except of course that 'power users' will need to learn vi, at least enough to know i makes stuff, and wq saves and quits.
I don't think the Latin relation is accurate... learning vi is like learning to multiply large numbers on paper, yeah you should always use a calculator or a computer, but you never know when one might not be available...
I don't see how it's only a *slight* reduction in the chance of theft (assuming the magnetic key has sufficient resiliancy to brute forcing, yadda yadda). I mean after all, if you can't simply hotwire the puppy being the standard car hacker, what's the chances a similar black hat car hacker can (in the time needed to steal the car w/o getting caught)
Which is not going to help the problem very much as the broken services are still running.
How about Federal Scholarships for Network/System Administrators? The Secret Service already has some scholarships for "gifted" hackers, though they require service similar to military scholarships. Perhaps this could be extended to allow the students to work in the private sector.
Outlook and Netscape (and 2 dozen other mailers) support LDAP for addresses. I remember reading that someone coerced most of these to ready directly from win2k's active directory.
There's always more than one way to do things. You also comment in alot of your other replies that 'this is the way to go.' And pretty much it is, but I think quite a bit has to be done before the database centric email solution is available. Oracle might be on the right track to making something that doesn't suck, but given their history I'm not placing bets. Ironically enough the most likely canidate I see to "do it right" is Microsoft.
True true.
The rfc is for imap, which is supported by pretty much everything and will allow server side mail storage (and tweaking can allow single instance stores).
I find that our Exchange server requires significant upkeep in the form of distribution list maintenance, email forwarding setups, security patches (because it takes 3-4 months for a critical patch to make it into a SP[win2k as well])
NAV has a similar self updating product which is very nice.
The original story though was about a 100% Linux office. If all the clients are running Linux, they won't have much use of an Exchange server...
And my appologies about the flamish previous post... I had 3 calls this morning regarding our accursed Exchange server not playing nicely with things that aren't Microsoft. Go figure...
If you note the end was a perfectly good example of how to do all of the *email* parts that the orignal poster commented on, including backup, 'one message', and saving email from stupidity.
The solution does not include calendaring. I'm of the opinion that calendaring should be a plugin or otherwise seperate from an email server (though perhaps not client). Outlook does not allow this.
And you must be joking with the stone tablet comment... Seriously, have you ever taken a look at X.400? I'm not talking about the software, I'm talking about the protocols used and the operability of the software.
I'm a professional Windows admin, and it rocks for alot of things, but for some things there is a better way. Exchange is not a better way.
MS Exchange is an "Enterprise level requirement" because Microsoft has coerced people into believing the most efficient way to do office work is through one monolithic program. One massive thing that does everything (mail, contacts, calendaring, file storage, and on and on). Outlook/Exchange is NOT emacs though (perhaps the only program that does a bunch of disparate things well).
Storage space isn't REALLY a liability in the age of $200 100gb hard drives. Currently bandwidth is actually the natural limiting factor (especially to offsite users). So why would you use a protocol system that overburdens the connection and requires multiple connections?
I won't even comment on Outlook's horrendous security record.
As for *nix's backup and 'restore' features, any half decent admin (with Veritas' backup software even if you want to waste the money) can make a system that is faster, more reliable, and more malleable that even follows standards:
http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2060.txt
Users cannot delete that which they have no permissions to write to...
I agree, though not for the Olympics. It's been the case for a long long time, with a few minor exceptions (Dream Team?) that only amateurs were allowed to compete. IMO the olympics should stay as a competition between humans. (though of course humans will change after a few generations) If you want genetically modified superhumans, watch football =]
If I remember correctly, and the source I read is correct Sir-Tech is not shutting down. They have a US and a Canadian group (as well as the defunct publishing group), and one of the groups (the US I believe) was 'downsized'
This doesn't have to do with their networking area, but MCI regularly calls me trying to change my long distance plan to them.
