Nice in theory, not in practice. If you want free movement of goods, you should also allow free movement of labor - after all, as per capitalist theory, labor is also a good. Wanna open up your borders completely then? Fight against millions of hungry, aggressive, undercutting Indians and Chinese for your job? If you ain't willing to have free movement of labor, don't talk about free movement of goods.
The US, till fairly recently used to have tariff walls that were a mile high. And even today, as someone else has pointed out, a lot of agricultural products in the US are still wall protected.
I can't believe this kind of idiotic remark gets a 5 rating. For this permission, Apple had to deal with the highest echelons of the Indian government, which in the last two years has been fully cleaned up by the new PM and his team. Broad brush remarks like this need to be voted down, not up!
5 bullies get together and decide that they are the only folks in the world who are allowed to eat cheese - called it the NCT. Some others decided not to pay attention to the NCT, made their own cheese and had it. Poor NCT "signatories" all got their panties into a twist! Ooooh! I love that squeezed balls look they've got!
Oh and I loved it so much! Little ol' India, unable to feed its populace, gave the middle finger to the West and exploded the nuke. How wonderful! Fricking Westerners, always full of knowledge and righteousness about everything! I remember a line from somewhere: My views may have changed but not the fact that I'm right! You know what's amazing? Despite being in one of the toughest neighborhoods around (Pakistan in the West, China in the East - both nuke powers), India's been ballsy enough to say "No first use". And Big Ol' Merica and Righteous Ol' Europa never said that. So mostly, whenever peeps start whining about India being irresponsible and mean and lying and all that, I have just one thing to say, "Kiss my ass".
I know you were probably just trying to make a point vis-a-vis Iran and nukes, but it's just that I am tired of my country being dragged in for comparisons like the one you did.
nitpicking, but anyone who has lived in Mumbai for long enough will know that this is not a picture from that city. Mumbai is a little bit more organized. --- feeling a little defensive because of the picture's name and the fact that i grew up in Mumbai. I agree with the overall idea, though.
Sorry, I am a bit confused. Isn't this discussion about quadcopters in general and their rescue role in specific? Why would the GP mention fixed wing, unless he thought them to be relevant to the discussion? For example, if you were discussing the merits of presidential democracy versus parliamentary democracy, and I jumped in to say that in Mussolini's fascist state, the trains always ran on time, would it not be proper for you to assume that i brought in fascism because i thought it had advantages over democracy? In which case, it would be perfectly fair for you to point out that if I had spoken out of turn in his regime, I would have been thrown straight under one of those efficiently running trains. Would it then make sense for someone else to pop up and say that my facism remark did not deserve your response because I was not making any comparison with democracy?
Read this: http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97jan/borlaug/borlaug.htm Thanks to people like Norman Borlaugh, developing countries like India have actually slowed down the rate of green cover destruction. In the last 60 years, India went from a "basket case" to a net exporter of food, with an increase of just 1% of its farming area. Short answer, stop worrying! Really!
If liberty means anything at all, it is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. - George Orwell what's wrong with insulting muslims, or christians, or hindus, or buddhists, or anyone at all, for holding on to a bunch of stupid beliefs? For example, as a atheist, I have to listen every day to people espousing their beliefs in some god or the other and just as often, insulting non-believers - is that acceptable? The "Holy Books" keep talking about death to infidels, and I never hear of demands to ban them for divisive behavior. What you are saying, sir, is that free speech should be toned down to not hurt the sentiments of the biggest and loudest bullies.
>Your problem is man dies - as you will, someday. so what? what exactly has the death of man got to do with the subject at hand?
> Your shining diety has clay feet. And how exactly? by dying? i thought jesus dies too? dont give me the reawakening crap. and anyways, what exactly does your statement have to do with the subject at hand? Wake up! Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie.
>Lets say you don't fear death - but what about God who judges after death? Your disbelief in him won't help a whit on the last day.
