference is who they take money from and where they like to spend it.

    29. Re:We need sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Human beings are pack animals, like wolves, not herd animals like sheep.

      This is why you occaisionally have people torn to pieces by an angry mob of people, but even if someone was trampled by a herd of sheep it would be while the sheep were running away.

    30. Re:We need sensationalism by jafac · · Score: 2

      Good idea.
      I'd say - to raise a grassroots, you should go to your local audio/video electronics store, and tell them about all the revenue they're going to lose from blank tape and VCR sales. Have them hang a poster in their window.

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    31. Re:We need sensationalism by SamBeckett · · Score: 1

      Conservatives are for a smaller government; any new law passed effectively grants more control to the government, hence increasing its size. Therefore, he didn't mispell anything.

    32. Re:We need sensationalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This article would indicate the spelling is correct:

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/03/07/1622 02 &mode=thread

    33. Re:We need sensationalism by clone304 · · Score: 1

      "
      I didn't go for Ralph Nader's "Democrats and Republicans are the same" platform during the election.
      "

      That's not Ralph Nader's idea, that's the obvious truth. They are all entrenched mainstream politicians, and they all play the game. It's really more of a slight difference in style, and if they didn't separate off into "teams", they couldn't fool everyone with riduculous "partisan"
      antics.

      .

    34. Re:We need sensationalism by epeus · · Score: 2

      No we need honesty and clarity. These are tricky concepts to grasp, as you can tell from their clumsy analogies:

      Mr. Eisner said in an interview that it was "easy to encourage us to overlook the pirates when you're making the sword."

      So, the obvious solution is to pass a law requiring all swords to carry an automatic device to read the nametags on the person being stabbed, and magically make the blade disappear if they are not waering an approved 'stab me' nametag?

      "If someone figured out how to unlock the gas in the gas station, people would be outraged," Mr. Eisner added. "They wouldn't say to the oil industry, `You need a different business model.' "

      If someone worked out how to make gas from water using a chemical reaction, you would expect the oil industry to adopt it instead of passing a law against it so they can continue to spend millions drilling holes in the ground and storing highly explosive checicals every 10 blocks in our cities.

      But Mr. Chernin of the News Corporation suggested that matters might be different if the tables were turned. "Let's say I decide to broadcast on my network the code for how to make Intel chips or Microsoft software," he said. "I think they'd find a way to stop it."

      Yes, they'd sue you. They wouldn't lobby for a law making TV illegal. After all, Linux is being broadcast on the radio.

      My attempt at a clear exposition is as follows:
      An Open letter to Jack Valenti and Michael Eisner

      Jack, in your sneering Washington Post piece about copy protection, you refer to professors for whom '"innovation" is legalizing the breaking of protection codes'. Michael, in your testimony to congress you badgered an Intel exec until he told you that file copying can't be prevented, then told him he must prevent it anyway.

      As you are evidently impervious to logical discussion, let me tell you a story.

      This is the story of a rebel, a war hero, a persecuted homosexual, and a deep thinker. His life reads like the plot of a far-fetched movie, but if anyone fits your bogeyman image of professors who break code, it is Alan Turing.

      In 1936 Turing published a paper on theoretical mathematics, in which he described the Universal Turing machine. It was a simple mechanism that could read symbols from a tape, and write back different symbols or change the tape's direction. He showed that with this general purpose machine, you could simulate any special purpose computing machine. He had invented the idea of the programmable computer.

      Between 1938 and 1945, Turing worked in great secrecy on computing machines that broke codes. These were the first real computers ever made, and the codes they broke were those used by the German Wehrmacht. Without his work, it is very likely that Britain would have lost the War in Europe before Pearl Harbour.

      After the war, in 1950 Turing published other famous papers that laid the foundation for modern computing, and hence all the digital gadgetry that you would like to outlaw for us (though presumably you'd keep the computers you use to edit and create effects for your movies). Turing died in 1954 by biting into an apple he had previously poisoned.

      What does this story have to do with you?

      Turing's Universal Machine means that you cannot have a software or hardware protection scheme that is secure. Whatever scheme you come up with can be simulated by another computer. The computer industry are not opposing your bill because they want to encourage copying, or because they are bloody-minded, they are not opposing you because of your self serving rhetoric about rewarding artists (remember Peggy Lee, Michael?), they are opposing you because what you want is provably impossible. You can only succeed by making all Turing machines illegal.

      If Alan Turing had made an animated film involving a poisoned apple in 1936, it would still have copyright protection. He chose a different path, and gave the world the idea of the digital computer. I know whom I repect more.

      Feel free to mail this to your friends (wiatha link back to my website, please)

    35. Re:We need sensationalism by Grue · · Score: 1

      We also need to get the word out that these new copyright control mechanisms also increase the costs of every digital media device they buy. From camcorders to computers to VCRS.

      Essentially, they're taxing the creative technology companies who have brought all these great innovations to us. And we'll have to pay these taxes, even if all we want to do is record our kids graduation with our camcorder, and edit it on our computer at home.

      People would be more concerned, if we could distill what the effects of these laws are, and we also know how it harms us all. Like any speech, we must recognize our audience, and what motivates them.

      Sure, it's dealing with a more pragmatic side of the issue, but any additional argument against control of ideas is good.

      Josh

    36. Re:We need sensationalism by Winged+Cat · · Score: 2

      You misspelled "bought and paid for". ;)

  6. At least they have the first step down good by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We may be stupid but we're not idiotic." - Peter Chernin, president of the News Corporation.

    Step 1, Admit that you have a problem.

    1. Re:At least they have the first step down good by bpkri · · Score: 1

      Well - yes, a first, small step finally.

      Is this the first try at something like this? Or the first try to REALLY do something, something that MIGHT be of some use?
      Although i have my doubts - isn't it already too late? Many things have been discussed, copy protection, DMR already built into the hardware - is there any chance to stop it now?
      Well I hope for the best for us all :) Seems that europe is slowly heading down the same way. :(
      By the way - if I have the right to copy something, and am hindered in it... what would happen if I tried to fight for that right? Are there any stories about this having happened in the US or in Europe?

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      and as long as men die liberty will never perish!
    2. Re:At least they have the first step down good by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm sure that the content providers would say that you are only purchasing a "licence" to view the video or listen to the CD. If you don't agree to the terms of the "license", then don't purchase it.

    3. Re:At least they have the first step down good by blibbleblobble · · Score: 1

      And if you're buying a license to listen to the CD, it follows that you can make your own copies of it... just like microsoft CD/license separation.

    4. Re:At least they have the first step down good by Alsee · · Score: 2

      DMR

      Hmmm, I think I like that one :)
      That would be Digitally Managed Rights! BINGO!

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  7. The FlopBox is Irrelevant by ihoppancakes · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Because it's not news. The flopbox has utterly failed in Japan. The worst console launch ever. The flopbox is wasting away in last place in the US on MS payouts to no name companies with all the major console houses either with no plans for future product for it or at most treating it as a cheap porting platform after the PS2 versions of their games have shipped. The flopbox is irrelevant. Or no more relevant than the Dreamcast is now. The PS2 and GameCube are all us in the console biz care about.

    1. Re:The FlopBox is Irrelevant by mirko · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you go to yahoogroups.com, you sometime get a popup window with a contest to win an xbox...
      End on contest is on feb. 15th :-D
      I hope their software are not so outdated.
      I heard one need to *buy* a remote control to use the XBox integrated DVD !?
      Are they crazy or what ?
      So, well, I understand this box is not even worth talking about.

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  8. Well by Salsaman · · Score: 1

    The ironic thing was, I was scanning a friend's network because he asked me to check for vulnerabilities in it.

    1. Re:Well by hagardtroll · · Score: 1

      Most 'Acceptable Use Policies' allow port scanning, or just about anything on a network with the PERMISSION of the scanned. If you really did have permission, than it wouldn't be a violation. If your ISP doesn't allow scanning by permission, then they are stupid.

    2. Re:Well by Silver222 · · Score: 2, Funny
      The ironic thing was, I was scanning a friend's network because he asked me to check for vulnerabilities in it.

      I understand. Just last week, I did the same sort of thing. Went to the doctor and mentioned to him that a friend of mine has a burning sensation when he urinates. Funny thing is, the prescription is in my name.

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      "It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times." Bill Hicks
    3. Re:Well by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Well, if i find someone i dont' know port scanned me, i usually do the same back. Only fair i think.

  9. Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by snkline · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But Mr. Chernin of the News Corporation suggested that matters might be different if the tables were turned. "Let's say I decide to broadcast on my network the code for how to make Intel chips or Microsoft software," he said. "I think they'd find a way to stop it."
    I don't think so. Intel and Microsoft wouldn't do anything if News Corp. told people how to make a microprocessor or a word processor. Now if they somehow got ahold of MS code and boadcast it, well that would be illegal now. What is the difference. The fact that computers can be used illegally does not mean those companies are facilitating it, whereas CNN broadcasting MS code IS facilitating illegal activity.
    1. Re:Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by alkali · · Score: 1

      Even worse, imagine if the US Patent & Trademark Office kept detailed descriptions of patented Intel technologies in its public records.

    2. Re:Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by LatJoor · · Score: 1

      The fact that computers can be used illegally does not mean those companies are facilitating it, whereas CNN broadcasting MS code IS facilitating illegal activity.


      The problem is not that "CNN broadcasting MS code" would be "facilitating" illegal activity. In fact, it would BE illegal activity. That's just the point. Actually committing an illegal act (i.e. giving away someone else's "IP") is different from simply providing tools that could be used to do so.
    3. Re:Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by ickle_matt · · Score: 1

      Of course we can only have innovation if the innovaters get all the money. After all, imagine all the fuss IBM would have kicked up if some upstart company had come along and reverse-engineered their BIOS for the original PC

      Ah... Hang on...

    4. Re:Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by ichimunki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow. First Jack Valenti accuses most internet users of being thieves. Next News Corp accuses (in a sideways fashion, of course) Intel and Microsoft of broadcasting works to which they had no right? When will the lies stop? If these people can't be trusted to tell the truth in this simple matter, how can they be trusted to tell us about important matters, like wars and campaigns and other public policy issues?

      Intel and Microsoft may be guilty of other crimes, but this charge, even as an imaginary "Let's say" scenario, is spurious and dangerous! Intel and Microsoft aren't broadcasting anything that I'm aware of. The media themselves are the ones doing the broadcasting and a very very small minority of their customers take advantage of the fact that information is very difficult to fence in.

      MPAA, I'm very sorry your major members are having trouble selling high speed internet connections to further increase your profits on wiring you've already laid (in spite of the fact that cable sales seem quite brisk). I'm also very sorry that you are afraid of publishing material over the net without additional protections that your material has not enjoyed at any point in history. If you don't like it, keep your content in the vault and see how well it sells there. Or here's an idea. Simply release it on video tape and only broadcast it over analog signals-- most of us have been getting along just fine on those two technologies for years.

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    5. Re:Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      ^^^^^^^^mod this up

    6. Re:Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by snkline · · Score: 1

      Yup, thats why I used MS code as an example. Now if News Corp. actually BUILT a processor with those patented processes and designs..... That'd show those pirate-loving Intel execs!

    7. Re:Broadcasting Intel Design Secrets! by snkline · · Score: 1

      Gahh! I wrote that after a whole night of writing a paper, to little sleep to get my point across coherently. I meant of course that it is illegal, and in addition it facilitates illegal activity. Also a point I thought of after making my intial post was, since the broadcasting companies COULD use their equipment to do such a thing, what would the RIAA/MPAA say if software companies wanted a law that would require that the recording devices, and data transmission networks they used to verify they were not sending copyright infringing material. I can't see any real difference in terms of what they are asking.

      Then again, I havn't slept yet so maybe there is a difference.

      Zzzzzzzzzzz

  10. Add to the list... by jlower · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the story...

    If you want to preserve both the music and movies we enjoy, and your rights to use them freely, there are several things you can do. First, stop stealing music online, and stop condoning the practice. Second, boycott copy-protected CDs. Third, start paying attention to the coming fight over copy-protection, and speak up for your rights as a consumer.

    These are all well and good but the fact is, a vast majority of consumers aren't even aware of the problem or the proposed solutions working their way through Congress. They won't know a thing about this until the mad rush is on to purchase the last few non-DRM protected PC's.

    So, I would add - Fourth, Tell everyone else about these three steps! Tell your parents, your siblings, your cow-orkers, the people in line next to you at the store, and so on. Put blurbs on your web pages and yak it up the other customers at the video/music stores.

    As large as the /. community seems to be, it is insignificant to the people pushing and passing the new laws. Everyone needs to know, everyone needs to complain. We are the ones who know, we are the ones who need to shout from the rooftops.

    1. Re:Add to the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Tell your parents, your siblings, your cow-orkers..."

      What the hell is a cow-orker? And why/how would one ork a cow, anyway?

    2. Re:Add to the list... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      And why/how would one ork a cow, anyway?
      Ask Robin Williams, that sounds like it's up his alley ...
  11. Bill of Rights by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Don't know if this will get Slashed, so here it is:

    Bill of Rights, as found at http://www.digitalconsumer.org/bill.html

    1. Users have the right to "time-shift" content that they have legally acquired.

    This gives you the right to record video or audio for later viewing or listening. For example, you can use a VCR to record a TV show and play it back later.

    2. Users have the right to "space-shift" content that they have legally acquired.

    This gives you the right to use your content in different places (as long as each use is personal and non-commercial). For example, you can copy a CD to a portable music player so that you can listen to the songs while you're jogging.

    3. Users have the right to make backup copies of their content.

    This gives you the right to make archival copies to be used in the event that your original copies are destroyed.

    4. Users have the right to use legally acquired content on the platform of their choice.

    This gives you the right to listen to music on your Rio, to watch TV on your iMac, and to view DVDs on your Linux computer.

