I thought you OSX guys could emulate everything in Windows so you'd never have to go back to MS to run your old programs. Or have I been horribly misled.
If I could port about 6 programs to Linux, I'd be tempted to switch the entire office to Ubuntu just to piss off Ballmer (not that he would care, but it's the thought that counts). I've already got a migration plan started to go from SBS2003 to Ubuntu (mail) and slackware (well, unRaid, but it's built on slackware). I use so little of 2003 it's not like I'm losing much.
Picasa is nothing short of revolutionary for photo management, imho. Since my wife is the one who will be doing most of the work, it's got to be dead simple. I have to deal with it, so it can't be fucking around with my file folder structure (brb...GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMNED KIDS...sorry). Now that I've had a chance to play with it, it's one of the programs I'd pay for (if it weren't free). I suppose you could say I'm paying for it with my privacy...
First - ignore it. If they're really interested and legitimate, they'll ask again, more than likely with a number attached.
If they contact you a second time (and they will if there's a CEO prodding an underling to get the name), tell them that you are not interested, as you currently are using the domain for (insert several uses here) and after (length of time you've owed it) of regular use, the effort to switch to another name would be a significant burden.
Rinse and repeat until either the number they throw at you is large enough to cover your legal bills for escrow, transfer agreements and execution (I would budget $5-10k) and clear enough to really make a difference in your finances. That might be $10k or $100k or more depending on your situation. If they don't come back, then you get to keep your domain.
If you get close to an agreement, I would seriously consider leasing the domain name as suggested above instead of selling, if you can't give up your email address. Put a 10 year lease on it with an option to purchase at the end. You can then get - and transfer - all your stuff over to a.us (or other) domain during that time, while requiring through the lease deal that they use forwarding to keep your emails coming at least during the lease period. Having had my domain for a decade, and having missed my.com by 3 months, I would opt for the lease or nothing short of $100k.
Show me a stable laptop system that can run AutoCAD, RISA 3D, and has printer drivers for a Kyocera-Mita 3650 (our $20,000 scanner/plotter) without needing $1000 in tech support a year and I'm ready to jump. XP hasn't crashed on me in...well, since the motherboard went bad about two years ago. In business, you stick with what works. If I could have kept NT3.5, I probably would have.
I don't know...are you having problems with Comcast in J & SK, too? See, this thread was about US service. Taking the idiom "real world" and thinking I'm referring to the global internet conditions, makes little sense.
Still, if you can find support that more than 2% of the world's residential connections are faster than 2.5Mb (the speed it would take to download a 25GB movie in a day), I'm willing to stand corrected. I'll even let you use stats for number of connections instead of land area, just to give you a running start.
Negative pressure notwithstanding, the downside is that during cooling months you'll add a latent heat load to the building. You'd be better off putting in two fans which cross ventilate the server room, pulling air from the rest of the building, through the server room, then back out to the building. This might be partially accomplished by re-routing the return to pull a large portion of the recirculated air from the room and getting grates/louvers for the doors. Of course, that will fuck up the building load balancing. I suppose if you only had one wall, you could put a small air conditioner on an _interior_ wall and provide a drip cup for the condensate. You should have very little condensate since the room is already conditioned, and in the winter you'll have the advantage of heating the rest of the building with the waste heat from the servers. It will be more efficient in the summer since it's working against a cooler sink temperature. Also, you won't need to worry about exterior wall penetrations and flashing. Of course, having a heat source - and a noisy one at that - facing into an interior space is bound to cause some griping from the rest of the staff.
I presume the GP implied downloading the data of a BluRay disc from content delivery services in its original format. Don't be so pedantic. HD can be downloaded after being recompressed and 720p movies fit rather nicely (and still look good at 120" preojection) onto a 4.5GB file, so it's really no worse than getting a DVD. Then again, getting a bit for bit BluRay version of a movie would seriously tax all but a select few high speed residential connections in the real world.
If you read your TOS, there's almost certainly a clause that says they may alter the agreement at any time and - if you're lucky - they will give you a period during which you may either accept the new terms or terminate your service without penalty.
If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Of course, for most of the US, that's akin to the Agent's line in Matrix. Where are you going to go, anyway?