Repeat after me! Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie.Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie.Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie. got it? good! and do the world a favor will ya? stop threating on behalf of your favorite idol and stop warning people about how this idle idol is gonna kick ass on the last day?
Oh Yes, I work in Mumbai at a place called SEEPZ, which is a zone exclusively set up for software and gems exporters. In my previous company, we had a bunch of Romanians working here, for about 2-3 years before they all emigrated to the US or went back to Europe. The TCS people fed Soong some crock and he lapped it up. One question: If the people at Slashdot, including the Editors, are such supersmartypants, then how come that they are so paranoid of immigrants? Oh yes, I know, all of you people will jump up and say "No We aint. We just want to keep our jobs!", which to me kinda sounds like the refrain of all the car manufacturers who used to urge your Congress to not allow Japanese cars because its good to "Be American, Buy American"
Tolerance is a rare thing these days. Everyone claims to be tolerant but how many really are?
If you actually look up the law on this, you will find that some book publishers tried this stunt and were thrown out of the court for this. The "you may not resell" clause was regarded as illegal and invalid. No matter what they say, you CAN sell books.
If you read your history, Thomas Jeffersen specifically noted that the 'Hindoo', the 'Mohammeden' and the 'Infidel' too be left free to practise their religion in America, WHICH is why he wanted the constitution to separate state and religion... There are similar comments from the Adams guy (IIRC) Understand the implications of that. It means that the founding fathers KNEW about more than Christianity and Judaism. It seems to me then, that any attempt to read beyond the words of the constitution and look into the intent would show that the one to rwist the words of the constitution would be you. Suggestion: Read up on the constitution. Read up in the founding fathers and their letters and articles when the gr8 document was being created. Realize that you have been twisting reality to fit your worldview. Take action on the basis of that realization. What that action should be, is a decision that best can be taken by u alone.
I assume Mandrake, Connectiva etc. will also announce support for Red Hats actions. But this could be a cool idea. Why dont all the vendors individually sue SCO? SCO will run out of money before it can address any of them. Of course then MS may buy it out and then we could have a REAL problem on our hands... What i am interested in finding out is if any of the companies will put their money where their mouth is... donate to the Open Source Now! fund.
> No, because most of them share a religion that at best, tolerates[0], and at worst, actively encourages killing of infidels. Which actively preaches that the goal of the faith is GLOBAL TOTAL conversion. And large elements of which think that deliberately targeting innocent women and children is a Good Thing, rewarded by the deity in the afterlife with XXX virgins awarded to you.
Actually, India IS the worlds largest democracy. It may not be particularly wat you would want... but a democracy it definitely is. There is a wider spectrum of political opinion in india - from extreme rightists to extreme leftists. u get all kinds of extremists here - hindu, muslim, communist, casteists, location-driven extremists, community-driven, tribe-driven, the whole works. Its loud and its raucous and its dusty and it tends to go towards mob rule more than debate driven intelligensia! But it is a finer expression of democracy than most of the democracies we see around the world! Yes, its better than US too! Why? Because an average turnout for an election is usully in the high 60-70 percent! More people vote for a larger number of posts and a bigger list of political parties speread wider over the opinion spectrum than most countries would have. most people in india laughed their guts out when they saw how the presidential elections were conducted in the US. Everyone KNEW that elections were conducted here better! If democracy is really the opinion of the people, then India is DEFNLY the biggest democracy of the world!
Not a troll, but does anyone else feel that strategically, TrollTech should have made QT LGPL? KDE is much more tightly done than GNOME and the overall effect is defnly smoother, kinda like Windows done right! But if Companies prefer GNOME, then in the long run TrollTech will see reduced demand for its product... or am i wrong? Of course, there is the counterargument that LGPL would ensure that TrollTech would never get any money out of QT, but i suspect that it would have fetchdd more in the long run, like it is doing for Ximian.... consulting you know!