    5. Users have the right to translate legally acquired content into comparable formats.

    This gives you the right to modify content in order to make it more usable. For example, a blind person can modify an electronic book so that the content can be read out loud.

    6. Users have the right to use technology in order to achieve the rights previously mentioned.

    This last right guarantees your ability to exercise your other rights. Certain recent copyright laws have paradoxical loopholes that claim to grant certain rights but then criminalize all technologies that could allow you to exercise those rights. In contrast, this Bill of Rights states that no technological barriers can deprive you of your other fair use rights.

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    1. Re:Bill of Rights by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 3, Interesting
      There's one right missing from this list; the right to be left alone.

      I don't have cable or a satellite dish, so I don't watch much TV.

      I don't have broadband so I'm not one of the people downloading movies or MP3's off the Internet.

      I don't own a DVD player, and while I do own a VCR, I don't use it to record programs off the air; instead it plays Lion King and Toy Story videos to keep the kids off my back.

      I haven't bought a (music) CD in years, I don't own an MP3 player or even a writable CD drive.

      While I admit I'm not the best customer of the audio/video content industries, I'm not a pirate in any sense of the term. I don't even exercise many of the rights that the content industries themselves grant that I have. I understand the technologies, and could probably become one, but that stuff just doesn't interest me. In short, I'm just not equipped to be a pirate.

      But I do work with computers, and I am concerned about the effects that legislation like the DMCA and the SSSCA will have on me directly.

      I guess I need to go out and buy a few CD's so I can begin to boycott them, eh? ;-)

      The MPAA and the RIAA should view this as a shot across their bow; they are motivating people who otherwise couldn't care less and making enemies of people who would hapilly leave them alone. This is not a wise tactic.

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    2. Re:Bill of Rights by grahamm · · Score: 1

      #2 would also outlaw DVD region coding. So that you would be able to purchase a DVD while on vacation or business trip (to where is currently a different region) and view it on your return.

    3. Re:Bill of Rights by Steve525 · · Score: 2, Informative

      It seems that this "Bill of Rights" doesn't include anything which isn't already covered by "fair-use" doctrine. This isn't a bad thing. Indeed, in the current climate we need to remind our lawmakers that they shouldn't be giving the media producers the ability to walk all over our fair use rights.

      I'm not opposed to the media producers trying to copy protect their content. I'm not even necessarily opposed to legislation that might help them do it. (such as a modified DMCA- the SSSCA on the other hand is pure nonsense). However, I am opposed to the fact that they've been able to tie copy protection in with fair-use steeling mechanisms, effectively killing the ability to exercise fair-use.

      Strangely enough, if our legal system worked the way it is supposed to, we wouldn't need to fight to keep fair use alive. Hopefully this example will explain why I say this...

      If I currently wanted to sell a way to rip DVD's I could claim my product has fair use reasons for existing. (such as back-ups and platform shifting). If the media producers gave us the ability exercise as much fair use as possible while maintaining copy protection, there would go my defense. The media producers would be left with a choice. If they give consumers their rights, the law will protect their copy protection. If they stomp all over fair use, they're on their own.

      However, in the current climate, copy protection trumps fair use. The media producers get to win it all. So, perhaps we do need this "Bill of Rights"

    4. Re:Bill of Rights by martyn+s · · Score: 1

      Technically, only #7 would outlaw DVD region encoding. The first six don't specify how easy it should be to exercise those rights, only that we can't be prosecuted for doing so.

    5. Re:Bill of Rights by mpe · · Score: 2

      6. Users have the right to use technology in order to achieve the rights previously mentioned.

      You need to somehow make it clear that this applies to any method of doing these things. Regardless of if the technology dates from 1850 or 2850... What makes things such as the DMCA and SSSCA especially bad laws is that they are over concerned with fiddling technical details of current technology. A good law concerns itself only with the "what" rather than the "how".

  12. I'm There! by ScumBiker · · Score: 2

    I for one really like this idea. My intentions are to fully support the organization and it's idea of a consumer bill of rights. We've needed something like this for a long time. Who the hell does Hollywood think they are, standing in the way of progress? The sorid history of Hollywoods past tells us a lot about the enemy. Think about the "starlet pools" they used to keep around (not that I'd mind diving in...) for "casting". Even in the '30s and '40s they were hosing people with shitty contracts. The music industry was actually worse back then than Hollywood. How can we expect them to change now, especially since we are literally threatening their existence. Of course they're going to fight! All I can really say is, I hope we can win, because the future looks pretty bleak, what with the RIAA Stormtroopers and the MPAA KGB knocking on our doors, demanding we turn our equipment over.

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  13. Good job in aiming this at the general public by Blue23 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Reading the story and the points, they seem very much aimed at getting the general public interested, as opposed to the smaller band of people currently involved who understand the effects of the DMCA and SSSCA. The language they use and what they are lobbying for are specifically things that consumers understand and want, as opposed to the more esoteric and ideal-oriented problems most of the /. crowd can understand and has been rallying against.

    =Blue(23)

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  14. the quote was in the NYTimes by K7001 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    for those without NYTimes accts:

    Jonathan Zittrain, an assistant law professor at Harvard, pointed out in a recent New York Times editorial that what Eisner's really saying is that the most dangerous threat to his industry is the American consumer. If that's really the case, what Eisner needs to do is rethink his business model rather than look for a way to outsmart his customers.

    which really sums it up for me

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    1. Re:the quote was in the NYTimes by Alsee · · Score: 2

      for those without NYTimes accts

      Try username gorwell1984 password gorwell1984

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  15. Death to Real Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The right to translate content into different formats.

    Gimme that ol' MPEG format,
    gimme that ol' MPEG format,
    gimme that ol' MPEG format...
    It's good enough for me.

  16. Without copyright protection we will change ... by RNG · · Score: 2
    Without copyright protection we will change our business model


    And how exactly is this is bad? First of all, no corporation on earth has a guarantee that their business model will remain valid. To assume so, is a guarantee of (future) failure.


    Given the quality and (lack of) originality of most the stuff that comes out of major studios, I would be more than happy for them to change their business model. Maybe they could actually produce something I wanted! Then again, maybe their new business model will be to stop producing anything at all. This will allow them to control distribution and prevent piracy :-)

    1. Re:Without copyright protection we will change ... by swb · · Score: 2

      First of all, no corporation on earth has a guarantee that their business model will remain valid.

      ...In an open and fair market.

      Which is why Media Interests have purchased the best legislation that they can that enshrines their business models and profitability in laws that ensure that their business models and organization don't become invalidated by changing technology.

      This seems to be an unfortunate trend everywhere -- once you get some measure of success, you use your money to purchase the force of law to guarantee your success into the future.

    2. Re:Without copyright protection we will change ... by Frequanaut · · Score: 1

      "First of all, no corporation on earth has a guarantee that their business model will remain valid."

      Well, unless your the US steel industry or one of the Baby bells or the automotive industry or the defense industry or ...

      Second of all, your first of all is wrong if you have enough money for congress are deemed critical to the infrastructure of the country.

    3. Re:Without copyright protection we will change ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Be sure to point out to Congress and your friends and neighbors the fallacy in this argument.

      Namely, that they've got copyright protection now. The SSSCA and the "compromises" we are supposed to rush to embrace to avoid it are all about police-state type enforcement, and infringement on the rights the public has chosen to reserve for itself.

  17. Copy of the Rights by ScumBiker · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Here's a copy of the Bill of Rights they're touting:

    1. Users have the right to "time-shift" content that they have legally acquired.

    This gives you the right to record video or audio for later viewing or listening. For example, you can use a VCR to record a TV show and play it back later.

    2. Users have the right to "space-shift" content that they have legally acquired..

    This gives you the right to use your content in different places (as long as each use is personal and non-commercial). For example, you can copy a CD to a portable music player so that you can listen to the songs while you're jogging.

    3. Users have the right to make backup copies of their content...

    This gives you the right to make archival copies to be used in the event that your original copies are destroyed.

    4. Users have the right to use legally acquired content on the platform of their choice....

    This gives you the right to listen to music on your Rio, to watch TV on your iMac, and to view DVDs on your Linux computer.

    5. Users have the right to translate legally acquired content into comparable formats.

    This gives you the right to modify content in order to make it more usable. For example, a blind person can modify an electronic book so that the content can be read out loud.

    6. Users have the right to use technology in order to achieve the rights previously mentioned..

    This last right guarantees your ability to exercise your other rights. Certain recent copyright laws have paradoxical loopholes that claim to grant certain rights but then criminalize all technologies that could allow you to exercise those rights. In contrast, this Bill of Rights states that no technological barriers can deprive you of your other fair use rights.

    This is one of the most sensible things I've seen online for quite a while.

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    1. Re:Copy of the Rights by hyphz · · Score: 1

      It isn't.

      We immediately have a big problem that it continues to use the word "right".

      Unfortunately, "rights" legally are rather wussy. Basically, they mean that nobody can take legal action against you for doing these things. It does not oblige them to make it possible (or easy) for you to do them.

      What we actually need, generally, is a law like this:

      "Any person or company which manufactures a technological device which grants a user access to intellectual property content, must include functionality allowing the user to perform upon that content, any and all actions which may be legal."

    2. Re:Copy of the Rights by Steve+B · · Score: 3, Insightful
      What we actually need, generally, is a law like this:

      "Any person or company which manufactures a technological device which grants a user access to intellectual property content, must include functionality allowing the user to perform upon that content, any and all actions which may be legal."


      You need to rethink this a bit. Your proposal as written would make it illegal to produce a playback device that didn't include a full range of copying and editing functions.

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    3. Re:Copy of the Rights by hyphz · · Score: 1

      > What we actually need, generally, is a law like
      > this:
      > "Any person or company which manufactures a
      > technological device which grants a user access
      > to intellectual property content, must include
      > functionality allowing the user to perform upon
      > that content, any and all actions which may be
      > legal."
      > You need to rethink this a bit. Your proposal
      > as written would make it illegal to produce a
      > playback device that didn't include a full
      > range of copying and editing functions.

      The precise wording isn't really my concern; I hope the point I was trying to make stands without it. The wording is very hard to get right: you can't refer to 'preventing' or 'stopping' legal use of material, because not implementing the use isn't considered either of these.

      (Oh, and what's so bad about banning the sale of pure playback hardware? It would certainly generate a very interesting market. The price of the editing/copying hardware would be pushed down by demand and sponsorship (IP creators would sponsor the production of the devices, so that consumers could afford them and then buy stuff to play back on them from the IP firms). The problem is that if the hypothetical law allowed some hardware to be made that lacked these functions, the manufacturers could get around it: sell the crippled hardware that can't do fair use at $100, sell the fully functional hardware at $10000000, and argue that they have kept the law because hardware capable of performing the functions *is* available on the market.)

    4. Re:Copy of the Rights by Alsee · · Score: 2

      The problem is that if the hypothetical law allowed some hardware to be made that lacked these functions, the manufacturers could get around it: sell the crippled hardware

      Manufacturers selling crippled hardware is not a problem. The problem is if another manufacturer is not allowed to sell non-crippled hardware.

      Store manager: "Hmmm, that's odd. These Acme VCR's are flying off the shelves, but the MPAA VCR's without record buttons don't seem to be selling very well. Let's stock more MPAA VCR's."

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    5. Re:Copy of the Rights by hyphz · · Score: 1

      > Manufacturers selling crippled hardware is not
      > a problem. The problem is if another
      > manufacturer is not allowed to sell non-
      > crippled hardware.

      It need not be as simple as "not allowed", though. Suppose the stream in question is encrypted. The licensor of the algorithm could license the decryptor for $10 a unit and the encryptor for $10000 a unit. ALL manufacturers will have to bear these costs, and this will guarantee that the versions allowing editing and creation will remain out of reach of most consumers.

      It is also worth noting that it's not quite compete. Leaving a record button off the VCR would be noticed, but things like allowing fair use probably AREN'T noticed or cared about by many consumers.

      On the other hand, if you bar the sale of pure playback devices, then all hardware sold will need to contain the encryptor and decryptor. If the algorithm licensors jack up the price, the public won't be able to buy the machines and thus won't be able to play the media and thus the media companies won't sell any.

  18. Legally acquired? by SkyLeach · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you tag Legally acquired onto the end of each line then all the RIA and MPAA have to do is make it illegal to acquire the media without waving that right. Rights are waved all the time in agreements.

    Also, all they have to do is make it illegal to acquire video via a recording device to defeat the space-shift/time-shift scenario.

    I think the bill should make it illegal to require that a person give up any rights to consume media. Of course it would be ignored just like the fact that it is illegal to *require* a person to give you their SSN, but then the company isn't *required* to give you a loan unless you do either...

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    1. Re:Legally acquired? by grid+geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rights are waved all the time in agreements.

      The British system is better, consumers are not allowed to give up their statutory rights even if they sign an agreement, if it is to their detriment. e.g. If you have to sign a contract stating you will not rip a cd to mp3 after purchasing it the company couldn't sue you if you did as you have the right to back up digital media for personel use. Its actually more likely the record company would be investigated for monopoly/anti-trust practices. But then we limit the amount of money politicians can spend and recieve. 1 UK National election costs less than a single Senate seat. it

      would be ignored just like the fact that it is illegal to *require* a person to give you their SSN

      This would also be illegal in the UK under the data protection act, the only people who can request it are employers (since we generally pay tax at source rather than have to do our own accounts). Businesses here can only get the mimimum data they need and you can refuse to divulge anything else e.g. travel passes can include address detail in case they are lost (and the company likes you to fill this in for a variety of reasons); however, you don't have to even supply the companys with your real name providing you pay upfront rather than in arrears.

