I think you do have a good point and i may have to think on this some more.
however, suppose the act of accelerating isn't as simple as you throwing mass from a rocket in 3 spacial dimensions. if you think of mass as a 4 dimensional space-time construct. according to relativity mass also has an effect on time dilation, for example as you approach a massive object time slows down. so by accelerating a rocket you are essentially throwing mass in a 4d space-time vector behind you. so the propellant from your rocket is not only changing your velocity through space, but could potentially also change it through time.
however a possible question arises, on how does throwing that mass on a 4d vector cause time to speed back up to "normal" as your velocity drops...now this might be stretching it a bit, but maybe a way to think of it as similar to how an electric current creates a magnetic field that is perpendicular to a the direction of the current. if you reverse the polarity, or direction the current is moving, it reverses the direction of the magnetic field.
It is very much like a spacial dimension, speaking as a physicist; however, it is also very different.
How is it different? why not just consider it indeed being the same as any other spacial dimension? one in which we have a constant velocity that we currently don't, and maybe never will, know how to change. even if 2 objects in our universe have the same coordinates in 3d space they will still miss each other if their 4th dimension of time is different...ie many cars make it through an intersection because they go through at a different times...when their time is the same is when you have a crash...
that we have a velocity, imparted on us by the big bang, in the time dimension that we don't know how to alter, does not mean it isn't a normal 2 way dimension like the other 3 standard spacial ones. at least to me, thinking of it as being the same as the other dimensions makes for a much simpler model of the universe...remember the earth also used to be the center of the universe back when we didn't know any better.
maybe i am getting off base here, maybe Einstein already mentioned something like this, but my hypothesis is that the speed of light isn't just a speed limit, but also a constant. everything the sum of all velocity for every object in all spacial (plus time) dimensions in the universe is always the speed of light. ie assuming your are sitting still at a computer, we are currently moving at the speed of light in the time dimension. as we increase our speed in the 3 spacial dimensions, time moves slower for us (according to Relativity) thus we are reducing our velocity in the time dimension. so our velocity through time plus our velocity in all spacial dimensions equal some constant strongly related to the speed of light.
this is why i seriously think there should be a constitutional amendment that requires all legislation to be read aloud in both the house and senate prior to the final version being voted on. any senators/representatives not present at the reading should not be allowed to vote.
this keeps 4k page laws that clearly no one has read in its entirety from being passed.
However the local magnetic disturbances however are giving you sensory information. maybe it doesn't accurately point north around them, however it does tell you you are near a large magnetic or electrical source. which itself is information you don't usually get from your normal senses. i would find sensing that sort of interesting itself.
if you want to use that tactic, then wired telephones were just trivial extrapolations of the telegraph. the telegraph was just a trivial extrapolation of sending electricity over wires...and electric batteries were invented some 2k years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery
so clearly nothing "revolutionary" has been invented for at least several thousand years.
except the parking meter collections missing won't really be noticed. The cards are prepaid, and as far as the city knows the money is already in their account. there is nothing for them to collect at the meter, other than the audit log telling how many people parked at it. the city won't necessarily know that the card used to pay for the parking was a fake. they will just see that 75 cards were used to pay for parking but they had only sold 35. my understanding from the article is that the cards themselves hold the balance that is left on them and that internal balance is deducted (on a legitimate card) when told to do so by the meter.
Even better, a direct quote from rosa parks herself!
I did not want to be mistreated, I did not want to be deprived of a seat that I had paid for. It was just time... there was opportunity for me to take a stand to express the way I felt about being treated in that manner. I had not planned to get arrested. I had plenty to do without having to end up in jail.
She got on the bus with the intention of sitting in the "whites only" part of it and getting arrested
this is from your own wikipedia link
Parks was charged with a violation of Chapter 6, Section 11 segregation law of the Montgomery City code,[17] even though she technically had not taken up a white-only seatâ"she had been in a colored section.
She did not get on that bus with the intention of being arrested like many of you seem to be implying. indeed she stood up for civil rights and did not move from her seat when asked to, but that was not her goal that particular day.
yes indeed. i agree that it should never have happened in the first place.
But what you say doesn't refute anything i wrote. we don't know the full details of how that day went down. it was lost through time and she has since been heroified by people like you (which is justifiable) but it means that the exact details of what happened have since been distorted.
oh, well she admitted it did she?? (and you still not citing any sources) that proves it now doesn't it!?!
but just like you said there is this other conflicting story going on somewhere about "she was just too tired". so now which was it? Did she go on that bus with the intention of getting arrested? Or was she just tired that day (possibly was having a bad day) and was just trying to go home without being harassed? and so when accosted said "F U i am too tired to move today".
now given the aftermath neither story really makes her any less of a "hero", but one of those stories is true and one isn't, and now all of the details have been lost to time. That is my entire point, you are all spouting off this information hitting people over the head with it like a truth bat when you don't even really know what happened at the time.
