"For example, what if each node ran a HTTP cache, and when a client requests a page, each node in the chain from client to server buffered the data so that any drop-outs and/or turnaround delays would have a minimal effect on the transfer?"
I wrote a white paper on a system very similar to this. The difference that I had was that I was calling for a system with a blend of thin and fat APs.
Thin APs would be deployed as the transit system - overthe long expanses where there was no uplink to the internet.
Fat APs would be deployed in a perimiter around an uplink (a hot spot)
The thin APs were just mesh relays. The Fat APs would use NBAR (Network based application recognition) on steroids to examine traffic and requests.
As traffic came through it would be looked at to determine if it was accessing a service that was locally available, and redirected to the appropriate location. Basically a modified DNS. Also a local cache would be near each uplink which would provide clients access to cached pages to minimize the traffic that required being backhauled to the internet.
The DNS-like system would allow for hotspots to present network services to the clients in their proximity. For example, you could redirect DNS quesries to a local DNS server - rather than backhauling it accross your uplink. Most would say "why would you redirect DNS?" well the reason is that the requests could be coming from a client that was far out on the mesh who wouldnt have to have a dhcp dns server address given to him.
the other interesting aspect of this is that a browser advert system could be developed such that banner ads on a browser could be proximity based. So that businesses within a certain radius of the user would be presented through a common banner - and the advertised businesses would change based on where the user was.
Other services could be presented in the modified DNS where a hotspot could advertise to clients whether it had printing kiosks or other services available.
I talked to airspace about this - at the time I was looking for someone that could do the NBAR in asics - but there was discussion on how deep into the packet you needed to go. Force10 had the most compelling hardware for this...
maybe you should familiarize yourself with the bands I mentioned - some of the best song writing ever. Even if they completely made new sounds with different types of samples....
what about Skinny Puppy and Front 242 or Front Line Assembly...
All three of these have contributed orders of magnitude more than this guy.
Remix record using beats from the Beatles. How quaint.
Skinny Puppy is the most sampling band ever (actually I believe they were surpassed by the other two I mentioned), front line assembly being extremely deft at it.
and this was in the late 80's and early 90's.
I love how all these genre's and youngins attempt to take credit now for doing things that Industrial pioneered 15+ years ago....
Yes he is funny, however when he does his show and then interviews farking *actors* about the movies they are coming out with, falling into the same old routine garbage that other "talk shows" or even variety talk shows have - makes me see that he is still a media tool.
now, that said, last nights episode with christina ricci was fantastic. he called her "retarded" to her face and she didnt even notice.
anyway - you can still seet that he isnt lifting the veil, only peeking under one corner.
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Better yet, why dont Tivo and NetFlix partner/merge. They could provide a complete conenction to millions of titles. All you do is set your queue and it will DL directly to the tivo device.
Also, what could be done is each device that gets a title registers with the seeder, and it will DL/UL titles via swarming (Bittorrent) from the other devices that have/want the same titles.
Securing the network can be tricky, sure - but that part ill leave to tivo/netflix/hackers.
Driver: Hey, can you tell me how to get to 101 from here.
Nerd: Ya, its about 2 blocks from here. Just go straight till you hit the stop sign, turn left then head down 4 lights - make a right continue till you see the big apartment building on the left.
Then you need to drive through that lot, exit the back way and turn on Baxter. from Baxter you make a U turn at the next light and there is the freeway entrance.
Driver: WTF kind of directions are those??
Nerd: Thats the War-Skyping way - this way you wont lose WiFi signal.
and my point on this has always been that these features increase the TCO of the network in that one must keep all their service subscriptions up to date in order to ensure that all is clean on the network.
While companies should keep their support contracts current, the fact is that this is not being acknowledged by cisco in any of the discussions I have had with them.
So, if you are thinking about this as an option - remmeber that service is typically in the range of ~20% of the equipemtn cost anually - and depending on the company - service on software licenses can be rather significant.
finally, you need to ensure that you are cisco across the board or else you wont be able to take advantage of all of these new features.
