"Why carry Windows, Lindows & Mandrake? Isn't this just overkill?"
As sold at least, this seems very logical to me:
Machine A - 100% Windows Machine B - Linux w/option to run some Win stuff (they've lost points on marketing this though I know) Machine C - 100% Linux
"Worst yet, it's going to really confuse the people that can't afford to get confused when buying a computer because all they can afford is the cheap models."
Well yes, options brings complexity. I've long felt that the entire consumer-level computer industry has played it very close to false advertising at a root level though. It's a rant for another time, but cripes, you can control a robot, your stereo, enjoy the internet, play chess, etc a computer. It's a COMPLEX device because it gives you so freaking many fundamental options. Yes, cute and limited software can be used quite easily by the unlearned, but that's not what started the revolution or the interesting part of its unfolding. Anyway...
"This is a disservice to their loyal customers because they'll have just bought a computer from WalMart but won't understand why they can't walk down the software isle and pick up a game for the kids. So is Wal-mart going to carry shrink wrapped Linux apps too, or are they going to blindly claim that every Windows application can run on it like they did last week?"
Indeed, but how many more companies will, between things like the IBM commercials and Linux being sold pre-installed on a highly visible chains shelves, see Linux as a viable market and target it? Maybe our time has finally come.
"Of course it could be because of the declining quality of these movies, the only one I've seen is Lion King, which was a pretty good flick IMHO."
Which was a wholesale ripoff of the anime Kimba. From http://www.stonebridge.com/dreamland.html: "When Charles Burress, a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle wrote an article on July 11, 1994, titled "Uproar Over 'The Lion King,'" the story broke into the mainstream U.S. media, generating considerable coverage in major newspapers and on national television. The official Disney company response, as first reported in the Chronicle on July 14, was that The Lion King was an original work, and that none of the people involved in creating The Lion King "were aware of Kimba or Tezuka.""
Oh ok, we'll all settle for an inferior and overpriced distribution medium and just give up now on finding a means to allow all interested parties a fair deal using the new tech. Makes sense to me. Gotta run, I need to go and sharpen my chisels so I can write something tomorrow when they bring the days supply of stone slabs into the office via horse-drawn wagon...
My God, what a troll. I don't even use Python and your post must be a joke, but here goes.
"I recently participated as a bidder on one of these. I lost. It was my first time, and I learned a few things that may be of interest."
It would be nice if you actually mentioned them.
"Python is an obscure language that no one has ever heard about, especially in regards to web applications. If you use Python, you may be locked into something that won't be around tomorrow. Visual Basic is much better."
Users I found from the Python Advocacy HowTo:
beloved Google Yahoo & Four11 Thawte SGI InfoSeek Nortel NASA IBM Red Hat National Weather Service National Research Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science in the Netherlands Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute Los Alamos National Laboratory Theoretical Physics Division Florida DMV Bell Atlantic MCI Worldcom RealNetworks ...the list goes on.
Furthermore, it's OSS. As in, never going away until every archive everywhere deletes the source.
I won't even touch your last comment, it speaks rather well for itself.
"Those are complicated languages, and I believe Mandarin in particular is EXTREMELY tonal (i.e., doesn't work well in speech recognition)."
I remember reading some years back that Mandarin was actually particularly well suited to recognition for exactly that reason. Makes sense if you think about it because some ambiguity is removed, ie there is no 'meet-meat-mete' in Chinese.
No I won't shut the fuck up you shit eating fucktard. OK, so I'm in a bad mood.
Star Wars = Movie = Art Mona Lisa = Painting = Art Tower of Pisa = Architecture = Art
It's all ART, different kinds and qualities, but art none the less.
He doesn't own my memories or nostalgia, which are the prime motivator for me to re-watch or re-purchase his fucking movies in the first fucking place. DIPSHIT.
"I thought it was great they Jabba was added to A New Hope"
Yeah and while they're at it, that Mona Lisa chick could sure use a makeover. Maybe straighten that damned tower too.
The work was _finished_ and the art entered our minds and conciousness in that form, reinforced by over twenty years of repeated viewing by millions of people. To alter it now is tantamount to my exaggerations above. This just proves how out of touch with what he has created Lucas is. He really must see Star Wars simply as a rehash of the cheap serials from his youth, because he sure treats it that way. Screw him. Phantom Schlock was the last SW movie I will see in the theatre, and as I've stated before, though less brusquely, he can shove his revisionist DVD's up his ass.
The pipes cost the same to maintain regardless of how much data is flowing. Unless you're arguing that it costs them so very much more in management for those users, which I find specious.
"There is a very insightful point in the article describing how the re-mastered Star Wars has Greedo shoot Han Solo first, making it look like Han Solo acted in self-defence, and effectively 'nicing' up his character. In the original, he shoots first. In the new movies, only robots get shot."
