ERP, CRM, and HR application suites such as PeopleSoft, Oracle, SAP, and JD Edwards sell are one of the major drivers of those "high-end" features you so casually handwave away.
I never said your needs or anyone else's needs didn't exist, only that they don't exist to the exclusion of everything else.
Things like the supply chain management system for GM, account management for Bank of America, or even the student record system for UCB have very little tolerance for downtime or record corruption.
One of the very points I was making was that while MySQL may not have all the high-end features, it's stable. You will find that reports of data corruption or downtime are extremely rare for MySQL.
Go ahead and try implementing a major business application for a global 1000 company on MySQL, but please let us know who was stupid enough to do this so we can short their stock.
Um. Okay. How about NASA? Or Yahoo! Finance? Or the U.S. Census Bureau? If you don't think those are "good enough" then I have dozens more I can keep posting. Lots of companies use MySQL, and Slashdot certainly shows that MySQL can keep up with the "Slashdot effect" (since Slashdot itself is using MySQL).
Before you go spouting off about how MySQL is just as good as Oracle or DB2 next time please learn something about transaction processing and real back-end enterprise applications.
Well, MySQL is a triple-threat -- simplicity, stability, speed. It's easier than Oracle, it "just works" and keeps working, and it returns results just as fast as Oracle does, even under heavy load. We recently had MySQL processing 169 queries per second (Sun E450, running Apache, MySQL, and PHP) during our peak time, and while the site was slower than off-peak times, it was still responsive and enjoyable to use. Some people just don't need the high-end features -- or more to the point, for some people, the "high-end" features are stability & speed.
And many companies are now claiming anything you work on, even outside of work, to be their IP (which is on somewhat shaky grounds)...
Please note that in California, these kinds of conditions are not legal. If you & your employer are in California and you are asked to sign something that gives a company control of your non-work-related code, you could:
Chuckle to yourself while you sign it, and then ignore it and do what you want on your own time anyway, or...
Tell them it's not legal, and strike it from the contract.
USA: But enough bickering about details... now, see, the house is a mess, door broken, need to be fixed, costs money... errr... guys, let's collect some dough, don't be stingy here, help the poor people out! Seems like I forgot my checkbook, but, hey, that's what friends are for right?
I'm willing to take all your criticism of the country I live in, except this one. The USA did rush in without enough proof, and has pretty much now proved that WMD really were not actively being worked on in Iraq. But asking the world to foot the bill? No. We've had our Congress actually pass a resolution denying other countries participation in the rebuilding. We've had some of the people in charge of rebuilding bluntly state that countries like Germany are not welcome to participate. As an American who had to watch my country & the UK go it alone, I endorse the policy makers who are trying to exclude the rest of the world from participating. I don't want other countries to help with rebuilding, I don't want my politicians to relent and accept help, and I hope I have to endure years of grumbling from the international community about how the USA handed all the rebuilding contracts to US companies.
The real question (that's actually already, kinda, been asked) is why do the machines keep the people around?
OK. I'll throw out another theory I have, but this one is based only upon a kiss, and a single comment from the Architect. He notes that this Neo, unlike his predecessors, experienced something "specific" (love for Trinity) when asked to choose between the two doors. My suggestion is that perhaps the Architect is the only real human in the entire story, driving a world of AI, pushing each program closer and closer to true human emotion. Which brings me to the kiss, when Neo is pressed into kissing Miss Latex, and she insists that he kiss her as he does Trinity. If Miss Latex is also a human in this world, she may have been testing Neo, to see if he kissed like every other bit of AI, or if his kiss finally had some human passion behind it. Neo may be the evolution of AI to the point of humanity, and Neo may be the first program to become human.
And that, of course, would mean that humans have been pulling the strings all along -- manufacturing entire worlds, creating programs that could create subprograms, reproducing every nuance of Earth for these bits of code to evolve within. It would make for a fair twist. But it doesn't feel as plausible.
It would be awful hard to "erase" Zion and rebuild, or the people are convinced it is their duty, or something along those lines.
You don't have to convince anyone of anything -- to refer to the first movie, it's like a "glitch" in the system -- they simply reprogram reality, and everyone is just "in" the new reality. No one goes to 250,000 people and convinces them to be reset -- those are humans, dumbly accepting whatever is programmed into their heads. They just get new programming and continue on. And they don't really have to "rebuild" Zion, instead Zion just resets to its default state, and humans discover/build it out all over again, never knowing what went before, because the data -- their memories -- are simply wiped clean or altered. The 20th century begins all over again, and Zion "waits" to be used for the "first" time.