This is a problem - it was the same problem with their wifi solution - but now that they purchased Airespace, they will have a wider offering.
the thing with cisco is that they purchase standards rather than create them. This is due to them throwing a ton of funds at a technology or company as to ensure that it will become standard through adoption. This happens a lot in the industry though, so its not too surprising....
I think that cisco making things more inherently secure through the equipment used in packet transit is a smart idea, however I dont like Cisco's top-down apprach as opposed to something like a packet delivery consortium wherby networking vendors agree on a packet delivery audit trail standard.
You know, this may sound like a funny statement, but it brings up a really good question about existing hardware.
For example - how many people here have old hardware that would still work fine, but they personally dont have any use for it.
I worked for intel, I have had systems of every single processor model since the inception of the pentium.
All of my models were engineering samples, but in many cases I have had up to 20 machines of a particular model.
How many of you have a P3 800? or a p2 450?
I have had tons, built and sold and built and donated plenty of machines...
Why not try to build a "100 Dollar Box" *not* on NEW hardware, (which will cause even more lead and mercury pollution in areas where they may be deployed) - but to establish a standard build, a set of known components that are beyond commodity now, and then build and ship these boxes to the areas where you are looking to add value.
If they sought to get all processors/motherboards/video cards within a particular spec from everyone that has purchased them in the past, and establish a donation tracking process for future hardware - I think it would do more good - for the people receiving and the environment as well.
I would be happy to purchase something and then check a "Donors" box at time of receipt which will allow me to easily agree to donate that particular peice of equipment when I am done using it personally...
Are you serious? I have been reading slashdot since 1997 or some time around there, and I can tell you that any good suggestions ever made, such as the one in your post, will *never* get implemented.
Slashdot started with a very very good seed of an idea about a quasi-community news amalgamation site - but since its inception has has proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt how lazy the founders actually are.
They have had opportunity upon opportunity to build upon this site but have taken every opportunity not to. Remember when they were purchased by va, which at the time was worth ungodly amounts of fake money? did we see any improvement in/.? nope.
so, while your idea is fantastic, it would have a better chance if a bunch of people here on/. were actually fed up enough with the broken system to go develop their own new and improved version.
well, maybe not more efficient for you - but could be a HELL of a lot more efficient for visual AI.
The human mind is already exactly this - a visual google. We have a DB of contextual knowledge that is accessed and triggered through a few sensory inputs - smell, touch, sight etc...
here we could have a robot that could 'see' be able to get contextual information based on what it is seeing.
Say you have it walk into a room - and the room is filled with a bunch of objects, the AI could scan the room, then determine approproate courses of action/manipulation for each object. It would see a chair, and could then receive instructions on how to sit in it. How to use the sink in the corner etc.
As long as these AI share a backend DB, when one robot learns to use a thing - that knowledge could be shared and associated with all like-things. So even though the chair looks different than the original seed chair, the useage is always the same - such that all contextual information would be attached to all images that match the criterion.
The next step - is modifying the "definition" of an object, based on the need or situational dynamics.
A chair in one dynamic is used for sitting - in another its used for climbing up higher - in another a even a weapon.
The real value here is to be able to pull contextual information from Object based reality, as this is a leap for machine AI to do what the human mind has mastered.
When I was in taiwan airport, I found one called default - so I went to the GW ip and found out what router it was, used it to go online and DL the usermanual to find the default password. As I was attempting to log into the device, I was cut off...
They found me and promptly locked it down. I jsut happened to see the thing as they were setting up. Too bad I hadnt been a little faster - I would have been able to change it PW and lock them out:)
We have 90% of our users on laptops. while they are at their desk, they are wired... but if they go to a meeting or anothers cube to work - they unplug and walk over to where they need to be and take their machine with them.
I dont even lose my putty sessions when I drop the wire.
however - that is now changing because we are locking down all wifi in the building and require wifi users to launch their VPN client in order to get wireless connections.
