"Yeah, that was my response when I first heard of this bug/exploit."
Eh? My response was, who cares, no one uses it, but I'll check the top leevl comments to see if there was anything interesting or insightfull. I guess not;)
My first instint after reading/. summary was to go download it. My 2nd was to make sure others can get it from me via gnutella's network. And my 3rd will be to see how it works.
The FBI/Feds/etc would do torture too. Either they don't call it that, or they would outsource to another country. Besides, being baba's girlfriend in pound you in the ass prison should qualify as torture as well. Many cops use that as a "threat of torture".
But I wouldn't doubt that there would be back doors. However, there are plenty of people looking for them, and trying to find ways to take ownership of boxes, that I think MS would not put in a backdoor.
However if you tune the engine for it, and then remove the measures that we have in place to make gas cleaner (like feeding spent fuel back inside to burn more completly, etc) Then this drop in power could be less noticable.
However, you will still have less power per gallon. But it will be a cleaner system, where it gets most of it's power from sun, rather than the ground.
I think now that the iPod is so successful that there is little risk allowing iTunes to work with other players, other than the support issues that the other players just foul up iTunes.
I think the real battle is happening now that MS landed in the field. MS doesn't want to lose, and has all the cash and other products that they want to tie it in with. Even their xbox . . .
This is slashdot, Linux zealotry doesn't get modded down so why even mention it? it is replies to it that lend to being modded down. But lets take this by a point by point basis
Every significant distro has an easy-to-use front end to its package manager. I wonder who actually considers its use to be more difficult than hunting the internet for shareware and crapware until you find the right one.
I would consider it more difficult. Type in "firefox" and you can download the latest firefox in 1 click, do that with yast2 or what ever, you spend time searching, more than on package shows up, and they are old. Then you update it using their own tools and it is still 1.x
Dependency resolution is not an issue and it hasn't been one for a regular user for long time. If you're using stuff outside of the package manager repositories then you know what you're doing and you can live with the consequences. I mean, who compiles software in Windows to install it? Have you had to remove esoteric stuff manually after uninstalling something in Linux? I know I've had to clean more than one Registry entry in my Windows install.
If your using stuff outside their repositories (and what they decide to keep up to date does not make you an advance user. Installing an updated version of your gnutella/IM client or k3b does no constitute an advance user. Most distros throw in so much crap, usually old and never update them. The fact that I have to figure out what RPM's I need to get the RPM I just downloaded to install shows it is an issue.
Most commercial packages run out-of-the box and set themselves up intelligently (read: VmWare, Crossover, Opera
You list 3, that is not most. Sure I can add a few more, but most things. But most of what people are running are not commercial packages. And they are tied very tightly to the distribution. Think any of the many pieces of the GUI. Or someones preferred application. See the above.
User friendly distros already have double-click installation. Ubuntu has GDebi. I'm sure RPM distros have an equivalent.
ha, as if that doesn't break things. If they are double clicking something, then it wasn't included in the repositories. And that can mess things up and you have yest2 or what ever tool screaming at you..tar.gz is used by the 2% of Linux users that want bleeding-edge stuff or want to try what can only be considered "dark magic" by the average user.
lol, and here I thought RPM users was the minority. I'm not bleeding edge, I just want things to work. Wanting things to just work should not be considered bleeding edge or advance. Even if it requires you to download something not provided, or updated by the distro.
An install shiled like thing is needed so that ever distro does need it's own format for every version of OS it packaged.
There shouldn't be 30 different RPM's to chose from when updating something, should be 3, intel based binaries, mac based binaries and source for everything else.
I use linux often, not as much as I use to. It hasn't gotten to the place where it can replace my desktop, but I run it on about 20 different servers at home and work. I want it to get to the point where it can replace my desktop. This is just one of the things I think it has ben needing. A single package for all(most) distros and version. Not one for 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 10, 10.1, 10.2 for RH, Suse, mandrake, etc.
My biggest complaint w/ linux has always been installing things not provided or updated w/ the distro I bought. Configuring apache w/ php, perl, virtual hosts, and setting up a backend data base has alwasy been easier than wrestling with their crap update installers.
Heck try getting a newer version of PHP w/ the option that is normily turned on, but wasn't for your distrio to work right is right up this ally too.
GAH, I guess I ranted a bit to much, and I don't feel like proof reading, sorry about making peoples eyes bleed.
