Don't believe everything you hear or anything you say.
I think that applies to this discussion. All I see here are posts on how these kids don't deserve a "free ride" when they've never gotten a "free ride" in their entire lives, or jokes about getting "capped" for making the IT dept. angry, or even dumber jokes about porn stars, or a complete lack of faith in these kids.
Haven't any of you been young and frustrated once? Were you born into IT or development, and therefore have the right to snub anyone you find unfit? Have a little faith! Just an ounce, that's all I (and anyone who wants to see a positive change in the world) ask!
Nobody believes that other people can change, and why? Because they don't see themselves able to change, and that MUST mean it's impossible, right? WRONG! What it all comes down to is that, until someone goes completely insane, everyone wakes up in the morning hoping that today will be all right, or at least better than yesterday. To deny these kids that right and that possibility because of your own biases and apathy is shameless, and should get you to thinking about what CAN be done, if this doesn't work. Until you can find a better example of a positive plan for the future, shut up and let others have a chance at it.
There's just too much crap in this world without shoveling it back on one another.
That's a little like saying "the egg needs something large, fluffy, warm and feathered to sit on it for a while before it will hatch and we can have chickens"
Yes, you're right and I'm sorry. I made that post with a weak and tired mind, and I want you to know that it is my philosophy that fear is the worst reason to do or not do something.
Thank you for your suggestions, especially the reading material. Rest assured they will take priority in my current reading queue. Not only that, but I've found that self-education is the only way to really relieve irrational fears (as did Newton). Rest assured, I generally don't get quite so hyped up without pursuing a better understanding of my subject. Sometimes, I just don't know where to start looking for knowledge of it. You have given me that starting point, and that is the best thing a person could have.
Thank you again, and God (or whatever power you believe in) bless you.
God bless you for your dedicated answer! I'll read it tomorrow as I'm beat and have an 8 o'clock class tomorrow, but I've skimmed it, and you present some interesting insights. I never thought I'd get a 4 for my comment, but I seem to have generated a lot of interest in the issues at hand.
First, let me ask you about yourself:
Where are you from, what is your principle area of study (major if you're in or went to college, or just your major intellectual interest), and anything else you'd like to tell me, e-mail me at Hey_I_try@nospam.yahoo.com (remove the nospam).
...is going to pay my thought on this subject much attention, but here goes:
It is time for us to stop. Just to stop and take a moment to reflect on the knowledge we have and what is possible with it in hand. We make bigger, better, faster computers, and put them into operation immediately, for use in labs, and hospitals, and all the places where we need accuracy, and checking, and double-checking. We start cloning and genetically engineering humans without regard to the psychological consequences -- what will it be like to grow up knowing you wouldn't have just "happened" the way normal kids have. When we finally reach deep down enough inside the atom and find the particle we're currently looking for, that's not good enough. We have to build a bigger accelerator, abandoning the last one.
We need to start taking some responsibility -- the genetic code is a programming language in which we're not yet versed enough. Mistakes made there won't send up a compiler warning, they will ruin someone's life. Who's making sure we know what we're doing -- not what, WHY -- when we (as a global society) develop something like artificial intelligence? Sure, popular media -- so-called sci-fi movies and books -- pretend to address the issue, and some writers actually focus, but good luck getting those involved to turn an eye outward long enough to convince them of the moral issues involved.
The surest way to be sure of what we are doing is to stop relying on an economical system that simply doesn't work. Capitalism sucks, and we all know it. Technological tools are wasted on popular culture and ignorant masses. So many resources are wasted, so much time is wasted, so many lives are wasted. And before anyone posts beneath me calling me a Communist or whatever, no, I'm not. I just have no faith in ANY system that doesn't work, that is run by greed, and I'm open to suggestion. I'm a human being first and foremost, and I don't see how the world as we know it is run by and for human beings.
Every time I think of it, I flash back to Gödel, Escher, Bach: no system can ever be complete which relies on itself to define itself. It's a good book, and thank you to those who recommended it a couple months ago. I got it out that day, and I've read the first part so far, and I got it out again to finish it as soon as I returned to school.
Then again, I could be a complete idiot. Maybe I don't understand science and industry as well as I think I do from my limited viewpoint. Please post rational thoughts below.
Of course, maybe I should just stick to writing poetry...
Sure, but how do you know Linux is inferior without being able to see the source for Windows/Office/etc? Wouldn't you feel safer knowing that peer review, rather than supply and demand, keeps bugs and security flaws out? It's not just for our moral good that most people choose a type of software that is open source.