A serious question. OpenOffice started incorporating GTK/GNOME widgets, Mozilla builds support for GTK themes... Why is it that they all go in for GTK/GNOME not QT/KDE? Are the latter combination more difficult to integrate? Something about the QT license? Better mktg by the GNOME guys? Anyone has any insights?
Problem statement: People are used to windows. In India, widespread piracy has ensured that Windows is avaiable with almost every grey market PC and in every school/home/office. Linux lurks in the background as a potential replacement, but most people are just not comfortable with the idea. Including SysAdmins! I know, cause i have worked in enuf companies to see that. The actual trick to popularize Linux is a hack of sorts... complain regularly to the local antipiracy people about illegal usage of Windows in office! IT WORKS! A very large company (i shall keep its name to myself, considering my brother works in one of its sister concerns)once had its offices raided by the local antipiracy guys here (called NASSCOM). The same evening, their sysadmin called up the admin guy in my company to ask about the feasiblity of using StarOffice iinstead of MSO. As a tech writer, my admin guy decided that i might be the best person to give an unbiased review. It turned out that for their purposes, SO (and OOo)was good enough, so i recommended that they go ahead. I have no idea if they actually did, but i hope they did. Another important factor to note is that people may be a little wary of using Linux as their OS, but replacing MSO with OOo is a less stressful option for them! It might be a good idea for people to start asking for OOo on machines from their vendors. even if it comes with XP or 2k etc. It takes away quite a few dollars from MS, which if u have read the reports has only 2 money making divisions with MSO being one of them. A reduced cash flow there (in addition to helping customers get great value for money - a complete office suite for free!) would cause MS to light a fire under the antipiracy guys who would raid more companies looking for illegal copies of that and piss more companies into using OOo which would further reduce the dependence of customer and deplete MSO revenues which would light another fire underthe.... u get the picture. its certainly possible in india at least... at least 1 (Zenith) of the 2 big local PC vendors here has no deals with MS and may be open to the idea of bundling OOo. additionally there are a lot of intel authorised dealers (essentially former grey market guys) who provide a lot of the home PCs in the country! now it remains to actually implement all this...:)
Apologies for thew condesending tone in the previous message. Anyways, one huge argument i have against Creationism is its fundamental logic of the age of the Earth etc is a statement made by a Pope who had not even really studied the issue well. At least Darwin tried better. I mean, the Hindus beleived that the present universe was created a few million years ago, with a whole description of nothing existing except the maker... who then first made water amd so on! Its a theory thats as valid as the 6K year creationist idea. and as 'proven' too! As for short lives and permanance, u will note that science never defines absolutes, religion wants absolutes. Galileo was true in his day, but any physics student will tell u that the great mas ideas are unable to explain many things that that are accepted today. The earth is not a sphere any more, its a geoid... science has an undefined absolute called "Truth" which it knows that it can neer reach, but it also aims at continually coming up with better and better approximations of the same. Newton made it better, Einsiten made it better... but the Truth will never be reached... creationism depends on having to beleive the word of some old man sitting in some palace a european land who makes random decisions which we are supposed to beleicve as the word of the "eternal one" Sorry
lemme guess... about 300 years ago you beleived in a Flat Earth as well... and continued to beleve so until the first satellite pictures showed that it actually was a geoid. it is not necesasary that Darwinism is the best theory to explain life as we see it... but it covers evolution much better than creationism. Requires fewer assumptions too! Its like democracy u know.. aint the best, but better than all the other options out there!
apply occams razor and you will realize y "Assume for a moment that God existed" is not valid. It can lead us down the slippery slope of "Assume the Devil too existed", "assume more than one God", "assume god were male", "assume whites were superior" etc. in science, even assumptions must have a reasoning to them.
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Cmon! Start voting to allow free movement of ALL goods, including Labor! Open the gates, let me in!
Nice in theory, not in practice. If you want free movement of goods, you should also allow free movement of labor - after all, as per capitalist theory, labor is also a good. Wanna open up your borders completely then? Fight against millions of hungry, aggressive, undercutting Indians and Chinese for your job? If you ain't willing to have free movement of labor, don't talk about free movement of goods.
