If you want a premium brand, expect to pay more for it. If, as this study says, the total cost of ownership turns out to be less, good for you. Thats why its a premium brand.
Yeah, because we know those premium car brands are SO CHEAP to maintain!
Sure, when perl was booming, CGI was all about the web, but now-a-days you find more PHP in use than perl for quick projects (or ASP for IIS users)
For a while there I was giving ASP a try. But 80% of the time, I would do the little project in ASP, and then a couple weeks later I'd get a request for more and more advanced features which were either impossible in ASP, or much much more realistic in a real Perl CGI application. Inevitably I'd have to rewrite the application in Perl for any real power.
I will never understand why people fear/dislike their government more than private companies who never even have to let you know anything strange is going on unless they get caught
Because a private company can't [legally] break down my door, lock me up behind bars, and confiscate all of my material possessions?
For teh final scene fo the movie they wanted to have a line of cars, at night with lights on, stretching as far as possible. So, for a few hours, they had shutdown a rural road (not a big deal), half of one highway and half of another highway.
All for a snaking line of cars at dusk with headlights on. Tell me computers couldn't have done that:)
Well I seriously doubt computer CGI effects done back when that movie was filmed would have been able to match up to the rest of the look of the film. It wasn't Star Wars, you know...
But speaking of that scene, if you listen to the commentary on the DVD, the director tells how the cars weren't actually driving down the road. Because they couldn't coordinate that effectively, they just used the local radio station to tell everyone to start turning their lights on and off repeatedly. When viewed from far away, it had the effect of looking like the cars were slowly driving down the road.
Also the "Field of Dreams" in the movie was actually mostly dead grass. While filming, they had to repeatedly spray paint it green...
i saw the full eclipse last year (in bulgaria) and will definitely have my smoked glass for tonight's
You might want to re-think that smoked glass. According to NASA, "Unsafe filters include color film, some non-silver black and white film, medical x-ray films with images on them, smoked glass, photographic neutral density filters and polarizing filters."
Of course if my response doesn't reach you in time, you won't be able to read it anyway.
Not to troll, but the front end of Mozilla is ugly as sin. If this browser's going to catch on, what will matter to most mainstream users isn't pipelining, tabbed browsing, or HTML compliance, but the initial first impression of how good it looks. Say what you want about Microsoft, but they hired some standout designers to make IE look gorgeous.
I disagree about the ugliness. Modern looks good. The pinball theme is also nice (I'm using it now). There will be many more once it becomes popular. That's the whole point of skinning. It can look like anything with it's skin-a-bility.
There's nothing stopping someone from copying the MSIE look* exactly, or the Aqua look*, or making something even better.
The coolest thing in mozilla is that I can associate a bookmark with a keyword (even just a letter or two), and go to that bookmark through the URL bar with that keyword, even with search terms.
E.g. I have this bookmark for dictionary.com:
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=% s
For keyword, I have it set to 'd'. I can lookup a word by typing "d " on the url bar, and hitting enter.
I do similar things for Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=%s), for IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/Find?select=All&for=%s), and especially for various customer searches with our database search engine at work.
This feature saves me TONS of time every day. This alone is enough to keep me using Mozilla as long as it remains stable.
Then you add in the oft-mentioned tabbed browsing, popup blocking, standards compliancy, skinnability, programmability, etc., and it just gets better.
And don't forget, the perfect complement to tabbed browsing -- saving a group of bookmarks as one item ! Perfect.
And what about how much more consistently Mozilla handles links for new windows? MSIE has two shitty behaviors to choose from, which drive me crazy. Either you open up a page in a new window each time , or it tries to re-use windows that are already open, usually picking the one I don't want. Even when clicking on bookmarks, it uses this bizarre behavior. I don't know when they added this 'feature', but it drove me bonkerz.
Jeez, I haven't even gotten to the email client! All the things that drive me nuts in Outlook/Outlook Express are fixed in Mozilla's mail client. It only lacks a couple things I like (Eudora's "redirect" ability, for one).
