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The 2005 Wired Rave Awards

smack-pot writes "March 2005 issue of Wired Magazine features The 2005 Wired Rave Awards announcements. The 15 categories include Films, Business, Science, Architecture, Medicine, Games etc. Some of the winners are Brad Bird for The Incredibles, Danger Mouse for The Grey Album, Burt Rutan for SpaceShipOne, and Pete Parsons for Halo 2."

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  1. Rave Awards? by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This years "Best use of glow sticks" award goes too . . .

    Oh, not that sort of rave?

  2. Jon Stewart by fraudrogic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know. iFilms is great and all, but I think Jon Stewart should have won for Television. He did something (and continues to) that no one else on major television stations would dare do, and that is be brutally honest and be intelligent about it. When it comes to those qualities, he's my hero. Oh and the humor aspect is pretty good too.

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    1. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      on behalf of the other 94% of the globes population
      who is Jon Stewart ?

    2. Re:Jon Stewart by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Jon Stewart is brutally honest about the media.

      Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics. He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.

      The show is still hilarious, but only people that are biased towards the left think that Jon Stewart is brutally honest, politically...

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    3. Re:Jon Stewart by PopeAlien · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh yeah.. especially since it was Jon Stewart that helped boost iFilms page views. Jon Stewart creates tv content, iFilms simply distributes clips of it.. It seems a strange choice for winner of the 'television' category.

    4. Re:Jon Stewart by Otter · · Score: 1
      I understand why a lot of people like him, but -- cynicism is so cheap and we already have plenty. I just can't find it nearly as clever or daring as other people seem to.

      Exhibit 2: Danger Mouse

      WTF? The guy is the DJ equivalent of a Score: 1 Slashdot comment in an RIAA rantfest and he's the future of music? Jimmy Buffett's 82nd album was a bigger step forward for music in 2004.

    5. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    6. Re:Jon Stewart by PopeAlien · · Score: 2, Informative

      for them that know not:

      Jon Stewart is the host of a satyrical news show called 'the Daily Show' that plays on comedy central. some clips can be viewed on thier greatest moments webpage

      he also gained some fame as a guest on 'Crossfire' were he tore the pants off of and humiliated co-host Tucker Carlson

    7. Re:Jon Stewart by Illserve · · Score: 0

      He is biased towards the left because the right is in power, therefore they give him more material. There's precious little to ridicule the democrats about at the moment. We all know they're hopelessly bad at politics, but there aren't any specific foibles to poke fun.

      But if Kerry had won, you can be sure Stewart would be tearing him apart as well.

      He's even said as much if you've ever seen the amazing appearance of Stewart on that political talk show with the bowtie guy(CNN I think?)

    8. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks

    9. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the.daily.show.02.24.05.dsr-loki.[BT].avi

      Sponsored by: Nobody

    10. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you ever even watched the Daily Show? Virtually every episode since the elections has slipped in at least one joke about democrats sucking it up in the election, including making fun of Kerry directly and the party in general. Beyond that, what can he make fun of them for? They don't control enough to actually do anything stupid..

    11. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tore the pants off" being a figure of speech, of course. I think the other co-host was also somewhat embarrassed, though not nearly as much as Carlson.

    12. Re:Jon Stewart by TheWickedKingJeremy · · Score: 1

      * Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics"
      * He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much


      Do these two statements necessarily contradict each other?

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    13. Re:Jon Stewart by Illserve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, the sad part is, I don't think he was embarassed.

      I think he thought he tore Jon a new one.

      I think he thought that this "comedian" was out of his league on a real hard-hitting news show.

      At the end Jon just bites his tongue. It's like letting a child think they've beaten you because it would do no good to tell them otherwise.

    14. Re:Jon Stewart by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful
      but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.

      Explain to me how admitting to being biased makes him less honest politically? I'm really trying to make that work but it just doesn't wash. Not being "brutally honest about politics" would be him not admitting his bias. I've watched a lot of his show and he has never hidden his bias nor has he pretended to not be biased, like many cammentators/journalists/pundits who are biased towards the right.

      I don't know what word you want, but I don't think "honest" is it.

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    15. Re:Jon Stewart by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      [Dangermouse] is the DJ equivalent of a Score: 1 Slashdot comment in an RIAA rantfest and he's the future of music?

      I'm guessing you haven't actually heard the Grey Album, or if you have you didn't like it for valid subjective reasons.

      But objectively, the album is a significant accomplishment. Not only is it the latest in a line of legitimate and coherent works of art built entirely on borrowed source materials, but it also brought an entire sub-genre of hip-hop -- eg, mash-up -- into mainstream consciousness.

      It changed the way I think about music, just a little, and I can't be the only listener that it had that effect on.

    16. Re:Jon Stewart by generic-man · · Score: 2, Funny

      As media personalities go, Jon Stewart holds about as much weight as a lifelong Usenet poster. He's self-deprecating, sarcastic, and likes to call people names when they mock him. Yet after all is said and done, people wish they could be like him.

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    17. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is biased towards the left because the right is in power, therefore they give him more material. There's precious little to ridicule the democrats about at the moment.

      Right, that's why nobody ridiculed the Republicans in 1990 and 1991.

      Oh wait.

      Never mind.

    18. Re:Jon Stewart by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Being "brutally honest and intelligent" is (a) highly inappropriate for a satirist and (b) not designed to make you popular with the people who hand out awards!

    19. Re:Jon Stewart by Scrameustache · · Score: 1


      Jon Stewart is NOT brutally honest about politics. He would be funnier if he made fun of all sides equally, but he is definitely biased towards the left and has admitted as much.


      You think he'd be MORE honest if he PRETENDED not to favour the left? If he acted in a way that hid his true feelings?

      He'd be more honest if he'd lie?
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    20. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only is it the latest in a line of legitimate and coherent works of art built entirely on borrowed source materials

      In other words, not only are the source materials nothing new, but the idea of using old source materials is nothing new. ...but it also brought an entire sub-genre of hip-hop -- eg, mash-up -- into mainstream consciousness.

      Then what the fuck did Jam Master J do in the 80s? Oh wait... You are calling it "mash-up" so it sounds like a new thing. Wow, we need to enshrine this bozo right along with Muddy Waters and Louis Armstrong then. Quick, somebody get that man a trophy!