What it really comes down to is getting rid of the heavy users to free up the lines for the occasional users (like me). Of course, I hated Adelphia (which became Comcast) so much I canceled my service and live on 768k DSL. I get more reliable service that costs 1/3 as much and has never been slower than my peak (91kB/s, typ) regardless of time of day in return for the slower rate. Of course, I pay for 3Mbit at work, so I download big stuff there mostly, but it's still cheaper and more reliable than Comcast.
Desktop black: check Icons at a minimum: check Window style: classic; I go with "brick" with a black desktop Screen saver: none; powersave in battery mode
Seriously...I like my stuff simple and organized. I'd definitely call this a feature. Then again, I don't give a shit. I buy almost exclusively Dell computers, and the OEM tying to the BIOS is a serious feature for me. Lets me almost entirely avoid the whole activation thing. If I had to do it over again, I'd buy a dell box instead of building a box for my media center. I'll run linux, or some civilized OS should one exist, on my homebrew boxes from now on.
Depends. If there's a buttload of money to be made, and there really is a chance to win, a firm with a mac-hater as a principal partner might take it on a larger-than normal contingency. If there's a potential settlement that could be in the 8 digit range, it might just be worth it.
Seriously, I know it's not identical, but I don't remember enough about the circumstances to know if it may apply here. The same intent appears to be true - you can't run our software on a generic machine. In this case, of course, Apple actually sells the software; in the old one, I think Phoenix reverse-engineered the software. Seems like this would be even less difficult to find in favor of the clone-maker.
I'm sure there are several/.ers who will disagree. Please read below for their reasoned responses:-)
I don't surf at home too much; maybe 10-12 evenings/days a month. It was not uncommon to have an outage every month, and often I'd have two, or at least an extended one which covered two sessions. For me, that's 15% down. Sure, it may have been up for 700 out of the 720 hours a month, but uptime for me is measured by the amount I get to use it when I want to use it. I had outages as long as 10 days waiting for service to troubleshoot a problem. Adelphia (which has become Comcast) really was amazingly poor.
It's mostly due to competition. Cherry picking the population centers is how you get the most customers per mile of cable. That's why you can get high speeds in cities (and new 'burbs), but the rural towns just 100 to 200 miles out are still on dialup. The more they try and consolidate on pop centers, the higher the speeds go. Sometimes it's just the threat of competition that ups speeds. Where I am, Comcast doubled everybody's speed when Verizon was considering wiring for FIOS. Then Verizon decided to skip us. Not that it mattered. Comcast had about a 85% uptime on the service I had, and their lowest tier (3.0/768) was four times the price of Verizons basic DSL (768/128). I need always on more than I need expensive, fast-except-during-peak-times internet so I'm still with Verizon.
I presume you're being sarcastic, in which case I agree. A computer is fantastic at solving complex problems to a very high precision - far higher than possible by humans. The problem is that computers - and many who operate them - don't know whether the answer is correct, just that the answer has forty significant figures. You need pencil and paper (and a sliderule or a calculator) to find out of the answer is correct. The more complex a problem you set out to solve, the more important is is to know approximately what the answer _should_ be before you get the computer's solution.
Good engineers can perform detailed calculations to within 5%, with computers to within 0.1% or better. The best engineers can tell you the answer to within 10 or 15% with nothing more than a pencil and a 3x3 post-it. The good thing about engineering is that 10% is accurate enough for most calculations. If your margin of safety is less than 10%, you're just asking for failure.
You should, instead, lament the fact that The Reagan administration got rid of practically all of the corporate knowledge base as NASA in hopes of reducing the number of civil servants in favor of contractors they felt they could simply scale up and down as needed. The actual effect was to push out anyone capable of holding their own in the private marketplace. Some stayed at contractors for a while, while others simply left for other lines of work. Those at contractors stayed until the work dried up, and were then laid off by said contractors. At that point, they went to find jobs elsewhere.
When NASA needed to staff up for anything, the contractors were paid to go hire people. The problem is that they went and hired younger, cheaper engineers with no experience in spaceflight. The kind of work NASA does is, for the most part, pretty specialized. Many NASA engineers can find work in other industries and be productive fairly quickly because they (a) have core competency in very custom work and (b) industry has an old guard to give them the specific training in the new specialty. Conversely, bringing in an average engineer with "pick it out of a book" mentality is going to take forever to relearn the advanced basics (I call them that - it's the 4000/5000/6000 level stuff you learn in college; not hard, per say, but complex and _not_ part of a typical engineer's day to day life). Couple that with practically _no_ old guard to teach them the intricacies and anomalies of spaceflight work and you've destined to have a slow, painful, and failure-rich engineering process.