The US, till fairly recently used to have tariff walls that were a mile high. And even today, as someone else has pointed out, a lot of agricultural products in the US are still wall protected.
I can't believe this kind of idiotic remark gets a 5 rating.
For this permission, Apple had to deal with the highest echelons of the Indian government, which in the last two years has been fully cleaned up by the new PM and his team.
Broad brush remarks like this need to be voted down, not up!
5 bullies get together and decide that they are the only folks in the world who are allowed to eat cheese - called it the NCT. Some others decided not to pay attention to the NCT, made their own cheese and had it. Poor NCT "signatories" all got their panties into a twist! Ooooh! I love that squeezed balls look they've got!
Oh and I loved it so much! Little ol' India, unable to feed its populace, gave the middle finger to the West and exploded the nuke. How wonderful! Fricking Westerners, always full of knowledge and righteousness about everything! I remember a line from somewhere: My views may have changed but not the fact that I'm right!
You know what's amazing? Despite being in one of the toughest neighborhoods around (Pakistan in the West, China in the East - both nuke powers), India's been ballsy enough to say "No first use". And Big Ol' Merica and Righteous Ol' Europa never said that. So mostly, whenever peeps start whining about India being irresponsible and mean and lying and all that, I have just one thing to say, "Kiss my ass".
I know you were probably just trying to make a point vis-a-vis Iran and nukes, but it's just that I am tired of my country being dragged in for comparisons like the one you did.
nitpicking, but anyone who has lived in Mumbai for long enough will know that this is not a picture from that city. Mumbai is a little bit more organized.
--- feeling a little defensive because of the picture's name and the fact that i grew up in Mumbai.
I agree with the overall idea, though.
Sorry, I am a bit confused. Isn't this discussion about quadcopters in general and their rescue role in specific? Why would the GP mention fixed wing, unless he thought them to be relevant to the discussion?
For example, if you were discussing the merits of presidential democracy versus parliamentary democracy, and I jumped in to say that in Mussolini's fascist state, the trains always ran on time, would it not be proper for you to assume that i brought in fascism because i thought it had advantages over democracy? In which case, it would be perfectly fair for you to point out that if I had spoken out of turn in his regime, I would have been thrown straight under one of those efficiently running trains.
Would it then make sense for someone else to pop up and say that my facism remark did not deserve your response because I was not making any comparison with democracy?
Interesting - the person you requoted is none other than good ol' Comrade Stalin
I think the majority is not good enough because the majority also believed in "phlogiston" once, and that did not work out too well.
deny/din/Verb
1. Refuse to admit the truth or existence of (something).
2. Refuse to give (something requested or desired) to (someone).
I choose 1
Read this: http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97jan/borlaug/borlaug.htm
Thanks to people like Norman Borlaugh, developing countries like India have actually slowed down the rate of green cover destruction. In the last 60 years, India went from a "basket case" to a net exporter of food, with an increase of just 1% of its farming area.
Short answer, stop worrying! Really!
If liberty means anything at all, it is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. - George Orwell
what's wrong with insulting muslims, or christians, or hindus, or buddhists, or anyone at all, for holding on to a bunch of stupid beliefs? For example, as a atheist, I have to listen every day to people espousing their beliefs in some god or the other and just as often, insulting non-believers - is that acceptable? The "Holy Books" keep talking about death to infidels, and I never hear of demands to ban them for divisive behavior.
What you are saying, sir, is that free speech should be toned down to not hurt the sentiments of the biggest and loudest bullies.
>Your problem is man dies - as you will, someday.
so what? what exactly has the death of man got to do with the subject at hand?
> Your shining diety has clay feet.
And how exactly? by dying? i thought jesus dies too? dont give me the reawakening crap. and anyways, what exactly does your statement have to do with the subject at hand?
Wake up! Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie.