OK, I'm lame and it's OT, but this _really_ pisses me the fuck off. Between this, the fact that the original movies STILL haven't been released on DVD, and the fact that the original unmodified VHS versions aren't available new anymore, if I were ever to meet Lucas I would want to say "You pompous, greedy control freak, get out of my way" rather than "Thanks for the movies man, you rock".
"For one thing, it doesn't explain the frequent security flaws in Linux and Apache. To continue the analogy, there are so many holes, it looks like a golf course."
From the SecurityFocus vulnerability db:
IIS since 5.0 - 56 entries Apache since 1.3.17 - 7 entries
Your argument is flawed at best, outright FUD at worst.
"It would seem to me that alot of people are implying some evil intent where it's very possible that none may have been."
You see it as "very possible", while most of the rest of the people here see it as "bloody unlikely" based on the past exploits of the company.
""Extinguish" is an ambiguous term."
I'm still not sure if you're a just a troll or an outright shill, but certainly one or the other.
MS has been found GUILTY. TWICE. They are a PREDATORY MONOPOLY. They didn't get that way by management just being a regular bunch of Joe's who play by the rules and are simply misunderstood if/when they don't. Have you ever read the Halloween docs? Big difference between being competitive and sociopathic, which is exactly the kind of behavior exhibited, in aggregate, by MS.
We'll be sure to consult with you on the exact meaning of colloquial expressions in the future. And speaking as the most powerful bug in the two universes, I'd like to see this Spider-whoever try it with me!
LEXX
BTW - It was a bit of irony that the expression 'squash like a bug' was used to describe how a movie _about_ a bug (sorta) performed at the box office. Try using your feel for humor before pounding your chest next time.
"Don't hire a bunch of UNIX bigots if you have WIn 2K servers. Not only will these folks not be familiar with the technology, they will also have a bias towards bad-mouthing it."
"The FACTUAL errors of java zealots are always incredible."
The ARROGANCE and WORD TWISTING of MS serfs is always incredible.
"the point is that I can implement on any platform"
And I say that that is only half the story, aka bullshit. That is all. Forms, etc will never be released to a standards body. The CLR and C# are largley useless from a cross-platform development point of view without all that. Unless MS is currently planning for and intending to _make happen_ the day that they give up control of the desktop. I guess we shall see.
"Microsoft's willingness to put Visual Studio.NET on a Palm Pilot has zero bearing on whether C# is a standard or not."
No, really? It never would have occurred to me! Thanks for explaining that. Jeez. You are again ignoring/missing the real issue of true cross-platform app development, which is the #1 or #2 reason people choose Java, depending on who you ask.
"C# really is a standard. Microsoft's decision to go the standards route really validates the competitive advantage true open standards generate."
BS. Only the CLR and C# have been submitted. Further, I seriously doubt that any real.NET tools will be available from MS for any platform but Windows, pretty much ever. You really think they are willing to completely open all their shiny new API's for easy implementation by everyone else? Re-reading the Halloween documents will help clarify what goes on the heads of MS management.
There is a differnce between what we used to call "Workaholism" and "Internet Time"... Workaholism is a refusal to stop working (or prompting to work) for a measured period of time to force either change or innovation through personal or redirected physical, mechanical and technological means...
Not according to the dictionary. Workaholism is a compulsive desire to work, regardless of outcomes. What you are describing is called dedication.
For a best case example, compare this to Linux users who wait months for the newest kernel to fix their bugs, as opposed to those who wait weeks for Microsoft to come up with their patches/service packs... Microsoft is expected to rebuild a OS (from scratch) far faster than Linux, and is condemnned the moment it exceeds hours past another exploit being exposed, while Linux users wait patiently for months for the equivelent being released...
Holy crap. This is the most amazingly absurd couple of lines I've stumbled across in a _long_ time. Well done!
Slashdot Mirror
In regards to your post, I think Cartman said it best:
"Ooh, Mah, God."
That has to be one of the lamest, most pathetic, sad and depressing posts I've read in a long time. Possibly ever. Well done!
LEXX
"but in the next generation of currency, there will be a small bar code on the upper right edge of the currency for this purpose."
And another control scheme falls to SuperSharpie, most permanent and black of markers! Is there no limit to its powers?!
LEXX
"Why carry Windows, Lindows & Mandrake? Isn't this just overkill?"
As sold at least, this seems very logical to me:
Machine A - 100% Windows
Machine B - Linux w/option to run some Win stuff (they've lost points on marketing this though I know)
Machine C - 100% Linux
"Worst yet, it's going to really confuse the people that can't afford to get confused when buying a computer because all they can afford is the cheap models."