Most manufacturing arms ar stationary devices that move product from an inventory state to a place in a production state. (from a pile of parts onto the object being assembled)
If these "two armed robots" are also able to do more than transition product from point a to point b - but say can pickup and maipulate the assembled object, retreive additional parts from shelving, or reposition themselves so they have access to the assembled object so that they can put on a different part than just one - it will allow them to be "more efficient".
This is due to the fact that they can accomplish the same task in a smaller space with less robots. One armed stationary devices only have a limited window to the line, and can only place (typically) one part - meaning that the line be long and have lots of robots.
Before you think that I made that comment - do a little research!
The OWNER (Larry Silverstein) of the world trade center stated (which is why I used " " that because the jury found that each plane hitting the world trade center was seen as a sepearte instance, he could claim two times the insurance claims on the building. He was then quoted as saying that the decision was a "Win win situation for all new yorkers"
I was using disgusted sarcasm in my remark.
I am very sorry for your loss. I had a good friend in the building as well, but he managed to get out - barely.
here is the link to that statement:
"I am thrilled with today's victory. But this is a win for all New Yorkers. Today's decision means an additional billion dollars of insurance proceeds will be available," Silverstein said in a written statement.
I watch about 2 hours of TV per week... I have TIVO and still rarely find the will power to sit in front of the TV when I could be doing so many other things.
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"For example, what if each node ran a HTTP cache, and when a client requests a page, each node in the chain from client to server buffered the data so that any drop-outs and/or turnaround delays would have a minimal effect on the transfer?"
I wrote a white paper on a system very similar to this. The difference that I had was that I was calling for a system with a blend of thin and fat APs.
Thin APs would be deployed as the transit system - overthe long expanses where there was no uplink to the internet.
Fat APs would be deployed in a perimiter around an uplink (a hot spot)
The thin APs were just mesh relays. The Fat APs would use NBAR (Network based application recognition) on steroids to examine traffic and requests.
As traffic came through it would be looked at to determine if it was accessing a service that was locally available, and redirected to the appropriate location. Basically a modified DNS. Also a local cache would be near each uplink which would provide clients access to cached pages to minimize the traffic that required being backhauled to the internet.
The DNS-like system would allow for hotspots to present network services to the clients in their proximity. For example, you could redirect DNS quesries to a local DNS server - rather than backhauling it accross your uplink. Most would say "why would you redirect DNS?" well the reason is that the requests could be coming from a client that was far out on the mesh who wouldnt have to have a dhcp dns server address given to him.
the other interesting aspect of this is that a browser advert system could be developed such that banner ads on a browser could be proximity based. So that businesses within a certain radius of the user would be presented through a common banner - and the advertised businesses would change based on where the user was.
Other services could be presented in the modified DNS where a hotspot could advertise to clients whether it had printing kiosks or other services available.
I talked to airspace about this - at the time I was looking for someone that could do the NBAR in asics - but there was discussion on how deep into the packet you needed to go. Force10 had the most compelling hardware for this...
maybe you should familiarize yourself with the bands I mentioned - some of the best song writing ever. Even if they completely made new sounds with different types of samples....
Smoothbrain.
That guy from the trawler was so farking funny I nearly pissed my pants.
what about Skinny Puppy and Front 242 or Front Line Assembly...
All three of these have contributed orders of magnitude more than this guy.
Remix record using beats from the Beatles. How quaint.
Skinny Puppy is the most sampling band ever (actually I believe they were surpassed by the other two I mentioned), front line assembly being extremely deft at it.
and this was in the late 80's and early 90's.
I love how all these genre's and youngins attempt to take credit now for doing things that Industrial pioneered 15+ years ago....
Yes he is funny, however when he does his show and then interviews farking *actors* about the movies they are coming out with, falling into the same old routine garbage that other "talk shows" or even variety talk shows have - makes me see that he is still a media tool.
now, that said, last nights episode with christina ricci was fantastic. he called her "retarded" to her face and she didnt even notice.
anyway - you can still seet that he isnt lifting the veil, only peeking under one corner.
