as it becomes easier and easier to invent and create, the intellectually property of such gets longer and longer term and more controlled.
Don't believe me?
I think SCO is a very good example, in many ways.... hell you don't even have to invent or create to anything to make your claim to fame and fortune....
What should be happening is that the term length should be getting shorter and control should be being removed....
How does an inventor or creator get a return?
Far better than they are now!!!
Just because you can invent or create, there is no proof that there is some magical power included or connected to such that says you will know best how to market or distribute it....
If such marketing and distribution is open to all to do, simply paying back to the inventor or creator, some reasonable percentage..... then invention and creation will flourish, instead of marketing monopolies...playing constrained stradegy games over consumer choice.
"Ok, so go get Windows, which will *for sure* need those terabytes of harddisk your are willing to give it... and the full set of security bugs, too."
That's a Microsoft Problem, this is a linux thread. Solution: don't use MS products "for sure".
"On the other hand, when you are doing *serious work* you just can not afford those wasted terabytes ( 150MB crap per machine among 1000 machines anyone? ) HD or gigabytes memory when you have to get work done. Serving 50k concurrent users is not the same as showing a neat "teletubby-like" desktop."
if you are doing such "serious work" then I certainly hope you are wise enough to give yourself a much larger buffer in sum for 1000 machines or 50K users, than the space of such programs. Furthermore I suspect that you'd be running a network for such a large number of machines and user count, where there wouldn't be such a massive multipul copies of programs but rather only a few copies at most... unless you are running a teletubby-like" network and have serious big brother eyes watching ever action and data space taking move of each and every user. You know, for the censorship of pr0n by the human nature of users. But tnen maybe you are in teh pr0n business....
"Having *completely unnecesary* programs installed is not only a space waste but a tremendous security risk. I need not another "critical security problem" in a component which i didn't even know was there[ and i have been a professional Win32 programmer & sysadmin], which i didn't ask to get installed and which i certainly do not need.""
Well that explains it all then. You need MS/Win32 mindset detox.
Hint:the biggest security risk that MS is guilty of instigating is user stupidity (i.e. keeping the user ignorant of the Third User Interface while telling everyone else how to gain access to a users system thru this UI of ports.)
Let the user become educated and in control over ports and then nobody can enter without the users knowledge or prior agreement. Or do you use locks on your home doors that have keys which are generally available to anyone?
Isn't this really more along teh lines of marketing hype then it is general user useful?
Come on now, we no longer have sub 50Mhz CPUs (but many times that and getting faster),all the expensive backup media we used to use has been replaced with CD/DVD writers (and that's only going to improve), general storage/access media (hard drives) are far more massive in storage space than the old 120Meg drives and and even far more inexpensive (the larger the drive the cheaper per Meg you pay)....ETC...
And HEY, we can even use more ram bits for dates, avoiding things like Y2K... Or is not gigs of ram not enough?
Is it really a value to have injected additional parts complexity to have to deal with?
What is the trade off? You use up a little less drive space, maybe make a fraction better use of your CPU, use a little less ram space and backup media....in exchange for....
Additional complexity to allow you to screw things up more often...
Hell, just wait 6-18 months and get a new faster, larger storage, more ranm, etc... system.... The cost difference will be less than what you might spend in maintaining componentalized linux.
Hell, I really like the Live CD concept, where it determines what hardware you have and auto-configures.....but all from a standard full package.
thats a tough call... considering google reaches beyond the geeks but Slashdot has higher frequency of slashdottin... uh err google blastin... uh errr...
there is no way that one person or even a small group can create a worm that takes down linux or FOSS.
Anyone who thinks so is demented.... And I guess that means you Bruce.
Honestly, who the hell cares about SCO anymore?
SCO themselves have blown the shit out of their own case..... We all know its a pump and dump...
cheering on a boston tea party is only possible because the legal system of the US has allowed this mess to get as far as it has publicly.
Ultimately it has only served to let the general public know there is an alternative to Windows and Mac.....
The idea of blaming the whole of FOSS for the expression the worm writter communicated is totally insane, but so what if some cheer for the statement...
ISN'T it really just a statement of telling SCO to either put up or shut up?
What the legal system has so completely failed to do!!!
When was the last time you read the declairation of Independance Bruce?
Spam will be reduced as part of..., MS will make such improvement that in a decade they wil look back and laff at their own stupidity.