Apparently though their telemarketters cannot hang up on you (either by being technically unable to, or by policy). I know because a rather persistant or annoying individual called me a few months ago from MCI. I eventually placed the phone down on top of my computer and went back to playing Diablo II. A few hours later the guy was still on the phone laughing with his buddies.
They still called, and are still persistant and annoying. The most recent time the conversation went like so:
MCI: "Hi, I'm Dave from MCI, I'm calling tonight to save you money!"
me: " MCI huh? Man, you'd think you guys would learn... every month for nearly a year now you guys call me, and I never switch to MCI. After the first few I even started torturing you, but yet you call!"
MCI: "Excuse me?"
This continued for nearly 15 minutes until I got tired of him trying to convince me that the best way to get them to stop calling me would be to SIGN UP FOR THE SERVICE!
Needless to say I'm looking forward to the next call:]
Re:We agree on logic - now about those premises...
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I perhaps disagree that logic is a fundamental principle, but I am not of the opinion a Supreme Being (in the typical Judeo-Christian sense) exists. Furthermore I will disagree that even *if* such a Supreme Being exists that they gave the creatures of Earth logic.
I disagree because *we* can make life. Sure, we don't know how exactly, but we know you need to mix certain elements in a certain environment while adding energy, and end up with the most very basic type of 'life'.
What at most 'God' has given us is entropy. The universe in the beginning had to have a jump start, something to create everything, and to give entropy to the system. That system that was created gave birth to multitudes of things, not least of all is humanity. In that system that a Supreme Being perhaps created (I'm personnally of the opinion that (S)He did not) things go of their own accord, and unless the system changes, there's no evidence of something outstanding causing something as easily caused by chaos.
This is much easier than you'd think. You probably would only have to be an IT staffer for a company in the same building as a bank. (preferably an old bank where the telephone room was an afterthought). A simple shoulder surf of a DSL guy and I had access to the building phone closet. The bank's leased lines ran there, as well as our own DSL (which I had to rewire, hence the shoulder surfing). I even voulenteered to finish off the punch downs (handy punch down tool in hand) and the tech let me.
I was 19 at the time, in generic t-shirt and jeans sort of attire, not exactly 'professional' looking. As far as thievery goes it's probably easier to generate a check card number (they should be within a certain range, and credit card generation is public knowledge).
Note that (for me at least) the way this develops is that generic good geeky people start out by doing something on their home windows machine (in my case gaming, in others it's photoshop, web design, amateur pr0n, irc/AIM/warez). The people get good at using the home desktop machine, good enough to realise the limitations within Windows, and look for something without the limitations.
Some of the irc/AIM/warez people devolve into script kiddies and jump on the anti-establishment bandwagon.
Let me first make the assumption that you're using win2k. Other versions of Windows makes all bets off.
a: Windows is getting much better in this regard, though *nix systems (Linux especially) still have spotty driver support at best. Ever try getting Linux running on Dell's high end raid cards?
b: Depends on what the windows machine is doing and if it has the hardware to support such uptimes. Windows machines have the downside that most patches require reboot.
c: Funny. I assume you're joking of course, because it's trivial to get smb file sharing, apache, and smb printing on a win2k machine. As long as you've got the bandwidth and hardware to support the load your clients will put on it, the machine will run great. (granted you'll need quite a bit more ram, and a little more processor power, but win2k serving the print & file services will invariably be more reliable from a compatability point of view than samba)
And as one replier already mentioned you will still need a competant admin to make all of this acceptably secure and stable, which there are much fewer competant windows admins than unix admins (proctologically extruded fact)
5: Make it company policy that *all* people that aren't paid full time be checked in. Have sometihng like a temp badge that signifies that they are. Require that they be escorted anywhere they go. At my company even contractors are escorted. They were slightly disturbed, but got used to it.
6: Make it policy that any employee should stop and question anyone without an employee or temp badge plainly visible. Usually one guy who does it abit helps.