Well yes, options brings complexity. I've long felt that the entire consumer-level computer industry has played it very close to false advertising at a root level though. It's a rant for another time, but cripes, you can control a robot, your stereo, enjoy the internet, play chess, etc a computer. It's a COMPLEX device because it gives you so freaking many fundamental options. Yes, cute and limited software can be used quite easily by the unlearned, but that's not what started the revolution or the interesting part of its unfolding. Anyway...
"This is a disservice to their loyal customers because they'll have just bought a computer from WalMart but won't understand why they can't walk down the software isle and pick up a game for the kids. So is Wal-mart going to carry shrink wrapped Linux apps too, or are they going to blindly claim that every Windows application can run on it like they did last week?"
Indeed, but how many more companies will, between things like the IBM commercials and Linux being sold pre-installed on a highly visible chains shelves, see Linux as a viable market and target it? Maybe our time has finally come.
LEXX
"Of course it could be because of the declining quality of these movies, the only one I've seen is Lion King, which was a pretty good flick IMHO."
Which was a wholesale ripoff of the anime Kimba.
From http://www.stonebridge.com/dreamland.html:
"When Charles Burress, a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle wrote an article on July 11, 1994, titled "Uproar Over 'The Lion King,'" the story broke into the mainstream U.S. media, generating considerable coverage in major newspapers and on national television. The official Disney company response, as first reported in the Chronicle on July 14, was that The Lion King was an original work, and that none of the people involved in creating The Lion King "were aware of Kimba or Tezuka.""
Lies, damned lies and Disney execs...
LEXX
Oh ok, we'll all settle for an inferior and overpriced distribution medium and just give up now on finding a means to allow all interested parties a fair deal using the new tech. Makes sense to me. Gotta run, I need to go and sharpen my chisels so I can write something tomorrow when they bring the days supply of stone slabs into the office via horse-drawn wagon...
LEXX
My God, what a troll. I don't even use Python and your post must be a joke, but here goes.
Red Hat
"I recently participated as a bidder on one of these. I lost. It was my first time, and I learned a few things that may be of interest."
It would be nice if you actually mentioned them.
"Python is an obscure language that no one has ever heard about, especially in regards to web applications. If you use Python, you may be locked into something that won't be around tomorrow. Visual Basic is much better."
Users I found from the Python Advocacy HowTo:
beloved Google
Yahoo & Four11
Thawte
SGI
InfoSeek
Nortel
NASA
IBM
National Weather Service
National Research Institute for Mathematics and Computer Science in the Netherlands
Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute
Los Alamos National Laboratory Theoretical Physics Division
Florida DMV
Bell Atlantic
MCI Worldcom
RealNetworks
...the list goes on.
Furthermore, it's OSS. As in, never going away until every archive everywhere deletes the source.
I won't even touch your last comment, it speaks rather well for itself.
Still, I want some of what you are smoking!
LEXX
"My agency only uses IIS, Apache is not on the 'networthiness' list for this location, so no Apache for me."
The mind boggles. How clueless exactly are the people who make this list? Who are they? How do we get them fired?
LEXX
Right, just like Tibet eh? I spit on the idea, and so do most, if not all, of the people in both places. Feh.
LEXX
"Those are complicated languages, and I believe Mandarin in particular is EXTREMELY tonal (i.e., doesn't work well in speech recognition)."
I remember reading some years back that Mandarin was actually particularly well suited to recognition for exactly that reason. Makes sense if you think about it because some ambiguity is removed, ie there is no 'meet-meat-mete' in Chinese.
LEXX
No I won't shut the fuck up you shit eating fucktard. OK, so I'm in a bad mood.
Star Wars = Movie = Art
Mona Lisa = Painting = Art
Tower of Pisa = Architecture = Art
It's all ART, different kinds and qualities, but art none the less.
He doesn't own my memories or nostalgia, which are the prime motivator for me to re-watch or re-purchase his fucking movies in the first fucking place. DIPSHIT.
Whatthefuckever.
LEXX
"I thought it was great they Jabba was added to A New Hope"
Yeah and while they're at it, that Mona Lisa chick could sure use a makeover. Maybe straighten that damned tower too.
The work was _finished_ and the art entered our minds and conciousness in that form, reinforced by over twenty years of repeated viewing by millions of people. To alter it now is tantamount to my exaggerations above. This just proves how out of touch with what he has created Lucas is. He really must see Star Wars simply as a rehash of the cheap serials from his youth, because he sure treats it that way. Screw him. Phantom Schlock was the last SW movie I will see in the theatre, and as I've stated before, though less brusquely, he can shove his revisionist DVD's up his ass.
LEXX
The pipes cost the same to maintain regardless of how much data is flowing. Unless you're arguing that it costs them so very much more in management for those users, which I find specious.