For the last few weekends I have been batteling Windows98 on my system (I will not upgrade/send any more money to MS - nor will I sacrifice my investments in third party software).
What I have found out is that MS doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, they cause tons more bandwidth to be taken up on the internet then they need to and while creating temporary internet files in the hidden content.ie5 directory which they obviously don't need to do given the bandwidth they use up on teh internet.... etc...
and this is only just the tip of the iceburg of the crap I have been becomming aware of in regards to consumer deception by MS....
So yeah... Linux is forcing MS to clean up their act and in such ways that MS will stop generating so damn much bandwidth and resulting contribution to spam while laffing about how damn stupid they made the general users who were stupid enough to believe MS.
In other words: The problems MS talks about solving only exist because they created the problems or greatly helpped to, in teh first place.
NO WAY IN HELL should they be given honorable credit for cleaning their act up.
Instead they should be charged by teh open source community for detoxing them (MS) as well as charged for consumer deception in their intent on making people need them via deception.
I posted This response to another earlier thread/news topic.
Without reading the article I noticed the MS icon was attached to this article. I find it interesting the amount of time I spend cussing and being generally pissed off at MS for the absolute BS (consumer frustration function) I've come to recognize is incorporated into Windows. Probably as a matter of trying to "make people need MS" so as to assist MS in extracting excessive profits from consumers.
I find it interesting that MS is becomming synonymous (sp?) with user frustration and extra work.
Just last week I concluded that my CDRW/DVD ROM was going bad so I went out and bought an Iomega external USB CDRW/DVD for about $100. After going thru the full scope of trying to get the Windows box to recognize the existance of the device (hey it says its win98 compatable on teh box) I had to return the unit to the store for a refund. As it turns out MS no longer supports Win98 and have since removed the patch from their site of which the Iomega software tries to access in order to fix the driver needed for the system to recognize the device.
Just for the hell of it, I plugged the device into my Linux box (no support for Linux is mentioned on the box) and booted the system up. I'll be damned, it recognized the device in the Gtoaster CD writting front end and I was able to access the table of contents of any cd I put in it. But I could do anything else with it. (Though I suspect I might just have only needed to properly mount the device.)
The conclusion being.... Wasn't it additional work for MS to remove the support that was already there on their update site? And it most certainly lead to a failure of the usability of an MS product while creating the appearance of an advertising deception by Iomega.
When I turn My Windows box on, I expect to be cussing MS for their arrogant ignorance within 10 minutes. To bad I have vested interest in additional software (but it could be worse, as I could have far more files in MS proprietary format).
Twice while installing competing products to MS I was presented with a warning or error message that said I had to shut down the system and reboot. I ignored the message and it eventually determined that I was ignoring it and went away. The competing software installed just fine, though MS products now (including windows itself) sometimes gives me error messages that it has to shut some program down ----- when in fact the user action that triggers off the mesage is my exiting/quiting such program. Wow! MS figured out how to build ARROGANCE into their products.Or maybe its just the manisfectation of the MS spirit into the product.
Ask the users what they want. Sorta give it to them (sell it to them) in part while then asking them to help debug it. Again selling them imcomplete upgrades and entrapping them in your proprietary property for which you got the ideas from them.. Repeat.
Now try telling MS to knock it the hell off.
Any questions as to why MS can not compete with FreeSoftware?
That way everyone will have an interest in seeing Iraq rebuilt and made safe and Iraq will also be able to better repay its debts...As apparently its oil is not enough.....
Slashdot Mirror
.....marketing hype....
And that is all it really is...
.... do you begin to realize linux and FOSS can make productive use of MS babel...
Who says Linux doesn't have the marketing muscle of MS?
Of course they do..... and the DOJ and EU guilty findings against MS help to clairify it.
....Jarjar Binks?
create a step for the consumer that is not needed and collect up monies from its use by consumers.
occums razor.... the simplest route is usually the one taken...
anyone remember when computers were marketed as a device that will make things simpler?
Anyone think to ask Disney?
as it becomes easier and easier to invent and create, the intellectually property of such gets longer and longer term and more controlled.
..... then invention and creation will flourish, instead of marketing monopolies...playing constrained stradegy games over consumer choice.
Don't believe me?
I think SCO is a very good example, in many ways.... hell you don't even have to invent or create to anything to make your claim to fame and fortune....
What should be happening is that the term length should be getting shorter and control should be being removed....
How does an inventor or creator get a return?
Far better than they are now!!!