Finally a mail client that lets me use IMAP without constantly reminding me that I'm looking at a remote message. (What's this outlook crap with drawing a line through a deleted message? I like for the message to disappear, and the focus to move to the next message... thanks mozilla.)
One problem with the mozdev.org link is that I get an "invalid install package" (or similar) error when trying to install icons from that page. The greyrest install works fine, though.:-/
Lacks support for IE style layers. Its too much to expect web site devlopers to use more then one layer type. Its time to bite the bullet and support the MS style.
I'd rather Microsoft make MSIE more standards compliant.
General question: I'm seeing stubs more often, and I just don't get the idea. Apart from marketing ("Look! Upgrade your Netscape! Only 200K download!" - conveniently ignoring that it's only the stub, and thereby obfuscating the size of the real download) purposes, what value is added by these "network installer" stubs?
For chrissakes, you are replying to a response which clearly exemplifies the main reason stubs are provided -- people on slow connections that don't want to install certain parts of the program! Why should they have to download everything?
Sandy: "I want you to kill all the gophers on this course."
Spackler: "Check me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they'll lock me up and throw away the key."
Sandy: "The GOPHERS, man! Kill all the GOPHERS!"
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I'd prefer to think of this as provocative rather than a flame, there is a difference you know.
It would have been provocative had you given us some examples of languages that might replace Perl for sysadmin and CGI tasks, but you didn't, you just flamed Perl.
So please list these languages I should be using for CGI. And no, I won't use PHP, the glorified mix of Perl and HTML.
Those are great numbers in theory. Too bad the theatre jobs do a very shitty job of projecting film, and the end result is much, much worse than the theoretically inferior DLP, which fucking RULES.
I also wonder why MPEG-4 is ".mp4". ".mp3" isn't for MPEG-3, after all.
That's because geeks at some hoighty-toighty European institute created the MPEG-2 Layer 3 format and file extension, while Steve Jobs wrote Quicktime 6 and it's file extension, all by himself, "out of one, solid block of wood."
Or it could be because.mp4 for MPEG-4 makes much more sense than.mp3 for MPEG-2 Layer 3, in hindsight. (How many.mp2 files do you have laying around?)
You just rented "service," equipment and all, at a monthly rate, and you could do with it only what the telephone company wanted you to do with it.
It should be clear at this point that the pendulum is swinging back, and that the Tivos, the cable providers, and the software vendors of the world are trying to turn back the clock to that comfortable time when you didn't own and couldn't control ANYTHING in your house that was wired for communications.
It's only a matter of time before video recorders and computers are not sold at all. You simply get to choose the one that's provided free (or for a $1000 installation charge?) with your subscription service.
Nice over-reaction, but you are forgetting one MAJOR point... the telephone company at the time had a huge monopoly!
There is no similar monopoly in the hardware markets that could make me rent all my equipment and not keep control of it.
In order for this to happen, you'd have to have some new type of hardware come out, completely patented, with no alternatives available that could do something similar. And everyone would need to have one of these. THEN and only then could you do something like what ma bell did with rented telephones.
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If you want a premium brand, expect to pay more for it. If, as this study says, the total cost of ownership turns out to be less, good for you. Thats why its a premium brand.
Yeah, because we know those premium car brands are SO CHEAP to maintain!
The study also examined the indirect costs of supporting end-users, training time and non-productive downtime.
Translation: Macs don't ship with Solitaire!
... are no match for your superior intellect.
Sure, when perl was booming, CGI was all about the web, but now-a-days you find more PHP in use than perl for quick projects (or ASP for IIS users)
For a while there I was giving ASP a try. But 80% of the time, I would do the little project in ASP, and then a couple weeks later I'd get a request for more and more advanced features which were either impossible in ASP, or much much more realistic in a real Perl CGI application. Inevitably I'd have to rewrite the application in Perl for any real power.
I'll stick to Perl CGI.
