> Because the Linux-using community represents such a small percentage of their customer base that it doesn't make financial sense for them to spend the resources to specifically cater to it.
The only problem with that smug little answer is that linux users have arguably a similar percentage to mac users, and they are not going away, but rather growing. Many vendors, the more clueful ones at any rate, know about and support the 3 major OS platforms: pc, mac and linux. The only explanation I can think of for shutting out potential customers is ignorance.
Oh, I dunno, I'm always open to useful tools. A bit of fanboi dramatics isn't enough to deter me.
Just out of curiosity, does iworks grok ODF? There's also the price point, but either way I intend to check them both out on my macbook and see which gives me more bang for the buck.
> Of course, I'd love to see Novell drive a stake through SCO by releasing the UNIX copyrights into the public domain
Why abandon it to the public domain? What a waste. Better to put it under the protection of the GPL.
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The "what I like about SCO" story is a case of a mistaken urban legend. I recognize the story about the server-in-the-walled-up-closet, having heard it myself several times, but there was no mention of SCO in the version I heard - it was always Netware. You know, Novell Netware?
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Ah yes, it's all clear now. Diet Mountain Dew is the one I'm looking for....
The OP is spot on - I've been playing 3D FPS for years, as a linux user, and in my experience linux handles gaming nicely. The good performance of the native linux games is ample evidence of that.
The quake 3 arena I bought in 1999 still runs like a champ on my current linux desktop running SuSE 10.2. Other native linux games that run nicely are doom3, quake 4, ut2004, RtCW. ET, etc.
The "barriers" to linmux gaming are not technical at all, they are political, if they exist at all.
Wow, if that ever happened, wouldn't it be ironic - I can imagine a future where linux has been effectively preempted by the mega corporations, while Solaris is fully GPL'd and becomes the default first choice for the typical savvy unix admin.
In any case, I'll be getting to know Solaris 10 better in the coming months, but the GPL would just put it over the top.
The assertions are ridiculous on the face of it, obviously prepared by someone with an agenda, and not even a bit subtle.
As an IT professional, I can tell you that if any of our linux servers were to go down, there would be people screaming bloody murder all over the place within a few moments. Downtime is unacceptable for infrastructure services, and linux has performed flawlessly for the fortune 100 company where I am employed.
I think as other posters have noted, the key piece of information that was unwittingly leaked, was that the survey was only open to windoze shops, and most likely included some mcse's linux test boxes in the downtime data figues. That's really the only thing that makes sense, as downtime simply wouldn't be tolerated in a normal production environment.
Anyone who is works with linux professionally and is aware of the fact that it's been running 24x7 for years at amazon.com and other firms such as my own employer, will find it quite odd to read about all this extended downtime and the nonsensical reasons given for it.
Mr Torvalds has led this particular open source project for the past 15 years. Thus he is by definition a leader. To say that he is not a leader because there are other open source projects is missing the point.
As if that weren't enough, Linux is certainly among the most ambitious and far reaching open source projects ever.
Just for laughs, we'd love to hear your candidates for "an open source leader", and your rationale.
Um, no... the system running the updated kernel would still not be vulnerable in the normal sense. Did you really think normal users were able to infect linux system binaries with this "virus"?
One thing that is vulnerable would be an instance of windoze running in linux under wine, since everything in wine is owned by the user running it.
Of course, as some will quickly remind me, if you were to log into a linux system as root, deliberately "infect" a system binary, and then run the infected binary as root, you'd have real problems - but that is obviously a contrived example, and a far cry from the ease with which windoze systems are quickly owned and turned into swarms of spambots via common windoze viruses...
I would love a shot at your job in the so-called SuSE institution, so why do you hang around moping and wishing it were debian? Why not go find your debian gig?
BTW pls send me your manager's email address, and we'll begin the dialogue.
(shrug) who cares? windoze users will user whatever they use... in the meantime I'm happy to see some healthy competition among linux office suites with interchangeble document formats...
I don't think I've ever seen a linux sales rep wearing sandals, nor a ponytail. Suits or business casual is the only type of apparel I can remember seeing on any of the reps from redhat, novell, etc.
Sounds like the same old sour grapes from the bsd diehards...
Sure, I love bsd as much as the next guy, but seriously - the bsds have more rigid professionalism? more emphasis on correctness over features? Given the amount of improvement in the linux kernel over the past 10 years, compared to that of the bsds, that seems a curious statement.
BTW I'll see your yahoo, and raise you a google and an amazon.com.