At the most, they find out what that meteaor is made out of, and they plan to use that to speculate what others are made up from.
Not all are the same. They could be from different planets/moons, or even parts (think core vs crust on earth).
Rather than figure out what the one they are testing is made of, we should look into ways to change the orbit/destroy meators regaurdless of their composition.
An early detection system with multiple ways to move it and destroy them.
But Enlightenment, as in the age of enlightenment. A simple summary of what the Enlightenment was: is a period of time from about 1600-1800 where started questioning things arround us, learned to understand them, and made things better.
Unfortunately if you down follow the media/movies/music, you start becoming an outcast by society.
A simple example, see how many of your office biddies talk about sports/tv shows. Heck, if you never used windows or windows software (even mac) you are pretty much an outcast, and have to go through hoops to even pretend to do the same things. (I distribute my resume in PDF to help get around those walls)
They had originally protected citizens from that in the original copyright laws, where if something copyrighted became so popular, where it was a recognized part of society then the copyright owner would no longer own the copyright, and would strictly be public domain.
It also only lasted 14 years, and an additional 14 years if the copyright owner was still alive. And congress was given the authority to extend the years as long as it wasn't forever. Well now it is 95 years. (longer than the average human life)
So, in the end, what is left to do? Fight, or be a peon?
When you fight, you still need to be a part of society, so you can't ignore what the masses do with out being an outcast. In fact, what you are doing wouldn't be illegal if it wasn't for them buying laws to make it so.
So, in the end you need to make sure any company who buys laws at the expense of your rights doesn't see a penny. (*AA, Disney, MS, etc)
I would go as far as distributing DVD's with all the popular music to prevent teens from buying that crap.
Wow, I rambled a lot here didn't I. Hope I didn;t make your eyes bleed!
The case study was to small, only 30 women with only 2 pictures, not only did we not collect data, but with the lack of numbers we creates a very large error of margin.
Example, flip a coin once, and you get heads, your test reveals 100% heads when flipping a coin. Flip it 10 times, you got heads 3 times, so according to this test when flipping a coin you have 30% chance to get heads. Now flip it 100 times. That number will be a lot closer to 50%.
Try 1000 women with 6 pictures each (3 in prime and 3 out of prime) then have 100 different people scoring each card.
All this test does is shows is hey maybe there is something, and let us do a real test.
If only there was a way to send radioactive wastes into the mantle of the earth. But I guess that is just the stuff of books being able to drill past the crust of the earth and send things down.
But think of it, that is the one place where radioactive waste would be good. The more radioactive stuff we put down there, the longer the core stays hot and spinning. So that we can keep this nice protective magnetic field longer.
That is not fact. It is unknow if we are orbiting where we see the sun, where the sun truely is, or something in between.
It's speed is unknown, its fast/instant, but nothing can be faster than C (the speed of light) so it must match that? Or maybe it is a little slower.
We are still trying to figure out gravity and it's effects on light, time, and other objects. It's harder to test than light because you will always have gravity, no matter how small. Can't just set up a spinning mirrior on a remote mountain and beam a light at it.
Now I haven't RTFA yet, but going off just the blurb:
There are liquids you can walk on, liquids that will escape containers by creeping up the sides, and magnetic liquids that can easily show you the shape of magnetic fields.
Funny, how water can be made to do those.
Liquids you can walk on: Plenty of small creatures walk on water as a liquid, and so could a human with the right pair of shoes, or moving fast enough.
liquids that will escape containers by creeping up the sides: Put a straw in a glass of water, and the water will be higher in the straw. Do it with a smaller/thinner tube.
magnetic liquids that can easily show you the shape of magnetic fields: again you can do this with putting things in the water.
I know this is OT, but I am trying to find games me and my friends can play lan together.
Problem is they are not gamers, most of them have computers ~1ghz with graphics cards ~geforce 2-3. So the latest and greates games are pretty much off limits.
Games like diablo 2x was good for most of us. Though limit of 8 players was a damper and we have played that game to much.
Neverwinter nights was a desaster, I don't know how they call it multi-player. NWN2 would not be playable for anyone but me, and I doubt it's multi player is much better.
Sacred was just ok, a little over complex.
WoW would be great and wonderfull if it was a mmorpg.
Guild wars is a horrible multi player, more like a single player game that intertwines with others more and more as you get higher lvl.
Savage is pretty good actually, but some people don't like the losing, or fast paced pvp.