While the "how" is written down many places, the "why" isn't as apparent from a stack of prints. And though there are huge books of "lessons learned" on many projects, it's not easy to capture decades of experience and apply them real time given the capacity of individual human brains. What they need is continuity, not librarians.
I think you have a very poor box of CFLs. I have a room I light - somewhat reluctantly - with CFLs. You see, I'm not a big fan of them becuase of warmup time, color temperature and RF interference during their warmup period (I use IR distribution in my house for audio/video control, and turning on a CFL close to a non-shielded IR sensor floods the line with noise). Still, in this room I want lots of light - 12 recessed cans to be exact - as it is a play room for my daughter, but is in the basement. I far prefer to destroy the world with a dozen 100W lamps, but being an older house, there is only one, small AC duct which runs to the room so I have very little capacity to cool the room. A dozen 23 watt CFLs produce as much - or more - subjective light than when I had 1.2kW of incandescent burning brightly. They really are that efficient...they just produce generally sucky light and you can't dim them.
Your bag point is reasonably taken, and the ones I own haven't paid back in the year I've owned them quite yet. I use five to take the place of about 12-13 disposable bags every week at the market. Still, they are in good shape and I expect to get at least two more years out of them at the least. Iirc, the "cost" of a disposable bag is about a penny, wheres the bags I got were about $1.50. If you equate cost with energy consumption (a reasonable measure btw), I would have to save 150 disposable bags to cover a reusable one. 52 weeks x 2.5 disp bags/non-disp bag = 130bags saved to date. I'll break even sometime in November. Some people aren't as careful, though, so ymmv.
Carbon trading is, I'll agree, a scam. It may be well intentioned, but it's really just a group hug with a big loophole to exploit.
And what voltage do you recommend for your single power socket? 12V? 6V? 5V? 3.3V? maybe 1.5 or 0.8V? Perhaps just a simple 24 and let everybody downconvert?
Most mfrs want to minimize the need for conversion in their devices. This would get you from AC to DC, but would not quite buy you a universal solution.
I was thinking very much the same. As much as having another "wife" around would be useful, having another "husband" would likely be even more useful. It seems that there are no end to the tasks which I don't seem to have time for. With only one child, though, the traditional female activities are relatively light (well, within the capability of one woman, especially if she could get a fractional helper at times).
The overall problem with this scenario is that, unlike many (it seems), my wife and I are an exclusively bonded pair, sexually speaking - we don't want anyone else in the mix. Two couples would seem a nearly ideal mix, but to find two more life partners who wouldn't share intimacy to "fill in the gaps" (sorry, no pun intended) would be exceedingly difficult to make work, imho.
And they did so without any performance enhancement, other than just being younger than they wee supposed to.
The rule is in place partly because youth, in this particular instance, is a performance enhancement. Imagine if this were a competition to traverse an 30" diameter pipe as quickly as possible, but the contestants had to be at least 8 years old. A small 5 year old might be able to stand up and run nearly full speed, but all the other competitors would have to be hunched over or crawl. That would be an obvious advantage, and against the rules.
The girls, who presumably have been asked their age and - if they are under 16 - lied about it, should have their medal stripped just as quickly as those who use performance enhancing drugs and steroids. Those are really just minor changes as well, but we've deemed them to be counter to our rules.
Because Apple gets a premium for its product based on the style and the "just works" philosophy. Nearly everyone will agree that apple products do not have the breadth of features or the extent of customization of many other products in their respective niche. Their market success has been based on the basic feature set being nearly bulletproof - a claim that many others cannot make. This is exactly the thing Apple users have come to forget happens with mediocre CE.
It also means that someone wasn't minding the store when it went out, and it can mean a serious problem with their growth process. Steve can't be around to hold their hand forever.
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I thought you OSX guys could emulate everything in Windows so you'd never have to go back to MS to run your old programs. Or have I been horribly misled.