    21. Re:Jon Stewart by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      admitting to being biased makes him less honest politically? I'm really trying to make that work but it just doesn't wash.

      I think he's just following the party line and accusing "liberal media" of being "biased" and "dishonest".

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    22. Re:Jon Stewart by geoffspear · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Being "brutally honest and intelligent" is (a) highly inappropriate for a satirist

      Uhh... yeah.

      It's a good thing Swift and Voltaire were neither honest nor intelligent, then.

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    23. Re:Jon Stewart by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Carlson's confidence may have suffered somewhat when CNN fired him and killed the show...

      rj

    24. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say he brought "mash-up" into mainstream consiousness, but I just walked all over Best Buy and could not find a single album of his.

      Sure, I can get it from the Internet if I look hard enough, but that's also true of "Marshall Got Snookered" by Freelance Hairdresser, which came out first and was far more entertaining. That's hardly what I would call "Mainstream."

      In fact, outside of geeks who read Slashdot, FARK, and/or Wired, few have any clue what mash-ups are, let alone who Dangermouse is.

      Personally, I first think of the old cartoon every time somebody mentions him, only to say, "oh... their talking about that no-talent DJ guy."

    25. Re:Jon Stewart by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I should have said "TV satirist".

    26. Re:Jon Stewart by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 1

      Yes he is funny, however when he does his show and then interviews farking *actors* about the movies they are coming out with, falling into the same old routine garbage that other "talk shows" or even variety talk shows have - makes me see that he is still a media tool.

      now, that said, last nights episode with christina ricci was fantastic. he called her "retarded" to her face and she didnt even notice.

      anyway - you can still seet that he isnt lifting the veil, only peeking under one corner.

    27. Re:Jon Stewart by Belgand · · Score: 1

      I've got to agree and not only because I dislike rap and found the actual music to be relatively poor. Rather than create something actually new and original he merely reused other people's work to create a collage of sorts. At least Beatallica (Beatles songs transposed into Metallica songs) actually writes and performs their work.

      I feel that he instead garnered a great deal of attention for being the underdog in a legal contest about the rights to the music. Regardless of the quality he was going to be glorified for creating a work of art that may have violated copyright and coming under legal pressure for it.

    28. Re:Jon Stewart by bitrott · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not even. The only legitimate question he asked was "Why the softball questions?". Anyone who watches the show KNOWS that NO guest, no matter their orientation, is going to get mostly softball questions.

      Jon was dead-on-right questioning WHY that dork was trying to compare Daily Show to a legitimate news channel's programming.

      Jon's attitude at the end of the interview was really just shock. He, like many people, realize that there's NO ARGUING with pedantic rhetoric dicks in bowties. It's like trying to argue there is no God with a person of faith. In fact, it's just like that. What can you do when the host won't even respond to simple, irrefutable logic, like "explain how BS talk shows like this HELP public discourse in America"?

    29. Re:Jon Stewart by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      Explain to me how admitting to being biased makes him less honest politically? I'm really trying to make that work but it just doesn't wash.

      Because his show routinely presents the right-wing in a bad light, and does not do as much on the crap from the left-wing. When he has left/right guests on, he routinely softballs the lefties, and asks pointed questions (well, for a daily show interview) of the right wingers.

      Yes, he presents the "fake news," but it would be funnier if it wasn't tainted with bias. The show could be twice as funny if it would open itself up to cricitizing the left as well, but it generally doesn't.

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    30. Re:Jon Stewart by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      There's precious little to ridicule the democrats about at the moment.

      Hahaha... good one. Gee, might you be biased also?

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    31. Re:Jon Stewart by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      You think he'd be MORE honest if he PRETENDED not to favour the left? If he acted in a way that hid his true feelings?

      When I said honest about politics, what I meant was he needs to treat both sides equally.

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    32. Re:Jon Stewart by geoffspear · · Score: 1

      Also for those who don't know, he's doing something "no one else would do" in a very similar fashion to the way Craig Kilborne did it before he moved to a much crappier show on CBS.

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    33. Re:Jon Stewart by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      What party line am I following?

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    34. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seem to recall a right-wing novelist coming on the show and being treated pretty fairly. Admittedly, the right-winger had written an anti-Bush book.

      I'd say it's fair to say that Stewart is anti-Bush, personally biased slightly left wing, and honest enough to say so.

      Oh, and if you think he softballs Democrats, recall the skit with the various people brought into the room to discuss the future of the party (I think it was during Primary season)? That was a brilliant bit, and absolutely scathing of Democrats.

    35. Re:Jon Stewart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the novelists he brings on are pretty interesting. The one who lived on the trawler for a voyage...that was extremely interesting. So the guest star spot isn't always boring, and can have some meat to it.

      But yeah, generally when I see a movie or television star asa the guest, I switch channels before that segment.

    36. Re:Jon Stewart by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 1

      That guy from the trawler was so farking funny I nearly pissed my pants.

    37. Re:Jon Stewart by drig · · Score: 1

      He doesn't always get the top guests, but he's had some pretty serious people. John Kerry, John McCain, Madeline Albright, Bill Clinton, Thomas Freidman, just to name a few. Granted, since the election, the number of high power politicos has dropped, but he still has a pretty high signal-to-noise ratio.

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    38. Re:Jon Stewart by zonker · · Score: 0

      what do you think talk shows are for? even fake-news talk shows stay on air by the guests selling something, either a book, movie, music or ideology. thing is most people don't have a problem with it and some enjoy knowing what's happening in pop culture.

      it doesn't nesessarily make you a media tool if you don't play the game (by fawning over the guest or what they are selling). it does however get viewers and results in them being able to pay the bills...

    39. Re:Jon Stewart by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 1

      Actually, most of the hip-hop kids at the shows I go to know about the album. May not know about mashups, but they know about the record. Most of the indie rock kids at those shows know too, pretty much because they're indie rockers and knowing about semi-obscure things is what they do. Basically, a pretty good portion of dedicated music fans are aware of the record, and a decent portion of those like it.

      I'd say it succeeded quite well based on that. That, and the fact that its about ten times as good as the Jay-Z record he took the vocals from.

