Well, I don't really know much details about this case but it seems to me that they are making the claim that SOMEONE from bnetd SOMEHOW checked out of their CVS and 'pirated' source code to put into their software. Having done this, at least from a common man's point of view that SOMEONE did insteed STEAL something that did not belong to them. As 'robinhood-like' as this may seem to the many legal owners of various blizzard games so that they have choices to play their games on other 'non-laggy' servers, it is still breaking the law. I don't believe that GPL protects open source software that has its origins from non-open sourced avenues. At least not in the sense where one steals code to put into their own.
Now, on the flip side of the coin. If the developers of bnetd did not steal code like Blizzard had originally claimed, and in fact reverse engineered the whole thing, then I think they would be protected by GPL (though i could be wrong on this one....).
I believe this case could set some major precedence when the judgement gets handed down. Basically, we have one party that is complaining the fact that they have a nice piece of software that more or less achieves much of its functionality through the authentication of its battle.net servers. Authenticate: great, you get to play. Do not authenticate: probablly means you got the software in through an illegal means and deny your usage. On the other hand, we have an alternative service that does not authenticate because it simply chooses not to. Reason being? Could be a million reasons. Make the servers go faster? Don't have to contact a database to see if it's real or not? Performance issues? Circumventing software piracy countermeasures? Perhaps... all of these issues have not been raised and certainly when it goes to trial, we will perhaps finally learn the truth.
However, the should the judgement rule in favor of blizzard, i wouldn't be surprised for those individuals that write applications that circumvent standard protocol i.e. alternative dns, freenet, p2p applications, or even protocol encapsulations so as to protect those activities that we don't want others to know about....
Still a lot of beans to be spilled and much to be refried, that's for certain.
Man, and to imagine if they ACTUALLY needed all these licenses, I would imagine they must have like the densest population of Oracle Certified Professionals and DBAs per square mile....
Come to think of it, does anyone have any statistics as to what is the number of say CCNP, CCIE, or MCSE just to name a few per given square mile in a region? Just thought it'd be interesting to toss out there...
Wow, I can't believe the first thing I saw when I hit the comments list was someone discussing about VT's honor code. Goooo hokies!:-)
On the more serious side... let's think about this...and perhaps someone has a better view of this:
The act of discussing homework is probablly in my opinion the oldest form of 'Opensourcing.' Though you are not 'copying' code 'copying' word for word, but when you discuss the approach of how to approach a problem that is at least in my opinion the fundamental spirit of open source. Take a look at the Debian dev team. (Sorry if love for debian shows through) These guys are by far one of the most dedicated guys that I've seen in terms of sharing ideas and helping each other out. Even if you are sick and bed ridden...
If we can't even have an 'open' discussion, I say if you are smart, you take your parent's well earned money and go to a better school like Virginia Tech:-) (LOL! Sorry for the plug)
Interesting enough, even if Cray's webserver uses these fast disks, their uplink probablly can't do 80GBps transfer....well unless they have some crazy darkfibers that no one uses....:-)
Would be cool though, to have 80GBps uplinks to download all the cool media you want.... whew! Let see....224/80... that would mean it would only take less roughly 3 seconds to fill up this drive.... wow....:-)
I can't believe they are putting gundam that late. There is nothing risque in this series, if not it's almost too serious... only 13 epsidoes, and i still even have my fansubs from my college hay days....(ahh good times) none the less... it's really undeserving that such a great series gets shafted for such a lowly time.... i will however wish that more people catch this series and watch it through.... great series for the gundam lovers and as well as those that would like a great story line. (Watch for the latter epsidoes for the mecha lover... heheheheh)
Hehehehehehe... did anyone read the technical specifications? I wonder how they accomplished to implement IP over MPEG? (heheh) Is this similar to DWDM, but rather splitting a wave length, they use the already split framerate? LOL...just thought i'd toss this out to the void...
Well, after the last two weeks of hovering and roaming around the local Toy's R Us playing with the various games, I now own an Xbox. I can't say that I like Microsoft for the various OS stumbles or their constant legal battles, but as a console, and for what you get with it, it's pretty damn fun.
