He's not a thief, as he stole nothing. It may be a violation of another law, but it's not shoplifting or burglary. Seriously, piracy != thievery.
He now owns something that a person (or group of people) produced and expected payment for. He didn't pay for it. Therefore has prevented the creators from receiving the money they are due. He has stolen directly from them.
Your tired argument, which pirates have been using since C-64 games were copied with dual-tape deck stereos, doesn't work. Try to convince a jury downloading something that people are expected to purchase isn't theft. You'll never do it.
I returned it and copied it from some p2p network. I don't like to do it, but I had no choice if I wanted to listen to it.
You had a number of choices.
1) You could've kept it, downloaded the songs, and listened to them. At least then you would've paid for music, which is the legal thing to do.
2) You could've returned it, explained why you were returning it, written a letter to the music company explain what you did, and then chosen to not buy any more copy protected CDs.
If you had kept the CD and then been found out the idea of Fair Use would've been arguable.
As it is you're now just a common thief, and highlighting the exact reason the RIAA is doing all of this crap.
My question is-- what took IBM so long to do this? Or are their lawyers that slow?
Yeah, why aren't IBM's lawyers knee-jerk, arm-chair experts like everyone else? What the heck is IBM paying them for - to take their time, do their research, make sure they present facts not just heresay or inuendo, and generally make sure the issue is understood completely before they talk about it?
IBM's just pissin' money away with those guys on board!
You'd need the lift capacity of a Shuttle + the lift capacity of a Soyuz just to get the whole thing into space. With $/pound-lifted costs being as high as they are it's just not feasible to do something like you suggest.
Well, it would have made more sense to have kept selling the product to Mac users until it was no longer profitable.
That is pretty much what Adobe did. They sold 6/6.5 until the time that they decided to make 7. At that point they decided that it wouldn't be profitable to create a codebase (since they started over from scratch) that supported both XP and OSX. The decided the money was in the Windows side and made the decision to not do an OS X version.
No where have they said that they will stop selling 6.5 for the Mac. They've just said that Premiere Pro (aka 7) will not be coming out on the Mac.
Yesterday's interview, McBride stated that the case is entering a 'discovery' phase - this clearly indicates that SCO is only interested in FUD, and not a quick court action.
That 'discovery phase' that you incorrectly put into quotes isn't some made up thing that SCO is using to delay a court action. Discovery is a part of every litigation that happens. Unlike TV courtroom dramas where the defense introduces some amazing new evidence at the last minute, thus saving the day, in real court cases both sides know *everything* the other side knows *before* the trial even starts. There are no surprises and no 11th hour miracles.
The fact that the litigation is now in discovery does not in any way, shape, or form, indicate that SCO is just interested in FUD.
Geez, if you can't be bothered to learn even a little bit of how the court system works at least go rent a copy of, "My Cousin Vinny". Discovery is covered very well in that movie by Marisa Tomei.
well, chances are the server is running Exchange 5.5, which means it is time for an upgrade anyway.
Why would it be time for an upgrade? This is the same question that started this thread. If your server is running NT4 and the applications you use, and there is nothing inherently wrong with it....why upgrade?
So, while switching from NT4 to Linux w/Samba you now think they should switch from Exchange & Outlook to either some other commercial package or a mythical OSS package. Either solution will require both a new server and new clients, since Outlook won't do collaboration without Exchange.
The cost of a new mail system, migrating all of the existing data from the current mail system, and retraining all of the employees on the new mail clients is an unnecessary, and potentially large, cost the company would have to swallow.
That free Linux server and SAMBA is sure starting to cost a lot.
Longhorn users may be waiting until 2005 for their next release, but I doubt theyâ(TM)ll have spent $460 or $690 by that point on keeping their OS up to date.
I was going to say something almost identical to that. Yes, OSX is impressive. The pricing plan, though, is absolutely disgusting
Come on guys. You need storage and not a 64 meg stick to do video editing.
The article talks about using the JVC Io's USB port to control certain JVC USB equipped camcorders. It doesn't mention *anything* about using the Io as storage.
I'm interested in this. Even if the Io can do something as simple as read my JVC DV camcorder's timecode and give me the ability to log tape as I go, that would rock. Especially if the logging software stored the In-Out points as a standard format that any NLE could read in. Even for my amateur video work that would save me a *lot* of time.
Solo'd at 12 and got cleared for my checkride at 42.3. 40hr hours is as accurate a number as any---as long as the person is committed to getting their license.