I don't have a problem that she ultimately used this instance to stand up for civil rights, and indeed it is great that she was able to, but none of you really know what happened that day. even talking to Ms. Parks herself shortly before her death, even she probably no longer even remembers the exact details as her own memory probably was clouded by other people retelling her own event.
do you have anything to back up that claim up bub?
she has been heroified so much now it is kind of hard to say what really happened back then, or if the white guy that tried to make her move really was an 8 foot tall ogre with bad breath and smelly feet like it says in the history books. see i can make things up too when i don't have to cite any direct sources.
except they didn't completely ignore the poll. they may not have named the module colbert, but they did at least use the name (the winning one i might add) for a component in the module. and probably used it in a way that had even satisfied colbert and his fans by having a sense of humor about it.
The door in the face (DITF) technique is a persuasion method. Compliance with the request of concern is enhanced by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request.
Theoretically in some states both the girl and her boyfriend could be charged as adults since they are 17. and since they are 17 they could both be charged with statutory rape since neither is 18. and thus could both have to register as sex offenders for consensually having sex...
of course i am not a lawyer, and don't forget the resent article about geeks not being lawyers. however if you very strictly interpret the laws in many states as they are written, i believe what i said above would be possible.
If this god is going to have any sort of interaction with this universe, then it should be observable.
It should be easy to observe this because his interactions with our universe would appear to break the laws of physics. it would be an outside force with no discernible source acting on the universe.
Slashdot Mirror
and a circle technically being a specific type of annulus.
I think you do have a good point and i may have to think on this some more.
however, suppose the act of accelerating isn't as simple as you throwing mass from a rocket in 3 spacial dimensions. if you think of mass as a 4 dimensional space-time construct. according to relativity mass also has an effect on time dilation, for example as you approach a massive object time slows down. so by accelerating a rocket you are essentially throwing mass in a 4d space-time vector behind you. so the propellant from your rocket is not only changing your velocity through space, but could potentially also change it through time.
however a possible question arises, on how does throwing that mass on a 4d vector cause time to speed back up to "normal" as your velocity drops...now this might be stretching it a bit, but maybe a way to think of it as similar to how an electric current creates a magnetic field that is perpendicular to a the direction of the current. if you reverse the polarity, or direction the current is moving, it reverses the direction of the magnetic field.
It is very much like a spacial dimension, speaking as a physicist; however, it is also very different.
How is it different? why not just consider it indeed being the same as any other spacial dimension? one in which we have a constant velocity that we currently don't, and maybe never will, know how to change. even if 2 objects in our universe have the same coordinates in 3d space they will still miss each other if their 4th dimension of time is different...ie many cars make it through an intersection because they go through at a different times...when their time is the same is when you have a crash...
that we have a velocity, imparted on us by the big bang, in the time dimension that we don't know how to alter, does not mean it isn't a normal 2 way dimension like the other 3 standard spacial ones. at least to me, thinking of it as being the same as the other dimensions makes for a much simpler model of the universe...remember the earth also used to be the center of the universe back when we didn't know any better.
maybe i am getting off base here, maybe Einstein already mentioned something like this, but my hypothesis is that the speed of light isn't just a speed limit, but also a constant. everything the sum of all velocity for every object in all spacial (plus time) dimensions in the universe is always the speed of light. ie assuming your are sitting still at a computer, we are currently moving at the speed of light in the time dimension. as we increase our speed in the 3 spacial dimensions, time moves slower for us (according to Relativity) thus we are reducing our velocity in the time dimension. so our velocity through time plus our velocity in all spacial dimensions equal some constant strongly related to the speed of light.
a 2d representation of a torus would be a circle.
this is why i seriously think there should be a constitutional amendment that requires all legislation to be read aloud in both the house and senate prior to the final version being voted on. any senators/representatives not present at the reading should not be allowed to vote.
this keeps 4k page laws that clearly no one has read in its entirety from being passed.
Then they can do their own damned study and spend their own money to do it rather than piggyback on a Federally mandated study.
umm...i thought techies hated re-inventing the wheel?