Me, I'm a second-year Software Engineer student, and I remember getting sooo excited at my first brand new PC (a Pentium 100) only to find that programming under Windows95 could cost me an arm and a leg, unlike the all-in-one hook-up-to-your-TV computers I had used before (Commodore 64 and Tandy 100) which included BASIC. GNU/Linux has been a Godsend. All the programming tools I could ever want are included in any sensible distro you can find/buy/download/copy from a friend. I use the GNU prefix (now, anyway) because I realize [sentimental](after all the recent flame wars on the subject here at/.) that all the tools that let me create my own software are the work of a group that wanted to provide that ability to whoever needed it, including, but not limited to, kids like myself.[/sentimental]
I left a lot of my older computers (actually some just recently acquired) at home while I went to college. None were better than a P-100. My room's a complete mess, so they're now being used as floor covering, as well as a reminder that "Josh was here!"
I think they're just requiring it to be used in gov't offices -- not a bad idea, since it frees up taxpayers' money, which can then be used on whatever OS they want! (Or, perhaps a donation to the FSF, EFF, et al?).
I have to agree with shanek. If there is no EULA-style "You Must Agree To/Not To..." before opening a DVD, then use of ANY tool to decrypt DVDs IS not and CANNOT be made illegal.
I mean, a precedent was set last month or maybe even earlier involving the Netscape license: they had a license posted for downloaded software, but they didn't MAKE anyone view it -- they merely linked to it on the download page or something, from what I understand. The judge ruled that a license that the user doesn't have to SEE can't be legally binding -- what about one that the user doesn't even know EXISTS (except in the MPAA's (legal dept's) heads, of course)?
Pity, though, I was hoping the MPAA and the ignorance of our gov't would cause a revolution during which most things would be made kick-ass...open up source code, freely distribute all kinds of media/art forms...
Neo represents a hacker Messiah. He was conceived (not in the way we enjoy) to break humanity from the bondage that is the Matrix -- a metaphor for our drab daily lives where everyone has a "normal" job and dresses in dull-colored business suits. The Matrix also represents the idea that the machines we create will eventually overpower us, something I think science fiction has allowed us to contemplate long enough where it will be handled responsibly.
Anyway, enough history and my take on technology and ethics.
NEO may have gotten away from the agents, and empowered himself by freeing his mind (from the constraints of society -- the Matrix), but now he and the others have to help all the other people in the world realize who and what they are and how they, too, can be freed from bondage. Neo sees the fake world in its code form, and he knows that that's all it is -- code which he can manipulate to his will (kinda cool how Open Source comes to mind in that context). Now he must show the people of the world what he knows, and how to empower themselves.
I don't know why I'm telling you this... it's obvious you saw only the fighting in the movie as having meaning, and paid little attention to the dialogue. Otherwise, you would have caught things like these quotes. If you can't Identify with what Morpheus says, you're probably not living your life to the fullest.
Anyone have screen shots? I'd like to know what my desktop would LOOK like. KDE doesn't seem to have any for 2.2, or even any information regarding it. Thanks.
Now, I won't EVER have to see another banner ad on MY Internet. I think most people would agree that this one would be better if big business would get OFF it and let those of us with intelligent interests do what we want with it.
You want a new network? Good. Go ahead and build your OWN infrastructure. See who follows.
Cigarettes were advertised as sexy and healthy (or at least normal), when they actually kill people and make them ugly. I mean, we're talking about killing people to make money... for that SOLE reason. This took years to prove in court.
How long, then, will it take them to get Adobe/Microsoft, et al, for advertising their products as secure when they certainly are not?
I believe that all governments involving more than a single person are too complex, and are futile. The only good government would trick people into solving their own problems. Self-empowerment is the only way.
What about acknowledgement? The article describes the situation as a woman who's being used (if she's not getting much credit, and they're her cells, she's being *used*, IMNSHO) for scientific research, whose name most people haven't even heard of. The poster even mentioned that, though they had worked with these HeLa cells, they didn't know her story.
I'm not saying they should build a huge statue or anything, but at least mention in a science/medicine journal how helpful this woman's existence has been to research.
Slashdot Mirror
*buzz* wrong!!!
Human thoughts are not based on language. Language is high-level. Neurons are low-level. Thoughts themselves are somewhere 'twixt the two.
Exactly! And did you notice the trend in their advertising?
"...if The Software had a head to nod, it would."
"...but The Software is neither proud nor humble."
Does this sound at all comparable to anyone else to "The Party"?!? "And pretty soon we will all speak only one word, [Microsoft]!"
This is double-plus-ungood!
The fortune at the bottom of the page says:
Don't believe everything you hear or anything you say.
I think that applies to this discussion. All I see here are posts on how these kids don't deserve a "free ride" when they've never gotten a "free ride" in their entire lives, or jokes about getting "capped" for making the IT dept. angry, or even dumber jokes about porn stars, or a complete lack of faith in these kids.