>Lets say you don't fear death - but what about God who judges after death? Your disbelief in him won't help a whit on the last day.
Repeat after me! Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie.Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie.Atheists, REALLY DO NOT believe in this GOD thingie.
got it? good!
and do the world a favor will ya? stop threating on behalf of your favorite idol and stop warning people about how this idle idol is gonna kick ass on the last day?
Oh Yes, I work in Mumbai at a place called SEEPZ, which is a zone exclusively set up for software and gems exporters. In my previous company, we had a bunch of Romanians working here, for about 2-3 years before they all emigrated to the US or went back to Europe.
The TCS people fed Soong some crock and he lapped it up.
One question: If the people at Slashdot, including the Editors, are such supersmartypants, then how come that they are so paranoid of immigrants? Oh yes, I know, all of you people will jump up and say "No We aint. We just want to keep our jobs!", which to me kinda sounds like the refrain of all the car manufacturers who used to urge your Congress to not allow Japanese cars because its good to "Be American, Buy American"
Tolerance is a rare thing these days. Everyone claims to be tolerant but how many really are?
If you actually look up the law on this, you will find that some book publishers tried this stunt and were thrown out of the court for this. The "you may not resell" clause was regarded as illegal and invalid.
No matter what they say, you CAN sell books.
If you read your history, Thomas Jeffersen specifically noted that the 'Hindoo', the 'Mohammeden' and the 'Infidel' too be left free to practise their religion in America, WHICH is why he wanted the constitution to separate state and religion...
There are similar comments from the Adams guy (IIRC)
Understand the implications of that. It means that the founding fathers KNEW about more than Christianity and Judaism. It seems to me then, that any attempt to read beyond the words of the constitution and look into the intent would show that the one to rwist the words of the constitution would be you.
Suggestion:
Read up on the constitution.
Read up in the founding fathers and their letters and articles when the gr8 document was being created.
Realize that you have been twisting reality to fit your worldview.
Take action on the basis of that realization.
What that action should be, is a decision that best can be taken by u alone.
Regards
I assume Mandrake, Connectiva etc. will also announce support for Red Hats actions. But this could be a cool idea. Why dont all the vendors individually sue SCO? SCO will run out of money before it can address any of them. Of course then MS may buy it out and then we could have a REAL problem on our hands...
What i am interested in finding out is if any of the companies will put their money where their mouth is... donate to the Open Source Now! fund.
> No, because most of them share a religion that at best, tolerates[0], and at worst, actively encourages killing of infidels. Which actively preaches that the goal of the faith is GLOBAL TOTAL conversion. And large elements of which think that deliberately targeting innocent women and children is a Good Thing, rewarded by the deity in the afterlife with XXX virgins awarded to you.
You mean christianity?
Actually, India IS the worlds largest democracy. It may not be particularly wat you would want... but a democracy it definitely is. There is a wider spectrum of political opinion in india - from extreme rightists to extreme leftists. u get all kinds of extremists here - hindu, muslim, communist, casteists, location-driven extremists, community-driven, tribe-driven, the whole works.
Its loud and its raucous and its dusty and it tends to go towards mob rule more than debate driven intelligensia! But it is a finer expression of democracy than most of the democracies we see around the world! Yes, its better than US too! Why?
Because an average turnout for an election is usully in the high 60-70 percent! More people vote for a larger number of posts and a bigger list of political parties speread wider over the opinion spectrum than most countries would have.
most people in india laughed their guts out when they saw how the presidential elections were conducted in the US. Everyone KNEW that elections were conducted here better! If democracy is really the opinion of the people, then India is DEFNLY the biggest democracy of the world!
Not a troll, but does anyone else feel that strategically, TrollTech should have made QT LGPL?
KDE is much more tightly done than GNOME and the overall effect is defnly smoother, kinda like Windows done right!
But if Companies prefer GNOME, then in the long run TrollTech will see reduced demand for its product... or am i wrong?