If I could port about 6 programs to Linux, I'd be tempted to switch the entire office to Ubuntu just to piss off Ballmer (not that he would care, but it's the thought that counts). I've already got a migration plan started to go from SBS2003 to Ubuntu (mail) and slackware (well, unRaid, but it's built on slackware). I use so little of 2003 it's not like I'm losing much.
Picasa is nothing short of revolutionary for photo management, imho. Since my wife is the one who will be doing most of the work, it's got to be dead simple. I have to deal with it, so it can't be fucking around with my file folder structure (brb...GET OFF MY LAWN YOU DAMNED KIDS...sorry). Now that I've had a chance to play with it, it's one of the programs I'd pay for (if it weren't free). I suppose you could say I'm paying for it with my privacy...
It is kind of sad. He was one of those recognizable voices that seemed to be beyond an actual human.
First - ignore it. If they're really interested and legitimate, they'll ask again, more than likely with a number attached.
If they contact you a second time (and they will if there's a CEO prodding an underling to get the name), tell them that you are not interested, as you currently are using the domain for (insert several uses here) and after (length of time you've owed it) of regular use, the effort to switch to another name would be a significant burden.
Rinse and repeat until either the number they throw at you is large enough to cover your legal bills for escrow, transfer agreements and execution (I would budget $5-10k) and clear enough to really make a difference in your finances. That might be $10k or $100k or more depending on your situation. If they don't come back, then you get to keep your domain.
If you get close to an agreement, I would seriously consider leasing the domain name as suggested above instead of selling, if you can't give up your email address. Put a 10 year lease on it with an option to purchase at the end. You can then get - and transfer - all your stuff over to a .us (or other) domain during that time, while requiring through the lease deal that they use forwarding to keep your emails coming at least during the lease period. Having had my domain for a decade, and having missed my .com by 3 months, I would opt for the lease or nothing short of $100k.
Show me a stable laptop system that can run AutoCAD, RISA 3D, and has printer drivers for a Kyocera-Mita 3650 (our $20,000 scanner/plotter) without needing $1000 in tech support a year and I'm ready to jump. XP hasn't crashed on me in...well, since the motherboard went bad about two years ago. In business, you stick with what works. If I could have kept NT3.5, I probably would have.
I don't know...are you having problems with Comcast in J & SK, too? See, this thread was about US service. Taking the idiom "real world" and thinking I'm referring to the global internet conditions, makes little sense.
Still, if you can find support that more than 2% of the world's residential connections are faster than 2.5Mb (the speed it would take to download a 25GB movie in a day), I'm willing to stand corrected. I'll even let you use stats for number of connections instead of land area, just to give you a running start.
Negative pressure notwithstanding, the downside is that during cooling months you'll add a latent heat load to the building. You'd be better off putting in two fans which cross ventilate the server room, pulling air from the rest of the building, through the server room, then back out to the building. This might be partially accomplished by re-routing the return to pull a large portion of the recirculated air from the room and getting grates/louvers for the doors. Of course, that will fuck up the building load balancing. I suppose if you only had one wall, you could put a small air conditioner on an _interior_ wall and provide a drip cup for the condensate. You should have very little condensate since the room is already conditioned, and in the winter you'll have the advantage of heating the rest of the building with the waste heat from the servers. It will be more efficient in the summer since it's working against a cooler sink temperature. Also, you won't need to worry about exterior wall penetrations and flashing. Of course, having a heat source - and a noisy one at that - facing into an interior space is bound to cause some griping from the rest of the staff.
I presume the GP implied downloading the data of a BluRay disc from content delivery services in its original format. Don't be so pedantic. HD can be downloaded after being recompressed and 720p movies fit rather nicely (and still look good at 120" preojection) onto a 4.5GB file, so it's really no worse than getting a DVD. Then again, getting a bit for bit BluRay version of a movie would seriously tax all but a select few high speed residential connections in the real world.
If you read your TOS, there's almost certainly a clause that says they may alter the agreement at any time and - if you're lucky - they will give you a period during which you may either accept the new terms or terminate your service without penalty.
If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Of course, for most of the US, that's akin to the Agent's line in Matrix. Where are you going to go, anyway?
What it really comes down to is getting rid of the heavy users to free up the lines for the occasional users (like me). Of course, I hated Adelphia (which became Comcast) so much I canceled my service and live on 768k DSL. I get more reliable service that costs 1/3 as much and has never been slower than my peak (91kB/s, typ) regardless of time of day in return for the slower rate. Of course, I pay for 3Mbit at work, so I download big stuff there mostly, but it's still cheaper and more reliable than Comcast.