This seems to help a bit by adding a little catchall in case people try to coerce their way places.
win2k will give a boot option if you remove the "fastboot" option from boot.ini. There will still only be one choice (perhaps 2, the safe mode as well) but it will look identical to the NT4 bootloader screen.
Wait wait, that's just because I was in late last night trying to get one of their machines to boot correctly (I couldn't).
We had a problem with one of their servers earlier in the year, where one of the hard drives goes bad. (fair enough, it happens, 'tis why God made RAID-5) Though upon getting a replacement drive, that one as well keeled over and died, and sure enough it appeared as though the backplane/connector had problems more than the drives.
We called up Dell. They insisted on sending a technician out to fix the problem, instead of an exchange. We used another machine to replace the server easily enough, and a few days later the Dell guy shows up.
2 hours later he says he's done, and sure enough the server recognises and even uses the drive in slot #2. *yay*
Well that server was redeployed after a bit of burn in. Last night the server did not reboot after a patch update yay Microsoft
I've not had much time to look at the machine, but not only did the machine keel over and die, but it apparently managed to correctly write out GARBAGE to the RAID-5 array before it did.
You can guess who I'll be talking with today, and you can also guess who's sending me a new machine.
maybe, just maybe
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They shouldn't be using TinyHTTPD on TinyServer. Then they could handle more than a Tiny amount of hits.
I disagree in this regard. The 'computer lab' in my highschool was a group of dog slow 486/33's which thankfully were networked to a novell machine using 10bT. Basic computer literacy courses were offered, as well as intro level programming courses (pascal mainly).
And of course the main program run by the semi-literate computer students was Doom2 (which rocked on 10bT). I easily learned networking and security faster in this environment than at my workplace. You'd be suprised what inventive students can do to hide things, and circumvent things just to get in a little Doom.
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except of course that 'power users' will need to learn vi, at least enough to know i makes stuff, and wq saves and quits.
I don't think the Latin relation is accurate... learning vi is like learning to multiply large numbers on paper, yeah you should always use a calculator or a computer, but you never know when one might not be available...
I don't see how it's only a *slight* reduction in the chance of theft (assuming the magnetic key has sufficient resiliancy to brute forcing, yadda yadda). I mean after all, if you can't simply hotwire the puppy being the standard car hacker, what's the chances a similar black hat car hacker can (in the time needed to steal the car w/o getting caught)
games are an escape mechanism, do the math...
Which is not going to help the problem very much as the broken services are still running.
How about Federal Scholarships for Network/System Administrators? The Secret Service already has some scholarships for "gifted" hackers, though they require service similar to military scholarships. Perhaps this could be extended to allow the students to work in the private sector.
Note that the most recent version of outlook says "This is a .scr, don't open this you moron." and prevents the user from opening it.
Outlook and Netscape (and 2 dozen other mailers) support LDAP for addresses. I remember reading that someone coerced most of these to ready directly from win2k's active directory.
There's always more than one way to do things. You also comment in alot of your other replies that 'this is the way to go.' And pretty much it is, but I think quite a bit has to be done before the database centric email solution is available. Oracle might be on the right track to making something that doesn't suck, but given their history I'm not placing bets. Ironically enough the most likely canidate I see to "do it right" is Microsoft.
Stanford has immense holdings, because around the same time AFAIK they *did* get substantial amounts from a little company called SUN.
True true.
The rfc is for imap, which is supported by pretty much everything and will allow server side mail storage (and tweaking can allow single instance stores).
I find that our Exchange server requires significant upkeep in the form of distribution list maintenance, email forwarding setups, security patches (because it takes 3-4 months for a critical patch to make it into a SP[win2k as well])
NAV has a similar self updating product which is very nice.
The original story though was about a 100% Linux office. If all the clients are running Linux, they won't have much use of an Exchange server...
And my appologies about the flamish previous post... I had 3 calls this morning regarding our accursed Exchange server not playing nicely with things that aren't Microsoft. Go figure...
If you note the end was a perfectly good example of how to do all of the *email* parts that the orignal poster commented on, including backup, 'one message', and saving email from stupidity.