    2. Re:Legally acquired? by ethereal · · Score: 1

      There are some rights that you can't waive, though - for example, you can't really sell yourself into slavery in the U.S. even if you wanted to. Such a waiver would not be upheld by the courts. So this is sort of a case like EULAs; we just need the courts to clarify that you really can't waive such a right, so any agreements based on such a waiver are void.

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    3. Re:Legally acquired? by hyphz · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, the UK is missing a BIG piece of the jigsaw: unlike the US, the UK does *not* have any legislation which says that copies made in the course of using something (copy of computer program in memory for execution, temporary copy of dvd/cd stream for decompression, etc.) are protected from counting as copyright violations.

      This means that the licences for software and similar are a lot harder binding.

    4. Re:Legally acquired? by mpe · · Score: 2

      Businesses here can only get the mimimum data they need and you can refuse to divulge anything else e.g. travel passes can include address detail in case they are lost (and the company likes you to fill this in for a variety of reasons); however, you don't have to even supply the companys with your real name providing you pay upfront rather than in arrears.

      So long as you are not enguaging in fraud it is perfectly legal to give any name you like, including a different name to anyone you deal with.

    5. Re:Legally acquired? by mpe · · Score: 2

      There are some rights that you can't waive, though - for example, you can't really sell yourself into slavery in the U.S. even if you wanted to. Such a waiver would not be upheld by the courts. So this is sort of a case like EULAs; we just need the courts to clarify that you really can't waive such a right, so any agreements based on such a waiver are void.

      It's better to have a populace aware of their rights. Otherwise it's quite possible for someone to be lied to and intimidated into doing things by the threat of a lawsuit (which if it ever took place would be more risky for the plaintiff than the defendant...)

    6. Re:Legally acquired? by ethereal · · Score: 1

      Definitely. But just because people are ignorant of their rights, shouldn't mean that they can forfeit them forever.

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    7. Re:Legally acquired? by mwa · · Score: 2
      The fact that something has a license does not mean it's licensed. If the transaction is conducted like a sale, it's a sale.


      (Note: The actual text of the Adobe V. Softman decision seems to have been remove the CA courts site. If anyone know where it is, please post a link.

    8. Re:Legally acquired? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say they do force you to waive your right. No problem. By doing that they've committed copyright abuse and can lose control of ALL their copywritten material.

      Go ahead, hit me. I dare you.

  19. What a shame by Salsaman · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Microsoft: if you punish us, we will have to stop producing Windows


    News Corp: without copyrights, we'll have to change our business model


    I feel so sorry for all these 'poor' companies...

    1. Re:What a shame by ethereal · · Score: 1

      I have this overwhelming urge to take them up on the deal. Too bad my state attorney general is a big wuss :)

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  20. Needs an addition by Zot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    7. The rights previously mentioned cannot be hampered by technology.

    1. Re:Needs an addition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Too specific. Try this:

      "Exercise of the aforementioned rights by the consumer shall not be prohibited or impeded by any technological, legal, or other measure, nor shall the means to exercise said rights be denied or prohibited by any government, corporation, or other entity."

    2. Re:Needs an addition by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 2

      No, it just cannot be hampered by government intervention. Valenti and Rosen can try and DRM or CD-key everything in sight but under no circumstances are they to have the power of law on their side. If I can beat it, I am legally allowed to do so.

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    3. Re:Needs an addition by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 1

      No, it just cannot be hampered by government intervention. Valenti and Rosen can try and DRM or CD-key everything in sight but under no circumstances are they to have the power of law on their side. If I can beat it, I am legally allowed to do so AND publish my method for doing so...

    4. Re:Needs an addition by Dyolf+Knip · · Score: 2
      If I can beat it, I am legally allowed to do so

      AND publish my method for doing so...

      Yeah, that too. Thanks.

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    5. Re:Needs an addition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8. The rights cannot be revoked by other law or contracts.

    6. Re:Needs an addition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8. Users may make, contract to have made, or purchase any such device or software required to realise these rights

  21. Donations? by raygundan · · Score: 2

    Sounds good to me. I was all ready to send 'em some cash, but surprisingly, I couldn't find a donations page. I suppose I'll just have to mail a check the old-fashioned way.

    I certainly hope they succeed. This is precisely the sort of effort I have been wishing the EFF would take, but they seem to concentrate solely on 'defensive' measures. (defending people who are accused under silly tech laws rather than pressing for good tech laws)

    1. Re:Donations? by alkali · · Score: 1

      It's a business group, not a consumer group, notwithstanding the name.

    2. Re:Donations? by RandomPeon · · Score: 2

      The EFF would lose it's nonprofit status if it started actively lobbying Congress. This happened to the Christian Coalition a few years back, which promptly spun off it's lobbying operation. Conservative activist organizations run into this problem quite a bit. They tend to split in half, with the original group staying out of direct lobbying, and the new group doing the lobbying. Ideally the EFF would do the same thing.

  22. Definitely try it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However, we may be facing a problem far greater. A flaw in our society that runs right to the core, which leads to an end-game of total and unrecoverable corruption.

    Total corruption you say? Consider this. At this point in history, the Bill of Rights is considered passe by even the citizens it protects. For day to day life, much of it no longers exists already. 1st,2nd,4th and others, are on their way out in a real way.

    I'm at a loss for words as how to summerize. Maybe "The wheel is still turning, but the hamster is dead." I think that works, because most people continue to think that things are as good as they ever were, and keep bumbling along smiling, watching their sitcoms, and sports programs, and keeping their mouths shut and playing along like good little boys and girls.

    1. Re:Definitely try it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to reply to my own post. But here's something that crystallizes the thing abhout the wheel turning and the hamster is dead.

      How many cars did you see driving around with those made-in-China flags?
      that's like a macabre display of the living dead. Unthinking zombies who survive on nothing but symbolism.

  23. My own submission by Gabrill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Included is my submission to the effort 8) Corporations may be the noisiest and most money throwing lobbyests around, but please don't mistake that for the best interests of Americans. I've heard a lot of arguements that say anything that makes a large corporation more money is in the best interest of the 'economy'. Please don't let the 'economy' (ceo pocketbooks) supercede my basic rights to use the media I buy in legal ways. Please don't make me buy 5 different media players, each with their own license, to install in my car when one can be translated to and save me space and electricity. Currently I have 3 different mediums in my living room. A computer to play recorded shows via an All-In-Wonder, a VCR deck to play old tapes, and an X-Box to play DVD's. The computer makes recording easier with the Guide+ software. If licensing on media wasn't so ludicrous I could archive my poor VHS collection to a computer format on cd and save these aging but precious copies that I rightfully paid for. I'm afraid that this will soon be illegal, and yes undo-able with new features that take macrovision and apply similar features to any copying media. It is a ploy to force consumers to re-buy their entire media library as the old one degrades past useability. Corporations will say the the interests of the 'economy' require this, but they are merely criminalizing the restoration and preservation of our own bought and paid for media. And as well I have read and agree with the form letter which follows: As a constituent and an ardent consumer of digital media, I write today to urge you to support a Consumer Technology Bill of Rights, and to express my concerns about the recent trend toward allowing one-sided copyright laws to eliminate my Fair Use rights. Historically, our country has enjoyed a balance between the rights of copyright holders and the rights of citizens who legally acquire copyrighted works. Generally speaking, rights holders have the exclusive right to distribute and profit from artistic works. Consumers like me who legally acquire these works are free to use them in most noncommercial ways. Unfortunately, this balance has shifted dramatically in recent years, much to the detriment of consumers. To prevent further erosion of my rights, I would like to add my voice to DigitalConsumer.org in calling for a "consumer technology bill of rights". It is simply an attempt to assert positively the public's personal use rights. These rights are not new; they are historic rights granted in previous legislation and court rulings that have over the last four years been whittled away. Under the guise of "preventing illegal copying" I believe Hollywood is vilifying their customers - people like me - and using the legislative process to create new lines of business at my expense. Their goal is to create a legal system that takes away my long-cherished personal use rights and then to charge me an additional fee to regain those rights! Copy protection, especially to prevent overseas piracy for illicit sale, is an important issue. But before Congress considers yet another change in the law at the behest of the copyright holders, I urge you in the strongest possible terms to protect my Fair Use rights. Thank you very much for your attention to this important matter. Sincerely, Justin Mahn

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  24. Endorse this by bpb213 · · Score: 1

    DigitalConsumer.org needs some sort of donation program or something. Hollywood needs to be fought with money, and not just words. we need cable advertisements, news advertisements, movie preview ads? ;) Hollywood can reach many millions of people, we need that ability too. I dont want to look forward to a tommorow when i cant build a athalon 7 system because by then hollywood had mandated to congress that even the processor should enforce DRM (yeah, i know thats impossible anyway, but read the analogy)

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  25. A suggestion by Windcatcher · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course the major reason all of this is happening is piracy. I submit that piracy isn't the cause of the problem, but a reaction to the fact that content simnply costs too much. We all know what happens when you are a content producer (e.g. musician, writer, software producer): to get your product distributed, you have to sign a contract with a distributor that grants them exclusive rights and lets them have the lion's share of the revenue. Distributors all consider this standard, and they also know that content producers have no choice but to to acquiesce. Anyone following the Bioware/Interplay fiasco knows what the game software industry is like--about the only way for a content producer to make any money anymore is to find a buyer for their company. It's the same with books and music. Ultimately the problem is that distributors with exclusive agreements are local monopolies, with the ability to charge a price far above where the supply and demand curves meet. The result is either abstention from buying their products or piracy. If music CDs cost $100 a piece, let's face it--NO ONE would buy them legitimately. At $22 a piece the effect is the same, just not as severe. My suggestion is to CHANGE CONTRACT LAW. Exclusive distribution arrangements and incentives should be classified as anti-competitive and make illegal. The incentive, from a content producer's standpoint, should always be in the direction of more distributors. Smaller distributors should be able to cut costs and undercut their competition by offering a producer's product to the consumer at a better price, thus garnering greater sales and revenue for the producer and themselves. Some distributors will survive, but the ones that don't suddenly start paying attention to their cost-revenue curves won't--just like in any other industry. The only real danger would be if distributors tacitly agreed not to "go after" each other's clients, but I feel that any distributor that didn't take every aggressive measure to undercut its competitors would quickly find itself sued by its stockholders. Greed will always be there, the trick is to make it work FOR the consumer instead of against it.

    1. Re:A suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, with the internet, the artist no longer needs any such contract (and many have already cottoned onto this fact...) - The artists themselves become the manufacturer and distributor of their work.

      There are still issues of publicity and so on, but tese are not insurmountable if the artist themselves take charge of their own destiny.

  26. A good opportunity as any....... by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    To address the myraid of issues concerning consumers' rights in the modern age. Digital copyrights are an obvious issue, with the whole Napster/RIAA/P2P stuff that's going on these days. And privacy is another one -- I would argue that all email lists should be opt-in, so that consumers can explicitly choose who has the right to contact them. Of course, I doubt that would ever fly -- spam has existing in snail format far longer than the electronic version has, so there's probably not enough reason there to limit it.

    I also think this would be a perfect time to nail Microsoft's shoes to the ground, in terms of how they bundle new modules into every subsequent release of their operating system. Their most recent gripe is that the OS is so closely bound to each of its (formerly standalone) components, it would ruin the OS if they had to split it up. I think it should be every consumer's unalienable right to be able to select which pieces of discrete functionality exist on their computer. Every other softwar manufacturer on the planet has an uninstaller program to go along with their install -- why should Microsoft be any different?! If they want to go ahead and bundle their stuff together, that's fine -- but they would also have to design it in such a way that I could remove Internet Explorer or Windows Media Player, if I so chose.

    Finally, I think that spyware should be made illegal -- or, at the very least, every installer of spyware should come with a simpified explanation of what information will be transmitted to where, under what conditions, and for what use. Violating those rules should be grounds for stiff penalties and the purging of all offending information -- so if a company sells data to a 3rd party without the consent of the user, A) they're liable for it and B) the company which obtained that information is obligated to erase it. Hell, make it a telescoping fine, for repeat offenders -- first infraction, $xxx per violation; second offense, $x,xxx per violation; etc.

    But of course, all this is but a pipe dream -- the very thought of our representatives in this country siding with the people, and not Big Business, is laughable at best. Or do we need to look any further than the recent decision to postpone requiring the auto industry to clean up its act?

  27. high quality recordings by wiredog · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Unless you're an audiophile do you care how much better the sound quality could be? How many people find MP3 to be Good Enough(TM)?

    I usually listen to music in the car. Between road noise, wind noise (especially in summer when the windows are down), and engine noise the sound quality is never going to be that good anyway.

    1. Re:high quality recordings by Saib0t · · Score: 1
      How many people find MP3 to be Good Enough(TM)?

      I usually listen to music in the car. Between road noise, wind noise (especially in summer when the windows are down), and engine noise the sound quality is never going to be that good anyway

      Just because you listen to music in a noisy environment doesn't mean others do too.

      Maybe you found audio casettes to be "Good Enough(TM)" but do you still listen to them now that there are CDs?
      How many people found their EGA cards to be good enough back in the days. maybe for you "low quality is good enough", but there are lots of people out there who want high quality stuff if they have a way to get it.

      Can you imagine if people sent telco companies letters saying "no need to invest in DSL, I only read emails anyway so a 9600 modem is good enough". If there's a demand for it, then they should go for it and there IS a demand for high quality sound, if I am to judge only by the results of the last NAMM show.

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    2. Re:high quality recordings by Apreche · · Score: 4, Interesting

      if you get a pioneer car stereo it will be.
      People find mp3 good enough because they dont' realize there's a difference. I did a presentation for professional communications on CDex, the little window program that rips mp3s. I ripped a 128, a 320, and a VBR. I played the same 5 second clip from each version, and then from the CD, everyone was shocked and amazed, they didn't realize that mp3 was lossy. Later 3 of them told me that they started to replace all their low rate mp3s with 320s. People do want higher quality, you just have to make them realize it.
      The public wants the same things that we want. They just need to be shown.