Q3 Team Arena has also been good for most part, almost as good as savage.
Anyone out there know of other multi player games? Ones that can be played in co-opt mode? RPG/action/Fantasy is best. What would be awsome is Dues Ex like game in co-opt mode. (or remember the days od Doom2, Hexen, Heritic that you could play the levels together, or pvp)
Do they even make games you can play in co-opt anymore?
" we can hope they'll make the "right" choice and choose FLOSS"
The only right choice is what works. Choosing an open source solution that doesn't work over a closed one that does work is not the right choice.
Heck, I still run XP as my desktop and linux on my servers. Because for me linux does not work as a desktop. I would love to use an open source desktop regardless of costs as I have paid for several version of redhat from 4.2 to 6.0 and Suse from 6.2 to 10. And none of them worked as a desktop OS for me. However Linux is my first choice as an OS for i86 servers.
Now this postings isn't about me, my ability to use linux, or what ever. Just simply saying the choice of OSS vs closed is not the factor for a good choice. Yes it would be better to chose an open solution but not when it costs performance, stability, or even working at all.
Besides, some companies are not able to open their drivers because they contained code licensed from someone else.
Vegetation does several things. Maybe you don't think it would help enough global, but it will certainly lower the temperature and have less carbon in the local area.
It is renewable energy because it's power comes from the sun. (or the moon) I could have used clean, but some people might think as nuclear as clean.
There is a lot of waste that can be fix and actually have an effect. I lowered my monthly bill $40 a month by simply changing the bulbs in the rooms I use most, and turning off my spare PC unless I actually need it. (before it was just power save mode)
I was thinking of something just to block infrared, so visitable light would remain the same. Think of some treated glass 10,000 miles away. Sure there would be issues, but think of this one as a last resort.(good to start a plan though) I don't think lowering total energy delivered to us by the sun by.00001% would affect plants or animals more than the global warming.
#1 goes with my renewable energy,and using neglier still releases stored energy. Meaning it would still make the planet hotter. Where using coal/oil makes it hotter and because of the carbon/pollution in the air, harder to cool off.
#2. Planning on how it changes is kinda hard to do as I think, as well as this paper, that we passed a tipping point where we coudl end up with some serious changes. Such as the possibility losing every port city in 100 years time, and some others less adverse such as the possibility or having insane amount of bugs because very few birds/bats/fish/frogs live anymore.
The whole global warming IMO is from to much energy being released into our atmosphere. The green house gasses only make it harder to radiate the energy back into space.
Basically, we are using a lot of stored energy and not letting as much energy back out. The base of all energy is heat.
Ways to fix it.
Lots of plants; Stores energy and removes green house gasses from the air. We would need massive amounts of plants to br grown. Such as a garden on top of every building in large cities, lots of parks. And convert deserts into forest.
Move more to renewable energy: Just stopping the use of fossil fuel isn't enough because even nuclear releases stored energy. Although
Stop being so wasteful with energy/electricity/gas: This isn't just using power efficient light bulbs or turning things off when not in use. It also means that things need to be designed to not be power hogs and use to non/almost none when not in use. A phone charger shouldn't feel warm when a phone is not plugged into it.
Put things in orbit to filter out some energy: Basically putting some large mission like object in space to orbit the earth to block/filter some of the light and other energy before it gets to earth. This would be a more extreme measure as it would also limit the amount of renewable energy we have to us. This would also take a good amount of resources, but could drasticly improve the whole earth. Just have an orbit far enough away where you can have a speed that completes it's orbit around earth once a year.
Try 9 years, where my main computer is still using hard drives I bought in 97. 1x 9 gig 10krpm HD for OS 2x 18 gig 10krpm HD in raid0 for the game.
This isn't a computer that just sits there, but gets used daily. Gaming, torrents, ripping movies, developing.
Granted the 70gig deskstar I bough as a storage drive died. (I thought that would be more reliable than then old raid zero drives I was using for storing data)
I have lots of 2-20 gig HD's still in use. (I do own ~20 computers)
Cisco just buys out al lthe companies it can to extend it's portfolio. The PIX, IDS, wireless (both), MARS, etc. Infact even the 6500/7500's.
The only thing they have is 1. You wont get fired for buying Cisco 2. Support 3. They are top notch, maybe not always the best, but they are top notch.
But yea, making people buy the router again when they buy used is scummy. Even if you buyt a PIX-501, ithe software will cost more than the hardware new from cisco at full price.