You would have to free a lot of people from the matrix to go from 12 to 250,000 in just 100 years
No, in the first movie they made it clear that those people are not all escaped from the Matrix. They are the last remaining free humans -- humans without jacks, humans who fled en masse from the machines before ever being plugged into the Matrix. And they've fled, and refled, and rerefled, as the system resets every 100 or 200 years.
I just got back from a midnight showing, and I have to ask this. It may give things away. This is your warning! Don't read this! I am even stating guesses as to what the third movie is about, which may pre-spoil even that.
First question: how did Neo stop the Sentinels that came at him in the real world? He's a programmer, a normal human who has the ability to fly or move quickly only in the Matrix, where he can see everything as code. In the real world, he's pretty much a real wimp. Right? Is the movie going all magical on us? I don't think so.
More questions: how is it that the Architect said they had destroyed Zion many times? That doesn't match up with the first Matrix movie, where the history of Zion doesn't talk at all about being wiped out and rebuilding multiple times. What happened to all the people who died in Zion the first few times? Shouldn't the rebuilders have seen archaeology? Corpses? Something to hint that Zion existed for longer than 100 years? They can't "reset" Zion and start from scratch, it's the real world. You wipe out 250,000 people, they can't just grow back. And if others escaped from the Matrix and rebuilt Zion, why isn't that part of the history lesson we get in the Matrix part 1?
Final question: if the Architect is not lying when he says that computers have ruled for far longer than 100 years, then how come Zion doesn't reflect this? How come every Zion leader puts Zion's inception (or at least, the rule of the machines) at 100 years? How did they lose or "forget" the real history?
One more spoiler alert. I'm trying to provoke discussion, because I don't know if what I'm about to suggest is right, but it may give stuff away. Stop reading if you haven't seen it!
The answer to all these questions is another question: how do you handle the one-tenth of one percent of humans who don't "buy" the Matrix? How do you keep them from unplugging everyone and everything? You give that.1% something to do. You create a second Matrix for them to "escape" to. You keep them busy freeing people from one Matrix to another. When Zion falls, you reset and wait for the.1% to need a distraction again. You let the war play out with Neo 1, Neo 2, Neo 3, Neo 4, Neo 5, and Neo 6. Over and over again. So that the computers have now ruled hundreds of years. So that when Neo finally understands that the "real" world is just as unreal as the Matrix, he is able to stop the Sentinels with a wave of his hand.
What's the truth? I fear I have this all wrong, but it sure explains damn near everything.
Distributing your *own* software under the GPL does not affect your copyright ownership rights to it. SCO is claiming the code is copyrighted by them. This in fact would mean they are the only entity that can distribute it, under the GPL or any other license.
Huh? The GPL explicitly allows for others to distribute it, so if they put it under GPL, they are not the "only entity that can distribute it."
Re:JUST a Geek? Try Ubergeek.
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What more can you ask for? Seems to me that Wil Wheaton has become the shining star of Geek Culture, the Ubergeek. He's both articulate and telegenic, and has a deep understanding of technology's role in society. Should Wil Wheaton decide to run for office, I'd vote for him in a minute.
That's fine. My point stands, and I refer you back to my comments about all the religious leaders that spent a day or two on CNN during the last "maybe there is life outside of Earth" brouhaha. "Churches" will not do much soul-searching over this. Their concensus will be a collective "big whoop."
Am I wrong about this? It's certainly possible. But if I'm betting, I'm certainly not putting my cash on your opinion. The "church" has survived the surprise that the world is not flat, it has survived the realization that the Sun does not revolve around the Earth, and it will survive this without much fanfare.
My local church here in Silicon Valley is attended by military people from Moffet base, scientists from NASA, and a fair sampling of high-tech employees from local companies. We recently had a Q & A Sunday, where we spent the sermon time talking with rocket scientists. The question of ET inevitably arose, and most of them agreed that life on some other planet is pretty much guaranteed, even if that life is incredibly simple. Nobody ran for the doors, no one threw up their arms and shouted "I must rethink my faith!"