I also wanted to put usb wlan devices on linux, but rather than give up as the previous poster did, I merely did some googling to find out which usb adapters had inux support, and armed with that information, I located some dlink dwl-122 adapters online for $22 each.
The dwl-122s been working just fine for the linux systems in our environment ever since.
Of course, there is always room for improvement, and so naturally I look forward to better driver management, better integration of wpa etc. The ndiswrapper is a neat hack, and perhaps a neccessary kludge for some, but long term I don't like the idea - the best bet is native drivers, and kudos to the manufacturers who make that possible e.g. intel.
kpharmer says: I think that it's unfortunate that some linux advocates are unable to accept the idea that any OS can be better at anything than Linux. Even admitting that linux will probably surpass unix in five years isn't enough - they demand that you admit that it is in all ways better than unix right now.
Yes, that is unfortunate - or would be I suppose, except that I've never met any linux users with the mindset you describe. We do feel, though, that this supposed gap in (performance/stability/enterprise-readiness) between linux and it's elder brethren is a bit overstated.
It's common knowledge that Linus will not tolerate any kernel modifications that increase performance on high-end machines at the expense of the common case. This may not be the absolute best decision for the 32-way database server, but it makes good sense for the vast majority of usage scenarios. Unlike AIX, Linux will never be optimized strictly for high-end hardware - Linux doesn't have that luxury, nor that narrow a niche.
Even though it must perform well over a broad range of hardware scale and capability, that doesn't mean that Linux is neccesarily a slouch on high-end hardware. It just means that kernel modfications to enhance high-end performance must be clever enough that they don't harm low-end performance. This requires more skill and more effort, and it takes longer for high end performance enhancements to make their way into the main tree, but the results are worth it in the long run.
Ill gladly concede absolute optimization of Linux performance for extreme high end hardware, if it means that it performs respectably in 99% of real life situations.
kpharmer said: Sure, I'd actually recommend both. Want to run websevers or print servers? Linux works fine. Want to run critical app or database servers? AIX is a better fit. Obviously linux will be better on desktops or laptops.
The "print server" comment sounds like some FUD from the late 90s.
Do you have any evidence to support your statement that AIX is somehow better than linux for databases or critical apps? Sure, you can use AIX for those things - but linux is certainly a viable choice. With 30 million customers and 24x7 operation, amazon.com seems to indicate that linux does a fine job powering web services and back end databases.
AIX somehow "better"? Sure it's mature and stable, but it is showing its age, and it is a bit eccentric. And note that IBM is careful never to compare AIX performance against a 2.6 kernel on similar hardware - but they are always quite keen to show the scalability of AIX as compared to the obsolete 2.4 kernel.
BTW I see we are still trotting out the old "low end x86" spiel - that is really tired, BTW. SGI will sell you a 256 CPU, 64 bit linux server right now if you've got a million bucks.
And what about the fact that linux is dominating the supercomputing space? can anyone really imagine that we are still talking about "low end x86"?
I think some dinosaurs see their way of life threatened by linux, so the dismissal of linux' capabilities is a perfecly understandable psychological defense mechanism. I trust that time will teach these folks a lesson or two.
pizzaman said: The movie is what it is - a children's fairy tale. My 9 year old daughter absolutely loved it. But if you can't check your mind at the door, you won't like the movie.
Eh? My mind was fully engaged, and I thought it was great. I may not be the typical slashdotter though, whetever that is.
I'd never heard of CS Lewis until I was in my 20s, but loved the Chronicles, the space trilogy and other Lewis books e.g. Til we have faces & The Great Divorce.
Well, that's interesting - the putty site now has a "putty for unix" source tarball available. I had never heard of it being ported to linux. But, like I say, in the unix world we just use ssh, so I'm not sure that putty would really buy me anything, apart from the novelty factor...
Maybe if I run across putty in a package for my distro one day when I'm feeling exceptionally bored, I'll check it out...
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I format the disk, install linux, no problem - I"ve never seen any malware ;)
> Because the Linux-using community represents such a small percentage of their customer base that it doesn't make financial sense for them to spend the resources to specifically cater to it.
The only problem with that smug little answer is that linux users have arguably a similar percentage to mac users, and they are not going away, but rather growing. Many vendors, the more clueful ones at any rate, know about and support the 3 major OS platforms: pc, mac and linux. The only explanation I can think of for shutting out potential customers is ignorance.
Oh, I dunno, I'm always open to useful tools. A bit of fanboi dramatics isn't enough to deter me.