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    40. Re:Jon Stewart by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      he needs to treat both sides equally.

      Crybaby.

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    41. Re:Jon Stewart by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 1

      Except for the fact that Tucker left the show to work for MSNBC for more cash you're absolutely right.

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    42. Re:Jon Stewart by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I think that when he asks the hard questions of the right it is because they wanted to get out in front a liberal audiance and explain their views.

      It is an adversarial stance, but they are still having fun, ad since people won't take it seriously they can have more freedom. I have never seen him cause anybody to lose their compasure, and he always has fun with them.

      The reason I say this seams planned is that the guests always seem happy to answer and even happy the question was asked. Also there are plenty of gravy interviews on the right also, they are just stupid and unmemmorable (Bob Dole).

      His best political interview was probably Peggy Noonin.

      As for the news stories, there is a large conservative biased in non-mainstream (raidio/cable) news outlets and most democratic faux pas are beaten to death, the republican ones are not, so it is fresher matierial.

      Clips such as Dick Cheney calling press members assholes are not going to make it into mainstream media, and they are not going to make it into conservative media, it is a very good niche for him.

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    43. Re:Jon Stewart by rkaa · · Score: 1

      "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: Global Edition" can be seen every saturday night on CNN's european edition, transmitted via cable and satellite througout Europe. They transmit Business Asia here as well, so they probably broadcast Stewart in Asia too.

  3. Action Animation Movies? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative
    Inability to put characters in jeopardy?

    (resisting the joke about rendering Alex Trebek) I think anyone who says that is nuts, as nuts as the producers who need star-power to keep them warm at night. Bird just did the job right. There were some pretty insightful comments back in the Discworld movie topic, regarding writing a movie you can make. I become more a cynic when I read people's opinions that such and such can't be done. It's an illusion, dumbasses. Bird's gifted enough to take the intelligent approach. To see the wrong approach taken again, watch Tom Cruise in Spielberg's WoW. Or see a class act, the Pendragon version late March. Bug your theater to carry it! Hopefully it'll live up to expectations and make Wired's list next year.

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    1. Re:Action Animation Movies? by astrokid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with most of your points, however, I wouldn't bash Spielberg's adaptation of War of the Worlds just yet.

      Atleast wait to see it before you do.

      I'm very happy for Brad Bird, I really don't think The Iron Giant got as much recognition as it should have. It's definately one of the better efforts put forth from an American Animation studio in a very long time.

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  4. wow by rd4tech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Burt Rutan for launching the private space age"
    I for one, welcome...

    "Mark Fletcher for making bloglines the Internet's news network (RSS Reader)"
    Neat, now more people can autocreate blogs targeted for adsense...

    "Robert Lanza -for eye-opening work on embryonic stem cells"
    See your future, it's right here ...

    "Steven Squyres for keeping Spirit and Opportunity roving"
    Where is the rest of Nasa on this one??? But that's humanity, always picking up one who holds the stick

    The rest... boring, BTW there are also bunch of research in DNA, materials, and compsci which are changing the world arroung us constantly, why not mentioning anything of those fields?

    1. Re:wow by matt-fu · · Score: 1

      Because Wired is a pop culture magazine with nerd flavor. It's not a nerd magazine.

  5. Pete Parsons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who is this Pete Parsons fellow, and why are they giving him all the credit for Halo 2?

    As a longtime Bungie fan, my understanding is that Jason Jones is the man behind the curtain.

    1. Re:Pete Parsons? by zonker · · Score: 0

      parsons is the bungie studio manager, the guy who makes sure the dev's dont have problems so the games get shipped.

      in his own words:

      EGM: "Studio Manager" is such a vague title -- can you describe your role at Bungie?

      Pete Parsons: I think the main thing is, I am the non-talented person supporting an amazing team of talent, making sure that nothing stands in the way of the team making a great game, and doing good things for Bungie in general. That in itself is made up of a whole bunch of very focused duties helping to make the games we make, and a vast range of unpleasant duties that I'd prefer not to go into. [smiles]

  6. grey album by tsunamifirestorm · · Score: 5, Informative

    for those who don't know, the grey album is a remix record using beats from the beatle's white album with vocals from jay-z's black album it's available at http://www.bannedmusic.org/ and is hosted by http://www.downhillbattle.org/. DJ Dangermouse was the DJ who made this mix.

    1. Re:grey album by Jakhel · · Score: 1

      There are literally hundreds of remixes to jay-z's black album, including (and I couldn't make this up if I tried, they are all real) the pink album, the blue album, the purple album, the blacker album, the yellow album, the red album, etc. Imagine hundreds of dj's across the globe, taking the vocals to 1 album, then putting their own beats over them and naming the album the (insert color here) album and there you go. Alot of them suck, but some of them are pretty good, especially the grey album.

    2. Re:grey album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It also sucks.

    3. Re:grey album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truer words have never been said!

    4. Re:grey album by theblueprint · · Score: 1

      I realize that a lot of /.ers are not big fans of hip-hop. Still, JayZ/Rocafella never tried to stop DM from distributing the album (to my knowlege). It's a common practice for major-label hip-hop artists to release mixtapes and other free content to their fans. 50Cent made his name from mixtapes, and many others have realized that these free albums are great marketing tools. Yes, a lot of people here hate hip-hop, but they've got to respect the copyright holder's generosity...and the fact that they encourage some of their works to be freely distributed.

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    5. Re:grey album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the guy didn't make the vocals or the music? He just mixed some already-famous stuff together? That's like giving the Best Artist (in general, not just best Hip-Hop artist) award to The X-Ecutioners.

      It's not like Beatles mash-ups haven't been done before, anyway. Did I also mention that mash-ups suck?

    6. Re:grey album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Thank you, hip-hop artists, for freely sharing your spoken-word poetry so people can play it on top of other, better, recordings. The world is a much more wonderful place to live in because of your contribution.

      Putting Hip-hop lyrics on top of the White Album is like spray-painting over the Last Supper. Yes, you are technically "adding" to it, but only in quantity, not in value.