I am in the process of converting the quicktime file to mpeg1, mpeg2, and DivX. The video portion is actually done already, but it will take some time to rip the audio portion out....
when I am done, if someone wants to host the files, let me know....:-)
I saw this last night on TechTV and the new release of these video cell phones in Japan. They looked really nice and actually had nice video feeds. You can read more about the phone here on this link Read here.
Well, I guess I am the first Hokie here to write something. But hey, even if the story is about some Jock, I have to say Lee Suggs is still pretty cool, and I did graduate from VT.
Back in the day when it was told that it couldn't be done, we did it and ended up at the Sugarbowl. Too bad the end results were not as well as we had hoped them to be.
But we are still a contender no matter what conference we play as long as we play to the best of our ability and just keep on trucking down the road to BCS!!!
I wonder if there will be any other hokies posting after I....
There are still support for SPARC equipment. Like the other slashdotters here that have posted, there are OTHER solid linux support for the SPARC line of HW. I personally have 2 SPARC2s that are on my desk both running Debian. The longest I had them both running was around 180 days until I had to move cubicles. It compiles and runs lots of nifty network analyzer tools. Granted you won't find any binaries, but as long you have the source, and it's for the distrib of the linux that you have, in my case debian, it has always work and often just./configure and./make and maybe./install and everything is history:)
I got mine... I got it from buy.com. They tried to deliver it on the 16th, but apparently I wasn't home:-( So now it's stuck in my leasing office and they close at 6:00PM everyday and I don't get home early enough from work... *sigh* But it's here!!! Wheeeeeeeeeee!
This is sort of a side note, though I thought perhaps it could be something related. Bowling Alone is a book that raises the issue of how socially disconnected we have become. Some of its examples in its earlier chapters show the decline in attendance as well as various's clubs and social events to recruit new members within the last 25 years of the century. I read through a few chapters this weekend when I was looking through Walden books (can't believe they are still around) and I found it was quite an interesting reading (I was thinking about buying it, but I think I can get it cheaper online elsewhere...). I recommend this book and perhaps we will see future discussion on this topic of social disengagements.
I didn't know that that was from the MD/VA/DC area... I-95 is a terrible road to drive on. I make the 495 commute every morning from Fairfax to Bethesda and let me tell you that is quit easy... but for those that travel farther and longer than that... they all will agree that the drivers are just absolutely horrible... it's unforutnate that someone like Mike had to die at the hands of a freak motor accident....:(
Granted the fact that it will be hard to find developers to develop cool and kick ass games on it, but, it DOES have other features. For the most part, it is a very, very, very, very advanced and high powered set top box. Sure it plays games, but that's just one aspect of the market that the L600 can do. It might not have a chance to do well in the average consumer market, but considering the low price, multi-functional capabilities, all wrapped into the same package, I wouldn't be surprised if you start finding these units in some of the nice hotels.
I remember when I went on a job interview, and the hotel I was put up in (Marriott Suites) had a set top box that was able to get room service, my hotel account, order movies, all from the set top box. But what if that set top box can do email, and surf the web? And you say it has Digital Audio outputs? I wouldn't be surprised if the next time I book a hotel room they will ask me if I want the room to be Dolby DTSed. Does this mean Regal Cinemas might start putting up hotels?
The unit comes with a 100Base port... I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to do Video on Demand (VOD) or at least use IP Multicast to distribute movies on a timely basis... or better yet, why don't I just download the.vob file from the next release of Napster or Gnutella. Oh wait... I think RIAA and MPAA are knocking on my hotel room...