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    3. Re:high quality recordings by GooberToo · · Score: 2

      Except that there has been several double-blind tests using people's own ultra high end audio equipment that listen to classical (said to be the best for true audiophiles to hear "issues" -- I'll take their word for it) which had difficulty hearing the difference. Well, that's not exactly true, I should say, they had trouble picking out the orginal recording even though they could hear differences. Funny thing is, "best" is often not truely measurable...thus you don't have a tool which can readily do it. "Best" is often a gauge of which met or exceeded expectation based on previous listening experience. With that known and understood, it's very possible that some people may not actually enjoy the original audio source. This fact is often forgotten. Another point in fact is, if this were not true, the number of equalizers sold to audiophiles, and the masses in general, would be greatly reduced!!!

      Most find 256-bit quality MP3 encodings to meet or beat their expectations...especially given the audio equipment most use. This includes many audiophiles too.

      Now then, remove the $100,000 worth of high-end audio equipement and suddenly pretty much everyone is happy beyond compare.

      I don't know about you, but my self, like most of the masses don't have ultra high-end audio equipment so when someone says we need better, really has no meaning, let alone value to 95% of the earth's population.

  28. another 'bill of right'? by SpacePunk · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    WHAT THE FUCK? Does every freakin group in this country need it's own goddamn 'bill of rights'? What next? The 'motorist bill of rights'? Perhaps a 'ass pickers bill of rights'? This is getting disgustingly STUPID!

    Mod me down, you know I'm right.

    1. Re:another 'bill of right'? by Silverhammer · · Score: 2

      Mod me down, you know I'm right.

      No, you're not.

      Sure, the phrase "bill of rights" has been co-opted by every group of simpering, blood-sucking "activists" under the sun, but this time it is extremely appropriate. Why? Because this bill of rights was composed to remind people of the real, honest-to-goodness constitutional "fair use" rights that the media corps are trying to take away.

      Yes, you heard me. Constitutional. Article I, Section 8. Look it up.

    2. Re:another 'bill of right'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget the First Amendment.

      Part of the reason that Fair Use exists (not the sole reason, but an important one) is to reconcile copyrights (artificial restrictions on Free Speech) with the First Amendment (Congress is not allowed to restrict Free Speech).

      The "progress of the Arts and Sciences" and "limited Times" parts of Article I, Section 8 also tie into this.

      The idea is that properly constructed copyright laws can serve the cause of Free Speech, if they encourage the production of more works that must ultimately fall into the public domain, and the benefit to the PUBLIC of the particular copyright law outweighs the harm done by giving monopolies.

      Unlike lobbyists for content vendors, the Founding Fathers did not believe that stronger monopoly grants were always better.

    3. Re:another 'bill of right'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you prefer it was called "A List of Proposed Consumer Rights"?

      Or are you opposed to rights in general?

  29. My favourite quote! by ProfBooty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That brought an angry retort from Andrew S. Grove, the chairman of Intel. "Is it the responsibility of the world at large to protect an industry whose business model is facing a strategic challenge?" he said in an interview. "Or is it up to the entertainment industry to adapt to a new technical reality and a new set of consumers who want to take advantage of it?"

    It is nice to see a more "mainstream" opinon which echos the sentiments of slashdot posters. This really is the core of the issue: Media companies don't want to deal with the new dynamics as to what people (the "consumer") want to do with the content that they percieve they own (i.e. i bought it in the store, i can do whatever i want with it). I don't see how digital rights should be any different than rights in the analog world. Asides from preceieved quality issues, all the move to digital has done, is make it easier for people to do stuff that they had done previously, i.e. the new term "space shift".

    In my younger days i "spaceshifted" a record or cd to a tape or MD to listen to in my walkman or in my parents car. How is this any different than when I download a copy of a cd i own to my mp3 player?

    The question I have, is who has more lobbyists? The hardware or media industires? That will probably be the deciding factor.

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    1. Re:My favourite quote! by KjetilK · · Score: 2
      Yeah, I agree with the points that are made here: An industry that thinks its business model should be unchanged during a technological revolution is just pathetic. One remark, though:

      The question I have, is who has more lobbyists? The hardware or media industires?

      Well, the hardware industry is quite a lot bigger, isn't it?

      However, this means that we need to be very careful about how we talk to people about this. Right now, we can say "look at how these huge record companies are screwing artists and consumers alike!" And there is a lot of truth to it. However, getting the largish hardware industry on the matter means that RIAA, MPAA and the like can say "look at how the huge hardware manufacturers are screwing the poor, idealistic artists for their own profit!" You know, we should be concerned that there may become so truth to that as well, in which case the tables are turned.

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    2. Re:My favourite quote! by ethereal · · Score: 1

      I continue to be amazed that Intel is not on the side of the content industry here - they must have some scary numbers on how much work implementing DRM on their chips would be. Or maybe they understand that many consumers just won't buy a Pentium DRM+ 3000?

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    3. Re:My favourite quote! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is different because excepting the initial hit of converting from PCM to MP3 there is no reduction in quality by making digital copies. A burned CD sounds just as good as a legally aquired one. An analog tape copy is significantly noisier. Same with video and VHS.

      That said, the media industries are still trying to shoot themselves in the foot with this...

      Keep those customers happy! Your [business] life [*should*] depends on it!

    4. Re:My favourite quote! by BeBoxer · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The question I have, is who has more lobbyists? The hardware or media industires? That will probably be the deciding factor.

      Possibly the biggest difficulty in this fight is that the media industries have an ace up their sleeve. Namely, they are the media. They can run warm fuzzy stories about Sen. Hollings standing up for the rights of "artists" in the face of Internet criminals. And any Congress-critter who opposes them better not have any upset interns for the media to dig up. Whether or not it would work is one thing. But I bet that media lobbyists can make very effective use of the threat.


      Amazingly, Newsweek seems to have spent a lot of effort to rag on the music industry in a recent issue. About three pages blaming their lagging sales on too much bad formula music and too-high prices. It also discussed the successes of "O Brother Where Art Thou" at the Grammy's as evidence that even the folks who work in the music industry know that most of the stuff they are shoveling out the door is crap. Another one page article about Hollings and the SSSCA making it quite clear that that the proposed law would impinge on legal copying as well as pointing out that the Internet can probably do for media industries what the VCR did for the movie industry, namely make them a shitload of money if they would just stop trying to make it illegal.


      I don't know, but it seems that print media is much more willing to actually run stories on the issues involved. Maybe it's because they are an older industry. Maybe they just see it as a way to kick a competitor. Maybe it's the fact that I don't have cable and never watch broadcast news. Has anybody ever seen any coverage of this issue in the broadcast media? How biased did it seem?

    5. Re:My favourite quote! by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      Aside from that, I don't think Mr. Grove would appreciate the government making *any* requirements on how Intel designs its chips, DRM or no.

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    6. Re:My favourite quote! by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2
      I don't think Mr. Grove would appreciate the government making *any* requirements on how Intel designs its chips, DRM or no.

      Andy Grove is no saint in this fight. Given that Intel's VC and media arms have invested mnay dollars in tne field of DRM, I'm sure it's the former (i.e., DRM rather than no). Just because AG doesn't want a particular DRM technology mandated doesn't mean he wants no DRM. That's not to say he can't be useful in this case, but just remember that when you're playing for money, you have no friends...

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    7. Re:My favourite quote! by unitron · · Score: 2
      Is Newsweek owned by some conglomerate that also owns record companies, music studios, etc. the way that arch-rival Time magazine is? I applaud them for making the points which they did, but to what extent was it done to rag on Time-Warner AOL?

      You're quite correct about print media being willing to spend a little more time than the length of a sound bite on a subject.

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    8. Re:My favourite quote! by BeBoxer · · Score: 2

      Newsweek is owned by The Washington Post Company, which has managed to stay relatively independant compared to say Time. They do own six TV stations, but don't appear to have any movie studio or record label affiliations. You can see the details at the Columbia Journalism Review

      It doesn't seem to be a fluke, since this week they have an article bagging on the DMCA and specifically the Skylarov case. As a news company, perhaps they realize that the DMCA threatens their ability to easily quote material from digital sources. Who knows. It is nice to see at least some news outlets are willing to present the real story on things like the DMCA.

    9. Re:My favourite quote! by unitron · · Score: 2
      "It is nice to see at least some news outlets are willing to present the real story on things like the DMCA."

      Amen to that. Of course I lost all respect for Time when they wimped out on Bin Laden as "Man of the Year" (not nice guy of the year but person who most affected the news. Of course last year they named Dubya, when the obvious choice was "Chad" :-) Also we have to rely on Time-Warner for cable TV around here, and you can guess how thrilled I am about that.

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  30. And by wiredog · · Score: 1
    Can we portscan bears?

    *ducks* *runs*

    1. Re:And by CrazyBrett · · Score: 1
      Can we portscan bears?

      Buddy, what goes on in your private life is entirely your business :)
    2. Re:And by markmoss · · Score: 2
      Can we portscan bears?

      Buddy, what goes on in your private life is entirely your business :)

      Just so long as we don't have to pick up your medical and/or funeral bills. 8-)
  31. Rights vs. convenience. by heroine · · Score: 2

    You want to give up the convenience of wireless, pay per view, video on demand, media organization, plug and play, one touch recording, ease of use, so you can shift time? You need to give before you can get. If you want rights, use a PC and do it yourself. Don't expect major electronics companies to give you maximum convenience with full rights.

    1. Re:Rights vs. convenience. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The SSSCA targets computers and peripherals rather explicitly.

    2. Re:Rights vs. convenience. by ArtDent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Start paying attention.

      According to the SSSCA, a PC is an interactive digital device, and as such, it must be neutered according to government-created specifications. If an SSSCA-like law is introduced and passed, there will be NO technology available to enable you to exercise your rights.

      I think this is Consumer Technology Bill of Rights is an excellent idea.

    3. Re:Rights vs. convenience. by joereda · · Score: 1

      This posting makes no sense? However, giving up (to name a few) pay-per-view, media organization, and plug and play would probably not be a Bad Thing.

    4. Re:Rights vs. convenience. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am already giving these up.
      They are no longer offering what I want at a reasonable cost (in the holistic sense of the word)

    5. Re:Rights vs. convenience. by Alsee · · Score: 2

      According to the SSSCA, a PC is an interactive digital device, and as such, it must be neutered according to government-created specifications.

      According to the SSSCA, your microwave oven is an interactive digital device. So is your digital alarm clock. And your Furby. And so is a god damn TINKER TOY!

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  32. Make a better product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way the record companies will survive against the new technical world is to build a better product.

    Take for instance records. I collect old records, they sound unique every time I play them. Most importantly though, they were produced with care. I own "dark side of the moon-pink floyd" it came with posters and stickers. It is truely and wonderful "product".

    The record companies have seems to believe that they have created the music and so don't need to do their job of producing a good product.

    Laws will not stop the hordes of people from copying CD's. Lets face it, many of the people here copy mp3's.

    The record companies are essentially pissing into the wind.

    My english here is probably terrible, but I saw Ozzy last night and i'm hurting. (btw seeing your favourite band in concert is a great way of supporting the band. More money in their pockets than CD's)

    -Sleepy Fan Guy

  33. Amen, Brother! (DigitalConsumer.org) by eples · · Score: 5, Informative


    Joe Kraus, founder of Excite and co-founder of DigitalConsumer.org, is scheduled to testify before Congress today - his testimony is online and is excellent.

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    1. Re:Amen, Brother! (DigitalConsumer.org) by archaica · · Score: 1

      he makes several fantastic, yet clearly relatable points - such as the one about his parents and their confusion over new "protective" technology.

      Send this to everyone you know.

    2. Re:Amen, Brother! (DigitalConsumer.org) by sulli · · Score: 1

      Best tool yet for opposing SSSCA etc. I filled out the form. (See, one can fax one's lawmakers AND bitch on slashdot!)

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  34. Software/hardware developers are for piracy? by actor_au · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the Article(NYT one)...he(Eisner) suggested that they (MS Apple, Intel ETC) had failed to develop adequate protection for digital media because piracy helps sell computers.
    Microsoft et al aren't even able to develop decent anti-piracy measures for their own software and hardware(Multi-Regional DVDs etc) why should they bother to work on another companies problems when they can't beat their own?
    Also the very idea that pirited songs and ripped movies help to sell computers is stupid. At most it forces some people to go get a better video card, start a broadband account and get a bigger screen and speaker set.

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  35. Games are flourishing despite piracy by janimal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why isn't anyone using this argument? I think I read somewhere that the video game industry is bigger than hollywood, and they don't seem to b*ch nearly as much, while their medium is solely computers. They can deal with it, why can't Hollywood/RIAA?

    1. Re:Games are flourishing despite piracy by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      Some console game companies may be doing well. But PC? What about Interplay, or Sir-Tech? Note that Sir-Tech specifically had trouble collecting payments from overseas distributors -- folks who basically *were* pirating for money, because they weren't paying.

      Microprose, SimTex, Broderbund, Atomic Games, Strategic Simulations Inc, Spectrum Holobyte... there are a lot of names you don't see that often anymore in that industry. I'm not saying piracy killed them, but the industry has had a fair number of casualties, so are they really thriving?

      *shrug*

      (Honest question, actually. I don't know that much about the financials of the companies that are still in the game.)