    7. Re:grey album by Metapsyborg · · Score: 2, Informative
      I realize that a lot of /.ers are not big fans of hip-hop. Still, JayZ/Rocafella never tried to stop DM from distributing the album (to my knowlege). It's a common practice for major-label hip-hop artists to release mixtapes and other free content to their fans. 50Cent made his name from mixtapes, and many others have realized that these free albums are great marketing tools. Yes, a lot of people here hate hip-hop, but they've got to respect the copyright holder's generosity...and the fact that they encourage some of their works to be freely distributed.

      I don't have a problem with a Dj winning an award like this; I do have a problem with a Dj winning an award for mixing together 2 over-hyped albums. Someone else mentioned the X-ecutioners; sure they use samples, but they practically create their own beats out of these samples. Their premise is a "band" where each instrument is a Dj with a turntable. They use the scratches to create beats.

      Dangermouse just rode Jayz's overhyped "hip-hop" to success. An outfit like the x-ecutioners is more deserving of an award than this guy. Heck, I can think of a dozen dj/producers more original, people like blocktop, rjd2, buck 65, Mr. Dibbs, etc. Dangermouse doesn't deserve jack for doin' something that could easily be replicated with a computer and some wavs.

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    8. Re:grey album by theblueprint · · Score: 1

      Actually, DM did take an "X-Ecutioners" style approach to the album. I can't discern which songs from the White Album comprised the beats, aside from the mash-up of "What More Can I Say?". Admittedly, I'm not much of a Beatles/Rock fan, but I did buy the White Album to compare to DM's creation. Perhaps a hard-core Beatles fan would recognize the samples? Besides, this is a Wired award, not a Grammy. I think that the distribution method had more to do with the award than the album's artistic merit.

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    9. Re:grey album by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      what about Skinny Puppy and Front 242 or Front Line Assembly...

      All three of these have contributed orders of magnitude more than this guy.

      Remix record using beats from the Beatles. How quaint.

      Skinny Puppy is the most sampling band ever (actually I believe they were surpassed by the other two I mentioned), front line assembly being extremely deft at it.

      and this was in the late 80's and early 90's.

      I love how all these genre's and youngins attempt to take credit now for doing things that Industrial pioneered 15+ years ago....

    10. Re:grey album by pointguy · · Score: 1

      I do have a problem with a Dj winning an award for mixing together 2 over-hyped albums.

      Yeah, but "The Black Album" sucks and I hate the Beatles, yet "The Grey Album" is at the top of my most-played list. In other words, it is greater to (or at least different from) the sum of its parts.

      Dangermouse doesn't deserve jack for doin' something that could easily be replicated with a computer and some wavs.

      Okey dokey, you're obviously one of those people who goes to the museum and says, "I could have done that." Care to link to your musical efforts, Mixmaster Meta?

    11. Re:grey album by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not being able to write and perform your own music. how quaint!

      i love how all these youngin' attempt to take credit now for things folks in the stone age were doing...

    12. Re:grey album by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 1

      maybe you should familiarize yourself with the bands I mentioned - some of the best song writing ever. Even if they completely made new sounds with different types of samples....

      Smoothbrain.

  7. suspect statement by Savatte · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Until The Incredibles, the conventional wisdom was that animators can't do action," Bird says.

    umm..anime?

    1. Re:suspect statement by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I swear Animes are not suitable for most audiences. The last GREAT Anime I watched, that makes sense for Americans, was BattleAngel and Ninja Scroll. Everything else since has been dragged out episodes.

    2. Re:suspect statement by Threni · · Score: 1

      Sure, but that says nothing about whether or not animators can do action.

      While I'm posting, is it me or is The Incredibles incredibly overrated, compared to Shrek 1/2 and Toy Story 1/2?

    3. Re:suspect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > While I'm posting, is it me or is The Incredibles incredibly overrated, compared to Shrek 1/2 and Toy Story 1/2?

      It's you.

    4. Re:suspect statement by Phoex · · Score: 1

      Anime is considered by most of the world, and Hollywood in particular as nonconventional, and thus not to be taken into consideration.
      That reputation is changing of course, but it's still seen as fairly marginal.

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    5. Re:suspect statement by dmauro · · Score: 1

      I think it's you. I went into the Incredibles expecting another Pixar movie. What I got was an intelligent, witty, funny, sincere, and very incredible movie. It went above and beyond and was one of my favorite movies of the year. Judging by critical acclaim, I would guess that most people are with me on this one.

    6. Re:suspect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Nah, you're just easy to please. Toss you a few computer graphics, a few easy jokes, and you'll lap it up. What was intelligent, witty and funny about The Incredibles? I saw the movie, didn't laugh once, walked out of the theater and had already forgotten all of it.

      In my opinion, it was formulaic, predictable, tame and forgettable.

    7. Re:suspect statement by abigor · · Score: 1

      Anime has some great storylines, mindblowing ideas, and awesome still artwork. But for North American audiences, the animation just doesn't cut it. The framerates are way too low.

      Also, they suffer from goofy, cliched characters, but I guess that's a cultural foible - kind of like the cringe-inducing "humour".

    8. Re:suspect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's why everybody hated the animated sequence in Kill Bill.

      By the way, the behind that sequence teamed up with the guy who directed "Cowboy Bebop" to make a new series, called "Samurai Champloo" which is just now getting released in the US on DVD, and is vastly better than anything on American TV right now. I strongly reccomend it.

    9. Re:suspect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have gone with Team America.

      *Until Team America, the conventional wisdom was that marionettes can't do over-the-top, cheesy satire.*

      Not to mention the homo and gangsta erotic scenes.

    10. Re:suspect statement by Golias · · Score: 1

      is it me or is The Incredibles incredibly overrated, compared to Shrek 1/2 and Toy Story 1/2?

      It's you.

      The Incredibles was an amazing movie, while the other four films you mentioned were merely darn good cartoons.

      Speaking of Animated action, the combat and flight sequences in "Last Exile" are second to none, IMHO.

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    11. Re:suspect statement by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Anime is considered by most of the world, and Hollywood in particular as nonconventional, and thus not to be taken into consideration.

      It's too bad, because the fact that it's "nonconvetional" is the best thing about it.

      There will probably never be a TV show in the US quite like "Haibane Renmei."