LEXX
"There is a very insightful point in the article describing how the re-mastered Star Wars has Greedo shoot Han Solo first, making it look like Han Solo acted in self-defence, and effectively 'nicing' up his character. In the original, he shoots first. In the new movies, only robots get shot."
OK, I'm lame and it's OT, but this _really_ pisses me the fuck off. Between this, the fact that the original movies STILL haven't been released on DVD, and the fact that the original unmodified VHS versions aren't available new anymore, if I were ever to meet Lucas I would want to say "You pompous, greedy control freak, get out of my way" rather than "Thanks for the movies man, you rock".
Pissed LEXX
"For one thing, it doesn't explain the frequent security flaws in Linux and Apache. To continue the analogy, there are so many holes, it looks like a golf course."
From the SecurityFocus vulnerability db:
IIS since 5.0 - 56 entries
Apache since 1.3.17 - 7 entries
Your argument is flawed at best, outright FUD at worst.
LEXX
"It would seem to me that alot of people are implying some evil intent where it's very possible that none may have been."
You see it as "very possible", while most of the rest of the people here see it as "bloody unlikely" based on the past exploits of the company.
""Extinguish" is an ambiguous term."
I'm still not sure if you're a just a troll or an outright shill, but certainly one or the other.
MS has been found GUILTY. TWICE. They are a PREDATORY MONOPOLY. They didn't get that way by management just being a regular bunch of Joe's who play by the rules and are simply misunderstood if/when they don't. Have you ever read the Halloween docs? Big difference between being competitive and sociopathic, which is exactly the kind of behavior exhibited, in aggregate, by MS.
LEXX
LEXX
We'll be sure to consult with you on the exact meaning of colloquial expressions in the future. And speaking as the most powerful bug in the two universes, I'd like to see this Spider-whoever try it with me!
LEXX
BTW - It was a bit of irony that the expression 'squash like a bug' was used to describe how a movie _about_ a bug (sorta) performed at the box office. Try using your feel for humor before pounding your chest next time.
"And what about people that don't have eyes??"
:)
They don't drive much anyway, I hope. Oh, this isn't just about licenses...
LEXX
"Don't hire a bunch of UNIX bigots if you have WIn 2K servers. Not only will these folks not be familiar with the technology, they will also have a bias towards bad-mouthing it."
And vice-versa. Geez.
LEXX
"The FACTUAL errors of java zealots are always incredible."
.NET on a Palm Pilot has zero bearing on whether C# is a standard or not."
The ARROGANCE and WORD TWISTING of MS serfs is always incredible.
"the point is that I can implement on any platform"
And I say that that is only half the story, aka bullshit. That is all. Forms, etc will never be released to a standards body. The CLR and C# are largley useless from a cross-platform development point of view without all that. Unless MS is currently planning for and intending to _make happen_ the day that they give up control of the desktop. I guess we shall see.
"Microsoft's willingness to put Visual Studio
No, really? It never would have occurred to me! Thanks for explaining that. Jeez. You are again ignoring/missing the real issue of true cross-platform app development, which is the #1 or #2 reason people choose Java, depending on who you ask.
LEXX
"C# really is a standard. Microsoft's decision to go the standards route really validates the competitive advantage true open standards generate."
.NET tools will be available from MS for any platform but Windows, pretty much ever. You really think they are willing to completely open all their shiny new API's for easy implementation by everyone else? Re-reading the Halloween documents will help clarify what goes on the heads of MS management.
BS. Only the CLR and C# have been submitted. Further, I seriously doubt that any real
LEXX
"Fortunatley I don't have to think about the rings durability."
:)
Let me guess, she's really old and really rich right?
LEXX
Oh come on, they're just now releasing .NET afer how many years of development? Versus two months?! I stand by my original post.
Big difference between adding an IP stack and a browser component and debugging/stabilizing/refactoring/etc your entire product line.
LEXX
There is a differnce between what we used to call "Workaholism" and "Internet Time"... Workaholism is a refusal to stop working (or prompting to work) for a measured period of time to force either change or innovation through personal or redirected physical, mechanical and technological means...
Not according to the dictionary. Workaholism is a compulsive desire to work, regardless of outcomes. What you are describing is called dedication.
For a best case example, compare this to Linux users who wait months for the newest kernel to fix their bugs, as opposed to those who wait weeks for Microsoft to come up with their patches/service packs... Microsoft is expected to rebuild a OS (from scratch) far faster than Linux, and is condemnned the moment it exceeds hours past another exploit being exposed, while Linux users wait patiently for months for the equivelent being released...
Holy crap. This is the most amazingly absurd couple of lines I've stumbled across in a _long_ time. Well done!
LEXX