Desktop black: check
Icons at a minimum: check
Window style: classic; I go with "brick" with a black desktop
Screen saver: none; powersave in battery mode
Seriously...I like my stuff simple and organized. I'd definitely call this a feature. Then again, I don't give a shit. I buy almost exclusively Dell computers, and the OEM tying to the BIOS is a serious feature for me. Lets me almost entirely avoid the whole activation thing. If I had to do it over again, I'd buy a dell box instead of building a box for my media center. I'll run linux, or some civilized OS should one exist, on my homebrew boxes from now on.
Depends. If there's a buttload of money to be made, and there really is a chance to win, a firm with a mac-hater as a principal partner might take it on a larger-than normal contingency. If there's a potential settlement that could be in the 8 digit range, it might just be worth it.
Seriously, I know it's not identical, but I don't remember enough about the circumstances to know if it may apply here. The same intent appears to be true - you can't run our software on a generic machine. In this case, of course, Apple actually sells the software; in the old one, I think Phoenix reverse-engineered the software. Seems like this would be even less difficult to find in favor of the clone-maker.
I'm sure there are several /.ers who will disagree. Please read below for their reasoned responses :-)
I don't surf at home too much; maybe 10-12 evenings/days a month. It was not uncommon to have an outage every month, and often I'd have two, or at least an extended one which covered two sessions. For me, that's 15% down. Sure, it may have been up for 700 out of the 720 hours a month, but uptime for me is measured by the amount I get to use it when I want to use it. I had outages as long as 10 days waiting for service to troubleshoot a problem. Adelphia (which has become Comcast) really was amazingly poor.
It's mostly due to competition. Cherry picking the population centers is how you get the most customers per mile of cable. That's why you can get high speeds in cities (and new 'burbs), but the rural towns just 100 to 200 miles out are still on dialup. The more they try and consolidate on pop centers, the higher the speeds go. Sometimes it's just the threat of competition that ups speeds. Where I am, Comcast doubled everybody's speed when Verizon was considering wiring for FIOS. Then Verizon decided to skip us. Not that it mattered. Comcast had about a 85% uptime on the service I had, and their lowest tier (3.0/768) was four times the price of Verizons basic DSL (768/128). I need always on more than I need expensive, fast-except-during-peak-times internet so I'm still with Verizon.
I presume you're being sarcastic, in which case I agree. A computer is fantastic at solving complex problems to a very high precision - far higher than possible by humans. The problem is that computers - and many who operate them - don't know whether the answer is correct, just that the answer has forty significant figures. You need pencil and paper (and a sliderule or a calculator) to find out of the answer is correct. The more complex a problem you set out to solve, the more important is is to know approximately what the answer _should_ be before you get the computer's solution.
Good engineers can perform detailed calculations to within 5%, with computers to within 0.1% or better. The best engineers can tell you the answer to within 10 or 15% with nothing more than a pencil and a 3x3 post-it. The good thing about engineering is that 10% is accurate enough for most calculations. If your margin of safety is less than 10%, you're just asking for failure.
Getting it hot and covering it with a salty...oh, hell, I'm not even going to finish that one.
I'm a mechanical/structural engineer. Talk about constant current sources or anything involving the letter j makes my eyes glaze over. :-)
Throttled? No, I'm pretty sure my wife would shoot me if I started eating the wrong fish.
You should, instead, lament the fact that The Reagan administration got rid of practically all of the corporate knowledge base as NASA in hopes of reducing the number of civil servants in favor of contractors they felt they could simply scale up and down as needed. The actual effect was to push out anyone capable of holding their own in the private marketplace. Some stayed at contractors for a while, while others simply left for other lines of work. Those at contractors stayed until the work dried up, and were then laid off by said contractors. At that point, they went to find jobs elsewhere.