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    2. Re:Games are flourishing despite piracy by joshwa · · Score: 2

      He meant console gaming, not PC gaming in particular

      "According to IDC, the movie office receipts for Y2000 was $7.75 billion, while the interactive games industry revenue was $8.2 billion!" (found here)

    3. Re:Games are flourishing despite piracy by Balagan · · Score: 1

      Thats because no one is talking about the positive effects of unrestricted file sharing anymore. Those that see only the *damage* being done to big media are failing to notice the incredible impact of millions of people communicating directly with each other and sharing creative works of all types that they may have otherwise never had access to. This is *exactly* what the copyright clause of the constitution is about... inspiration and exposure to new ideas (ie. innovation).

      How many other people besides me, of so many different backgrounds and in so many different locations, are getting so much more serious about music and movie creation in ways ranging from song writing to dj'ing and audio production to screenwriting or anything else having to do with creative arts, because we are exposing each other to all these wonderful movies and music and the rest?

      The networking revolution (I know revolution is a cliched word) that is taking place currently is planting the seeds for a creative explosion we have never seen before... similar to the harlem renaissance or the growth of rock and roll (why is it all these labels that made their millions on the backs of artists rebelling against all rules and authrity are no running to congress to protect their own desire for authority?) or even the industrial revolution and the rennaissance itself.

      All it took for world changing explosions of creativity like the rennaissance and the age of reason were advances like the printing press and the cultural influence of the islamic world on southern europe.

      Have we all failed to understand the impact of the little things we ourselves do that are exactly the same? Have we just decided to remove ourselves from our own lives because we think that what we do no longer has any relation to our own history or our own lives?

      I can tell anyone point blank that the movies i am downloading are inspiring me to be more involved in a field i already had some connection to (if you doubt that we can talk about what movies ive downloaded and why and what inspiration ive taken from them). The music im downloading is only feeding into my love of parties, desire to throw myself much more into turntables and guitar and get back to piano after many many years (which im sure many of you can appreciate even if you dont share my particular taste in music)... exposing me to influences that i cant get by only going to shows and parties and watching m2 or listening to corporate radio or having a cd lent to me by a friend. And yes even the games that ive gotten have helped feed into my lifetime as a gamer and real desire to develop games (which just recently became more of a real possiblity thanks to a new friend who is a bit older than me and has been programming for the past 20 years.

      I strongly doubt i am alone in the world, even if many people are just benefiting from the good brought to their own lives by *listening* and *watching* all this art they couldnt have otherwise had access to, and not wanting to throw themselves headlong into the creative end of things.

      I dont suggest that artists starve or no one profits. *I am* an artist (at least in the sense we are using the word) an i dont want to starve. But there is no reason for artists to starve because of these new emerging changes, and we all know artists are already treated like shit so all the claims by the big labels of having a RIGHT to protection for themselves but not the artists who create the work are just complete bullshit.

      If we are really going to discuss how to navigate these changes instead of how to shut them down we need to bring the right people to the table. Lock out the Big Media compainies and Congress, and bring in all the Hardware companies, all Consumers, and all Artists directly (not just propped up superstars who are just pawns of their oppresive contracts).

    4. Re:Games are flourishing despite piracy by Balagan · · Score: 1

      What id like to see is the convergance of pc and console gaming... Its already happening but id love to see it speed up.

    5. Re:Games are flourishing despite piracy by RandomPeon · · Score: 2

      It's a tough industry, no denying it, probably the toughest there is. Gaming is probably the fastest-changing segment of the technology industry. The games we're playing today are nothing like the games from a decade ago. Real-time strategy, MMORPG, and first-person shooter games didn't exist in 1990. Today they dominate. Lots of company don't adapt to the changes and they die.

      But lots of gaming companies are doing pretty well - Firaxis, Blizzard, id, Verant, Maxis, etc. There's been quite a bit of consolodiation, most of the names above are now subsidiaries of megacorps. Entertainment in general lends itself to consolidiation because sometimes even the best creators turn out flops so you need quite a few titles out at any time. On the whole, gaming companies have figured it out:

      1) Use sane copy-protection features that don't seem horribly hostile to consumers. I can transfer my copy of Starcraft to any damn machine I please as long as I enter the key. I can copy the damned CD so I can not play from the original and avoid scratching it. This is not strong copy-protection, of course. I can probably share with some of my close friends, but game companies have figured out there's no way to prevent that without making their products anti-consumer. I won't buy a game that requires me to insert random disks at random times, say the magic incantion every third time I start up, and prostrate myself before the Gods of Copy Protection for the privelege of using their Glorious Content.

      2) Charge reasonable prices. Games have stayed in the $30-70 price range for almost a decade. If prices rose as fast as CD and video prices did Black and White would cost $200. Piracy makes price discrimination quite difficult.

  36. broadcast Microsoft software? by Havokmon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    But Mr. Chernin of the News Corporation suggested that matters might be different if the tables were turned. "Let's say I decide to broadcast on my network the code for how to make Intel chips or Microsoft software," he said. "I think they'd find a way to stop it."

    And because Windows XP is the heart of Microsofts business model, Microsoft has obviously devised a way to completely stop piracy of their operating system.

    And as you can see today, they've been completely successful.

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  37. Re:DMR ? by bpkri · · Score: 1

    very helpful - but yes - ofcourse it is DRM ^^; Soooryy :D

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  38. consumer rights by nehril · · Score: 2

    you have the right to remain silent. anything you say has already been used against you. anything THEY (tm) say is protected by copyright and will be used against you unless used in the properly licensed, non-transferrable manner dictated by THEY (tm) lawyers.

    you have the right to spend millions of dollars to defend yourself from frivolous corporate lawsuits, to pay for the lawyer's suits.

    really folks, until we have our own multibillion dollar lobbying force to buy our government back from the corporations, this will be a VERY hard struggle to win.

    1. Re:consumer rights by Indras · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of another quote I heard once: "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be misquoted and used against you..."

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  39. OK People... by BigChigger · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Get of your collective asses, join this group and the EFF, and contact you congress(wo)man.

    Sitting here making witty, stupid "first post", or other "insightful" posts does no good at all. Email your friends and family. Discuss this with your coworkers or fellow students. Get up and get moving.

    BC

    1. Re:OK People... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Get of your collective asses, join this group and the EFF,
      I might consider joining DigitalConsumer.org, but it will be a cold day in Hell when I join EFF.
  40. Re:Yet more change-the-name anti-MS bashing by ihoppancakes · · Score: 1

    Ok, too bad for Linux. ??? FlopBox PortBox Are the common developers terms for it. Of course there are an unending list of others out there. Too bad all that matters is how poorly it is doing versus the PS2 and GameCube. I'm sure the FlopBox is also managing to beat out the Dreamcast...

  41. If the tables were turned? by RAVasquez · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But Mr. Chernin of the News Corporation suggested that matters might be different if the tables were turned. "Let's say I decide to broadcast on my network the code for how to make Intel chips or Microsoft software," he said. "I think they'd find a way to stop it."

    It's called a "lawsuit." That is, you sue whoever leaks proprietary code when they do it. It doesn't mean you cripple your hardware or software on the off-chance that somebody could do it.

    I swear to God, these media types must blow their noses by committee.

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    1. Re:If the tables were turned? by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wow. Mr. Chernin has just admitted that his network could be used for piracy! I guess we need to cripple his network to make it impossible for newscasters to read technical information.

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    2. Re:If the tables were turned? by Salsaman · · Score: 2
      Yes, but just in case, we should ban televsion now.

    3. Re:If the tables were turned? by WeedMonkey · · Score: 1

      I think that quite possibly that would do far more good than we can imagine.

    4. Re:If the tables were turned? by Alsee · · Score: 2

      I guess we need to cripple his network to make it impossible for newscasters to read technical information.

      Now there's a real pressing problem - TV newscasters providing too much technical information. While we're at it we should make it impossible to broadcast the news in black & white.

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    5. Re:If the tables were turned? by Happy+Monkey · · Score: 2

      Whether it's happening or not is irrelevant - the problem is that it is possible! We should have technicians constantly monitoring the newsfeed, at his expense of course.

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  42. X-Box in Finland by Noobie · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Little off-topic..

    You can find pictures of real X-Box here :) ( in finnish ).

    And there is news ( in finnish again ) about happening where people got their X-Boxes first in Europe. There were only about 10 people waiting for X-Box according to story. And one who won X-Box said that he wouldn't have bought that console anyway..

  43. Waving rights in the EU... by Numen · · Score: 1

    Aye, but one must remember, that while it's relatively easy to wave consumer rights in many US States, it's very hard to wave consumer rights in the EU (certainly the UK), and indeed to attempt to mandate such is itself often illegal.

    It's for this reason that so much product legalese is followed by "this does not effect your statutory rights".

    In the UK if the consumer has rights, the vendor cannot make them wave them, no matter what the consumer may have signed, their rights are still intact... contracts do not supercede the law of the land, and [if] the rights are by act of Parliament not act of corporation X... Parliament wins =)

    I remember having an argument with my bank over copies of statements and the data protection act, tangental I know... "I don't care what your policy is on the data protection act, I'm waving and an act of Parliament under your nose, which carries a little more wait than your written policy"... I got what I wanted.

    1. Re:Waving rights in the EU... by mpe · · Score: 2

      Aye, but one must remember, that while it's relatively easy to wave consumer rights in many US States, it's very hard to wave consumer rights in the EU (certainly the UK), and indeed to attempt to mandate such is itself often illegal.
      It's for this reason that so much product legalese is followed by "this does not effect your statutory rights".


      Typically in combination with the "if any of this is legally void the rest still stands" type clause. There are rights which cannot be waived in the US (and many other countries) just that they are not always the same rights. (Also there is AFAIK little interest in "harmonising" customer rights, since they arn't seen as something advantagous to big business.)
      A basic problem is that most people don't know what inaliable rights they actually have, even in their own country, let alone if they travel elsewhere

      I remember having an argument with my bank over copies of statements and the data protection act, tangental I know... "I don't care what your policy is on the data protection act, I'm waving and an act of Parliament under your nose, which carries a little more wait than your written policy"... I got what I wanted.

      In other words they are so used to people not knowing their rights and accepting what they think customers rights should be that they are difficult to enlighten.
      Similarly in the US an act of Congress or appropriate state legislature trumps any "policy". Though certain (large) commercial entities might take a lot of convincing. Also the US constitution should trump anything the US Congress comes up with, Even though it might be an uphill struggle getting the US Federal Government to agree.

  44. OK, but... by thormodr · · Score: 1

    I agree with all of these rights of the consumer... How does Napster/Morpheus/Kazaa etc. fit into this? The Bill of Rights does not seem to cover them. Can anybody come up with a justification for them other than "Nothing can stop technology!" or "Let's screw the monopolistic and evil corporations!"?

    1. Re:OK, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people think that all things are permitted unless prohibited by law. People don't have to justify everything they wish to do. People do have to justify limiting other's behavior. I think that this is intuitive to most free people. You have to prove why napster should be stopped. It doesn't have to justify itself. Nice try to switch the burden of proof. Next trick, prove that God exists by claiming that nobody proved he didn't exist. Now insert 'flying pink elephents' in for God for extra credit. Have fun, logicon.

    2. Re:OK, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here are some references:

      Article I, Section 8: Copyrights may only be granted for "limited Times" and for the cause of advancing the public interest ("progress of Arts and Sciences"). SSSCA + DMCA => mandatory copy protection that NEVER expires and that you NEVER can bypass to get to public domain works. SSSCA => MAJOR damage to the entire technical sector, and all parts of the economy that use technology. SSSCA + DMCA => Government-backed perfect control over use of copyrighted works after the sale, which is something the public has never given away previously, and has no interest in giving away now.

      First Amendment: Congress shall make no law restricting freedom of speech or of the press. (SSSCA => mandates prior censorship technology in all electronic devices that could possibly carry or be used to publish Free Speech.)

      Third Amendment: Soldiers shall not be quartered in homes in peacetime without the consent of the owner. (SSSCA => mandates electronic policeware quartered in private property in peacetime without consent of the owner.)

      ???: Innocent until proven guilty. SSSCA => treats you as guilty even if you are trying to carry out legal Fair Use activities.

      No Ex Post Facto Laws. SSSCA => has a grandfather clause for existing PCs, but logging into the 'Net and learning that the SSSCA had just passed would make you a criminal. Not quite Ex Post Facto, but certainly closer than laws ought to be.

    3. Re:OK, but... by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

      Well, assuming that you are referring to using Napster/Morpheus/Kazaa for violating copyright (I will not use the loaded word "piracy"), no, it can't be justified. It's illegal.

      Consider it civil disobedience, until there comes a time when consumers can buy content which respects their rights for a fair price.

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  45. DigitalConsumer.org's making it easy.... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

    To contact your Representative and Senator. Go to http://www.digitalconsumer.org/fax.html and fill out your name, e-mail address, and Zip code. Then they'll fax a pre-made letter (which you can alter if you'd like) to your two Senators and your Representative (based on your Zip code). Very important since many people are concerned about this stuff, but balk when it's time to actually write and send a letter.

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  46. website by asv108 · · Score: 2

    I like the concept and I thought the "bill of rights" was right on target but that website could use some more content. Possibly message boards and some type of petition to sign. A donations page is usually standard with these grass route advocacy pages. You think these guys would have their act together if they were getting linked from the WSJ.

    1. Re:website by sulli · · Score: 1

      At least they have an auto-fax tool, unlike the EFF. Better than nothing.

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  47. mergers and consolidation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since we live in a time of consolidation and mergers, these bills/laws really are not needed to control the flow of information across the internet. What if AOL/Time Warner/Turner broadcasting/ New Line Cinema/Time/CNN/etc decided to buy up the major internet backbones, then make there computers refuse to forward packets containing mp3 data. Well within their rights on/in their private property. No laws required. Monopoly is just a game in this political climate.