Ahh this reminds me of the days when a group of us try to steal ethernet connection from the only dorm on campus that had ethernet. (Go hokies!) He had nad a nice little wireless transceiver unit, but we just going 100 feet had caused us to have roughly 40% errors in the test packets that were sent... and the speed wasn't consistant... would be nifty if this guy can do it:)
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Well, I don't really know much details about this case but it seems to me that they are making the claim that SOMEONE from bnetd SOMEHOW checked out of their CVS and 'pirated' source code to put into their software. Having done this, at least from a common man's point of view that SOMEONE did insteed STEAL something that did not belong to them. As 'robinhood-like' as this may seem to the many legal owners of various blizzard games so that they have choices to play their games on other 'non-laggy' servers, it is still breaking the law. I don't believe that GPL protects open source software that has its origins from non-open sourced avenues. At least not in the sense where one steals code to put into their own.
Now, on the flip side of the coin. If the developers of bnetd did not steal code like Blizzard had originally claimed, and in fact reverse engineered the whole thing, then I think they would be protected by GPL (though i could be wrong on this one....).
I believe this case could set some major precedence when the judgement gets handed down. Basically, we have one party that is complaining the fact that they have a nice piece of software that more or less achieves much of its functionality through the authentication of its battle.net servers. Authenticate: great, you get to play. Do not authenticate: probablly means you got the software in through an illegal means and deny your usage. On the other hand, we have an alternative service that does not authenticate because it simply chooses not to. Reason being? Could be a million reasons. Make the servers go faster? Don't have to contact a database to see if it's real or not? Performance issues? Circumventing software piracy countermeasures? Perhaps... all of these issues have not been raised and certainly when it goes to trial, we will perhaps finally learn the truth.
However, the should the judgement rule in favor of blizzard, i wouldn't be surprised for those individuals that write applications that circumvent standard protocol i.e. alternative dns, freenet, p2p applications, or even protocol encapsulations so as to protect those activities that we don't want others to know about....
Still a lot of beans to be spilled and much to be refried, that's for certain.
Man, and to imagine if they ACTUALLY needed all these licenses, I would imagine they must have like the densest population of Oracle Certified Professionals and DBAs per square mile....
Come to think of it, does anyone have any statistics as to what is the number of say CCNP, CCIE, or MCSE just to name a few per given square mile in a region? Just thought it'd be interesting to toss out there...
Wow, I can't believe the first thing I saw when I hit the comments list was someone discussing about VT's honor code. Goooo hokies! :-)
:-) (LOL! Sorry for the plug)
On the more serious side... let's think about this...and perhaps someone has a better view of this:
The act of discussing homework is probablly in my opinion the oldest form of 'Opensourcing.' Though you are not 'copying' code 'copying' word for word, but when you discuss the approach of how to approach a problem that is at least in my opinion the fundamental spirit of open source. Take a look at the Debian dev team. (Sorry if love for debian shows through) These guys are by far one of the most dedicated guys that I've seen in terms of sharing ideas and helping each other out. Even if you are sick and bed ridden...
If we can't even have an 'open' discussion, I say if you are smart, you take your parent's well earned money and go to a better school like Virginia Tech
Interesting enough, even if Cray's webserver uses these fast disks, their uplink probablly can't do 80GBps transfer....well unless they have some crazy darkfibers that no one uses.... :-)
... that would mean it would only take less roughly 3 seconds to fill up this drive.... wow.... :-)
Would be cool though, to have 80GBps uplinks to download all the cool media you want.... whew! Let see....224/80
Is this confirmed true or not?
does this mean i can't use my xbox to make cool wmas? how sad... :-(
just a side note...
MS owns XBOX, Sony owns the PS2...
Download the DivX codec and compile and install it for PS2 LInux...hmmm...would be cool to play my DivX files on the TV...that'd be phat :-)
I can't believe they are putting gundam that late. There is nothing risque in this series, if not it's almost too serious... only 13 epsidoes, and i still even have my fansubs from my college hay days....(ahh good times) none the less... it's really undeserving that such a great series gets shafted for such a lowly time.... i will however wish that more people catch this series and watch it through.... great series for the gundam lovers and as well as those that would like a great story line. (Watch for the latter epsidoes for the mecha lover... heheheheh)
Go Gundam Stardust! Launch!