A pilot's license will run you, on average, about $5,000.00. That can vary depending on how many hours you need before you're cleared for your checkride, but $5k is a pretty decent round estimate.
That leaves $10k. Most places charge (again on average), about $80 - $85 per hour for a rental Cessna 172. Even using the $85 number that equals about 118 hours of pilot-in-command time. Figure abot 40 hrs to get the license and that means $15k will get you a real life pilot's license and about 160 hours of flight time.
That's a far better value, with some tangible returns for the money invested, than a bunch of PCs that will be obsolete in 3 years and just simulated stick time.
The book started off making me feel stupider than I actually am. This oftentimes discourages readers from pursuing, and the book takes to the shelf, perhaps never to be picked up again.
I,for one, can say that you being made to feel more stupid than you actually are has never discouraged me from reading a book.
IIRC, Winshit(sic) (allegedly?) uses a network stack copied from BSD. BSD is an often-theorized alternative source for the "stolen" code, and this could make M$ just as liable.
Completely wrong for two reasons:
1) Chances are high that the offending code is not a network stack
2) Microsoft just purchased a license for UnixWare from SCO. We don't know the details of that licensing agreement. For all we know, if M$ has any of this (supposed) stolen code in Windows they may have just paid SCO off for the rights to use it.
Then again, I susped(sic) M$(sic) has resulted(sic) to just plain stealing much of the code in windows(sic)
And your allegation is based on what, exactly?
If I request the windows(sic) source code, does the NDA prohibit me from ratting out such stolen code?
Would you even understand what you were looking at?
By now people hip to the open source concept use OpenOffice.org for everyday applications, yet MS Office is still the predominant application in the home and workplace. Many educated people have still not heard of it. Why?"
Because Open Source users are a subset of Educated People, not the other way around.
If "insightful" = "ill-informed ranting" on Slashdot then I guess your post qualifies for the rating it currently has.
Let's break your argument down point by point and tear it apart, shall we?
a) Microsoft is not selling Windows at $1 per copy. It's selling at $50/copy. Various other posts here will point you to information about how that is not below cost for Windows. Therefore MS is not engaging in predatory pricing or dumping.
b) If your argument were true, then it would be illegal for Linux to be distributed for free, as you can't beat free and that would prevent anyone from entering the OS market.
Your thoughts on how capitalism should work and how it can work are not the same. Your thoughts are the incorrect view.
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That's not at all correct. Microsoft has had deskman.exe, part of the freely available PowerToys, since (at least) Windows 2000.
He now owns something that a person (or group of people) produced and expected payment for. He didn't pay for it. Therefore has prevented the creators from receiving the money they are due. He has stolen directly from them.
Your tired argument, which pirates have been using since C-64 games were copied with dual-tape deck stereos, doesn't work. Try to convince a jury downloading something that people are expected to purchase isn't theft. You'll never do it.
If you're willing to believe everything the RIAA says, then the battle has already been lost. Has this claim by the RIAA ever been upheld in court?
You had a number of choices. 1) You could've kept it, downloaded the songs, and listened to them. At least then you would've paid for music, which is the legal thing to do. 2) You could've returned it, explained why you were returning it, written a letter to the music company explain what you did, and then chosen to not buy any more copy protected CDs. If you had kept the CD and then been found out the idea of Fair Use would've been arguable. As it is you're now just a common thief, and highlighting the exact reason the RIAA is doing all of this crap.
Yeah, why aren't IBM's lawyers knee-jerk, arm-chair experts like everyone else? What the heck is IBM paying them for - to take their time, do their research, make sure they present facts not just heresay or inuendo, and generally make sure the issue is understood completely before they talk about it?
IBM's just pissin' money away with those guys on board!
If you're paying someone so you can download craptastic MIDI files then this security flaw is the least of your problems.
If one Slashdot editor can post a story though doesn't that mean that some other Slashdot editor could do the same?
You'd need the lift capacity of a Shuttle + the lift capacity of a Soyuz just to get the whole thing into space. With $/pound-lifted costs being as high as they are it's just not feasible to do something like you suggest.
That is pretty much what Adobe did. They sold 6/6.5 until the time that they decided to make 7. At that point they decided that it wouldn't be profitable to create a codebase (since they started over from scratch) that supported both XP and OSX. The decided the money was in the Windows side and made the decision to not do an OS X version.