Of course, there is the counterargument that LGPL would ensure that TrollTech would never get any money out of QT, but i suspect that it would have fetchdd more in the long run, like it is doing for Ximian.... consulting you know!
A serious question. OpenOffice started incorporating GTK/GNOME widgets, Mozilla builds support for GTK themes...
Why is it that they all go in for GTK/GNOME not QT/KDE? Are the latter combination more difficult to integrate? Something about the QT license? Better mktg by the GNOME guys?
Anyone has any insights?
Problem statement: .... u get the picture. :)
People are used to windows. In India, widespread piracy has ensured that Windows is avaiable with almost every grey market PC and in every school/home/office.
Linux lurks in the background as a potential replacement, but most people are just not comfortable with the idea. Including SysAdmins! I know, cause i have worked in enuf companies to see that.
The actual trick to popularize Linux is a hack of sorts... complain regularly to the local antipiracy people about illegal usage of Windows in office! IT WORKS!
A very large company (i shall keep its name to myself, considering my brother works in one of its sister concerns)once had its offices raided by the local antipiracy guys here (called NASSCOM). The same evening, their sysadmin called up the admin guy in my company to ask about the feasiblity of using StarOffice iinstead of MSO.
As a tech writer, my admin guy decided that i might be the best person to give an unbiased review. It turned out that for their purposes, SO (and OOo)was good enough, so i recommended that they go ahead.
I have no idea if they actually did, but i hope they did.
Another important factor to note is that people may be a little wary of using Linux as their OS, but replacing MSO with OOo is a less stressful option for them!
It might be a good idea for people to start asking for OOo on machines from their vendors. even if it comes with XP or 2k etc.
It takes away quite a few dollars from MS, which if u have read the reports has only 2 money making divisions with MSO being one of them. A reduced cash flow there (in addition to helping customers get great value for money - a complete office suite for free!) would cause MS to light a fire under the antipiracy guys who would raid more companies looking for illegal copies of that and piss more companies into using OOo which would further reduce the dependence of customer and deplete MSO revenues which would light another fire underthe
its certainly possible in india at least... at least 1 (Zenith) of the 2 big local PC vendors here has no deals with MS and may be open to the idea of bundling OOo. additionally there are a lot of intel authorised dealers (essentially former grey market guys) who provide a lot of the home PCs in the country! now it remains to actually implement all this...
Apologies for thew condesending tone in the previous message.
Anyways, one huge argument i have against Creationism is its fundamental logic of the age of the Earth etc is a statement made by a Pope who had not even really studied the issue well. At least Darwin tried better.
I mean, the Hindus beleived that the present universe was created a few million years ago, with a whole description of nothing existing except the maker... who then first made water amd so on!
Its a theory thats as valid as the 6K year creationist idea. and as 'proven' too!
As for short lives and permanance, u will note that science never defines absolutes, religion wants absolutes. Galileo was true in his day, but any physics student will tell u that the great mas ideas are unable to explain many things that that are accepted today. The earth is not a sphere any more, its a geoid...
science has an undefined absolute called "Truth" which it knows that it can neer reach, but it also aims at continually coming up with better and better approximations of the same. Newton made it better, Einsiten made it better... but the Truth will never be reached...
creationism depends on having to beleive the word of some old man sitting in some palace a european land who makes random decisions which we are supposed to beleicve as the word of the "eternal one"
Sorry
lemme guess... about 300 years ago you beleived in a Flat Earth as well... and continued to beleve so until the first satellite pictures showed that it actually was a geoid.
it is not necesasary that Darwinism is the best theory to explain life as we see it... but it covers evolution much better than creationism. Requires fewer assumptions too!
Its like democracy u know.. aint the best, but better than all the other options out there!
apply occams razor and you will realize y "Assume for a moment that God existed" is not valid. It can lead us down the slippery slope of "Assume the Devil too existed", "assume more than one God", "assume god were male", "assume whites were superior" etc.
in science, even assumptions must have a reasoning to them.