  48. Re:time shift and space shift? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think tivo has space shifting patents and Replay has time shifting patents

  49. Entertainment industry has powerful connections by LatJoor · · Score: 2

    Ah, yes, but it's not just the entertainment industry that you have to deal with. They have lots of ties. There's a good summary here (the fruits of a Google search). Entertainment and the major TV networks are tied in with power (GE, Westinghouse), AOL, and Philip Morris (already a massive company).

    For example, Disney's ties (from the document linked above):

    DISNEY / ABC / CAP

    Television Holdings:

    ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
    ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
    ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
    Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.

    Media Holdings:

    Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
    Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
    3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
    Hyperion book publishers.
    Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).

    Other Holdings:

    Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
    All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.

    1. Re:Entertainment industry has powerful connections by thesolo · · Score: 2

      Ah, yes, but it's not just the entertainment industry that you have to deal with. They have lots of ties.

      A very good point. Indeed, these companies are far bigger than many of us imagine. If you want to see a full list on what companies own what, take a look here:
      http://www.cjr.org/owners/

      Especially check out Clear Channel, it's amazing how many stations they own. Also, it's odd that under Disney, it shows that they have an investment in TiVo. Isn't Disney part of the same people trying to outlaw those types of technologies?!

    2. Re:Entertainment industry has powerful connections by clone304 · · Score: 1


      They're hedging their bets just as any smart capitalist would. Disney's not stupid enough to be putting all of its eggs in one basket. They're fighting for total control in the hope that they can get away with it. They'll survive just fine if they don't get it, but they're also smart enough to turn around and invest in not getting their way as well. And if nothing else, if they were to acquire controlling interest in Tivo, they could shut them down.

      Disney ain't stupid.

  50. I replaced the boilerplate with my view by LinuxParanoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that the congressional staffers don't pay too much attention to boilerplate messages, so I rewrote mine to say the following, posted here as just another perspective:

    I'm upset that the Fair Use rights of citizens and consumers of copyrighted information are under steady and increasing attack by profit-maximizing and liberty-minimizing corporations.

    It'd be nice if some representatives such as yourself stood up for the average Joe's 'pursuit of happiness'.

    Specifically, I would appreciate if Congress would grant the right for consumers to 'time-shift' and 'space-shift' our use of legitimately purchased (or licensed) copyrighted materials for personal use. I would like to add my voice to DigitalConsumer.org in calling for a "consumer technology bill of rights" in an attempt to preserve our Fair Use rights. I'm sure you've read their boilerplate, I won't repeat it.

    I have a bunch of old cassette tapes. And I have a bunch of CDs. And I listen to a lot of my music and audio on the computer nowdays. And over time my cassettes (and even CDs) degrade for reasons of physics and cheap electronics.

    As a software developer who respects intellectual property rights, I have never used Napster (or similar services) to download music I have not purchased. But I dang well *would* like the clear legal right to download MP3s of casettes I purchased 15 years ago, or CDs in my collection, so I don't have to go through the hassle of upgrading my tape deck and connecting it to my computer to try to move songs around. (To be fair to record companies, I would not demand the right to download CD-quality copies of my old cassettes, but CD-quality copies of CDs or low-medium-grade MP3 copies of casettes should be 'fair'.)

    I've slowed and stopped purchasing much additional music until the industry comes up with a consumer-friendly way for me to purchase it; something which allows me to recognize a song on the radio, say "hey, I like that song and would like it in my permanent collection" and allows me to download it and play it for the rest of my life, like a book on my shelf.

    The record industry wants me to purchase a 'license' to listen to the song when I am online, being tracked, or wants me to purchase a copy on some physical piece of media that they will obsolesce in 15 years.

    I don't mind if they attempt to convince the public to do that, but I resent that they are enhancing their ability through highly suspect oligopolistic practices, through high-paid lawyers in the courts, through high-paid lobbiests trying to convince you, my representative.

    Copyright was designed by our founders not as a license to print money (although that is a nice side effect when a work is popular). Copyright should be an incentive to create new, great works.

    Wouldn't the world be a better place if they focused their massive resources on identifying new, good music? And not on trying to reduce the public's Fair Use rights in an attempt to create pseudo-mandatory upgrades for consumers who just want to listen to the Beatles songs of their youth, 20, 40, and 60 years later without paying copyright holders at every step along the way?

    I focus on the music industry because that is closest to my heart, but there are very similar issues with movies, the electronic books of tomorrow, and other media products.

    Thank you very much for your attention to this important matter.

    --LP (no, I signed it with my real name and address in hopes they'd pay more attention)

    1. Re:I replaced the boilerplate with my view by mwa · · Score: 2
      Remove "(or licensed)" from your letter, your future comments, and your mind. This whole fight is about the restoration of rights, including the doctrine of "first sale". Once you admit to even the possibility that you're "licensing" the content the battle is over. You only have the rights the license grants you.


      Note that whether a license exists or not is irrelevent.
      It's the nature of the transaction that determines whether it's a sale or not.

    2. Re:I replaced the boilerplate with my view by IronicCheese · · Score: 1

      I did the same thing.

      I'm not a thief.
      I don't use Napster.
      I dont steal songs.

      I work hard for my money. Why would congress would make it illegal for me to protect my library of music, books (yes, ebooks), and videos?

      What if TV makers demanded that congress pass a law requiring TV sets to weigh at least 500 pounds, making it harder to steal TV's? People who don't steal sets shouldn't care -- only theives would complain? And if a few consumers are inconvenienced and need to buy several more sets for home, well that's just the price of protecting a vital industry.

      Obvious nonsense.

      It is NOT the responsibilty of technology companies to protect how media companies make money. It is the responsibility of media companies to be nimble and innovative and to react to changing market conditions.

      Let history be your guide. This is NOT the first time that businesses have faced challenges from technology.

      - Monsatic scribes did it in
      the face of the printing presss.

      - Buggy-whip makers did it in
      the face of the automobile.

      - Movie companies did it in the
      face of of VCRs (and should be
      glad they lost the fight - they make
      a lot more money from cassettes than
      from theater presentation).

      The list goes on and on and on...change is inevitable. No industry, no matter how successful, should be immune to change.

      Besides, change is *GOOD* - it is the engine of economic growth. Protecting the powers that be from change is dangerous and frankly, not in the best American Tradition.

      In these uncertain and dangerous times, we must be especially aware of what our values are, and to protect them with even more care and vigor.

      When in doubt, I implore you to err on the side of the free flow, transmission and sharing of ideas.

      Keep piracy illegal, but don't gut the free flow of ideas as you swing the sword of justice.

      -------

      I agree with the boilerplate that DigitalConsumer has drafted, so I've included it below.

      ---------------
      As a constituent and an ardent consumer of digital media, I write today to urge you to support a Consumer Technology Bill of Rights, and to express my concerns about the recent trend toward allowing one-sided copyright laws to eliminate my Fair Use rights.

      Historically, our country has enjoyed a balance between the rights of copyright holders and the rights of citizens who legally acquire copyrighted works. Generally speaking, rights holders have the exclusive right to distribute and profit from artistic works. Consumers like me who legally acquire these works are free to use them in most noncommercial ways. Unfortunately, this balance has shifted dramatically in recent years, much to the detriment of consumers.

      To prevent further erosion of my rights, I would like to add my voice to DigitalConsumer.org in calling for a "consumer technology bill of rights". It is simply an attempt to assert positively the public's personal use rights. These rights are not new; they are historic rights granted in previous legislation and court rulings that have over the last four years been whittled away.

      Under the guise of "preventing illegal copying" I believe Hollywood is vilifying their customers - people like me - and using the legislative process to create new lines of business at my expense. Their goal is to create a legal system that takes away my long-cherished personal use rights and then to charge me an additional fee to regain those rights!

      Copy protection, especially to prevent overseas piracy for illicit sale, is an important issue. But before Congress considers yet another change in the law at the behest of the copyright holders, I urge you in the strongest possible terms to protect my Fair Use rights.

      Thank you very much for your attention to this important matter.

  51. Turnabout is fair use by Reziac · · Score: 5, Funny
    I note in the article, this statement:

    "I believe if you say to these people, `You get us a system by Dec. 31 or we'll do it for you,' you'll be surprised at how innovative they'll become," Mr. Eisner told the lawmakers at last month's hearing.

    Let's turn that around, and pretend I'm Intel for a moment:

    "I believe if you say to the RIAA, `You find a new business model by Dec. 31 or we'll do it for you,' you'll be surprised at how quickly they'll adapt to current technology," Intel told the lawmakers at next month's hearing.

    There, see how easy that was??

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    1. Re:Turnabout is fair use by Reziac · · Score: 2

      I know talking to myself is frowned upon, but here's how I adapted my post for the abovementioned protest fax:

      ***
      Today there is an article in the NYTimes, which you can view at
      http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/14/technology/14PRO T.html

      I note in the article, this statement (copied here under the Doctrine of Fair Use -- be aware that this very copying for the purpose of using a brief quote would be illegal under the SSSCA bill):

      "I believe if you say to these people, 'You get us a system by Dec. 31 or we'll do it for you,' you'll be surprised at how innovative they'll become," Mr. Eisner told the lawmakers at last month's hearing.

      Let's turn that around:

      "I believe if you say to the RIAA, 'You find a new business model by Dec. 31 or we'll do it for you,' you'll be surprised at how quickly they'll adapt to current technology," consumers told the lawmakers at next month's hearing.

      No one has the RIGHT to profit, let alone a right to continue making money via an outdated business model.

      The SSSCA and bills like it are trying to legislate a RIGHT TO PROFIT for a very small segment of the economy, at the expense of literally everyone else.

      This bill is the modern equivalent of an attempted law of the early 1900s, where automobiles were to be outlawed because they would put manure sweepers out of a job. (This is a real example, you can look it up.)
      ***

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    2. Re:Turnabout is fair use by kindbud · · Score: 2

      This bill is the modern equivalent of an attempted law of the early 1900s, where automobiles were to be outlawed because they would put manure sweepers out of a job. (This is a real example, you can look it up.)

      I like the manure sweeper analogy a lot better than the buggy whip analogy. Nice find. :)

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    3. Re:Turnabout is fair use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "I believe if you say to these people, `You get us a system by Dec. 31 or we'll do it for you,' you'll be surprised at how innovative they'll become," Mr. Eisner told the lawmakers at last month's hearing.

      This is really just a scheme to push CPRM and its ilk through standards committies.

  52. music is a finite consumable resource? by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "If someone figured out how to unlock the gas in the gas station, people would be outraged," Mr. Eisner added. "They wouldn't say to the oil industry, `You need a different business model.' "

    i read the article and was not able to find one good point on behalf of the media companies. this point is absurd. when i copy a song, i am not depriving the people who have the song curently of their song so any analogy that deals with material goods is stupid at best.

    We may be stupid... -Peter Chernin

    you said it.

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    1. Re:music is a finite consumable resource? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If someone figured out how to unlock the gas in the gas station, people would be outraged," Mr. Eisner added. "They wouldn't say to the oil industry, `You need a different business model.' "


      I've never been able to unlock gas, although I have been able to pass it. Oops, I meant space-shift it through my proprietary portal.

  53. This is hard to believe... by Shuh · · Score: 1



    So now we have to lobby to get our fair use rights returned to us?

  54. Geographic monopoly by yerricde · · Score: 1

    After all, it's their network. If you don't like it, go to another ISP.

    For $200,000? Give me a break. Sometimes, an ISP may have a monopoly in a given geographical area.

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  55. Interesting Analogy by Reverberant · · Score: 1

    From the article:

    "If someone figured out how to unlock the gas in the gas station, people would be outraged," Mr. Eisner added. "They wouldn't say to the oil industry, `You need a different business model.' "

    If you go to any gas station in the country (except NJ & OR) you can pretty much drive up to the pump, pump your gas, and drive away without paying (how many times have you seen "please pay before pumping" on the pump?). But for some reason, most people actually pay for gas anyway. Maybe there's a lesson here?

  56. digitalconsumers.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for posting this link. The digital community needs a lobbying force to influence Congress to the same level that opponents of digital rights have. It amazes me that the technical community for all it's 'genius' is too lazy, ill-informed and unorganized to prevent these basic rights from being stripped away by corporate bought politicians.

    I live in South Carolina and while I usually vote Democratic, I oppose Fritz Hollings efforts with the SSSCA and cannot vote for him based on this issue. As a constituent I have emailed him on this subject and had my objection posted in the letters to the editor section of 'The State' paper(http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/news/edito rial/letters/2842276.htm). I will be continuing efforts to raise awareness and advocacy for digital consumer rights.

    Wake up people! Get your voices heard! Remember that while we have a better political system here than most countries, it doesn't work without your input.

  57. How can Fox changing its business model be bad? by mttlg · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Peter Chernin, president of the News Corporation (news/quote), which owns 20th Century Fox, said in an interview that "without copyright protection we will change our business models and the loser will be the public,"

    This is from the company that brought us a boxing match between Tonya Harding and Paula Jones, Temptation Island, Who Wants to Marry a Multi-Millionaire, The Chamber, and loads of other worthless trash, while at the same time doing a poor job of promoting Futurama and Family Guy (and a poor job in general with The Tick). Since when is changing this business model a bad thing? The public is already a loser, it can't get much worse.

    Other nice quotes:

    "I believe if you say to these people, `You get us a system by Dec. 31 or we'll do it for you,' you'll be surprised at how innovative they'll become," Mr. Eisner told the lawmakers at last month's hearing.

    Oh yeah, this really makes Eisner look like the good guy...

    Senator Ernest F. Hollings, Democrat of South Carolina and chairman of the Commerce Committee, says that without technological safeguards Hollywood may never offer the kind of high-quality programming for digital television and broadband Internet services that would generate consumer interest and, in turn, economic growth.