Hehehehehehe... did anyone read the technical specifications? I wonder how they accomplished to implement IP over MPEG? (heheh) Is this similar to DWDM, but rather splitting a wave length, they use the already split framerate? LOL...just thought i'd toss this out to the void...
Well, after the last two weeks of hovering and roaming around the local Toy's R Us playing with the various games, I now own an Xbox. I can't say that I like Microsoft for the various OS stumbles or their constant legal battles, but as a console, and for what you get with it, it's pretty damn fun.
:-)
Nuff talking... back to Halo.
I am in the process of converting the quicktime file to mpeg1, mpeg2, and DivX. The video portion is actually done already, but it will take some time to rip the audio portion out....
:-)
when I am done, if someone wants to host the files, let me know....
kyoko
I saw this last night on TechTV and the new release of these video cell phones in Japan. They looked really nice and actually had nice video feeds. You can read more about the phone here on this link Read here.
Well, I guess I am the first Hokie here to write something. But hey, even if the story is about some Jock, I have to say Lee Suggs is still pretty cool, and I did graduate from VT.
Back in the day when it was told that it couldn't be done, we did it and ended up at the Sugarbowl. Too bad the end results were not as well as we had hoped them to be.
But we are still a contender no matter what conference we play as long as we play to the best of our ability and just keep on trucking down the road to BCS!!!
I wonder if there will be any other hokies posting after I....
GOOOO HOKIES!!!!!
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This is the place that is selling it... hope the e-commerce site doesn't get slash-dotted... Click here...
There are still support for SPARC equipment. Like the other slashdotters here that have posted, there are OTHER solid linux support for the SPARC line of HW. I personally have 2 SPARC2s that are on my desk both running Debian. The longest I had them both running was around 180 days until I had to move cubicles. It compiles and runs lots of nifty network analyzer tools. Granted you won't find any binaries, but as long you have the source, and it's for the distrib of the linux that you have, in my case debian, it has always work and often just ./configure and ./make and maybe ./install and everything is history :)
I got mine... I got it from buy.com. They tried to deliver it on the 16th, but apparently I wasn't home :-( So now it's stuck in my leasing office and they close at 6:00PM everyday and I don't get home early enough from work... *sigh* But it's here!!! Wheeeeeeeeeee!
This is sort of a side note, though I thought perhaps it could be something related. Bowling Alone is a book that raises the issue of how socially disconnected we have become. Some of its examples in its earlier chapters show the decline in attendance as well as various's clubs and social events to recruit new members within the last 25 years of the century. I read through a few chapters this weekend when I was looking through Walden books (can't believe they are still around) and I found it was quite an interesting reading (I was thinking about buying it, but I think I can get it cheaper online elsewhere...). I recommend this book and perhaps we will see future discussion on this topic of social disengagements.
I didn't know that that was from the MD/VA/DC area... I-95 is a terrible road to drive on. I make the 495 commute every morning from Fairfax to Bethesda and let me tell you that is quit easy... but for those that travel farther and longer than that... they all will agree that the drivers are just absolutely horrible... it's unforutnate that someone like Mike had to die at the hands of a freak motor accident.... :(
I remember when I went on a job interview, and the hotel I was put up in (Marriott Suites) had a set top box that was able to get room service, my hotel account, order movies, all from the set top box. But what if that set top box can do email, and surf the web? And you say it has Digital Audio outputs? I wouldn't be surprised if the next time I book a hotel room they will ask me if I want the room to be Dolby DTSed. Does this mean Regal Cinemas might start putting up hotels?
The unit comes with a 100Base port... I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to do Video on Demand (VOD) or at least use IP Multicast to distribute movies on a timely basis... or better yet, why don't I just download the .vob file from the next release of Napster or Gnutella. Oh wait... I think RIAA and MPAA are knocking on my hotel room...
Ahh this reminds me of the days when a group of us try to steal ethernet connection from the only dorm on campus that had ethernet. (Go hokies!) He had nad a nice little wireless transceiver unit, but we just going 100 feet had caused us to have roughly 40% errors in the test packets that were sent... and the speed wasn't consistant... would be nifty if this guy can do it :)