I don't know why you assume that I don't know anything about polygamy. The only "details" that you've provided are quotes that don't say what you claim that they say.
You are obviously ignorant of the size of the Territory of Deseret. It was easily three or four times the size that Utah is now. It extended to California. It shrank slowly over time until it became Utah.
I don't know that all LDS believe what you say they believe. I certainly agree that Orin is a bad senator and that the Brigham Young manual from a few years ago is watered down. Everybody that I've talked to about it agrees that it is.
In any case, I never asked you for a "detailed history" of polygamy you simply assumed that I needed one because you misunderstood the quotes that you presented.
Let's start over, shall we? You initially said that we should have let them leave when they wanted to. I asked when it was that they tried to leave and if you meant that you wished that the entire territory of Deseret was not part of the USA now. You have produced no evidence of trying to leave. You have not answered my question about whether you would like most of the western USA to not be part of the country. So, will you answer at least that question?
Every school child in Utah knows that statehood was delayed because of the issue of polygamy. They go over this in 4th and 8th grade. The quote you keep trying to wring a threat to leave out of is simply Brigham Young saying that until the Lord tells him otherwise offers of statehood for Utah aren't going to sway his opinion. There is no threat to leave. You have presented no evidence that he was planning on moving everyone to Canada or Mexico. You have presented no evidence that he was going to declare Utah (Deseret) to be an independent nation. All you have presented is a statement that if the price of statehood is going against the will of the Lord then it is his choice to remain a territory. Do you think that other territories of the USA are threatening to leave because they don't want to become states at the moment?
Now suddenly you have steered the conversation to one of how polygamy is treated currently in the church, which has nothing to do with the original threat to leave. I am sorry that you have issues, but they seem to be preventing you from answering my questions, instead leading you off on a side rant.
So, again, do you wish that most of the western USA was an independent Mormon nation as you implied originally?
When they got to Utah it was part of Mexico. That changed the next year, when it became part of the USA, specifically the territory of Deseret. It included all of present day Utah, I believe all of Nevada, parts of California, Colorado, and Wyoming. Is that what you wish they'd taken? Most of the western US?
Good luck. He is in until he wants to retire. When was the last time he faced a serious challenge? Nobody is going to challenge him in the primary since the right wingers at the convention don't mind him and it would mean giving up seniority. The Democrats that have a chance at state-wide office run for governor (rather than the senate) and lose.
Utah is the most republican state in the nation. Perot beat-out Clinton for second place in the 1992 and 1996 presidential elections. Even the moderate democrats that occasionally get sent to the House of Representatives end up voting with the Republicans on most things, and still they have a hard time holding on to their seats. Admittedly this is partially due to gerrymandering, but gerrymandering doesn't apply in a state-wide race. Would Rocky run for Senate? Would he have a chance? Half the people in Salt Lake hate him and he has made too many enemies with his dictatorial style. Maybe if Matheson loses narrowly for governor and is still interested in public office, but would he run for senate against an incumbent?
As far as Hatch being the secular face of Mormonsim, I thought that was a tie between Donny Osmond and Steve Young, though my vote would be for Randy Bachmann and Mark Madsen.
I spent a lot of time at the end of last year working on a proposal for the State of Hawaii. It was completely different. Again, this is just anecdotal evidence.
Crap! You are right. I read "beef bowl" and assumed that it meant in broth with noodles and kept that mental image in my head while reading the article, though going back it clearly states that it is beef with onion on top of rice. So Tampopo has somewhat less to do with this than I would have thought, though it is still a good movie.
My comment about the bill of rights was an attempt at sarcasm, pointing out that a law isn't invalid just because it is old.
I think that Hatch is constantly proposing legislation and even constitutional ammendments that trample the bill of rights, if that is what you are asking. I have also pointed out elsewhere that I have written to Hatch opposing this law. Have you written him?
Park City local news is just the Salt Lake City news, so the fact that Park City is pretty liberal and your TV set was located there probably didn't influence what was being said in the newsroom in Salt Lake, did it?
I said I was disgusted last time this came up. Let me again say that I am disgusted! I am not high profile though.
I have written letters to Sen. Hatch expressing my disgust as well and explaining how this will actually lead to an increase in child porn since it will popularize FreeNet, which he can't stop. No response yet. He has gone off the deep end. He knows he can keep his job for as long as he wants it so he does wacky stuff now.
Why can't we have a SCO or Hatch story without disparaging remarks about the Mormons? I don't see jokes about Jews getting modded up as funny every time a Jewish name appears on/.
I am just waiting for a polygamy thread to start up in this story.
In any case, if you live in MA, like I do, you already have a Mormon overlord.
When I was in college it was common to purchase Wrod 6.0 and then pay a $100 downgrade fee in order to obtain Word 5.1a. Of course this was on the Mac, and 6.0 was an abomination on the Mac since it was an oddball port of the Windows version.
You wouldn't even need the hard drive. Just use a flash card. How much storage would it take to hold every C=64 game you ever played? I would guess not much. What did the disks hold? 360k? Maybe less? I had a large C=64 game collection on about 200 disks, which I am sure weren't all full. That is about 70MB. So I am sure that a 256 MB flash card could hold every game I ever even thought about playing.