Why, I thought this was one of the best scenes in the movie.
And if you read more than the first couple of paragraphs, you would have seen that Coleman and the animators eventually agreed with you.
I will never understand why people fear/dislike their government more than private companies who never even have to let you know anything strange is going on unless they get caught
Because a private company can't [legally] break down my door, lock me up behind bars, and confiscate all of my material possessions?
For teh final scene fo the movie they wanted to have a line of cars, at night with lights on, stretching as far as possible. So, for a few hours, they had shutdown a rural road (not a big deal), half of one highway and half of another highway.
All for a snaking line of cars at dusk with headlights on. Tell me computers couldn't have done that:)
Well I seriously doubt computer CGI effects done back when that movie was filmed would have been able to match up to the rest of the look of the film. It wasn't Star Wars, you know...
But speaking of that scene, if you listen to the commentary on the DVD, the director tells how the cars weren't actually driving down the road. Because they couldn't coordinate that effectively, they just used the local radio station to tell everyone to start turning their lights on and off repeatedly. When viewed from far away, it had the effect of looking like the cars were slowly driving down the road.
Also the "Field of Dreams" in the movie was actually mostly dead grass. While filming, they had to repeatedly spray paint it green...
i saw the full eclipse last year (in bulgaria) and will definitely have my smoked glass for tonight's
You might want to re-think that smoked glass. According to NASA, "Unsafe filters include color film, some non-silver black and white film, medical x-ray films with images on them, smoked glass, photographic neutral density filters and polarizing filters."
Of course if my response doesn't reach you in time, you won't be able to read it anyway.
"I have no emoticon to express how I'm feeling right now!" -- Comic Book Guy
If I knew who Starband was, however, I might.
I wonder if they pass that string directly to sprintf or whatever.. (and yes, I'm too lazy to find out for myself)
Why, are you planning on running a buffer overflow attack on yourself?
Not to troll, but the front end of Mozilla is ugly as sin. If this browser's going to catch on, what will matter to most mainstream users isn't pipelining, tabbed browsing, or HTML compliance, but the initial first impression of how good it looks. Say what you want about Microsoft, but they hired some standout designers to make IE look gorgeous.
I disagree about the ugliness. Modern looks good. The pinball theme is also nice (I'm using it now). There will be many more once it becomes popular. That's the whole point of skinning. It can look like anything with it's skin-a-bility.
There's nothing stopping someone from copying the MSIE look* exactly, or the Aqua look*, or making something even better.
* Lawsuits notwithstanding.
In Mozilla I am stuck with holding a button that has another function and moving the mouse
You're STUCK with that? I don't think so. See, it's called open source, and... connect the fucking dots.
For keyword, I have it set to 'd'. I can lookup a word by typing "d " on the url bar, and hitting enter.
Whoops, that should have said "d [word]". You type d, then the word you want to lookup, hit enter.
The coolest thing in mozilla is that I can associate a bookmark with a keyword (even just a letter or two), and go to that bookmark through the URL bar with that keyword, even with search terms.
% s
E.g. I have this bookmark for dictionary.com:
http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=
For keyword, I have it set to 'd'. I can lookup a word by typing "d " on the url bar, and hitting enter.
I do similar things for Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=%s), for IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/Find?select=All&for=%s), and especially for various customer searches with our database search engine at work.
This feature saves me TONS of time every day. This alone is enough to keep me using Mozilla as long as it remains stable.
Then you add in the oft-mentioned tabbed browsing, popup blocking, standards compliancy, skinnability, programmability, etc., and it just gets better.
And don't forget, the perfect complement to tabbed browsing -- saving a group of bookmarks as one item ! Perfect.
And what about how much more consistently Mozilla handles links for new windows? MSIE has two shitty behaviors to choose from, which drive me crazy. Either you open up a page in a new window each time , or it tries to re-use windows that are already open, usually picking the one I don't want. Even when clicking on bookmarks, it uses this bizarre behavior. I don't know when they added this 'feature', but it drove me bonkerz.