      "Azumanga Diaoh" is the best comic fiction about kids since "Peanuts" was in its prime, with the possible exception of "Calvin & Hobbes."

      "Last Exile" is exactly what Lucas probably wishes his Prequel trilogy could be, if he were only a better writer/director.

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    12. Re:suspect statement by Zangief · · Score: 1

      The problem is that Anime is not American, so it doesn't count as animation for Americans. They are very nationalistic in this kind of thing.

    13. Re:suspect statement by bitrott · · Score: 1

      ... and with a plot you can actually follow without needing to be a 5th level zen master? Characters that don't feel the need to scream constantly or act embarassingly? Action that is fluid (frame rate) REALLY kinetic, and imaginative? And wittier than Woody Allen to boot?

      You won't find these all in 99% of anime, and not all in the same movie at once.

    14. Re:suspect statement by bitrott · · Score: 2

      It's alittle something called 'wit'. The wit in that movie is in every scene, every idea, every reference, almost every line. No joke was easy, they were earned. Compare that to the Shrek movies: crappy, unfunny pop-culture references, lame visual gags, bathroom humor.

      The incredibles was touching, often hilarious, ALWAYS mindblowing. Also, I'd hardly call him easily amused... obviously HE was watching the movie with his brain turned on, as evidenced by the many things made-fans walked away appreciating.

    15. Re:suspect statement by bitrott · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How can you even put Shrek in the same category as Toy Story? Because of the graphics? PLEASE, people. Toy Story and The Incredibles are amazing movies because they're good stories told well because BRAIN came before cheap pop-culture references and lame, embarassingly lame visual gags.

      I've always maintained that Shrek doesn't even rate as a fine example of what animation is capable of, when 99% of the gags won't make sense to anyone in 5 years time.

    16. Re:suspect statement by idsofmarch · · Score: 1

      Try Cowboy Beebop, Ghost in the Shell (including Stand Alone Complex), and Akira. 'nuff said.

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    17. Re:suspect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "alittle" is two words, perhaps if you paid attention in every class, to every teacher, every assignment, you'd know that.

    18. Re:suspect statement by bitrott · · Score: 1

      Ass. I didn't hit the space bar like I thought I did. That's called a TYPO. But then, you'd know that if you'd get your head out of your Ramen bowl you smelly otaku.

    19. Re:suspect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Give me ONE example of each, then. Please. I couldn't find them with an electron microscope. I don't see the appeal of the movie. I don't understand how people can like it so much. It just wasn't that good.

      Show me the wit, what was touching, hilarious, mindblowing. Seriously. Was it when the big guy got angry at his office job (oh wow, how ORIGINAL, how WITTY, nobody in the history of mankind has every hated his job, or felt he was meant for better things), or he lifted his car (OH WOW HE'S STRONG GET IT HE'S A SUPERHERO)... or when he kept lifting heavier things... until he lifted a TRAIN!! OH FUCK I'M LAUGHING SO HARD I *NEVER* SAW THAT COMING!!!! HE LIFTED A CAR, NOW HE LIFTED A TRAIN!!!! AAHHH AHAHA HAHAHAHAH!!!

      Or when he had a gut, and didn't fit in the torpedo tube!?? Man, that took a rooom full of PhDs to figure out that "joke", such wit... Yeah, the guy's OLDER see, he's OUT OF SHAPE, and his BELLY WON'T FIT IN THE TUBE!!! AHAH AHHA HA HA HA HA HAAAAA!!! Let me REWIND that on the DVD!!! AHA HAHAHAHAHA!!! THEY HAD TO PRESS "FIRE" *THREE* TIMES!!! AHAHAH AH AH AH AH AHAAAAHHAAAAA

      Seriously, are you five years old? The Incredibles was a masturbation festival for the 'polygons-rendered-per-second' crowd. LOOK AT THAT PIXEL ON THE LEFT, THE SHADOW OF THE OTHER PIXEL REALLY SHOWS!! WOW! GR4ATEST MOVIE EVAR!!!

    20. Re:suspect statement by dmauro · · Score: 1

      While Shrek is not my favorite animated movie by far, I don't think you can say it will be wasted on an audience five years in the future. Shrek took the idea of fairy tale and composed a new frankenstein tale based on all the old ones. It was a traditional fairy tale in its simple moral, and in the way it wove contemporary culture into the story. In the end we can argue about how good it ended up being and how funny it was, but the kids that were in the audience with me loved it every bit as much as I loved reading fairy tales when I was younger. And they didn't even understand half the pop culture references.

    21. Re:suspect statement by Golias · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your comments reveal that you simply miss the point.

      The appeal of anime is a direct result of the fact that it's cheap to make. The low cost means it is a low-risk investment, which means that an Anime creator has far fewer studio pressures than somebody making a US movie or TV show.

      Like I said in another comment, "Haibane Renmei" could never be made for US television. Not because there's nobody writing for TV who's as smart as ABe, but because no TV writer or director has the power to realize a vision which is so unique and fails to fit into any easy-to-sell "genre."

      The same is true of "Kino's Journey," a show which is a hybrid of a road buddy picture, and a smarter, more spiritual "Twilight Zone."

      If you can't follow the plots of such shows, I would not suggest bragging about it.

      Is 99% of anime as good as the stuff I just mentioned? No. Then again, neither is 99.999% of US media.

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    22. Re:suspect statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, i think the point is still valid. anime sucks. even the best anime looks like crap and gives anyone over 30 a headache. the writing is usually done by a monkey and makes about as much sense as a story your 5 year old brother would tell you.

      don't try to sell me on it. sadly, i've prolly seen more anime than you ever will and i'm sick of it...

  8. winners by Fox_1 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Rave Awards

    Film: Brad Bird : Business: Shigeyuki Hori

    Science: Steven Squyres : Medicine: Robert Lanza

    Architecture: Rem Koolhaas : Music: Danger Mouse

    Television: Blair Harrison : Blogs: Kevin Sites

    Books: Jeff Hawkins : Industrial Design: Burt Rutan

    Technology: Mark Fletcher : Art: Jennifer Kevin Mccoy

    Games: Pete Parsons

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  9. "Best use of glow sticks" award goes too . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ron Popeil for Ron Popeil's Pocket Proctology Polyp Fisherman.