The solution does not include calendaring. I'm of the opinion that calendaring should be a plugin or otherwise seperate from an email server (though perhaps not client). Outlook does not allow this.
And you must be joking with the stone tablet comment... Seriously, have you ever taken a look at X.400? I'm not talking about the software, I'm talking about the protocols used and the operability of the software.
I'm a professional Windows admin, and it rocks for alot of things, but for some things there is a better way. Exchange is not a better way.
MS Exchange is an "Enterprise level requirement" because Microsoft has coerced people into believing the most efficient way to do office work is through one monolithic program. One massive thing that does everything (mail, contacts, calendaring, file storage, and on and on). Outlook/Exchange is NOT emacs though (perhaps the only program that does a bunch of disparate things well).
Storage space isn't REALLY a liability in the age of $200 100gb hard drives. Currently bandwidth is actually the natural limiting factor (especially to offsite users). So why would you use a protocol system that overburdens the connection and requires multiple connections?
I won't even comment on Outlook's horrendous security record.
As for *nix's backup and 'restore' features, any half decent admin (with Veritas' backup software even if you want to waste the money) can make a system that is faster, more reliable, and more malleable that even follows standards:
http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2060.txt
Users cannot delete that which they have no permissions to write to...
Yup, just make sure the dns server only allows connections from your own machine(s)... especially in bind's case...
hrmm... what's that? a funny taste in my mouth? who'da thunk it?
I agree, though not for the Olympics. It's been the case for a long long time, with a few minor exceptions (Dream Team?) that only amateurs were allowed to compete. IMO the olympics should stay as a competition between humans. (though of course humans will change after a few generations) If you want genetically modified superhumans, watch football =]
Don't forget your broadsword too, as everyone knows sewers are regularly infested with Giant Rats and the such.
Ender's Game
If I remember correctly, and the source I read is correct Sir-Tech is not shutting down. They have a US and a Canadian group (as well as the defunct publishing group), and one of the groups (the US I believe) was 'downsized'
This doesn't have to do with their networking area, but MCI regularly calls me trying to change my long distance plan to them.
:]
Apparently though their telemarketters cannot hang up on you (either by being technically unable to, or by policy). I know because a rather persistant or annoying individual called me a few months ago from MCI. I eventually placed the phone down on top of my computer and went back to playing Diablo II. A few hours later the guy was still on the phone laughing with his buddies.
They still called, and are still persistant and annoying. The most recent time the conversation went like so:
MCI: "Hi, I'm Dave from MCI, I'm calling tonight to save you money!"
me: " MCI huh? Man, you'd think you guys would learn... every month for nearly a year now you guys call me, and I never switch to MCI. After the first few I even started torturing you, but yet you call!"
MCI: "Excuse me?"
This continued for nearly 15 minutes until I got tired of him trying to convince me that the best way to get them to stop calling me would be to SIGN UP FOR THE SERVICE!
Needless to say I'm looking forward to the next call
I perhaps disagree that logic is a fundamental principle, but I am not of the opinion a Supreme Being (in the typical Judeo-Christian sense) exists. Furthermore I will disagree that even *if* such a Supreme Being exists that they gave the creatures of Earth logic.
I disagree because *we* can make life. Sure, we don't know how exactly, but we know you need to mix certain elements in a certain environment while adding energy, and end up with the most very basic type of 'life'.
What at most 'God' has given us is entropy. The universe in the beginning had to have a jump start, something to create everything, and to give entropy to the system. That system that was created gave birth to multitudes of things, not least of all is humanity. In that system that a Supreme Being perhaps created (I'm personnally of the opinion that (S)He did not) things go of their own accord, and unless the system changes, there's no evidence of something outstanding causing something as easily caused by chaos.