Then that means both suck ass.
My wife had a number of trojans and virus AVG free didn't detect, but the free scan from trentmicro got them and removed them.
"Yeah, that was my response when I first heard of this bug/exploit."
;)
Eh? My response was, who cares, no one uses it, but I'll check the top leevl comments to see if there was anything interesting or insightfull. I guess not
My first instint after reading /. summary was to go download it.
My 2nd was to make sure others can get it from me via gnutella's network.
And my 3rd will be to see how it works.
The FBI/Feds/etc would do torture too. Either they don't call it that, or they would outsource to another country. Besides, being baba's girlfriend in pound you in the ass prison should qualify as torture as well. Many cops use that as a "threat of torture".
But I wouldn't doubt that there would be back doors. However, there are plenty of people looking for them, and trying to find ways to take ownership of boxes, that I think MS would not put in a backdoor.
Ethanol has much less energy in it.
However if you tune the engine for it, and then remove the measures that we have in place to make gas cleaner (like feeding spent fuel back inside to burn more completly, etc) Then this drop in power could be less noticable.
However, you will still have less power per gallon. But it will be a cleaner system, where it gets most of it's power from sun, rather than the ground.
And here I was going to start uploading video's I created to google . . .
I think now that the iPod is so successful that there is little risk allowing iTunes to work with other players, other than the support issues that the other players just foul up iTunes.
I think the real battle is happening now that MS landed in the field. MS doesn't want to lose, and has all the cash and other products that they want to tie it in with. Even their xbox . . .
This is slashdot, Linux zealotry doesn't get modded down so why even mention it? it is replies to it that lend to being modded down. But lets take this by a point by point basis
.tar.gz is used by the 2% of Linux users that want bleeding-edge stuff or want to try what can only be considered "dark magic" by the average user.
Every significant distro has an easy-to-use front end to its package manager. I wonder who actually considers its use to be more difficult than hunting the internet for shareware and crapware until you find the right one.
I would consider it more difficult. Type in "firefox" and you can download the latest firefox in 1 click, do that with yast2 or what ever, you spend time searching, more than on package shows up, and they are old. Then you update it using their own tools and it is still 1.x
Dependency resolution is not an issue and it hasn't been one for a regular user for long time. If you're using stuff outside of the package manager repositories then you know what you're doing and you can live with the consequences. I mean, who compiles software in Windows to install it? Have you had to remove esoteric stuff manually after uninstalling something in Linux? I know I've had to clean more than one Registry entry in my Windows install.
If your using stuff outside their repositories (and what they decide to keep up to date does not make you an advance user. Installing an updated version of your gnutella/IM client or k3b does no constitute an advance user. Most distros throw in so much crap, usually old and never update them. The fact that I have to figure out what RPM's I need to get the RPM I just downloaded to install shows it is an issue.
Most commercial packages run out-of-the box and set themselves up intelligently (read: VmWare, Crossover, Opera
You list 3, that is not most. Sure I can add a few more, but most things. But most of what people are running are not commercial packages. And they are tied very tightly to the distribution. Think any of the many pieces of the GUI. Or someones preferred application. See the above.
User friendly distros already have double-click installation. Ubuntu has GDebi. I'm sure RPM distros have an equivalent.
ha, as if that doesn't break things. If they are double clicking something, then it wasn't included in the repositories. And that can mess things up and you have yest2 or what ever tool screaming at you.
lol, and here I thought RPM users was the minority. I'm not bleeding edge, I just want things to work. Wanting things to just work should not be considered bleeding edge or advance. Even if it requires you to download something not provided, or updated by the distro.
An install shiled like thing is needed so that ever distro does need it's own format for every version of OS it packaged.
There shouldn't be 30 different RPM's to chose from when updating something, should be 3, intel based binaries, mac based binaries and source for everything else.
I use linux often, not as much as I use to. It hasn't gotten to the place where it can replace my desktop, but I run it on about 20 different servers at home and work. I want it to get to the point where it can replace my desktop. This is just one of the things I think it has ben needing.
A single package for all(most) distros and version. Not one for 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 10, 10.1, 10.2 for RH, Suse, mandrake, etc.
My biggest complaint w/ linux has always been installing things not provided or updated w/ the distro I bought. Configuring apache w/ php, perl, virtual hosts, and setting up a backend data base has alwasy been easier than wrestling with their crap update installers.