Just out of curiosity, does iworks grok ODF? There's also the price point, but either way I intend to check them both out on my macbook and see which gives me more bang for the buck.
cgi-bin? hmm, not too familiar with php, are we?
> Of course, I'd love to see Novell drive a stake through SCO by releasing the UNIX copyrights into the public domain
Why abandon it to the public domain? What a waste. Better to put it under the protection of the GPL.
The "what I like about SCO" story is a case of a mistaken urban legend. I recognize the story about the server-in-the-walled-up-closet, having heard it myself several times, but there was no mention of SCO in the version I heard - it was always Netware. You know, Novell Netware?
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55.2 mg/12 oz Diet Mountain Dew
54.8 mg/12 oz Mountain Dew
46.5 mg/12 oz Mountain Lightning
46.3 mg/12 oz Diet Coke
44.1 mg/12 oz Diet Dr Pepper
42.6 mg/12 oz Dr Pepper
38.9 mg/12 oz Pepsi
36.7 mg/12 oz Diet Pepsi
30.6 mg/12 oz Dr Thunder
29.9 mg/12 oz Diet Dr Thunder
13.3 mg/12 oz Sam's Diet Cola
12.7 mg/12 oz Sam's Cola
Ah yes, it's all clear now. Diet Mountain Dew is the one I'm looking for....
The OP is spot on - I've been playing 3D FPS for years, as a linux user, and in my experience linux handles gaming nicely. The good performance of the native linux games is ample evidence of that.
The quake 3 arena I bought in 1999 still runs like a champ on my current linux desktop running SuSE 10.2. Other native linux games that run nicely are doom3, quake 4, ut2004, RtCW. ET, etc.
The "barriers" to linmux gaming are not technical at all, they are political, if they exist at all.
Why, what's wrong with suse? it's a fine distro.
Wow, if that ever happened, wouldn't it be ironic - I can imagine a future where linux has been effectively preempted by the mega corporations, while Solaris is fully GPL'd and becomes the default first choice for the typical savvy unix admin.
In any case, I'll be getting to know Solaris 10 better in the coming months, but the GPL would just put it over the top.
um, the same thing it tells you when all the "minor" computer vendors who load *only* ms windoze fail to get promoted to "major" computer vendors?
The assertions are ridiculous on the face of it, obviously prepared by someone with an agenda, and not even a bit subtle.
As an IT professional, I can tell you that if any of our linux servers were to go down, there would be people screaming bloody murder all over the place within a few moments. Downtime is unacceptable for infrastructure services, and linux has performed flawlessly for the fortune 100 company where I am employed.
I think as other posters have noted, the key piece of information that was unwittingly leaked, was that the survey was only open to windoze shops, and most likely included some mcse's linux test boxes in the downtime data figues. That's really the only thing that makes sense, as downtime simply wouldn't be tolerated in a normal production environment.
Anyone who is works with linux professionally and is aware of the fact that it's been running 24x7 for years at amazon.com and other firms such as my own employer, will find it quite odd to read about all this extended downtime and the nonsensical reasons given for it.
Mr Torvalds has led this particular open source project for the past 15 years. Thus he is by definition a leader. To say that he is not a leader because there are other open source projects is missing the point.
As if that weren't enough, Linux is certainly among the most ambitious and far reaching open source projects ever.
Just for laughs, we'd love to hear your candidates for "an open source leader", and your rationale.
Um, no... the system running the updated kernel would still not be vulnerable in the normal sense. Did you really think normal users were able to infect linux system binaries with this "virus"?
One thing that is vulnerable would be an instance of windoze running in linux under wine, since everything in wine is owned by the user running it.
Of course, as some will quickly remind me, if you were to log into a linux system as root, deliberately "infect" a system binary, and then run the infected binary as root, you'd have real problems - but that is obviously a contrived example, and a far cry from the ease with which windoze systems are quickly owned and turned into swarms of spambots via common windoze viruses...
I would love a shot at your job in the so-called SuSE institution, so why do you hang around moping and wishing it were debian? Why not go find your debian gig?
BTW pls send me your manager's email address, and we'll begin the dialogue.
(shrug) who cares? windoze users will user whatever they use... in the meantime I'm happy to see some healthy competition among linux office suites with interchangeble document formats...
I don't think I've ever seen a linux sales rep wearing sandals, nor a ponytail. Suits or business casual is the only type of apparel I can remember seeing on any of the reps from redhat, novell, etc.
Sounds like the same old sour grapes from the bsd diehards...