This is much easier than you'd think. You probably would only have to be an IT staffer for a company in the same building as a bank. (preferably an old bank where the telephone room was an afterthought). A simple shoulder surf of a DSL guy and I had access to the building phone closet. The bank's leased lines ran there, as well as our own DSL (which I had to rewire, hence the shoulder surfing). I even voulenteered to finish off the punch downs (handy punch down tool in hand) and the tech let me.
I was 19 at the time, in generic t-shirt and jeans sort of attire, not exactly 'professional' looking. As far as thievery goes it's probably easier to generate a check card number (they should be within a certain range, and credit card generation is public knowledge).
Note that (for me at least) the way this develops is that generic good geeky people start out by doing something on their home windows machine (in my case gaming, in others it's photoshop, web design, amateur pr0n, irc/AIM/warez). The people get good at using the home desktop machine, good enough to realise the limitations within Windows, and look for something without the limitations.
Some of the irc/AIM/warez people devolve into script kiddies and jump on the anti-establishment bandwagon.
Let me first make the assumption that you're using win2k. Other versions of Windows makes all bets off.
a: Windows is getting much better in this regard, though *nix systems (Linux especially) still have spotty driver support at best. Ever try getting Linux running on Dell's high end raid cards?
b: Depends on what the windows machine is doing and if it has the hardware to support such uptimes. Windows machines have the downside that most patches require reboot.
c: Funny. I assume you're joking of course, because it's trivial to get smb file sharing, apache, and smb printing on a win2k machine. As long as you've got the bandwidth and hardware to support the load your clients will put on it, the machine will run great. (granted you'll need quite a bit more ram, and a little more processor power, but win2k serving the print & file services will invariably be more reliable from a compatability point of view than samba)
And as one replier already mentioned you will still need a competant admin to make all of this acceptably secure and stable, which there are much fewer competant windows admins than unix admins (proctologically extruded fact)
I'd like to add:
5: Make it company policy that *all* people that aren't paid full time be checked in. Have sometihng like a temp badge that signifies that they are. Require that they be escorted anywhere they go. At my company even contractors are escorted. They were slightly disturbed, but got used to it.
6: Make it policy that any employee should stop and question anyone without an employee or temp badge plainly visible. Usually one guy who does it abit helps.
This seems to help a bit by adding a little catchall in case people try to coerce their way places.
win2k will give a boot option if you remove the "fastboot" option from boot.ini. There will still only be one choice (perhaps 2, the safe mode as well) but it will look identical to the NT4 bootloader screen.
No really, they do.
Wait wait, that's just because I was in late last night trying to get one of their machines to boot correctly (I couldn't).
We had a problem with one of their servers earlier in the year, where one of the hard drives goes bad. (fair enough, it happens, 'tis why God made RAID-5) Though upon getting a replacement drive, that one as well keeled over and died, and sure enough it appeared as though the backplane/connector had problems more than the drives.
We called up Dell. They insisted on sending a technician out to fix the problem, instead of an exchange. We used another machine to replace the server easily enough, and a few days later the Dell guy shows up.
2 hours later he says he's done, and sure enough the server recognises and even uses the drive in slot #2. *yay*
Well that server was redeployed after a bit of burn in. Last night the server did not reboot after a patch update yay Microsoft
I've not had much time to look at the machine, but not only did the machine keel over and die, but it apparently managed to correctly write out GARBAGE to the RAID-5 array before it did.
You can guess who I'll be talking with today, and you can also guess who's sending me a new machine.
They shouldn't be using TinyHTTPD on TinyServer. Then they could handle more than a Tiny amount of hits.
I disagree in this regard. The 'computer lab' in my highschool was a group of dog slow 486/33's which thankfully were networked to a novell machine using 10bT. Basic computer literacy courses were offered, as well as intro level programming courses (pascal mainly).
And of course the main program run by the semi-literate computer students was Doom2 (which rocked on 10bT). I easily learned networking and security faster in this environment than at my workplace. You'd be suprised what inventive students can do to hide things, and circumvent things just to get in a little Doom.
Oh, and I learned pascal too.