Make no mistake, discovery of intelligent alien life would shake the churches views almost to their very core, like no other scientific discovery in history.
I don't know about that. I'm a Christian, and it isn't shaking me to the core. I'm just not uptight about shit like that. Of course, most Christians are uptight and would scold me for my use of the word shit, so perhaps I'm not representative. But I'd like to think that the church would shrug and continue onward.
(In fact, there is some precedent for this -- about 2 years ago there was a dust-up about life on another planet, and CNN got some religious leaders to talk about it -- and mostly, they just said "wonders of God, cool if it's true" and left it at that. So I suspect that the church will not do a lot of soul-searching over this, even if it's internally inconsistent.)
(Oh, and more to the immediate future: whatever life we do find on Mars or Io, and I believe we will find life, it isn't going to be a bunch of big-brained bipeds. Christ died not for the sins of fish, and the church doesn't get all freaked about because fish exist. So if Christ didn't die for the sins of micro-life-form-number-62447, well, the church ain't gonna care. The big questions come only when aliens land on Earth and engage us in dialogue. Probably a ways off.)
Now, this guy was deceived obviously, but it's in the agreement that the customer MUST cancel the account or they will be billed.
Ah. You didn't read the article. That explains your comments. You see, he was given the CD without requesting it, and he never used it nor did he read or hear about this "agreement" that you mention -- from what I read in the article, the guy didn't even click OK to an EULA. Nothing. He agreed to nothing. He installed nothing. Yet he was still charged. It's akin to me billing you $200 right now, as a fee for reading my post. My post didn't say that would happen, and I never got your agreement beforehand. But I've made up an agreement that you haven't seen or signed, and I'm binding you to it. Bah. That's garbage. Any judge in any US court would rule against me and possibly penalize me financially just for trying it.
Why? Because you told a story about how you didn't scam the customers? That doesn't change the fact that other employees did scam the customers. And it appears that they had pressure to do so. This lawsuit not only sounds like it will work, but it sounds like a slam-dunk. The activity at Best Buy appears to be wholly illegal, even if you didn't participate in it.
Are we going to jail all the Google employees? What these kids did is write a search engine that just happened to show all kinds of files. If that is "pretty clearly illegal" then we should be arresting a lot of people.
I was reading Wired, and they had a big spread on Mosaic, including screenshots of the browser in action. When I saw it, I immediately installed Mosaic and hunted down every Web site I could. I wish I could remember what issue of Wired featured a multi-page layout of Mosaic screenshots and text. Does anyone else know? I'd guess it was from the 2.xx series, maybe 3.xx.
...and it works like this: speak up freely anytime a new decision bothers you. After you've made your case, if things don't change, reconsider your position. If you're still firm, revisit the issue later, and make a better case. If things don't change, grit your teeth and build to spec.
I figure this gives the team some checks & balances where input can come from both sides, and both sides have a chance to reconsider and restate the issues if need be. But it doesn't drag things out too much -- after two discussions, we're moving on, regardless of the happy-level. The major challenge here has been upper management, only because they haven't done the math. They always want to blame the developer or contractor, and insist that if management made a bad decision, it was up to the people working on the project to raise a stink, multiple times if need be. This is of course untenable, because it implies that a project could drag out indefinitely, as people revisit, re-revisit, and re-re-revisit an issue. I find my objection/revisit rule rule to be good, but it has to be backed by something only I am willing to do right now: take the blame when I make a crappy decision and refuse to listen to input.
So, before agreeing to something I haven't even seen, I went and checked it out. HOLY JESUS -- The thing had to have been about 300 pages long. Besides being soaked in legal double talk, the thing was straight up unreadable in size. This is not service agreement, it's a freaking tome! Needless to say, while I tried to read it, it was all too much and I just agreed to it in the end.
They changed the agreement quite a while ago, and like you I freaked out when I read it. Unlike you, I have left the "agree" link unclicked for months, while I slowly move my domains to other registrars. There are better (or equal) companies, why not move to them?
PHP wouldn't scale to a large project (taking 4-5 seconds to load and generate a page on a hefty server, the codebase was only about a meg and a half of PHP)
I agree with Tilde, antis0c, and jasondlee, who all responded to your post. I think you're trolling, I think you really didn't have the problems you said you did with PHP, and I think that even if you did have those problems, I have an extrememly hard time believing it's PHP's fault. In addition to the other people who responded with large sites running large codebases very quickly, at SST we have about 5 megs of code, and it's pretty responsive even with 60 simultaneous users. We have a couple spots that can take a few seconds to display, but that's usually from doing 500 recursive queries (cascading down an org chart, for example). Mostly we display pages in under 1 second.