Just because you can invent or create, there is no proof that there is some magical power included or connected to such that says you will know best how to market or distribute it....
If such marketing and distribution is open to all to do, simply paying back to the inventor or creator, some reasonable percentage
We all need to install internet cameras in our tolits...with a direct feed to the FBI.
Tradeshows are for one purpose and one purpose only. To Build A Contact List.
Nike no longer does tradshows, after years of doing multi-million dollar spending on them.
Why?
Because they know everybody they need to ever know.
How do I know this?
Its the business I'm in... tradeshows and corporae theater.
...Consumer deception....
at a level I believe is illegal...
... it knows how to lie real good.
I suspect Munich is now getting better offers to help them convert to linux.
"Ok, so go get Windows, which will *for sure* need those terabytes of harddisk your are willing to give it... and the full set of security bugs, too."
That's a Microsoft Problem, this is a linux thread. Solution: don't use MS products "for sure".
"On the other hand, when you are doing *serious work* you just can not afford those wasted terabytes ( 150MB crap per machine among 1000 machines anyone? ) HD or gigabytes memory when you have to get work done. Serving 50k concurrent users is not the same as showing a neat "teletubby-like" desktop."
if you are doing such "serious work" then I certainly hope you are wise enough to give yourself a much larger buffer in sum for 1000 machines or 50K users, than the space of such programs. Furthermore I suspect that you'd be running a network for such a large number of machines and user count, where there wouldn't be such a massive multipul copies of programs but rather only a few copies at most... unless you are running a teletubby-like" network and have serious big brother eyes watching ever action and data space taking move of each and every user. You know, for the censorship of pr0n by the human nature of users. But tnen maybe you are in teh pr0n business....
"Having *completely unnecesary* programs installed is not only a space waste but a tremendous security risk. I need not another "critical security problem" in a component which i didn't even know was there[ and i have been a professional Win32 programmer & sysadmin], which i didn't ask to get installed and which i certainly do not need.""
Well that explains it all then. You need MS/Win32 mindset detox.
Hint:the biggest security risk that MS is guilty of instigating is user stupidity (i.e. keeping the user ignorant of the Third User Interface while telling everyone else how to gain access to a users system thru this UI of ports.)
Let the user become educated and in control over ports and then nobody can enter without the users knowledge or prior agreement. Or do you use locks on your home doors that have keys which are generally available to anyone?
Again: seek MS mindset detox.
Isn't this really more along teh lines of marketing hype then it is general user useful?
Come on now, we no longer have sub 50Mhz CPUs (but many times that and getting faster),all the expensive backup media we used to use has been replaced with CD/DVD writers (and that's only going to improve), general storage/access media (hard drives) are far more massive in storage space than the old 120Meg drives and and even far more inexpensive (the larger the drive the cheaper per Meg you pay)....ETC...
And HEY, we can even use more ram bits for dates, avoiding things like Y2K... Or is not gigs of ram not enough?
Is it really a value to have injected additional parts complexity to have to deal with?
What is the trade off? You use up a little less drive space, maybe make a fraction better use of your CPU, use a little less ram space and backup media....in exchange for....
Additional complexity to allow you to screw things up more often...
Hell, just wait 6-18 months and get a new faster, larger storage, more ranm, etc... system.... The cost difference will be less than what you might spend in maintaining componentalized linux.
Hell, I really like the Live CD concept, where it determines what hardware you have and auto-configures.....but all from a standard full package.
.....Microsoft.
Let them continue to believe they can defeat FOSS
...the waring brats that spoil it for the rest of us?
Seems to me Free Software has helped to take the toys away from the sandbox bullies.
And the military budgets are certainly more than enough to address real world problems and solve them where the result will be a natural reduction in reason to create war.
So who is good enough to do this?
Hmmm... didn't it take many to do Free Software, not just one?
Does this mean we can now replace those lines and let the air out of the SCO tires?
lets not visit the links in the article....
you know... to be nice....
errr argggg.. eeeeaaahh.... I gotta I gotta...The temptation is just to strong....
Slashdot vs. Google....
thats a tough call... considering google reaches beyond the geeks but Slashdot has higher frequency of slashdottin... uh err google blastin... uh errr...
Well the competition is on....
Bruce is wrong.
there is no way that one person or even a small group can create a worm that takes down linux or FOSS.
Anyone who thinks so is demented.... And I guess that means you Bruce.
Honestly, who the hell cares about SCO anymore?