When NASA needed to staff up for anything, the contractors were paid to go hire people. The problem is that they went and hired younger, cheaper engineers with no experience in spaceflight. The kind of work NASA does is, for the most part, pretty specialized. Many NASA engineers can find work in other industries and be productive fairly quickly because they (a) have core competency in very custom work and (b) industry has an old guard to give them the specific training in the new specialty. Conversely, bringing in an average engineer with "pick it out of a book" mentality is going to take forever to relearn the advanced basics (I call them that - it's the 4000/5000/6000 level stuff you learn in college; not hard, per say, but complex and _not_ part of a typical engineer's day to day life). Couple that with practically _no_ old guard to teach them the intricacies and anomalies of spaceflight work and you've destined to have a slow, painful, and failure-rich engineering process.
While the "how" is written down many places, the "why" isn't as apparent from a stack of prints. And though there are huge books of "lessons learned" on many projects, it's not easy to capture decades of experience and apply them real time given the capacity of individual human brains. What they need is continuity, not librarians.
I think you have a very poor box of CFLs. I have a room I light - somewhat reluctantly - with CFLs. You see, I'm not a big fan of them becuase of warmup time, color temperature and RF interference during their warmup period (I use IR distribution in my house for audio/video control, and turning on a CFL close to a non-shielded IR sensor floods the line with noise). Still, in this room I want lots of light - 12 recessed cans to be exact - as it is a play room for my daughter, but is in the basement. I far prefer to destroy the world with a dozen 100W lamps, but being an older house, there is only one, small AC duct which runs to the room so I have very little capacity to cool the room. A dozen 23 watt CFLs produce as much - or more - subjective light than when I had 1.2kW of incandescent burning brightly. They really are that efficient...they just produce generally sucky light and you can't dim them.
Your bag point is reasonably taken, and the ones I own haven't paid back in the year I've owned them quite yet. I use five to take the place of about 12-13 disposable bags every week at the market. Still, they are in good shape and I expect to get at least two more years out of them at the least. Iirc, the "cost" of a disposable bag is about a penny, wheres the bags I got were about $1.50. If you equate cost with energy consumption (a reasonable measure btw), I would have to save 150 disposable bags to cover a reusable one. 52 weeks x 2.5 disp bags/non-disp bag = 130bags saved to date. I'll break even sometime in November. Some people aren't as careful, though, so ymmv.
Carbon trading is, I'll agree, a scam. It may be well intentioned, but it's really just a group hug with a big loophole to exploit.
And what voltage do you recommend for your single power socket? 12V? 6V? 5V? 3.3V? maybe 1.5 or 0.8V? Perhaps just a simple 24 and let everybody downconvert?
Most mfrs want to minimize the need for conversion in their devices. This would get you from AC to DC, but would not quite buy you a universal solution.
Yeah I saw it, too, but it wouldn't let me post.
I was thinking very much the same. As much as having another "wife" around would be useful, having another "husband" would likely be even more useful. It seems that there are no end to the tasks which I don't seem to have time for. With only one child, though, the traditional female activities are relatively light (well, within the capability of one woman, especially if she could get a fractional helper at times).
The overall problem with this scenario is that, unlike many (it seems), my wife and I are an exclusively bonded pair, sexually speaking - we don't want anyone else in the mix. Two couples would seem a nearly ideal mix, but to find two more life partners who wouldn't share intimacy to "fill in the gaps" (sorry, no pun intended) would be exceedingly difficult to make work, imho.
And they did so without any performance enhancement, other than just being younger than they wee supposed to.
The rule is in place partly because youth, in this particular instance, is a performance enhancement. Imagine if this were a competition to traverse an 30" diameter pipe as quickly as possible, but the contestants had to be at least 8 years old. A small 5 year old might be able to stand up and run nearly full speed, but all the other competitors would have to be hunched over or crawl. That would be an obvious advantage, and against the rules.
The girls, who presumably have been asked their age and - if they are under 16 - lied about it, should have their medal stripped just as quickly as those who use performance enhancing drugs and steroids. Those are really just minor changes as well, but we've deemed them to be counter to our rules.
It sounds like they shouldn't have chosen former Thiokol executives to design the new booster system.
Because Apple gets a premium for its product based on the style and the "just works" philosophy. Nearly everyone will agree that apple products do not have the breadth of features or the extent of customization of many other products in their respective niche. Their market success has been based on the basic feature set being nearly bulletproof - a claim that many others cannot make. This is exactly the thing Apple users have come to forget happens with mediocre CE.
It also means that someone wasn't minding the store when it went out, and it can mean a serious problem with their growth process. Steve can't be around to hold their hand forever.