They swim a long distance. Anton pulls up in the water. Sensing his brother is no longer beside him, Jerome also pulls up. They tread water several yards apart.
ANTON: "How are you doing this, Vincent? How have you done any of this?"
JEROME: "Now is your chance to find out."
Jerome swims away a second time. Anton follows once again.
Eventually they stop and tread water again. The ocean is choppier now. The view of the lights on the shore is obscured by the peaks of the waves.
ANTON: "Vincent, where's the shore? We're too far out. We have to go back!"
JEROME: "Too late for that. We're closer to the other side."
ANTON: "What other side? How far do you want to go?! Do you want to drown us both? How are we going to get back?!"
JEROME: "You wanted to know how I did it. That's how I did it, Anton. I never saved anything for the swim back." .
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I never said your needs or anyone else's needs didn't exist, only that they don't exist to the exclusion of everything else.
One of the very points I was making was that while MySQL may not have all the high-end features, it's stable. You will find that reports of data corruption or downtime are extremely rare for MySQL.
Um. Okay. How about NASA? Or Yahoo! Finance? Or the U.S. Census Bureau? If you don't think those are "good enough" then I have dozens more I can keep posting. Lots of companies use MySQL, and Slashdot certainly shows that MySQL can keep up with the "Slashdot effect" (since Slashdot itself is using MySQL).
Again, I never said this.
Well, MySQL is a triple-threat -- simplicity, stability, speed. It's easier than Oracle, it "just works" and keeps working, and it returns results just as fast as Oracle does, even under heavy load. We recently had MySQL processing 169 queries per second (Sun E450, running Apache, MySQL, and PHP) during our peak time, and while the site was slower than off-peak times, it was still responsive and enjoyable to use. Some people just don't need the high-end features -- or more to the point, for some people, the "high-end" features are stability & speed.
Please note that in California, these kinds of conditions are not legal. If you & your employer are in California and you are asked to sign something that gives a company control of your non-work-related code, you could:
I'm willing to take all your criticism of the country I live in, except this one. The USA did rush in without enough proof, and has pretty much now proved that WMD really were not actively being worked on in Iraq. But asking the world to foot the bill? No. We've had our Congress actually pass a resolution denying other countries participation in the rebuilding. We've had some of the people in charge of rebuilding bluntly state that countries like Germany are not welcome to participate. As an American who had to watch my country & the UK go it alone, I endorse the policy makers who are trying to exclude the rest of the world from participating. I don't want other countries to help with rebuilding, I don't want my politicians to relent and accept help, and I hope I have to endure years of grumbling from the international community about how the USA handed all the rebuilding contracts to US companies.
Well, apparently for you, anyway. :)
OK. I'll throw out another theory I have, but this one is based only upon a kiss, and a single comment from the Architect. He notes that this Neo, unlike his predecessors, experienced something "specific" (love for Trinity) when asked to choose between the two doors. My suggestion is that perhaps the Architect is the only real human in the entire story, driving a world of AI, pushing each program closer and closer to true human emotion. Which brings me to the kiss, when Neo is pressed into kissing Miss Latex, and she insists that he kiss her as he does Trinity. If Miss Latex is also a human in this world, she may have been testing Neo, to see if he kissed like every other bit of AI, or if his kiss finally had some human passion behind it. Neo may be the evolution of AI to the point of humanity, and Neo may be the first program to become human.
And that, of course, would mean that humans have been pulling the strings all along -- manufacturing entire worlds, creating programs that could create subprograms, reproducing every nuance of Earth for these bits of code to evolve within. It would make for a fair twist. But it doesn't feel as plausible.
You don't have to convince anyone of anything -- to refer to the first movie, it's like a "glitch" in the system -- they simply reprogram reality, and everyone is just "in" the new reality. No one goes to 250,000 people and convinces them to be reset -- those are humans, dumbly accepting whatever is programmed into their heads. They just get new programming and continue on. And they don't really have to "rebuild" Zion, instead Zion just resets to its default state, and humans discover/build it out all over again, never knowing what went before, because the data -- their memories -- are simply wiped clean or altered. The 20th century begins all over again, and Zion "waits" to be used for the "first" time.