Sure, I love bsd as much as the next guy, but seriously - the bsds have more rigid professionalism? more emphasis on correctness over features? Given the amount of improvement in the linux kernel over the past 10 years, compared to that of the bsds, that seems a curious statement.
BTW I'll see your yahoo, and raise you a google and an amazon.com.
I also wanted to put usb wlan devices on linux, but rather than give up as the previous poster did, I merely did some googling to find out which usb adapters had inux support, and armed with that information, I located some dlink dwl-122 adapters online for $22 each.
The dwl-122s been working just fine for the linux systems in our environment ever since.
Of course, there is always room for improvement, and so naturally I look forward to better driver management, better integration of wpa etc. The ndiswrapper is a neat hack, and perhaps a neccessary kludge for some, but long term I don't like the idea - the best bet is native drivers, and kudos to the manufacturers who make that possible e.g. intel.
kpharmer says: I think that it's unfortunate that some linux advocates are unable to accept the idea that any OS can be better at anything than Linux. Even admitting that linux will probably surpass unix in five years isn't enough - they demand that you admit that it is in all ways better than unix right now.
Yes, that is unfortunate - or would be I suppose, except that I've never met any linux users with the mindset you describe. We do feel, though, that this supposed gap in (performance/stability/enterprise-readiness) between linux and it's elder brethren is a bit overstated.
It's common knowledge that Linus will not tolerate any kernel modifications that increase performance on high-end machines at the expense of the common case. This may not be the absolute best decision for the 32-way database server, but it makes good sense for the vast majority of usage scenarios. Unlike AIX, Linux will never be optimized strictly for high-end hardware - Linux doesn't have that luxury, nor that narrow a niche.
Even though it must perform well over a broad range of hardware scale and capability, that doesn't mean that Linux is neccesarily a slouch on high-end hardware. It just means that kernel modfications to enhance high-end performance must be clever enough that they don't harm low-end performance. This requires more skill and more effort, and it takes longer for high end performance enhancements to make their way into the main tree, but the results are worth it in the long run.
Ill gladly concede absolute optimization of Linux performance for extreme high end hardware, if it means that it performs respectably in 99% of real life situations.
kpharmer said: Sure, I'd actually recommend both. Want to run websevers or print servers? Linux works fine. Want to run critical app or database servers? AIX is a better fit. Obviously linux will be better on desktops or laptops.
The "print server" comment sounds like some FUD from the late 90s.
Do you have any evidence to support your statement that AIX is somehow better than linux for databases or critical apps? Sure, you can use AIX for those things - but linux is certainly a viable choice. With 30 million customers and 24x7 operation, amazon.com seems to indicate that linux does a fine job powering web services and back end databases.
AIX somehow "better"? Sure it's mature and stable, but it is showing its age, and it is a bit eccentric. And note that IBM is careful never to compare AIX performance against a 2.6 kernel on similar hardware - but they are always quite keen to show the scalability of AIX as compared to the obsolete 2.4 kernel.
BTW I see we are still trotting out the old "low end x86" spiel - that is really tired, BTW. SGI will sell you a 256 CPU, 64 bit linux server right now if you've got a million bucks.
And what about the fact that linux is dominating the supercomputing space? can anyone really imagine that we are still talking about "low end x86"?
I think some dinosaurs see their way of life threatened by linux, so the dismissal of linux' capabilities is a perfecly understandable psychological defense mechanism. I trust that time will teach these folks a lesson or two.
The downside is that most people can't use it.
Eh? What's stopping them then?
The article says that "it delivers unwanted software to a victim's computer"...
Um, no. It delivers unwanted software only to hapless users of microsoft OSes. Those running OSX, Linux, BSD etc are completely unaffected.
pizzaman said: The movie is what it is - a children's fairy tale. My 9 year old daughter absolutely loved it. But if you can't check your mind at the door, you won't like the movie.
Eh? My mind was fully engaged, and I thought it was great. I may not be the typical slashdotter though, whetever that is.
I'd never heard of CS Lewis until I was in my 20s, but loved the Chronicles, the space trilogy and other Lewis books e.g. Til we have faces & The Great Divorce.
Well, that's interesting - the putty site now has a "putty for unix" source tarball available. I had never heard of it being ported to linux. But, like I say, in the unix world we just use ssh, so I'm not sure that putty would really buy me anything, apart from the novelty factor...
Maybe if I run across putty in a package for my distro one day when I'm feeling exceptionally bored, I'll check it out...
Thanks for the tip