No where have they said that they will stop selling 6.5 for the Mac. They've just said that Premiere Pro (aka 7) will not be coming out on the Mac.
Oh well.
Get over it Marc, they sucked.
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That 'discovery phase' that you incorrectly put into quotes isn't some made up thing that SCO is using to delay a court action. Discovery is a part of every litigation that happens. Unlike TV courtroom dramas where the defense introduces some amazing new evidence at the last minute, thus saving the day, in real court cases both sides know *everything* the other side knows *before* the trial even starts. There are no surprises and no 11th hour miracles.
The fact that the litigation is now in discovery does not in any way, shape, or form, indicate that SCO is just interested in FUD.
Geez, if you can't be bothered to learn even a little bit of how the court system works at least go rent a copy of, "My Cousin Vinny". Discovery is covered very well in that movie by Marisa Tomei.
Why would it be time for an upgrade? This is the same question that started this thread. If your server is running NT4 and the applications you use, and there is nothing inherently wrong with it....why upgrade?
So, while switching from NT4 to Linux w/Samba you now think they should switch from Exchange & Outlook to either some other commercial package or a mythical OSS package. Either solution will require both a new server and new clients, since Outlook won't do collaboration without Exchange. The cost of a new mail system, migrating all of the existing data from the current mail system, and retraining all of the employees on the new mail clients is an unnecessary, and potentially large, cost the company would have to swallow. That free Linux server and SAMBA is sure starting to cost a lot.
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I was going to say something almost identical to that. Yes, OSX is impressive. The pricing plan, though, is absolutely disgusting
The article talks about using the JVC Io's USB port to control certain JVC USB equipped camcorders. It doesn't mention *anything* about using the Io as storage.
I'm interested in this. Even if the Io can do something as simple as read my JVC DV camcorder's timecode and give me the ability to log tape as I go, that would rock. Especially if the logging software stored the In-Out points as a standard format that any NLE could read in. Even for my amateur video work that would save me a *lot* of time.
Solo'd at 12 and got cleared for my checkride at 42.3. 40hr hours is as accurate a number as any---as long as the person is committed to getting their license.
A pilot's license will run you, on average, about $5,000.00. That can vary depending on how many hours you need before you're cleared for your checkride, but $5k is a pretty decent round estimate. That leaves $10k. Most places charge (again on average), about $80 - $85 per hour for a rental Cessna 172. Even using the $85 number that equals about 118 hours of pilot-in-command time. Figure abot 40 hrs to get the license and that means $15k will get you a real life pilot's license and about 160 hours of flight time. That's a far better value, with some tangible returns for the money invested, than a bunch of PCs that will be obsolete in 3 years and just simulated stick time.
Really? The last time I checked the local BestBuy still only had 1 shelf of Mac software. The local Circuit City still had 0 shelves of Mac software.
the only thing that might make the PC platform attractive...
would be the wide availability of any type of software a person could be looking for. That level of choice just isn't available with the Mac.
I,for one, can say that you being made to feel more stupid than you actually are has never discouraged me from reading a book.
Completely wrong for two reasons:
1) Chances are high that the offending code is not a network stack
2) Microsoft just purchased a license for UnixWare from SCO. We don't know the details of that licensing agreement. For all we know, if M$ has any of this (supposed) stolen code in Windows they may have just paid SCO off for the rights to use it.
Then again, I susped(sic) M$(sic) has resulted(sic) to just plain stealing much of the code in windows(sic)
And your allegation is based on what, exactly?
If I request the windows(sic) source code, does the NDA prohibit me from ratting out such stolen code?
Would you even understand what you were looking at?
By now people hip to the open source concept use OpenOffice.org for everyday applications, yet MS Office is still the predominant application in the home and workplace. Many educated people have still not heard of it. Why?" Because Open Source users are a subset of Educated People, not the other way around.
If "insightful" = "ill-informed ranting" on Slashdot then I guess your post qualifies for the rating it currently has. Let's break your argument down point by point and tear it apart, shall we? a) Microsoft is not selling Windows at $1 per copy. It's selling at $50/copy. Various other posts here will point you to information about how that is not below cost for Windows. Therefore MS is not engaging in predatory pricing or dumping. b) If your argument were true, then it would be illegal for Linux to be distributed for free, as you can't beat free and that would prevent anyone from entering the OS market. Your thoughts on how capitalism should work and how it can work are not the same. Your thoughts are the incorrect view.