SCO themselves have blown the shit out of their own case..... We all know its a pump and dump...
cheering on a boston tea party is only possible because the legal system of the US has allowed this mess to get as far as it has publicly.
Ultimately it has only served to let the general public know there is an alternative to Windows and Mac.....
The idea of blaming the whole of FOSS for the expression the worm writter communicated is totally insane, but so what if some cheer for the statement...
ISN'T it really just a statement of telling SCO to either put up or shut up?
What the legal system has so completely failed to do!!!
When was the last time you read the declairation of Independance Bruce?
Spam will be reduced as part of..., MS will make such improvement that in a decade they wil look back and laff at their own stupidity.
For the last few weekends I have been batteling Windows98 on my system (I will not upgrade/send any more money to MS - nor will I sacrifice my investments in third party software).
What I have found out is that MS doesn't know what the fuck they are doing, they cause tons more bandwidth to be taken up on the internet then they need to and while creating temporary internet files in the hidden content.ie5 directory which they obviously don't need to do given the bandwidth they use up on teh internet.... etc...
and this is only just the tip of the iceburg of the crap I have been becomming aware of in regards to consumer deception by MS....
So yeah... Linux is forcing MS to clean up their act and in such ways that MS will stop generating so damn much bandwidth and resulting contribution to spam while laffing about how damn stupid they made the general users who were stupid enough to believe MS.
In other words: The problems MS talks about solving only exist because they created the problems or greatly helpped to, in teh first place.
NO WAY IN HELL should they be given honorable credit for cleaning their act up.
Instead they should be charged by teh open source community for detoxing them (MS) as well as charged for consumer deception in their intent on making people need them via deception.
Shit!! Now I'm OD'in .... guess I'll have to check into Charter or Betty Ford clinic...
Damn SCO is like a drug pusher...
That adding copy protection to things creates additional overhead and expense?
I posted This response to another earlier thread/news topic.
Without reading the article I noticed the MS icon was attached to this article. I find it interesting the amount of time I spend cussing and being generally pissed off at MS for the absolute BS (consumer frustration function) I've come to recognize is incorporated into Windows. Probably as a matter of trying to "make people need MS" so as to assist MS in extracting excessive profits from consumers.
I find it interesting that MS is becomming synonymous (sp?) with user frustration and extra work.
Just last week I concluded that my CDRW/DVD ROM was going bad so I went out and bought an Iomega external USB CDRW/DVD for about $100. After going thru the full scope of trying to get the Windows box to recognize the existance of the device (hey it says its win98 compatable on teh box) I had to return the unit to the store for a refund. As it turns out MS no longer supports Win98 and have since removed the patch from their site of which the Iomega software tries to access in order to fix the driver needed for the system to recognize the device.
Just for the hell of it, I plugged the device into my Linux box (no support for Linux is mentioned on the box) and booted the system up. I'll be damned, it recognized the device in the Gtoaster CD writting front end and I was able to access the table of contents of any cd I put in it. But I could do anything else with it. (Though I suspect I might just have only needed to properly mount the device.)
The conclusion being.... Wasn't it additional work for MS to remove the support that was already there on their update site? And it most certainly lead to a failure of the usability of an MS product while creating the appearance of an advertising deception by Iomega.
When I turn My Windows box on, I expect to be cussing MS for their arrogant ignorance within 10 minutes. To bad I have vested interest in additional software (but it could be worse, as I could have far more files in MS proprietary format).
Twice while installing competing products to MS I was presented with a warning or error message that said I had to shut down the system and reboot. I ignored the message and it eventually determined that I was ignoring it and went away. The competing software installed just fine, though MS products now (including windows itself) sometimes gives me error messages that it has to shut some program down ----- when in fact the user action that triggers off the mesage is my exiting/quiting such program. Wow! MS figured out how to build ARROGANCE into their products.Or maybe its just the manisfectation of the MS spirit into the product.
Cause the users make it what they want??
Ask the users what they want.
Sorta give it to them (sell it to them) in part while then asking them to help debug it. Again selling them imcomplete upgrades and entrapping them in your proprietary property for which you got the ideas from them..
Repeat.
Now try telling MS to knock it the hell off.
Any questions as to why MS can not compete with FreeSoftware?
... build the fusion reactor in Iraq.
That way everyone will have an interest in seeing Iraq rebuilt and made safe and Iraq will also be able to better repay its debts...As apparently its oil is not enough.....