  10. News? by Christoff+Ka+Sin+Chu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Uh...this isn't new. I've known this for almost 2 weeks now.

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  11. But....... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

    Halo was released in 2004?
    Will it never end? Pretty soon were going to have slashdot stories, about the slashdot stories on Halo 2.
    I await the flames, safe in the knowladge that I finished it on legendary and it still doesn't make my top ten. But maybe top 15? Geddit?

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    1. Re:But....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'm no fan boy. I'm a fan man. And I could care less about flaming. That's for kids. I am in agreement with Wired. Halo 2 is a brilliant game and Bungee is on the bleeding edge of game design. There's a degree of sophistication in Halo 2 that I didn't see in many other games, even given its flaws. Anyway, some of the most compelling experiences in life are flawed. Halo 2 has an energetic story and design that converge in a uniquely vital gaming experience. I found Halo 2 gameplay incrementally better than the first Halo and the Xbox Live multiplayer is truly outstanding. I loved the campaign mode. Legendary is amazing. Equal to Doom 3. Equal to Half-Life 2, even as good as those games look on my PC. At the end of the day, I'm playing Halo 2 Live more than HL2. No flames; just my opinion. I'm right, of course. But convincing Microsoft haters of that is like trying to convince a vegetarian that a T-bone steak tastes good.

    2. Re:But....... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      I never said anything about Microsoft. They're just the publisher. I never even mentioned other shooters. No other shooter even makes my top 15.
      My point was that Halo 2 was, and still is, overhyped. It's possibly the most hyped game ever, and I've been hearing hype for a long time.

      I never said that the game was bad. It's a great game. But at the end of the day, its still just a game, and not the will of god made flesh as lot of people were making it out to be.
      Overhyping on this level is a disservice to the community as a whole. It has worked tremendously for Halo 2 sales figures, granted. But its success can mean only one thing. Expect games with bugger marketing than development budgets from the likes os EA in future.

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    3. Re:But....... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The success of Halo 2 is GREAT for gaming. Don't you see that? It's a strong product that is creating demand, and that demand will fuel the industry as a whole and keep it growing. Without successes like Halo 2 gaming could be marginalized and even possibly die as a business. Successful games allow for more risks to be taken, not fewer. There's no "disservice to the community." What the hell does that even mean?

    4. Re:But....... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Have you even heard of EA?

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  12. Halo 2? by sahrss · · Score: 1, Troll

    This may be a dupe post by the time I write it, but why would Halo 2 get an award? It seemed to me and most of the people I've talked to that it's just a slight improvement on Halo...and there was nothing revolutionary about the gameplay.

    Unless they're just focusing on the financial success:
    "Halo 2 made $125 million on its first day of release. By contrast, the biggest opening weekend in film history was Spider-Man, which netted a mere $114 million over three days."

    1. Re:Halo 2? by JaffaKREE · · Score: 1

      Apparently the Halo 2 fanboys didn't appreciate your post.

    2. Re:Halo 2? by Capt_Napalm · · Score: 1

      I agree with JaffaKREE and idsofmarch. sahrss' post is not a troll!

      In fact, most of the games mentioned aren't all that revolutionary. I thought Half-Life 2 rocked but it wasn't this huge improvement on the genre. Nothing mentioned about Halo 2 sounded all that kickass-ish. They're simply the natural evolution of games of late: better graphics, better sound, better physics.

      Out of all the nominees, Katamari Damacy sounds like the most unique game to be released lately. I haven't played it myself but the whole concept sounds very interesting. No. Wait. That can't win. It didn't make $125 million the first day. I wonder how they made all that money? Maybe every XBox owner had to buy Halo 2 as it was the only descent game for the system since...

      ...Halo.

    3. Re:Halo 2? by BlaKnail · · Score: 1

      Unless they're just focusing on the financial success:
      "Halo 2 made $125 million on its first day of release. By contrast, the biggest opening weekend in film history was Spider-Man, which netted a mere $114 million over three days."


      Of course that monetary comparison is valid, since we all know that movie tickets coast $50 each nowadays.

      Also, along with all these other fine replies, I agree that the parent is not a troll and is, in fact, making a valid point.

    4. Re:Halo 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the mods didn't like it, but thanks for the encouragement everyone :-P

  13. The list reads like a whos who of nobodys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    i have no idea who any of those people are (and i visit here regular) the only one i recognise is Burt Rutan, but who are the others ?
    fame/success is all relative i guess as any Bollywood star will tell you, you can be a household name in 1 country while in others you are nobody

  14. Is Danger Mouse that important? by sielwolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess it's basic 15-second mainstream digestible keystone of mash-up'dom.

    Of course this is old as hip-hop itself. Dancehall exists on the idea of a riddim becoming popular itself and multiple deejays rap/sing over it. Now hip-hop, R&B and Reggeton artists get in on it. An example from '04: Pitbull "Culo", Mr Vegas "Pull Up", Nina Sky "Move Ya Body" and many others all used the Coolie Dance Riddim.

    The pop culture clash of using a very recognizable outer-genre instrumental (the "mash-up") got big in clubs two years ago (making this Wire award a bit like John Wayne's Oscar). A popular one was Whitney Houston ("I want to dance with somebody") over Kraftwerk ("Numbers") forming ala Voltron to Girls on Top's "I Want to Dance with some Numbers". Nigh unreleasable due to copyright considerations but interesting none the less.

    Of course now MTV is in the Official Mash-up business by creating things that aren't Mash-ups at all (that Jay-Z and Linkin Park thing is, due to original parts by both artists, a collaboration).

    I still think Chopped and Screwed is going to hit the mainstream consciousness soon as T.I.'s disc just got the treatment and it sold amazingly. And kids are chop n' screwing all sorts of tracks now. Many on laptops and then distributed into the public conscious via P2P (so Wired could give it an award and be a bit ahead the bellcurve). Of course this is a decade old style too.

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    1. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by Jakhel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      NOW they get in on it? What do you think remixes are? In fact, what do you call band and orchestra "arrangments"? This concept is nothing new, it's just being applied to a more modern form of music.