Make it the size of a Palm device with a built in control pad and thumb board. Then add USB ports to hook up the joysticks and a full size keyboard along with a S-Video out so you could hook it up to the TV. Even simpler, have a dock that hooked it up to the TV, keyboard and old-school joysticks.
Oddly I am now willing to pay for games that I pirated as a child.
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You are obviously ignorant of the size of the Territory of Deseret. It was easily three or four times the size that Utah is now. It extended to California. It shrank slowly over time until it became Utah.
I don't know that all LDS believe what you say they believe. I certainly agree that Orin is a bad senator and that the Brigham Young manual from a few years ago is watered down. Everybody that I've talked to about it agrees that it is.
In any case, I never asked you for a "detailed history" of polygamy you simply assumed that I needed one because you misunderstood the quotes that you presented.
Every school child in Utah knows that statehood was delayed because of the issue of polygamy. They go over this in 4th and 8th grade. The quote you keep trying to wring a threat to leave out of is simply Brigham Young saying that until the Lord tells him otherwise offers of statehood for Utah aren't going to sway his opinion. There is no threat to leave. You have presented no evidence that he was planning on moving everyone to Canada or Mexico. You have presented no evidence that he was going to declare Utah (Deseret) to be an independent nation. All you have presented is a statement that if the price of statehood is going against the will of the Lord then it is his choice to remain a territory. Do you think that other territories of the USA are threatening to leave because they don't want to become states at the moment?
Now suddenly you have steered the conversation to one of how polygamy is treated currently in the church, which has nothing to do with the original threat to leave. I am sorry that you have issues, but they seem to be preventing you from answering my questions, instead leading you off on a side rant.
So, again, do you wish that most of the western USA was an independent Mormon nation as you implied originally?
That is a discussion of statehood, not leaving the USA. I don't see a threat to leave the USA there.
How many of those are worth playing?
Yes, I am well aware that you can find lots of things in JoD. I don't see a threat to leave the Union there, do you?
Imagine Google IM, it would read your conversations as you were having them in order to send you targeted ads. Now that is creepy.
Besides when did they try to leave the union?
Utah is the most republican state in the nation. Perot beat-out Clinton for second place in the 1992 and 1996 presidential elections. Even the moderate democrats that occasionally get sent to the House of Representatives end up voting with the Republicans on most things, and still they have a hard time holding on to their seats. Admittedly this is partially due to gerrymandering, but gerrymandering doesn't apply in a state-wide race. Would Rocky run for Senate? Would he have a chance? Half the people in Salt Lake hate him and he has made too many enemies with his dictatorial style. Maybe if Matheson loses narrowly for governor and is still interested in public office, but would he run for senate against an incumbent?
As far as Hatch being the secular face of Mormonsim, I thought that was a tie between Donny Osmond and Steve Young, though my vote would be for Randy Bachmann and Mark Madsen.
Storehouse, Bishop's Storehouse. Get it right. :)
Try NotesBuddy instead of Sametime. You'll love it.
What about the Odyssey? Came out before the 2600. The Odyssey 2 was a 2600 contemporary. You could kill someone with the controllers for that thing.
I spent a lot of time at the end of last year working on a proposal for the State of Hawaii. It was completely different. Again, this is just anecdotal evidence.
Crap! You are right. I read "beef bowl" and assumed that it meant in broth with noodles and kept that mental image in my head while reading the article, though going back it clearly states that it is beef with onion on top of rice. So Tampopo has somewhat less to do with this than I would have thought, though it is still a good movie.
I think that Hatch is constantly proposing legislation and even constitutional ammendments that trample the bill of rights, if that is what you are asking. I have also pointed out elsewhere that I have written to Hatch opposing this law. Have you written him?
Good thing the bill of rights isn't over 100 years old, if it were, then we could ignore it, right?
BTW, how is Romeny pure evil?
I have written letters to Sen. Hatch expressing my disgust as well and explaining how this will actually lead to an increase in child porn since it will popularize FreeNet, which he can't stop. No response yet. He has gone off the deep end. He knows he can keep his job for as long as he wants it so he does wacky stuff now.
I am just waiting for a polygamy thread to start up in this story.
In any case, if you live in MA, like I do, you already have a Mormon overlord.
I am serious though, this is a good movie. Quite funny too.
When I was in college it was common to purchase Wrod 6.0 and then pay a $100 downgrade fee in order to obtain Word 5.1a. Of course this was on the Mac, and 6.0 was an abomination on the Mac since it was an oddball port of the Windows version.
I never beat the original. Never beat Jumpman Jr. either. That hailstone level always took too many lives.
I don't think you can beat the C=64 version on a TV with an old-skool joystick though.
Tell Randy to talk to them. I am sure that it would be mutually benefical.
http://www.angelfire.com/games/ultimateblaster/
I rather like the explosions, took me a while to get it that way though.
That game alone would make the thing worth buying.
Make it the size of a Palm device with a built in control pad and thumb board. Then add USB ports to hook up the joysticks and a full size keyboard along with a S-Video out so you could hook it up to the TV. Even simpler, have a dock that hooked it up to the TV, keyboard and old-school joysticks.
Oddly I am now willing to pay for games that I pirated as a child.