    Real "high-quality programming" comes from intelligent and creative writing, good acting, and management that lets these things happen - until that happens, it won't matter how many lines the video image has if they are all lines of crap.

    "Unfortunately in many cases, fear is paralyzing Hollywood's ability to seize what I believe is an incredible opportunity," said Steven P. Jobs, chief executive of Apple Computer. "We at Apple believe most people want to be honest, and if offered reasonable choices, most people will choose to buy their content."

    You know things are bad when Steve Jobs is the least insane person in the room...

  58. When Harry Met Sally by kindbud · · Score: 3, Funny

    That brought an angry retort from Andrew S. Grove, the chairman of Intel. "Is it the responsibility of the world at large to protect an industry whose business model is facing a strategic challenge?" he said in an interview. "Or is it up to the entertainment industry to adapt to a new technical reality and a new set of consumers who want to take advantage of it?"

    Oh Yes! OH YES! OH YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!!

    Andy's karma just went up a few notches there...

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  59. It's the guys who did Excite by Animats · · Score: 2
    Look who's behind this. It's the guys who did Excite.

    Excite was heavily hyped, didn't do much, and went bankrupt. This "DigitalConsumer" thing is starting out with heavy hype, and hasn't accomplished anything yet. Bad sign.

  60. Tables are turned by BuffJoe · · Score: 1

    It's interesting to note that a media executive pondered what it would be like if windows code got out there -- would technology companies sit on the issue? The media industry is notorious for neglecting the past and repeatedly fails to learn from it. At one time, software companies tried to impose copy protection, but when they realized it doesn't work, they found an alternative: listen to the customer! Software companies learned to keep prices low and to offer many ways to acquire software legally. And besides, even though people can acquire software illegally, it's becoming more of a hassle to do so. The market will always respond to demand, whether through the black market or through the legitimate market.

  61. Passing bills is easy if you want it to be by zeiche · · Score: 1

    Hollywood gets their bills passed because they pay for the privilege. No lobbying group is going to get a sniff unless they can commit to a higher level of funding than their opponents. Go ahead and send your letters supporting the Bill. But if you want to get their attention, try attaching a $20 or a C-note. Make it clear there is more coming if they can assist you.

  62. Camcorder Watermarks by snkline · · Score: 1

    I was thinking about the camcorder watermarks as well. They must want computers to always REJECT files with those watermarks, because otherwise what stops you from just recording a movie from the television using the camcorder, and sending that to people. The movie has a valid watermark, but not the restrictive one on the original movie. Am I wrong, or are the MPAA/RIAA REALLY so stupid that they havn't realized that everything they want is simply infeasible.

  63. Like prostitution in Canada.. by Kris+Warkentin · · Score: 2

    Point 6 is like the prostitution laws in Canada. Exchanging money for sex is perfectly legal, however any form of communication for the purposes of said exchange is solicitation and is illegal. So you can pay someone for sex as long as no-one ever actually talks about it. Funny, eh?

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    In Soviet Russia, hot grits put YOU down THEIR pants.
  64. The People by exadios · · Score: 1

    The Constitution of the United States commences with a preamble which reads:
    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Interestingly is does not say "We the suckers of the United States...." or "We the passive consumers of the United States....". Nor does it say "....promote the general Welfare and most especially the Welfare of our good buddies in Hollywood,.....". On the contrary the US, at the time of its founding, explicitly rejected the mercantilism of the Old World. This is one of the one bastions of the commercial, cultural an political sucess of the US.

    The basis of the media companies arguement is that they have an absolute right to exist and it is up to the government protect them. But this is not true. They have the right to run a company and if it is sucessfull they exist.

    It is true that there is the copyright clause in the Constitution and they have have that protection already in legislation. If they feel that, by releasing digital content, the legislation does not protect them then their course is clear. Either they should not release the content in that form or develope a business model that generates revenues in some other manner. However, if they require goverment to protect them by forcing me to give up my general purpose computer in favor of a video and audio reproduction machine even though I have no content of theirs, then they are a protected guild - a guild of very large media companies. They will be thae tail wagging the dog. I (one of the people) will be surrendering some of my "Welfare" in order to bolster the companys'.

    To tell the truth most of the junk they produce should not be released in analog format let alone in a "high quality digital" format. That's just my opinion though.

    The question is should the US develope and grow or should it rearrange itself in order to support and industry that otherwise might fail?

    1. Re:The People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is true that there is the copyright clause in the Constitution and they have have that protection already in legislation.


      Even copyright protection is optional -- just a carrot that Congress may extend (or not) as a way to promote a public end.

      The original U.S. copyright law provided a term of 14 years with one renewal term of 14 years. Compare that to what the entertainment companies receive today, and they ought to be extremely grateful.
  65. One Wording Suggestion by Steve+B · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I would appreciate if Congress would grant the right


    Ack! It should be protect the right -- this is not asking to ge given something, this is insisting that Congress cease and desist from violating our traditional rights.

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  66. Without Copyright Protection by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "without copyright protection we will change our business models"

    You already have copyright protection, so I must conclude that you're happy with what the status quo was before 1998.

    And if copyright protection is what you're concerned about, why do you keep asking for something else -- copy protection?

    Take all that money you're spending on congress bribes, and hire some private detectives and lawyers to prosecute infringers instead. Make an expensive example out of some Morpheus or Gnutella user, and maybe things will get back in line.

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  67. Important: Include your mailing address! by Aexia · · Score: 2

    Otherwise, you will likely not get a response. Heck, it's likely the letter will go in the recycling bin if it doesn't have a return address.

    1. Re:Important: Include your mailing address! by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      DigitalConsumer.org must read /.! When I sent my Fax the mailing address wasn't part of the form. Now it is. (Resent my fax with a note about the duplication.)

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  68. Re:what about the troll bill of rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "right to longer and wider pages?"

    I think you are confusing Trolling and Crapflooding... it's the crapflooders who give honest, hard-working trolls a bad name.

  69. This is what will happen to your letter. by Aexia · · Score: 2

    Whomever handles the mail will enter it into their CMS, give you the "TECH.GEN", "PIRACY.PRO" and "DRM.CON" interest codes, and add a row for you to get the non-committal form letter regarding DRM(DRMGEN). A couple weeks later when a legislative coorespondent gets around to writing the letter, they'll print them off all at once and mail them out.

    At the end of the month, the sys admin will run a report of the top ten interest codes for the Congresscritter. If enough people wrote in about DRM, it'll make the bottom half of the list. (Social Security, Medicare, Abortion, Guns and Education will always be the first five.) The sys admin may or may not include a sample letter for each of the subjects. Depends on whether he threw them out as soon as they were assigned a response in the system.

    It's only at that point that the Congresscritter will notice that anyone is against DRM. Whether he's influenced by one line in the report more than the $10,000 HollyPAC just sent his campaign is up for you to decide.

    If you haven't already, you'll soon start receiving mailings from your Rep's office. ie: newsletter, meeting notices, etc.

    (Hint: If you want to get everything your Rep sends out, send a letter about the future of technology, education and Social Security and portray yourself as a hispanic mother in your 40s.)

  70. Wow... Andy Grove nailed it! by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    'Is it the responsibility of the world at large to protect an industry whose business model is facing a strategic challenge?" he said in an interview. "Or is it up to the entertainment industry to adapt to a new technical reality and a new set of consumers who want to take advantage of it?"'

    It's about time somebody said this! A company's inability to stay ahead of customer demand is not the fault of the consumer . Don't punish them for saying "we have more things we want to do with your product."

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  71. The RIAA wants to sell the same crap forever... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    The RIAA and the MPAA only want to sell the same crap over and over again, with no need to innovate. I have proof:

    "If someone figured out how to unlock the gas in the gas station, people would be outraged," Mr. Eisner added. "They wouldn't say to the oil industry, `You need a different business model.' "

    Never mind that he's accusing his customers of being natural thieves, but he also likens the content industry to an oil company. I don't think it's any accident that he used this terminology. He wants to be able to sell a movie, and anybody who uses it in any way pays for it, just like oil. He also secretly wants to make the content so easy to manufacture that there's always a supply of it.

    Eisner is going to learn a very harsh lesson about how much I'm willing to pay for content.

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    "Derp de derp."
    1. Re:The RIAA wants to sell the same crap forever... by anichan · · Score: 1

      Eisner is going to learn a very harsh lesson about how much I'm willing to pay for content.

      Although I agree with you, I have to say that no one who has opposed "The Mouse" has ever made a dent. Just think about how long that one religous group boycotted them. Painful, but true. =/

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    2. Re:The RIAA wants to sell the same crap forever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Eisner isn't Mickey Mouse. Eisner is a businessman at the head of a publicly traded corporation.

      It wouldn't hurt Disney, at all, if Eisner was forced to resign.

    3. Re:The RIAA wants to sell the same crap forever... by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      Hmm... I dont understand the reference. Could you give me a direction to look on it?

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    4. Re:The RIAA wants to sell the same crap forever... by majestyk2000 · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's talking about religioustolerance.org. Not sure, but this is the first thing I came across.

    5. Re:The RIAA wants to sell the same crap forever... by unitron · · Score: 2
      Because Disneyland and Walt Disney World have "gay days" and because Disney extends benefits to "partners" rather than just opposite sex spouses of employees, some of the churches affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention launched a boycott of everything Disney. So far it doesn't seem to be taking all that big a bite out of Disney's bottom line.

      Note that this is not something being done by every Southern Baptist church in the known universe and that there is no way that the Southern Baptist Convention could enforce this upon them. Churches affiliated with the SBC are independent organizations (as are just about any flavor of Baptist church) and that the Baptists were a big part of the inclusion of separation of church and state in the Bill of Rights, although this was due more to their desire to protect religion from government than the other way around.

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  72. crime by joshuaos · · Score: 2
    Prohibition turns otherwise honest citizens into criminals. If the SSSCA (or similar legislation) ever passes, I think it inevitable that an underground hardware market will emerge. Geeks with soldering irons and smaller-scale manufacturing equipment in their basements will fight the control.

    Just like a whole population of stoners has been turned into criminals, we geeks could face the same fate, having our passtime be deemed illegal, and punishable by lots of jail time. I could end up buying hardware and pot from the same people. ;)

    Cheers, Joshua

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    When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!

  73. Rally the troops! by JuiceRat00 · · Score: 1

    The online community is growing and Hollywood may have tv but the people in power on the internet are fellow slashdotters. We need to use the internet to our advantage and massivly rally support for our cause.

  74. The problem with the resolution.... by Neutropia_1 · · Score: 1

    The resolution of informing the general public about this matter is the best solution there is. However, since most of the large TV networks out there are owned by most of the media giants to begin with - do you think that they will really do a story on this? Hellllll no!

    They will most likely try and kill it before it surfaces, so that they'll be in the same position as the the MPAA and RIAA.

    The only REAL way to pass this on to the joe schmoe is to FORWARD the addresses of the article and the bill of rights to EVERYONE YOU KNOW - and tell them to do the same!

    Look how fast email virus hoaxes poliferate, why can't we do the same with this? LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!

    1. Re:The problem with the resolution.... by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      Neutropia_1 wrote:
      > Look how fast email virus hoaxes poliferate, why
      > can't we do the same with this? LET YOUR VOICE BE
      > HEARD!

      The problem here is that the same people who are aware of and against this DRM/DMCA/SSSCA crap are also vehemently against the idea of spamming, in all forms. I, personally, only dislike commercial spam or any kind of spam in which their was a conscious and intentional effort to thwart filtering, but many people here dont want any spamming. I also think it would be rather hypocritical to go about violating peoples privacy rights en masse scale to tell them about corporate America trying to... violate their rights on a massive scale.

  75. New business model? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    "If someone figured out how to unlock the gas in the gas station, people would be outraged," Mr. Eisner added. "They wouldn't say to the oil industry, `You need a different business model.' "

    Yes they would. Gas is easy to go buy. There's really no need to try to steal it. There'd be far more drive-offs if people were really trying to steal gas. But let me tell you something, if companies who sell gasoline played games with how much people could by (like they cannot buy gas for their lawnmower), then they just might steal it. In which case, the oil industry would HAVE to have a new business model.

    If Eisner really wants to liken Disney to the oil company, then this is a more accurate assesment:

    - Gas can only work in cars, it may not be used in any other vehicle like a lawnmower.

    - You have to pay for gas while you are using it. So if you are going up a hill, gas costs more.

    - You're not allowed to try to make your own fuel.

    - Disney has the right to tell you if you can drive or not.

    - You may only buy a full tank of gas, you may not purchase only a gallon.

    - The gas you bought will not work in anoter car, so you cannot sell your gas to somebody else.

    - You're not allowed to store gas in a 1-gallon container, even though it is more convienient and you've paid for it.

    If Disney ran the oil companies, and they played games like this, they're basically forcing people to acquire gas through 'unofficial channels'. The RIAA and the MPAA are basically entrapping people by not providing into the market people want to buy content in. "We're not going to sell into that market, but damn you if you try to get it anyway."

    I think the end of the RIAA and the MPAA is on the horizon . It's like refusing to turn when the road is swerving to the right.

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    1. Re:New business model? by QuackQuack · · Score: 1

      And under no circumstances could you put your gas in a portable generator, because that would steal profits from the electric industry

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    2. Re:New business model? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the end of the RIAA and the MPAA is on the horizon . It's like refusing to turn when the road is swerving to the right.


      Precisely. The problem is that the entertainment industry is Hell-bent on driving over the edge of the cliff -- and taking our Constitution, Bill of Rights, tech sector, and economy down with it.