However the local magnetic disturbances however are giving you sensory information. maybe it doesn't accurately point north around them, however it does tell you you are near a large magnetic or electrical source. which itself is information you don't usually get from your normal senses. i would find sensing that sort of interesting itself.
if you want to use that tactic, then wired telephones were just trivial extrapolations of the telegraph. the telegraph was just a trivial extrapolation of sending electricity over wires...and electric batteries were invented some 2k years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery
so clearly nothing "revolutionary" has been invented for at least several thousand years.
except the parking meter collections missing won't really be noticed. The cards are prepaid, and as far as the city knows
the money is already in their account. there is nothing for them to collect at the meter, other than the audit log telling how many people parked at it. the city won't necessarily know that the card used to pay for the parking was a fake. they will just see that 75 cards were used to pay for parking but they had only sold 35. my understanding from the article is that the cards themselves hold the balance that is left on them and that internal balance is deducted (on a legitimate card) when told to do so by the meter.
If you sold it to the collector for $100 it indeed would be an additional $99.99 income.
They have also never put a stop to it after the practice began
yes because the govt. has shown such wisdom in the past by making it easy to replace social security numbers
the distinction of being on "the other side of the country" doesn't mean a whole lot with the internet.
just because they could be making more money than their potential mates have doesn't mean they still won't pick the one with the largest wallet.
Even better, a direct quote from rosa parks herself!
I did not want to be mistreated, I did not want to be deprived of a seat that I had paid for. It was just time... there was opportunity for me to take a stand to express the way I felt about being treated in that manner. I had not planned to get arrested. I had plenty to do without having to end up in jail.
yes indeed read your own wikipedia link!
this quote is from a some gp of this post
She got on the bus with the intention of sitting in the "whites only" part of it and getting arrested
this is from your own wikipedia link
Parks was charged with a violation of Chapter 6, Section 11 segregation law of the Montgomery City code,[17] even though she technically had not taken up a white-only seatâ"she had been in a colored section.
She did not get on that bus with the intention of being arrested like many of you seem to be implying. indeed she stood up for civil rights and did not move from her seat when asked to, but that was not her goal that particular day.
yes indeed. i agree that it should never have happened in the first place.
But what you say doesn't refute anything i wrote. we don't know the full details of how that day went down. it was lost through time and she has since been heroified by people like you (which is justifiable) but it means that the exact details of what happened have since been distorted.
oh, well she admitted it did she?? (and you still not citing any sources) that proves it now doesn't it!?!
but just like you said there is this other conflicting story going on somewhere about "she was just too tired". so now which was it? Did she go on that bus with the intention of getting arrested? Or was she just tired that day (possibly was having a bad day) and was just trying to go home without being harassed? and so when accosted said "F U i am too tired to move today".
now given the aftermath neither story really makes her any less of a "hero", but one of those stories is true and one isn't, and now all of the details have been lost to time. That is my entire point, you are all spouting off this information hitting people over the head with it like a truth bat when you don't even really know what happened at the time.
I don't have a problem that she ultimately used this instance to stand up for civil rights, and indeed it is great that she was able to, but none of you really know what happened that day. even talking to Ms. Parks herself shortly before her death, even she probably no longer even remembers the exact details as her own memory probably was clouded by other people retelling her own event.
see Bandwagon Effect
this whole conversations has sort of fallen off topic.
do you have anything to back up that claim up bub?
she has been heroified so much now it is kind of hard to say what really happened back then, or if the white guy that tried to make her move really was an 8 foot tall ogre with bad breath and smelly feet like it says in the history books. see i can make things up too when i don't have to cite any direct sources.
indeed...it is exactly how the Electoral College is intended to work.
except they didn't completely ignore the poll. they may not have named the module colbert, but they did at least use the name (the winning one i might add) for a component in the module. and probably used it in a way that had even satisfied colbert and his fans by having a sense of humor about it.
it seems they are trying this
The door in the face (DITF) technique is a persuasion method. Compliance with the request of concern is enhanced by first making an extremely large request that the respondent will obviously turn down. The respondent is then more likely to accede to a second, more reasonable request than if this second request were made without the first, extreme request.
Theoretically in some states both the girl and her boyfriend could be charged as adults since they are 17. and since they are 17 they could both be charged with statutory rape since neither is 18. and thus could both have to register as sex offenders for consensually having sex...
of course i am not a lawyer, and don't forget the resent article about geeks not being lawyers. however if you very strictly interpret the laws in many states as they are written, i believe what i said above would be possible.
but we can make a table saw that won't cut a hot dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9OLIzMa4Oo
If this god is going to have any sort of interaction with this universe, then it should be observable.
It should be easy to observe this because his interactions with our universe would appear to break the laws of physics. it would be an outside force with no discernible source acting on the universe.