      Also, riddims only involve using the same beat with different lyrics. More originality is required to do this.

      As far as mashing up is concerned, it's essentially (this may be a little off topic but I threw it in anyways so fuckit) the same as playing a song with a different instrument than it was originally performed on. Like a flute or guitar player playing the lead in Take 5 instead of a trumpet (or saxophone, i forget) player.

    2. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by piltdownman84 · · Score: 1

      What I think makes Danger Mouse so important is the fact that his album was never* released in the conventional channel, but still was in many critics best albums of the year lists. Its a pretty impressive feat to have an album that sold no* copies, and had no conventional advertisement was able to complete in the critics ratings. Pure word of mouth, and still look how huge the Grey Album became.

      That and the album itself is great, far better then the original Jay-Z album. I agree that there are better "mash-ups", but for people like myself who love classic rock (Like the Beatles) and a little current pop-hip-hop (Like Jay-Z) this album is really great,

      *Yes I know that something like 600 preview copies were pressed and distributed before the Beatles shut the it down, but thats not really a release.

    3. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course this is old as hip-hop itself. Dancehall exists on the idea of a riddim becoming popular itself and multiple deejays rap/sing over it.

      Holy crap... Did you really just spell "Rhythm" using "d" and "i" twice each!?

      No wonder nobody with more than a third-grade educations takes hip-hop seriously.

    4. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you know so much about the history of hip-hop, yet can't remember that the Dave Brubeck Quartet had a saxophone in it, makes me weep just a little bit for the history of Western Civilization.

    5. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by trs9000 · · Score: 1

      You have all of the facts and a good perspective on what we're talking about. (After looking at your journal, I realize I'm not the only one on /. who knows who Jazze Pha is).

      But consider this: The Beatles didn't do anything new. (Well of course they did, later, but stick with me). They bit all these black american blues artists. All they did was popularize it. Same thing is (more) true of Elvis. So, do they not deserve their recognition? Maybe you'd say no, but I think they do. The important thing they did was bring all this music to the masses. They brought attention to it, which allowed for things to move forward (or sideways or whatever). That's important. That's worth mentioning.

    6. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but still was in many critics best albums of the year lists.

      Name three.

    7. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by sielwolf · · Score: 1

      I guess my issue was that re-producing The Black Album was something of a hip-hop production fad at the time.

      The motivation was part tepid reception to the beats on The Black Album but also to MF Doom rebuilding Nas' Nastrodomus (making Nastradoomus. Clever, eh?) and 9th Wonder redoing Nas' God's Son (God's Stepson). As Doom was big in the underground and the publicity of the Jay-Z/Nas feud, there was interest in the community to provide the counterpart to this Nas work.

      Of course both of those were original productions under the accapellas and most of the Black Album versions followed that. Kno's The White Albulum or Kevin Brown's The Brown Album are some noteable examples (the later which I think is the best out there. Very jazzy).

      My personal taste was that this gimmick (Big Name + Big Name + Broader Issue) overshadowed some other stellar efforts. Not that it isn't good but no one cares that there might be something better.

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    8. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by sielwolf · · Score: 1

      I guess we are having a conflict on what the scope of originality I'm having issue with. I'm below the cultural/racial level. Heck, I'm even below the deconstructionist level.

      If someone injects a level of originality into it, I'll accept it as an artistic achievement. Now the quality can be up for dispute. Elvis was sometimes no better than a cover band and that this was hidden is a real shame. But that is a bit different since the mash-up is musical deconstructionism that wears its influences right out on its sleeve. It's as if Elvis took old Blind Willie McTell records and sang Screaming Jay Hawkins over it (instead of releasing covers as an implied original creation and not paying the originators dick).

      This interpolation is the artistic domain in the mash-up and much of hip-hop. And there is some fantastic work done with this.

      "Planet Rock" kills because Bambaataa found the heart of Kraftwerk's "Trans-europe Express" and then plays with it creating something wholly new out those elements. Listening to the instrumental and there's significant enough differences to make it interesting. Of course this track is almost 30 years old and doing this was meat and potatos in hip-hop for that duration.

      And because this is so common, I have trouble saying the Grey Album is such a breakthrough (other than its controversy and it gaining international praise via P2P).

      I'd rather tip a glass to stuff that adds a new element. Like RZA and ODB's "Curse of the Black Widow" and how it is strikingly ribald in comparison to the tightlaced Portishead original ("Mourning Air" if I remember correctly).

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    9. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by Golias · · Score: 1

      They bit all these black american blues artists. All they did was popularize it.

      Totally disagree. Lennon & McCarntey owe at least as much to Rogers and Hammerstein as they do to Elmore James. Also, the close-harmony singing of their early albums certainly did not come from the blues. It came from their own local music.

      Everything came from somewhere, but the Beatles at least built upon their influences to create things the world never heard before. Even their sound guys were doing things in radically new ways.

      Example: McCartney really liked the "big" bass sound on Phil Specter records, and wanted a heavier sound from his bass. The engineers at abbey road took two huge woofer cabinets, and wired one of them as the microphone to record the bass signal coming from other. The result is the mind-blowing (almost underwater-like) bass sound you hear on many of the later Beatles recordings.

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    10. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by advocate_one · · Score: 1
      I've just got into "The Kleptones" thanks to taking a chance downloading a torrent of Yoshimi versus the Hip Hop Robots... fantastic mix mash... and their Night at the Hip Hopera is possibly a veritable classic of this field...

      just one thing... Disney are doing their level best to suppress hosting of "A Night at the Hip Hopera"...

      So get hold of it while you can...

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    11. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by Kiryat+Malachi · · Score: 1

      Jamaican culture, you insignificant fuck, uses the word "riddim" to denote the basslines and drum beats that are used and re-used as backing tracks for vocalists.

      Grand parent was correct, and you are a twat. A very, very dim-witted twat.

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    12. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by OldSchoolNapster · · Score: 1

      I am listening to Night at the Hip Hopera.
      Brilliant. Just Brilliant.

    13. Re:Is Danger Mouse that important? by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      I've got their latest running at the moment... "From Detroit to JA", very smooth subtle mix mash. Nice chillin' music.