Haven't any of you been young and frustrated once? Were you born into IT or development, and therefore have the right to snub anyone you find unfit? Have a little faith! Just an ounce, that's all I (and anyone who wants to see a positive change in the world) ask!
Nobody believes that other people can change, and why? Because they don't see themselves able to change, and that MUST mean it's impossible, right? WRONG! What it all comes down to is that, until someone goes completely insane, everyone wakes up in the morning hoping that today will be all right, or at least better than yesterday. To deny these kids that right and that possibility because of your own biases and apathy is shameless, and should get you to thinking about what CAN be done, if this doesn't work. Until you can find a better example of a positive plan for the future, shut up and let others have a chance at it.
There's just too much crap in this world without shoveling it back on one another.
Nah, actually it'll have to be implemented through
check for the module for FAT32 fs support:
/mnt/windows
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows(or, if that doesn't work):
/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows
/lib/modules//kernel/fs/vfat/vfat.o[.gz]
then, once you're sure you have support for it one way or another, make a directory to mount that sucker:
mkdir
and then mount [that sucker]!
mount
mount -t vfat
of course, I'm assuming that you have only one drive, IDE, and that your Windows part is the first partition, but that is a standard assumption
That's a little like saying "the egg needs something large, fluffy, warm and feathered to sit on it for a while before it will hatch and we can have chickens"
will it go to "Special" Ed?
I know, I know... it's "Remedial" burning class.
Yeah, but they'll probably misspell it "Went down in a blaze of glory".
Yes, you're right and I'm sorry. I made that post with a weak and tired mind, and I want you to know that it is my philosophy that fear is the worst reason to do or not do something.
Thank you for your suggestions, especially the reading material. Rest assured they will take priority in my current reading queue. Not only that, but I've found that self-education is the only way to really relieve irrational fears (as did Newton). Rest assured, I generally don't get quite so hyped up without pursuing a better understanding of my subject. Sometimes, I just don't know where to start looking for knowledge of it. You have given me that starting point, and that is the best thing a person could have.
Thank you again, and God (or whatever power you believe in) bless you.
--Joshua
God bless you for your dedicated answer! I'll read it tomorrow as I'm beat and have an 8 o'clock class tomorrow, but I've skimmed it, and you present some interesting insights. I never thought I'd get a 4 for my comment, but I seem to have generated a lot of interest in the issues at hand.
First, let me ask you about yourself:
Where are you from, what is your principle area of study (major if you're in or went to college, or just your major intellectual interest), and anything else you'd like to tell me, e-mail me at Hey_I_try@nospam.yahoo.com (remove the nospam).
...is going to pay my thought on this subject much attention, but here goes:
It is time for us to stop. Just to stop and take a moment to reflect on the knowledge we have and what is possible with it in hand. We make bigger, better, faster computers, and put them into operation immediately, for use in labs, and hospitals, and all the places where we need accuracy, and checking, and double-checking. We start cloning and genetically engineering humans without regard to the psychological consequences -- what will it be like to grow up knowing you wouldn't have just "happened" the way normal kids have. When we finally reach deep down enough inside the atom and find the particle we're currently looking for, that's not good enough. We have to build a bigger accelerator, abandoning the last one.
We need to start taking some responsibility -- the genetic code is a programming language in which we're not yet versed enough. Mistakes made there won't send up a compiler warning, they will ruin someone's life. Who's making sure we know what we're doing -- not what, WHY -- when we (as a global society) develop something like artificial intelligence? Sure, popular media -- so-called sci-fi movies and books -- pretend to address the issue, and some writers actually focus, but good luck getting those involved to turn an eye outward long enough to convince them of the moral issues involved.
The surest way to be sure of what we are doing is to stop relying on an economical system that simply doesn't work. Capitalism sucks, and we all know it. Technological tools are wasted on popular culture and ignorant masses. So many resources are wasted, so much time is wasted, so many lives are wasted. And before anyone posts beneath me calling me a Communist or whatever, no, I'm not. I just have no faith in ANY system that doesn't work, that is run by greed, and I'm open to suggestion. I'm a human being first and foremost, and I don't see how the world as we know it is run by and for human beings.
Every time I think of it, I flash back to Gödel, Escher, Bach: no system can ever be complete which relies on itself to define itself. It's a good book, and thank you to those who recommended it a couple months ago. I got it out that day, and I've read the first part so far, and I got it out again to finish it as soon as I returned to school.
Then again, I could be a complete idiot. Maybe I don't understand science and industry as well as I think I do from my limited viewpoint. Please post rational thoughts below.
Of course, maybe I should just stick to writing poetry...
--Joshua
E) Pissed-off OEMs that are sick of M$'s influence and demands on their products
and
F) Pissed-off gov't offices willing to learn something slightly different and tired of licensing issues/overpriced upgrades
There's room for anything new in this world, so long as it provides a real change.