Jeez, I haven't even gotten to the email client! All the things that drive me nuts in Outlook/Outlook Express are fixed in Mozilla's mail client. It only lacks a couple things I like (Eudora's "redirect" ability, for one).
Finally a mail client that lets me use IMAP without constantly reminding me that I'm looking at a remote message. (What's this outlook crap with drawing a line through a deleted message? I like for the message to disappear, and the focus to move to the next message... thanks mozilla.)
Not perfect, but mozilla is getting there.
...the people I've berated over the years promise not to try and kill me at the convention.
One problem with the mozdev.org link is that I get an "invalid install package" (or similar) error when trying to install icons from that page. The greyrest install works fine, though. :-/
If you're sick of that curly, blue lizard icon that appears on EVERY window, try installing the icons found here:
http://www.grayrest.com/moz/resources/icons.shtml
They're nice looking, and more importantly, I can now differentiate between the browser windows and the mail windows...
Supposedly these and other icons are available from the following page, but it's really slow right now for me...
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/icons.html
Lacks support for IE style layers. Its too much to expect web site devlopers to use more then one layer type. Its time to bite the bullet and support the MS style.
I'd rather Microsoft make MSIE more standards compliant.
General question: I'm seeing stubs more often, and I just don't get the idea. Apart from marketing ("Look! Upgrade your Netscape! Only 200K download!" - conveniently ignoring that it's only the stub, and thereby obfuscating the size of the real download) purposes, what value is added by these "network installer" stubs?
For chrissakes, you are replying to a response which clearly exemplifies the main reason stubs are provided -- people on slow connections that don't want to install certain parts of the program! Why should they have to download everything?
Mozilla provides a complete download as well.
Sheesh.
Sandy: "I want you to kill all the gophers on this course."
Spackler: "Check me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers, they'll lock me up and throw away the key."
Sandy: "The GOPHERS, man! Kill all the GOPHERS!"
I'd prefer to think of this as provocative rather than a flame, there is a difference you know.
It would have been provocative had you given us some examples of languages that might replace Perl for sysadmin and CGI tasks, but you didn't, you just flamed Perl.
So please list these languages I should be using for CGI. And no, I won't use PHP, the glorified mix of Perl and HTML.
Those are great numbers in theory. Too bad the theatre jobs do a very shitty job of projecting film, and the end result is much, much worse than the theoretically inferior DLP, which fucking RULES.
I also wonder why MPEG-4 is ".mp4". ".mp3" isn't for MPEG-3, after all.
.mp4 for MPEG-4 makes much more sense than .mp3 for MPEG-2 Layer 3, in hindsight. (How many .mp2 files do you have laying around?)
That's because geeks at some hoighty-toighty European institute created the MPEG-2 Layer 3 format and file extension, while Steve Jobs wrote Quicktime 6 and it's file extension, all by himself, "out of one, solid block of wood."
Or it could be because
You just rented "service," equipment and all, at a monthly rate, and you could do with it only what the telephone company wanted you to do with it.
It should be clear at this point that the pendulum is swinging back, and that the Tivos, the cable providers, and the software vendors of the world are trying to turn back the clock to that comfortable time when you didn't own and couldn't control ANYTHING in your house that was wired for communications.
It's only a matter of time before video recorders and computers are not sold at all. You simply get to choose the one that's provided free (or for a $1000 installation charge?) with your subscription service.
Nice over-reaction, but you are forgetting one MAJOR point... the telephone company at the time had a huge monopoly!
There is no similar monopoly in the hardware markets that could make me rent all my equipment and not keep control of it.
In order for this to happen, you'd have to have some new type of hardware come out, completely patented, with no alternatives available that could do something similar. And everyone would need to have one of these. THEN and only then could you do something like what ma bell did with rented telephones.
It seems that their server is slashdotted, perhaps it too is built using tube technology.
... working on the tube technology, immediately."
JB: "Get the scientists
KG: "Tube technology..."