No, in the first movie they made it clear that those people are not all escaped from the Matrix. They are the last remaining free humans -- humans without jacks, humans who fled en masse from the machines before ever being plugged into the Matrix. And they've fled, and refled, and rerefled, as the system resets every 100 or 200 years.
I just got back from a midnight showing, and I have to ask this. It may give things away. This is your warning! Don't read this! I am even stating guesses as to what the third movie is about, which may pre-spoil even that.
First question: how did Neo stop the Sentinels that came at him in the real world? He's a programmer, a normal human who has the ability to fly or move quickly only in the Matrix, where he can see everything as code. In the real world, he's pretty much a real wimp. Right? Is the movie going all magical on us? I don't think so.
More questions: how is it that the Architect said they had destroyed Zion many times? That doesn't match up with the first Matrix movie, where the history of Zion doesn't talk at all about being wiped out and rebuilding multiple times. What happened to all the people who died in Zion the first few times? Shouldn't the rebuilders have seen archaeology? Corpses? Something to hint that Zion existed for longer than 100 years? They can't "reset" Zion and start from scratch, it's the real world. You wipe out 250,000 people, they can't just grow back. And if others escaped from the Matrix and rebuilt Zion, why isn't that part of the history lesson we get in the Matrix part 1?
Final question: if the Architect is not lying when he says that computers have ruled for far longer than 100 years, then how come Zion doesn't reflect this? How come every Zion leader puts Zion's inception (or at least, the rule of the machines) at 100 years? How did they lose or "forget" the real history?
One more spoiler alert. I'm trying to provoke discussion, because I don't know if what I'm about to suggest is right, but it may give stuff away. Stop reading if you haven't seen it!
The answer to all these questions is another question: how do you handle the one-tenth of one percent of humans who don't "buy" the Matrix? How do you keep them from unplugging everyone and everything? You give that .1% something to do. You create a second Matrix for them to "escape" to. You keep them busy freeing people from one Matrix to another. When Zion falls, you reset and wait for the .1% to need a distraction again. You let the war play out with Neo 1, Neo 2, Neo 3, Neo 4, Neo 5, and Neo 6. Over and over again. So that the computers have now ruled hundreds of years. So that when Neo finally understands that the "real" world is just as unreal as the Matrix, he is able to stop the Sentinels with a wave of his hand.
What's the truth? I fear I have this all wrong, but it sure explains damn near everything.
This is hilarious. Thank you Slashdot. I'm going to clean the root beer off my screen now.
Huh? The GPL explicitly allows for others to distribute it, so if they put it under GPL, they are not the "only entity that can distribute it."
I'd turn gay and marry him.
That's fine. My point stands, and I refer you back to my comments about all the religious leaders that spent a day or two on CNN during the last "maybe there is life outside of Earth" brouhaha. "Churches" will not do much soul-searching over this. Their concensus will be a collective "big whoop."
Am I wrong about this? It's certainly possible. But if I'm betting, I'm certainly not putting my cash on your opinion. The "church" has survived the surprise that the world is not flat, it has survived the realization that the Sun does not revolve around the Earth, and it will survive this without much fanfare.
My local church here in Silicon Valley is attended by military people from Moffet base, scientists from NASA, and a fair sampling of high-tech employees from local companies. We recently had a Q & A Sunday, where we spent the sermon time talking with rocket scientists. The question of ET inevitably arose, and most of them agreed that life on some other planet is pretty much guaranteed, even if that life is incredibly simple. Nobody ran for the doors, no one threw up their arms and shouted "I must rethink my faith!"
I don't know about that. I'm a Christian, and it isn't shaking me to the core. I'm just not uptight about shit like that. Of course, most Christians are uptight and would scold me for my use of the word shit, so perhaps I'm not representative. But I'd like to think that the church would shrug and continue onward.
(In fact, there is some precedent for this -- about 2 years ago there was a dust-up about life on another planet, and CNN got some religious leaders to talk about it -- and mostly, they just said "wonders of God, cool if it's true" and left it at that. So I suspect that the church will not do a lot of soul-searching over this, even if it's internally inconsistent.)