Sure, but how do you know Linux is inferior without being able to see the source for Windows/Office/etc? Wouldn't you feel safer knowing that peer review, rather than supply and demand, keeps bugs and security flaws out? It's not just for our moral good that most people choose a type of software that is open source.
/.) that all the tools that let me create my own software are the work of a group that wanted to provide that ability to whoever needed it, including, but not limited to, kids like myself.[/sentimental]
Me, I'm a second-year Software Engineer student, and I remember getting sooo excited at my first brand new PC (a Pentium 100) only to find that programming under Windows95 could cost me an arm and a leg, unlike the all-in-one hook-up-to-your-TV computers I had used before (Commodore 64 and Tandy 100) which included BASIC. GNU/Linux has been a Godsend. All the programming tools I could ever want are included in any sensible distro you can find/buy/download/copy from a friend. I use the GNU prefix (now, anyway) because I realize [sentimental](after all the recent flame wars on the subject here at
Try getting that from closed source.
I left a lot of my older computers (actually some just recently acquired) at home while I went to college. None were better than a P-100. My room's a complete mess, so they're now being used as floor covering, as well as a reminder that "Josh was here!"
I think they're just requiring it to be used in gov't offices -- not a bad idea, since it frees up taxpayers' money, which can then be used on whatever OS they want! (Or, perhaps a donation to the FSF, EFF, et al?).
GNU's Not GNU?
haven't MSN users always been hearing voices?
I have to agree with shanek. If there is no EULA-style "You Must Agree To/Not To..." before opening a DVD, then use of ANY tool to decrypt DVDs IS not and CANNOT be made illegal.
I mean, a precedent was set last month or maybe even earlier involving the Netscape license: they had a license posted for downloaded software, but they didn't MAKE anyone view it -- they merely linked to it on the download page or something, from what I understand. The judge ruled that a license that the user doesn't have to SEE can't be legally binding -- what about one that the user doesn't even know EXISTS (except in the MPAA's (legal dept's) heads, of course)?
Pity, though, I was hoping the MPAA and the ignorance of our gov't would cause a revolution during which most things would be made kick-ass...open up source code, freely distribute all kinds of media/art forms...
How did you SEE the movie and not get this?
Neo represents a hacker Messiah. He was conceived (not in the way we enjoy) to break humanity from the bondage that is the Matrix -- a metaphor for our drab daily lives where everyone has a "normal" job and dresses in dull-colored business suits. The Matrix also represents the idea that the machines we create will eventually overpower us, something I think science fiction has allowed us to contemplate long enough where it will be handled responsibly.
Anyway, enough history and my take on technology and ethics.
NEO may have gotten away from the agents, and empowered himself by freeing his mind (from the constraints of society -- the Matrix), but now he and the others have to help all the other people in the world realize who and what they are and how they, too, can be freed from bondage. Neo sees the fake world in its code form, and he knows that that's all it is -- code which he can manipulate to his will (kinda cool how Open Source comes to mind in that context). Now he must show the people of the world what he knows, and how to empower themselves.
I don't know why I'm telling you this... it's obvious you saw only the fighting in the movie as having meaning, and paid little attention to the dialogue. Otherwise, you would have caught things like these quotes. If you can't Identify with what Morpheus says, you're probably not living your life to the fullest.
Anyone have screen shots? I'd like to know what my desktop would LOOK like. KDE doesn't seem to have any for 2.2, or even any information regarding it. Thanks.
Now, I won't EVER have to see another banner ad on MY Internet. I think most people would agree that this one would be better if big business would get OFF it and let those of us with intelligent interests do what we want with it. You want a new network? Good. Go ahead and build your OWN infrastructure. See who follows.
Cigarettes were advertised as sexy and healthy (or at least normal), when they actually kill people and make them ugly. I mean, we're talking about killing people to make money... for that SOLE reason. This took years to prove in court.
How long, then, will it take them to get Adobe/Microsoft, et al, for advertising their products as secure when they certainly are not?
I believe that all governments involving more than a single person are too complex, and are futile. The only good government would trick people into solving their own problems. Self-empowerment is the only way.
What about acknowledgement? The article describes the situation as a woman who's being used (if she's not getting much credit, and they're her cells, she's being *used*, IMNSHO) for scientific research, whose name most people haven't even heard of. The poster even mentioned that, though they had worked with these HeLa cells, they didn't know her story.
I'm not saying they should build a huge statue or anything, but at least mention in a science/medicine journal how helpful this woman's existence has been to research.
I just read this story now at 3:00, because I've been GOING AROUND THE WHOLE BUILDING RUNNING NORTON!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! *goes insane*
...what with their constant use of the word "secure" Kevin Nealon subliminal-style (hotsexhotsexhotsex).