Better yet, why dont Tivo and NetFlix partner/merge. They could provide a complete conenction to millions of titles. All you do is set your queue and it will DL directly to the tivo device.
Also, what could be done is each device that gets a title registers with the seeder, and it will DL/UL titles via swarming (Bittorrent) from the other devices that have/want the same titles.
Securing the network can be tricky, sure - but that part ill leave to tivo/netflix/hackers.
You know what else is interesting that you should point out if you are writing to the original authors:
© Copyright 2005 Roland Piquepaille.
Last update: 20/02/2005; 19:13:58.
He is claiming that his stories are copyright even though the majority of the article is not his own.
Driver: Hey, can you tell me how to get to 101 from here.
Nerd: Ya, its about 2 blocks from here. Just go straight till you hit the stop sign, turn left then head down 4 lights - make a right continue till you see the big apartment building on the left.
Then you need to drive through that lot, exit the back way and turn on Baxter. from Baxter you make a U turn at the next light and there is the freeway entrance.
Driver: WTF kind of directions are those??
Nerd: Thats the War-Skyping way - this way you wont lose WiFi signal.
and my point on this has always been that these features increase the TCO of the network in that one must keep all their service subscriptions up to date in order to ensure that all is clean on the network.
While companies should keep their support contracts current, the fact is that this is not being acknowledged by cisco in any of the discussions I have had with them.
So, if you are thinking about this as an option - remmeber that service is typically in the range of ~20% of the equipemtn cost anually - and depending on the company - service on software licenses can be rather significant.
finally, you need to ensure that you are cisco across the board or else you wont be able to take advantage of all of these new features.
This is a problem - it was the same problem with their wifi solution - but now that they purchased Airespace, they will have a wider offering.
the thing with cisco is that they purchase standards rather than create them. This is due to them throwing a ton of funds at a technology or company as to ensure that it will become standard through adoption. This happens a lot in the industry though, so its not too surprising....
I think that cisco making things more inherently secure through the equipment used in packet transit is a smart idea, however I dont like Cisco's top-down apprach as opposed to something like a packet delivery consortium wherby networking vendors agree on a packet delivery audit trail standard.
Thats exactly what I was coming here to post.
And they wouldnt even need to be a registrar:
[mysite].google.com
and they just need to manage the [mysite]
Maybe even come up with something like:
[mysite].[region].google.com
You know, this may sound like a funny statement, but it brings up a really good question about existing hardware.
For example - how many people here have old hardware that would still work fine, but they personally dont have any use for it.
I worked for intel, I have had systems of every single processor model since the inception of the pentium.
All of my models were engineering samples, but in many cases I have had up to 20 machines of a particular model.
How many of you have a P3 800? or a p2 450?
I have had tons, built and sold and built and donated plenty of machines...
Why not try to build a "100 Dollar Box" *not* on NEW hardware, (which will cause even more lead and mercury pollution in areas where they may be deployed) - but to establish a standard build, a set of known components that are beyond commodity now, and then build and ship these boxes to the areas where you are looking to add value.
If they sought to get all processors/motherboards/video cards within a particular spec from everyone that has purchased them in the past, and establish a donation tracking process for future hardware - I think it would do more good - for the people receiving and the environment as well.
I would be happy to purchase something and then check a "Donors" box at time of receipt which will allow me to easily agree to donate that particular peice of equipment when I am done using it personally...
You have got to be on freaking crack.
/.? nope.
/. were actually fed up enough with the broken system to go develop their own new and improved version.
Are you serious? I have been reading slashdot since 1997 or some time around there, and I can tell you that any good suggestions ever made, such as the one in your post, will *never* get implemented.
Slashdot started with a very very good seed of an idea about a quasi-community news amalgamation site - but since its inception has has proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt how lazy the founders actually are.
They have had opportunity upon opportunity to build upon this site but have taken every opportunity not to. Remember when they were purchased by va, which at the time was worth ungodly amounts of fake money? did we see any improvement in
so, while your idea is fantastic, it would have a better chance if a bunch of people here on
There probably have been attempts....