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  15. Reading over these Awards by JMPrice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't help but think of those who got left out--i.e. the rest of the members of the teams the highlighted individuals work with. Anyone else get the feeling that some of these awards should have gone to the whole team and the selection of a single individual was rather arbitrary?

  16. Penfold, shush! by RatBastard · · Score: 5, Funny

    I prefer my Dangermouse to be animated and British, thank you very much.

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    1. Re:Penfold, shush! by syukton · · Score: 1

      yeah, I was like "Um, Danger Mouse cut an ... album? I didn't think he had the voice for it.."

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  17. it's you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    given the choice, I'd prefer the incredbiles by a small margin. they're all good films

  18. Two Things... by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    however, I wouldn't bash Spielberg's adaptation of War of the Worlds just yet.

    Atleast wait to see it before you do.

    1) I'll bash it anyway, as it's about the martians, about the firey orange explosions, the goodlooking actor and his disfunctional movie family brought together very formulaically by the upheaval, etc. It'll probably be lots of eye-candy CGI, but that's probably where my enjoyment of it will end.

    2) From an early age it was always a dream, if I won a fat lottery pot I'd do a film true to the original H.G. Wells story. Pendragon has done that and I look forward to it with baited (and popcorn-scented) breath. The story isn't about martians and incredible weapons they have, but of the world's superpower (Victorian England) struck at it's heart by a vastly superior force and the impact it has on the survivors. The hope of watching the iron-clad Thunderchild take on the invaders, the discussion with the man on putney hill, the encounter and eventual confict with the curate. That's what it's about. I read it in 2 nights as a 13 year old and it jarred me and I've often come back to read the tale.

    You may recall Independence Day was originally styled and planned to be titled as a remake of War of the Worlds. Awful.

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    1. Re:Two Things... by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Have you heard Jeff Wayne's War Of The World album? Pretty interesting in a pompous, 1970's way.

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  19. Re:suspect statement (mod parent down) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you make a good point but...

    anime sucks...

    i'm sorry to break the news to you, now put away your cheetoes and tell your mom to iron your best shirt cause its time to get a job. your mom is tired of explaining the odd smell coming out of the basement to her friends that come over.

  20. I hate stuff like this by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Articles like this just make me feel like a big loser. :-( My life is one of squandered oppurtunity. I was one of the best and brightest when I was younger. What the fuck happened?

    Hey, I'm honest, at least.

    1. Re:I hate stuff like this by Sandbox+Conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I couldn't really tell you, but in my case I realized my mother lied to me. I'm a better person now for the wear.

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    2. Re:I hate stuff like this by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1
      My mother taught me to play blackjack when I was 12.

      That was pretty cool, I guess.

    3. Re:I hate stuff like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes...I am sure that you were a unique and beautiful snowflake.

    4. Re:I hate stuff like this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya know, it starts today.

      Going back to school to include industrial design elements into my graphic layouts. Took a year off to read /. (no joke) to get a little worldwide wisdom. And throwing away my previous education in health to start my own business so I can learn something new.

      It's your crappy life. Perhaps you are selling yourself short?

      Oh, and recognition isn't the same as accomplishment. It took me 15 years to be able to utilize color in even a mediocre fashion (I tend to use B/W), but for me that was a huge step forward.

      No one else gives a damn.

  21. Sealab 2021 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chinese guy: "I'm sorry I... I don't understand."
    NORA guy: "Oddly enough, persons of Asian status do not qualify under Article 4."
    C.G.: "Yes... but why not?"
    NORA: "Well, for starters, anime."

  22. Enough free advertizing for wired... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    seems like every story they frontpage gets frontpaged on /.


    enough with supporting them and they views-based advertizing, we are all intelligent people, an if we want to read what is on wired, we already have the page bookmarked in our browser.

  23. Re:Games? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no entertainment category i guess

  24. How does this fit into the games category? by Slashdot+is+dead · · Score: 0, Troll

    More proof that Slashdot is dead.

  25. Grey by soupdevil · · Score: 1

    OK, so it's significant conceptually. As actual music I found it to be quite disappointing. There are much better examples of mash music to be found.

    1. Re:Grey by zonker · · Score: 0

      name one that more people have heard of. the reason why it is significant is because it brought the idea to the greater masses.

      for instance, grunge music was happening elsewhere in seattle before nirvana made it out of their garage. nirvana however was noticed first and made it big, thus bringing the style to the masses. in the end they are credited for a major change in music history...

  26. +1 Dj Screw by OldSchoolNapster · · Score: 1

    Screwed up clique for life!!

    Posts like this make me wish there was a music.slashdot.org

  27. Hey mods, the above posts is not a troll! by idsofmarch · · Score: 1

    Does anyone read the moderator guidelines anymore? F*ck. Halo 2 has better graphics and story, and some nice extras, but you're right there was nothing revolutionary about the game. However, the financial success is pretty impressive.

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  28. Bloglines by yet+another+coward · · Score: 1

    Bloglines tilts my axis. RSS readers are cool, but I read from multiple computers. A single tracker is excellent. It also provides pretty good links to related feeds and has a few nice sorting features, such as sorting feeds by the number of unread entries.

  29. That guy, Jesus. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    His show routinely presents Mr Satan in a bad light, and does not do as much on the crap from the Angels. When he has devil/angel guests on, he routinely softballs the angels, and asks pointed questions (well, for a daily show interview) of the satanists.

    One comment only: Doh!

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  30. Yeah, what about it? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    It is mostly unimaginative, repetitive nonsense.

    A few masterpieces worth watching, that in general, funnily enough, are not action histories.

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  31. They did not popularize it. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    They democatized it, which is quite different.

    Before them "black music" for lack of a better name was constrained by its explicity etnicity. The original idea was to realize that it was good music on its own right and that it deserved a wider, more diverse, audience.

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  32. I agree with Wired about Halo 2 and Bungee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a brilliant game. One of the best in years, and justly awarded. But convincing Microsoft haters of that is like trying to convince a vegetarian that a T-bone steak tastes good.

  33. Re:Games? by Pionar · · Score: 1

    Oh, so I see, I ask a perfectly legitimate question about why a story about a technology awards show is listed under games, under my own username, and I get modded as flamebait? Yeah, that's good moderating there.