Heck try getting a newer version of PHP w/ the option that is normily turned on, but wasn't for your distrio to work right is right up this ally too.
GAH, I guess I ranted a bit to much, and I don't feel like proof reading, sorry about making peoples eyes bleed.
This is a waist of time and resources.
At the most, they find out what that meteaor is made out of, and they plan to use that to speculate what others are made up from.
Not all are the same. They could be from different planets/moons, or even parts (think core vs crust on earth).
Rather than figure out what the one they are testing is made of, we should look into ways to change the orbit/destroy meators regaurdless of their composition.
An early detection system with multiple ways to move it and destroy them.
Yes yes, feeding a troll and all.
But Enlightenment, as in the age of enlightenment. A simple summary of what the Enlightenment was: is a period of time from about 1600-1800 where started questioning things arround us, learned to understand them, and made things better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
Unfortunately if you down follow the media/movies/music, you start becoming an outcast by society.
A simple example, see how many of your office biddies talk about sports/tv shows. Heck, if you never used windows or windows software (even mac) you are pretty much an outcast, and have to go through hoops to even pretend to do the same things. (I distribute my resume in PDF to help get around those walls)
They had originally protected citizens from that in the original copyright laws, where if something copyrighted became so popular, where it was a recognized part of society then the copyright owner would no longer own the copyright, and would strictly be public domain.
It also only lasted 14 years, and an additional 14 years if the copyright owner was still alive. And congress was given the authority to extend the years as long as it wasn't forever. Well now it is 95 years. (longer than the average human life)
So, in the end, what is left to do? Fight, or be a peon?
When you fight, you still need to be a part of society, so you can't ignore what the masses do with out being an outcast. In fact, what you are doing wouldn't be illegal if it wasn't for them buying laws to make it so.
So, in the end you need to make sure any company who buys laws at the expense of your rights doesn't see a penny. (*AA, Disney, MS, etc)
I would go as far as distributing DVD's with all the popular music to prevent teens from buying that crap.
Wow, I rambled a lot here didn't I. Hope I didn;t make your eyes bleed!
-Goof!
The case study was to small, only 30 women with only 2 pictures, not only did we not collect data, but with the lack of numbers we creates a very large error of margin.
Example, flip a coin once, and you get heads, your test reveals 100% heads when flipping a coin. Flip it 10 times, you got heads 3 times, so according to this test when flipping a coin you have 30% chance to get heads. Now flip it 100 times. That number will be a lot closer to 50%.
Try 1000 women with 6 pictures each (3 in prime and 3 out of prime) then have 100 different people scoring each card.
All this test does is shows is hey maybe there is something, and let us do a real test.
If only there was a way to send radioactive wastes into the mantle of the earth. But I guess that is just the stuff of books being able to drill past the crust of the earth and send things down.
But think of it, that is the one place where radioactive waste would be good. The more radioactive stuff we put down there, the longer the core stays hot and spinning. So that we can keep this nice protective magnetic field longer.
Anyways, I'll stop thinking of unobtainium now
I thought blue ment it was moving toward us, and red was away.
See the wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift
So how reliable is using blue shift and red shift to determine both age of the star, and weither it is moving towards us or away.
So while blue star clusters could be younger, couldn't it just an older start that is moving toward us?
That is not fact. It is unknow if we are orbiting where we see the sun, where the sun truely is, or something in between.
It's speed is unknown, its fast/instant, but nothing can be faster than C (the speed of light) so it must match that? Or maybe it is a little slower.
We are still trying to figure out gravity and it's effects on light, time, and other objects. It's harder to test than light because you will always have gravity, no matter how small. Can't just set up a spinning mirrior on a remote mountain and beam a light at it.
There are liquids you can walk on, liquids that will escape containers by creeping up the sides, and magnetic liquids that can easily show you the shape of magnetic fields.
Funny, how water can be made to do those.
Problem is they are not gamers, most of them have computers ~1ghz with graphics cards ~geforce 2-3. So the latest and greates games are pretty much off limits.
Anyone out there know of other multi player games? Ones that can be played in co-opt mode? RPG/action/Fantasy is best. What would be awsome is Dues Ex like game in co-opt mode. (or remember the days od Doom2, Hexen, Heritic that you could play the levels together, or pvp)
Do they even make games you can play in co-opt anymore?