Another word:
Forgetable
well, maybe not more efficient for you - but could be a HELL of a lot more efficient for visual AI.
The human mind is already exactly this - a visual google. We have a DB of contextual knowledge that is accessed and triggered through a few sensory inputs - smell, touch, sight etc...
here we could have a robot that could 'see' be able to get contextual information based on what it is seeing.
Say you have it walk into a room - and the room is filled with a bunch of objects, the AI could scan the room, then determine approproate courses of action/manipulation for each object. It would see a chair, and could then receive instructions on how to sit in it. How to use the sink in the corner etc.
As long as these AI share a backend DB, when one robot learns to use a thing - that knowledge could be shared and associated with all like-things. So even though the chair looks different than the original seed chair, the useage is always the same - such that all contextual information would be attached to all images that match the criterion.
The next step - is modifying the "definition" of an object, based on the need or situational dynamics.
A chair in one dynamic is used for sitting - in another its used for climbing up higher - in another a even a weapon.
The real value here is to be able to pull contextual information from Object based reality, as this is a leap for machine AI to do what the human mind has mastered.
We ARE ALL DoooooooMED!!!
When I was in taiwan airport, I found one called default - so I went to the GW ip and found out what router it was, used it to go online and DL the usermanual to find the default password. As I was attempting to log into the device, I was cut off...
:)
They found me and promptly locked it down. I jsut happened to see the thing as they were setting up. Too bad I hadnt been a little faster - I would have been able to change it PW and lock them out
Driving down 101 the other day, near the san jose airport. I pulled out my machine to scan, and found one called "grandma"
I thought that was realyl funny.
I think I have some loose change in my pocket....
no not really.
We have 90% of our users on laptops. while they are at their desk, they are wired... but if they go to a meeting or anothers cube to work - they unplug and walk over to where they need to be and take their machine with them.
I dont even lose my putty sessions when I drop the wire.
however - that is now changing because we are locking down all wifi in the building and require wifi users to launch their VPN client in order to get wireless connections.
Not if it has ambulatory degrees of freedom.
Most manufacturing arms ar stationary devices that move product from an inventory state to a place in a production state. (from a pile of parts onto the object being assembled)
If these "two armed robots" are also able to do more than transition product from point a to point b - but say can pickup and maipulate the assembled object, retreive additional parts from shelving, or reposition themselves so they have access to the assembled object so that they can put on a different part than just one - it will allow them to be "more efficient".
This is due to the fact that they can accomplish the same task in a smaller space with less robots. One armed stationary devices only have a limited window to the line, and can only place (typically) one part - meaning that the line be long and have lots of robots.
Thats pretty amazing, actually I have been thinking of something for a time wondering if it could ever happen;
A true virtual machine whereby all content data and processing is done "packetized" and never sits in one location.
You "store" a file on the system and it keeps it moving around in a swarm, and is accessed by streaming the information - but its never downloaded.
Additionally all the processing would by done on shared CPU time slicing..
It was not a joke.
Before you think that I made that comment - do a little research!
The OWNER (Larry Silverstein) of the world trade center stated (which is why I used " " that because the jury found that each plane hitting the world trade center was seen as a sepearte instance, he could claim two times the insurance claims on the building. He was then quoted as saying that the decision was a "Win win situation for all new yorkers"
I was using disgusted sarcasm in my remark.
I am very sorry for your loss. I had a good friend in the building as well, but he managed to get out - barely.
here is the link to that statement:
"I am thrilled with today's victory. But this is a win for all New Yorkers. Today's decision means an additional billion dollars of insurance proceeds will be available," Silverstein said in a written statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/06/wtc.trial/
or fly airplanes into them to collect insurance money in a "win-win situation for all new yorkers"
What is this - some sort of Offensive against prevailing wisdom?
the same amount I recorded on my VCR.
ZERO.
Just because I could - doesnt mean I did...
I watch about 2 hours of TV per week... I have TIVO and still rarely find the will power to sit in front of the TV when I could be doing so many other things.