      When a Senator proposes a bill that would make it illegal for NASA employees to operate the Hubble Space Telescope, to "protect" the profit margins of studios who are either (a) reliving VCR-style hysteria, (b) trying to obtain unwarranted levels of control over our lives, or (c) both, you know things have gotten way out of hand.
  76. But ... by pcwhalen · · Score: 1
    ... we already have these rights. From the website:
    "Justice Sandra Day O'Connor writing for the Supreme Court in Feist Publications, Inc. v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 US 340,349. "The primary objective of copyright is not to reward the labor of authors, but '[t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts.' To this end, copyright assures authors the right to their original expression, but encourages others to build freely upon the ideas and information conveyed by a work."
    We don't need new laws. We need to enforce the current ones. That's the point. The fair use doctrine allows you to do all the things the "E Bill of Rights" purports to do. The lobbying group is what's important.

    When members of Congress like Rep Boucher hear from constituants they are displeased with laws that cotton to the entertainment industry [with its own very wealthy lobby effort pouring millions to Senators] they love it. They know we vote. Let them know it. Help them help us.
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  77. Fair use is self-explanatory. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are honest with yourself.
    You know what fair means.

    It all boils down to this.

    DON'T FILE SWAP CONTENT WITH ANYBODY BUT YOURSELF.

    I'll say it again.

    DON'T FILE SWAP CONTENT WITH ANYBODY BUT YOURSELF.

    Once you give the content companies who had been
    grudginly living with cassettes and vcrs, the excuse ( rampant illegal file sharing ) to have
    laws reopened to address this issue ,you know
    they are going to go for broke.
    IOW, try and get as close to complete control as
    possible.

    So why give them the chance?

    Give up on illegal file swapping, and help
    protect legitimate fair use.

    The position of this new group is as good as we will get.

    It's time for Geeks to Dummy Up.

  78. If you're going to fax them.. by TrebleJunkie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I filled out the fax form, but I made a few changes to the default letter. You're all invited to use - - and in the further interest of fair use, to modify and add your own thoughts - - my version of the message, listed below:

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    You and your colleagues have recieved letters or faxes from me in the past regarding issues of Consumer Technology. While the are no doubt recieving a number of faxes that look very similar to this one, I urge to you read this one completely. While most of this letter was written by members of DigitalConsumer.org -- they've already stated things better than I could -- I have added a few of my own thoughts.

    As a constituent, an ardent consumer of digital media, an artist, musician, author, and software developer, I write again today to urge you to support a Consumer Technology Bill of Rights, and to express my concerns about the recent trend toward allowing one-sided copyright laws to eliminate my Fair Use rights.

    Historically, our country has enjoyed a balance between the rights of copyright holders and the rights of citizens who legally acquire copyrighted works. Generally speaking, rights holders have the exclusive right to distribute and profit from artistic works. Consumers like me who legally acquire these works are free to use them in most noncommercial ways. Unfortunately, this balance has shifted dramatically in recent years, much to the detriment of consumers.

    To prevent further erosion of my rights, I would like to add my voice to DigitalConsumer.org in calling for a "consumer technology bill of rights". It is simply an attempt to assert positively the public's personal use rights. These rights are not new; they are historic rights granted in previous legislation and court rulings that have over the last four years been whittled away.

    Under the guise of "preventing illegal copying" I believe media companies are vilifying their customers - people like me - and using the legislative process to stifle outside innovation and create new lines of business at my expense. Legitimate, legal devices and methods for Fair Use copying, time- or media-shifting -- privileges that I am granted under both Constitutional and Federal Law -- are being outlawed because of the possibility that they may be used for widespread copyright infringement. Content licenses are becoming more and more restrictive, too. I can recall a recent case where the license of a particular electronic book forbid the content of the book to be spoken aloud! And another case where consumers were cease-and-desisted because they figured out how to use a hardware -- hardware! -- bar code scanner that the company had given them to read bar codes other than the ones that the company had intended them to read. Can you imagine the state of the country if Goodyear tires could only be used on roads that Goodyear approved of, or if people were forced not to use timesaving or lifesaving products or information because to do so was not the use the manufacturer had intended for their product?

    The goal of the media companies seems to be to create a legal system that takes away my long-cherished personal use rights and my right to innovate, and then to charge me additional fees to regain those rights! These companies should be encouraged to examine and reform their products and business models, not to infringe upon my rights.

    Copy protection, especially to prevent overseas piracy for illicit sale, is an important issue. But before Congress considers yet another change in the law at the behest of the copyright holders, I urge you in the strongest possible terms to protect my Fair Use rights. I don't pirate software. I don't pirate music. Yet, what the media companies have done and are doing with laws like the DMCA and proposals like the SSSCA will have great negative impact on my rights, and what I choose to do, within the real of fair use, with content I license or own.

    Thank you very much for your attention to this important matter.

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    Ed R.Zahurak

    You know, oblivion keeps looking better every day.

  79. Change Models by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    "without copyright protection we will change our business models".

    damn right you will you little pigs. Just like you would have to change it if you were an oil company and i invented a new type of engine that was far more effiecient, cheap and powerful than anything else, but didn't run on any of your products.

    People are going to buy, or build PVRs and they are going to record stuff. Sure it maybe illigal but thats for the customers. People are going to build them, and you are damn well going to change your business model.

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  80. We don't need rights, we need choice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It appears to me that pushing such a "bill of rights" is not necessarily a good thing for everybody.

    Basically, the bill of rights would mean that every piece of media content is mine for eternity, and that I could use it whenever and wherever I want. All those rights clearly have value (otherwise there would not be such a big discussion about them), which means that I will have to pay for them!! But maybe I don't want to do that / don't need all these rights all of the time. Perhaps, for some of my media purchases, I would be quite happy to waive some of my rights, if that meant that I could purchase the media at a lower price reflecting the lesser rights.

    So, instead of "forcing" these rights onto everything and making everybody pay for rights that they may not need, we really need to make sure that consumers have proper choice and can choose/bundle the rights they want. If someone wants the whole menu of rights, let them pay for them - if not, let them listen to the CD only once and charge them only, say, $1 (instead of full price now) for the privilege.

  81. Replaced their default with this: by PotatoHead · · Score: 2

    Just more fuel for those wanting to actually write letters.

    Copy, mix, paste. (Hmm.. Kind of like Rip, Mix Burn huh?)

    I am writing you today to urge you to seriously consider supporting the development of a consumer technology bill of rights. One such effort can be found here: http://www.digitalconsumer.org

    Until now, our nation has employed a careful balance between the rights granted to copyright holders and those granted to citizens making use of protected content. These rights have enabled those who create and distribute content to generate wealth while allowing content to eventually pass into public domain in order to fuel future content creation.

    Fair use also plays an important part in this balance. Today citizens who legally obtain content are free to use it in most non noncommercial ways such as time shifting, space shifting, and archive creation and use. These uses provide good value to consumers today. Fair use also permits many adademic uses of works that may or may not be endorsed by the creators, but are vital to the growth of our culture and society in general.

    The efforts today to reduce the volume of content returned today to the public domain will reduce the quality and creative character of future content without any real benefit to society other than increased profits for the content creators. This is not what copyright was intended to do.

    I am also concerned over the many efforts to eliminate or sharply constrain the scope of Fair Use. A reduction in Fair Use will have negative long term effects on our ability to understand the nature and worth of technology put forth in the future. These reductions will also come at our expense without any real benefit to society in general other than increased profits for the content creators.

    The digital consumer today is under represented compared to the technology and content creators. The rapid pace of technology today makes it difficult for most of us to be reasonably informed about the technology that has a growing influence on our day to day lives. Through history, invention has changed our world in remarkable ways. We live now in a time where invention is again changing how our world works. Protecting the economic interests of a few large corporations now is just as wrong as it has been in the past.

    Given the relative youth of digital technology and our limited understanding of its long term effects on society today, efforts such as the Consumer Technology Bill of Rights seek to establish a foundation upon which technology and content creators can innovate fairly while preserving every citizens essential freedoms in the process. Maintaining the checks and balances necessary for fair and just growth is a must and efforts such as the Consumer Technology Bill of rights represent a much needed vehicle to properly balance technology growth in the future.

    Thank you for your time and consideration. I value it.

  82. One questions, Why the hell does /. use Paypall? by G00F · · Score: 1

    I mean look http://slashdot.org/subscribe.pl Yes yes, I know they state http://slashdot.org/faq/subscriptions.shtml#ss400 _because its eays this way_.

    Is it really that hard to take cc sales over the net? I've never programed a cc transaction, but the rest is rather simple, encrypted page, database, etc. One to two days of work, pluss the time it takes to get the sales use of a credit card.

    Now /. choses to portray paypall as the evil it is. But what I don't get is why they insist on making them money, and to alienate us uses so much?

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  83. BAH! by G00F · · Score: 1

    Bah! That's what I get for having to many windows open with more than one /..

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=29457&cid=31 63 736

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  84. Night of the living DCMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's another big piece of the puzzle this didn't mention. With the DMCA, etc. the copyright on protected material is effectively eternal. Even without the senators from Walt's Dead Now Enterprises extending it every few years. The balance in exclusive copyright lies in the limited term, with the work reverting to public domain upon expiration. With content protected by means that don't expire and for which tools to remove them are unlawful, the work never enters the public domain.

  85. NOA to Sue for Flash Advance Linkers by yerricde · · Score: 1

    I think I read somewhere that the video game industry is bigger than hollywood, and they don't seem to b*ch nearly as much, while their medium is solely computers.

    Nintendo has threatened to sue those who distribute legitimate homebrew GBA development hardware.

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  86. NYT Article by gnugnugnu · · Score: 1
    Im not gonna sign up for a NYT account

    is this the same article?

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=76 &u=/nyt/20020314/tc_nyt/piracy__or_innovation__it_ s_hollywood_vs__high_tech

  87. Sorry for always talking about South Park by JohnDenver · · Score: 2

    If you want the media companies back in line, unplug your television and start talking to people about something other than SouthPark for a change.

    It's funny, I'll be at work and I'll be talking part in a group conversation, you know, the kind where everybody's escalating who can be the wittiest! You know?

    Then, I'll see a reference to a South Park episode that NOBODY will see, and I'll make a reference to it and everybody is silent as my poignant insight leaves them disoriented. Ha!

    It's just that, I can find a way to reference South Park in ANY, and I mean ANY conversation!!!

    There's an old addage from the newspaper business which is very applicable here: Only a fool would start a publicity fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel.

    What do you think alternative media aims to do in the first place?

    Seriously though, if you want to really cheese the media conglomerates, you have to fight them with the truth, smothered with an exquisite glaze of wit and sattire.

    In this case, the topic being presented are by default, shrilly and droning, and you'd have to be pretty fucking entertaining and insightful to educate people on this shit.

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  88. A Heartfelt Reply by JohnDenver · · Score: 2

    Dear Billy,

    Thank you for letting me know what I already know. I understand the issue, but it seems you don't understand that I don't really care about your "rights" to be entertained. Now listen little Billy, you'll always be able to watch TV and movies you want, we're just making sure that the other kids don't ruin free entertainment for everyone.

    You see Billy, there's a lot of money to be made by pacifying the ignorant masses to keep them from killing each other and the rest of us who want to make this world a decent place to live without having to worry about migrant hoards of sodomizing hippies who smoke "dope" and play their anti-establishment MP3s on their computers running that communist operating system Linux.

    Earth and Justice to you, Fcuky!!!

    Your Congressman,

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    "Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
  89. First, lengthen Mickey Mouse's life in profits... by smagruder · · Score: 2

    Is it just me or does Disney have some sort of evil "anti-consumer, anti-public domain" plan in store for us (to Disney, its loyal subjects)? This sounds quite plausible, given their recent activities.

    But alas, our (new?) friend Andy Grove pins it on the head in the NYT article: "Is it the responsibility of the world at large to protect an industry whose business model is facing a strategic challenge?" I guess now we know what entertainment company has the most to fear from the future. And this is the same company that gave us FutureWorld.

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    Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
  90. Is it just me, or did someone spill pink ink... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ...on the Wall Street Journal? I thought the editorial page and everything around Dow Jones, Inc. was saturated in a kooky admixture of Libertarianism "except for things like prayer in school". I always had this vision of stepping out my front door, landlocked in private property, walking/driving/running through turnstile after turnstile, tossing in tokens to a thousand landlords all the way to the store, work, wherever--all in order to live in the "utopia". You know. I'm talking about the alliance, the the Private-Property-Is-God theocracy of the folks in Orange County (CA) and the Wall St. "financial community" (oxymoron, taking them at their word) despising public ownership of much of anything. Could it be that "right wing purposes" like the pursuit of profit and private pleasures are served by exploiting and funding a commons (including media essentially controlled by its consumers with ((gasp)) consumer protection laws)?

    The next thing you know, Mr. Lessing (accompanied by Al Sharpton, the surviving Grateful Dead, and Noam Chomsky) will be sitting on those starchy sofas, functioning as a wink sinks for Louis Rukeyser on Friday nights! :-D

  91. We're Getting Screwed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    These elitists in congress, the RIAA, and the MPAA are basically calling the American public a bunch of DISHONEST THEIVES.

    I cannot believe that there is not more public outrage about this issue. It's likely that most people really don't know that this is going on. They basically passed the DMCA before the public at large could really get a handle on the situation.

    It seems that the vast majority of "Net savvy" individuals are quite alarmed that the Judiciary Committee is even discussing something like the SSSCA. However, I don't think that the online community as a whole can do much other than stall for time by making noise.

    I think if put to a vote, most Americans would vote to change the law to PROHIBIT COPY PROTECTION. There's no way we should let the big industries decide our digital rights.

    Anyway, I put up a website soliciting comments at http://www.protectfairuse.com/ I hope to collect comments in bulk and send them to the boneheads considering the SSSCA.

    We ought to be informing everybody we know about the issue and encouraging them to send their comments to Congress.

  92. Flame Bait? Fuck you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT is a relevant question to the topic. Dont mod me down just because you dont agree with the comment.