It's because
1. They don't need 6 different passwords and logins
2. and they don't have to change it every 45 days.
" we can hope they'll make the "right" choice and choose FLOSS"
The only right choice is what works. Choosing an open source solution that doesn't work over a closed one that does work is not the right choice.
Heck, I still run XP as my desktop and linux on my servers. Because for me linux does not work as a desktop. I would love to use an open source desktop regardless of costs as I have paid for several version of redhat from 4.2 to 6.0 and Suse from 6.2 to 10. And none of them worked as a desktop OS for me. However Linux is my first choice as an OS for i86 servers.
Now this postings isn't about me, my ability to use linux, or what ever. Just simply saying the choice of OSS vs closed is not the factor for a good choice. Yes it would be better to chose an open solution but not when it costs performance, stability, or even working at all.
Besides, some companies are not able to open their drivers because they contained code licensed from someone else.
Vegetation does several things. Maybe you don't think it would help enough global, but it will certainly lower the temperature and have less carbon in the local area.
.00001% would affect plants or animals more than the global warming.
It is renewable energy because it's power comes from the sun. (or the moon) I could have used clean, but some people might think as nuclear as clean.
There is a lot of waste that can be fix and actually have an effect. I lowered my monthly bill $40 a month by simply changing the bulbs in the rooms I use most, and turning off my spare PC unless I actually need it. (before it was just power save mode)
I was thinking of something just to block infrared, so visitable light would remain the same. Think of some treated glass 10,000 miles away. Sure there would be issues, but think of this one as a last resort.(good to start a plan though) I don't think lowering total energy delivered to us by the sun by
#1 goes with my renewable energy,and using neglier still releases stored energy. Meaning it would still make the planet hotter. Where using coal/oil makes it hotter and because of the carbon/pollution in the air, harder to cool off.
#2. Planning on how it changes is kinda hard to do as I think, as well as this paper, that we passed a tipping point where we coudl end up with some serious changes. Such as the possibility losing every port city in 100 years time, and some others less adverse such as the possibility or having insane amount of bugs because very few birds/bats/fish/frogs live anymore.
The whole global warming IMO is from to much energy being released into our atmosphere. The green house gasses only make it harder to radiate the energy back into space.
Basically, we are using a lot of stored energy and not letting as much energy back out. The base of all energy is heat.
Ways to fix it.
Lots of plants; Stores energy and removes green house gasses from the air. We would need massive amounts of plants to br grown. Such as a garden on top of every building in large cities, lots of parks. And convert deserts into forest.
Move more to renewable energy: Just stopping the use of fossil fuel isn't enough because even nuclear releases stored energy. Although
Stop being so wasteful with energy/electricity/gas: This isn't just using power efficient light bulbs or turning things off when not in use. It also means that things need to be designed to not be power hogs and use to non/almost none when not in use. A phone charger shouldn't feel warm when a phone is not plugged into it.
Put things in orbit to filter out some energy: Basically putting some large mission like object in space to orbit the earth to block/filter some of the light and other energy before it gets to earth. This would be a more extreme measure as it would also limit the amount of renewable energy we have to us. This would also take a good amount of resources, but could drasticly improve the whole earth. Just have an orbit far enough away where you can have a speed that completes it's orbit around earth once a year.
3-4 years?
Try 9 years, where my main computer is still using hard drives I bought in 97.
1x 9 gig 10krpm HD for OS
2x 18 gig 10krpm HD in raid0 for the game.
This isn't a computer that just sits there, but gets used daily. Gaming, torrents, ripping movies, developing.
Granted the 70gig deskstar I bough as a storage drive died. (I thought that would be more reliable than then old raid zero drives I was using for storing data)
I have lots of 2-20 gig HD's still in use. (I do own ~20 computers)
Someone please mod the above up.
Because quite often cops act as thugs to conjure up the information they need/want.
Technicality suck, but somethings it is the only thing an inocent man has to protrect himself.
Yes but, it started out as people being anonymous. Well as anonymous as one can be back then.
Cisco just buys out al lthe companies it can to extend it's portfolio. The PIX, IDS, wireless (both), MARS, etc. Infact even the 6500/7500's.
The only thing they have is
1. You wont get fired for buying Cisco
2. Support
3. They are top notch, maybe not always the best, but they are top notch.
But yea, making people buy the router again when they buy used is scummy. Even if you buyt a PIX-501, ithe software will cost more than the hardware new from cisco at full price.