(Oh, and more to the immediate future: whatever life we do find on Mars or Io, and I believe we will find life, it isn't going to be a bunch of big-brained bipeds. Christ died not for the sins of fish, and the church doesn't get all freaked about because fish exist. So if Christ didn't die for the sins of micro-life-form-number-62447, well, the church ain't gonna care. The big questions come only when aliens land on Earth and engage us in dialogue. Probably a ways off.)
Ah. You didn't read the article. That explains your comments. You see, he was given the CD without requesting it, and he never used it nor did he read or hear about this "agreement" that you mention -- from what I read in the article, the guy didn't even click OK to an EULA. Nothing. He agreed to nothing. He installed nothing. Yet he was still charged. It's akin to me billing you $200 right now, as a fee for reading my post. My post didn't say that would happen, and I never got your agreement beforehand. But I've made up an agreement that you haven't seen or signed, and I'm binding you to it. Bah. That's garbage. Any judge in any US court would rule against me and possibly penalize me financially just for trying it.
Why? Because you told a story about how you didn't scam the customers? That doesn't change the fact that other employees did scam the customers. And it appears that they had pressure to do so. This lawsuit not only sounds like it will work, but it sounds like a slam-dunk. The activity at Best Buy appears to be wholly illegal, even if you didn't participate in it.
I thought it was "GNUs for HURDs."
Are we going to jail all the Google employees? What these kids did is write a search engine that just happened to show all kinds of files. If that is "pretty clearly illegal" then we should be arresting a lot of people.
Livin' La Vida Loca? In a gadda da vita? WTF does it mean?
I was reading Wired, and they had a big spread on Mosaic, including screenshots of the browser in action. When I saw it, I immediately installed Mosaic and hunted down every Web site I could. I wish I could remember what issue of Wired featured a multi-page layout of Mosaic screenshots and text. Does anyone else know? I'd guess it was from the 2.xx series, maybe 3.xx.
I don't know what's worse: that the super-DMCA will make it illegal to have such material, or that you had a Britney song in the first place.
...and it works like this: speak up freely anytime a new decision bothers you. After you've made your case, if things don't change, reconsider your position. If you're still firm, revisit the issue later, and make a better case. If things don't change, grit your teeth and build to spec.
I figure this gives the team some checks & balances where input can come from both sides, and both sides have a chance to reconsider and restate the issues if need be. But it doesn't drag things out too much -- after two discussions, we're moving on, regardless of the happy-level. The major challenge here has been upper management, only because they haven't done the math. They always want to blame the developer or contractor, and insist that if management made a bad decision, it was up to the people working on the project to raise a stink, multiple times if need be. This is of course untenable, because it implies that a project could drag out indefinitely, as people revisit, re-revisit, and re-re-revisit an issue. I find my objection/revisit rule rule to be good, but it has to be backed by something only I am willing to do right now: take the blame when I make a crappy decision and refuse to listen to input.
They changed the agreement quite a while ago, and like you I freaked out when I read it. Unlike you, I have left the "agree" link unclicked for months, while I slowly move my domains to other registrars. There are better (or equal) companies, why not move to them?
I agree with Tilde, antis0c, and jasondlee, who all responded to your post. I think you're trolling, I think you really didn't have the problems you said you did with PHP, and I think that even if you did have those problems, I have an extrememly hard time believing it's PHP's fault. In addition to the other people who responded with large sites running large codebases very quickly, at SST we have about 5 megs of code, and it's pretty responsive even with 60 simultaneous users. We have a couple spots that can take a few seconds to display, but that's usually from doing 500 recursive queries (cascading down an org chart, for example). Mostly we display pages in under 1 second.
They swim a long distance. Anton pulls up in the water. Sensing his brother is no longer beside him, Jerome also pulls up. They tread water several yards apart.
ANTON: "How are you doing this, Vincent? How have you done any of this?"
JEROME: "Now is your chance to find out."
Jerome swims away a second time. Anton follows once again.
Eventually they stop and tread water again. The ocean is choppier now. The view of the lights on the shore is obscured by the peaks of the waves.
ANTON: "Vincent, where's the shore? We're too far out. We have to go back!"
JEROME: "Too late for that. We're closer to the other side."
ANTON: "What other side? How far do you want to go?! Do you want to drown us both? How are we going to get back?!"
JEROME: "You wanted to know how I did it. That's how I did it, Anton. I never saved anything for the swim back."
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Yeah. Once a decade.