There's also MacSoft but I don't see too many ports coming from them.
Many of the A+ titles make it to the Mac at least.
How many Quake3 engine games have there been? Wolf3d, MOH, SOFII, STV:EF, JKII, etc. Afaik all of these titles have been ported and are OGL since they're based on the Q3 engine.
Just wait until the Doom 3 engine is done, I'm sure it will find its way into just as many if not more games, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if those find their way to the Mac or Linux (if anyone other than LGP can step forward and put some cash down on some decent ports).
I don't recall them giving up due to legal expenses. Wasn't Apple a larger company at the time? The mac was already established and Microsoft was just moving into having their GUI "OS" (read: shell on top of DOS, with program groups and icons which didn't really relate to filesystem layout).
I'm sure there was another reason.
That aside, it really bothers me that people seem to think that Apple had few or no improvements over the Xerox PARC GUI and that Apple is just as bad as MS, etc. Apple really did come up with some very important innovations over the PARC GUI. Many of the things we take for granted today in both Windows and Mac OS were ideas that originated at Apple. For more info check out this link:
"n this case, exactly how many thousand of these Qt/GTK apps are useful, unique, and stable?"
Really, the same could be said of windows apps (or any other platform).. Exactly how many of them are useful, uniqe, and stable? Not nearly as many as you think.
The truth is most (most, not all) platforms have at least a few apps to fill every niche. And in most cases there's one (or a few) really good ones and the rest are pretty mediocre.
Um, dude, did you miss the cluetrain today? Or did you simply not follow the link?
They're quoting the price of a 12" PowerBook and calling it an "ibook". The actual iBook costs far less, starting at $999, and you can probably get it for less refurbed.
While this machine may be tempting, imagine trying to buy replacement batteries for it down the road, or getting it repaired when it breaks. Lindows has a non-existent track record for customer service for hardware.
Admittedly your comment is a troll. I use Mac OS X, and it certainly does have bugs, but apple generally fixes them, just read http://www.macfixit.com/
I'd beg to differ. The multiplayer expansion for Civ III, Play the World is GameSpy branded for all of the pre game setup (this is when the Civ III application has been launched, not while you're still using GameSpy Arcade).
In addition, there are a number of other games which pretty much exclusively provide match-making through GameSpy like Fallout Tactics.
Certainly you can organize a game separately with a friend, but the developers and GameSpy are supporting one another. It is not simply GameSpy supporting certain interfaces with the game and servers that provide lists of active game hosts.
When little Johnny kindergartener makes it all the way up to 12th grade at this school, do you really think the computing world will be the same? It would not suprise me that 12 years down the road Microsoft will be a bad memory and most folks will be running OS X or Linux or something else. Hell, windows has only been around for about that long.
I'd say general computing skills and adaptability to different software packages is far more valuable a skill than "knowing" Word, Excel, or PowerPoint.
Between having a Microsoft or Mac environment at home and using linux at school, I'd say these students will be far better equipped for the future than kids who haven't seen anything other than Windows. Adaptability, and willingness to learn (especially to learn quickly) is the best skill you can have, period.
I'd guess many people are interested in purchasing online because even with shipping it can end up being cheaper than going to the store. If you charge tax AND shipping, why wait when you can get it cheaper and on the same day (given that you have transportation to whatever store would provide the desired product).
On top of that, you get to check it out and play with it when you go to a retail store. So, what would be the point in going (aside from avoiding the incompetent computer sales staff).
I guess the pro cards are just becoming available now. Are these just cards with higher clock rates than the non-pro cards? I can't check because the site is slashdotted.
Some of us don't have an extra $609 laying around to buy a mac license.
On top of that the price to performance ratio is far better with x86 components. It costs like $3000+ to get mac with enough performance to equal a PC that costs half as much.
Admittedly you don't get hardware or software with as much of a "cool" factor or the BSD core..
Plus, among the various DTP apps some are still OS 9 only (ie, Quark).
Slashdot Mirror
See:
Aspyr
MacPlay
There's also MacSoft but I don't see too many ports coming from them.
Many of the A+ titles make it to the Mac at least.
How many Quake3 engine games have there been? Wolf3d, MOH, SOFII, STV:EF, JKII, etc. Afaik all of these titles have been ported and are OGL since they're based on the Q3 engine.
Just wait until the Doom 3 engine is done, I'm sure it will find its way into just as many if not more games, and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if those find their way to the Mac or Linux (if anyone other than LGP can step forward and put some cash down on some decent ports).
Seriously, why is this post a +3?
I don't recall them giving up due to legal expenses. Wasn't Apple a larger company at the time? The mac was already established and Microsoft was just moving into having their GUI "OS" (read: shell on top of DOS, with program groups and icons which didn't really relate to filesystem layout).
I'm sure there was another reason.
That aside, it really bothers me that people seem to think that Apple had few or no improvements over the Xerox PARC GUI and that Apple is just as bad as MS, etc. Apple really did come up with some very important innovations over the PARC GUI. Many of the things we take for granted today in both Windows and Mac OS were ideas that originated at Apple. For more info check out this link:
Apple GUI History
It includes some fairly comprehensive discussion from Bruce Horn a former PARC employee, and Jef Raskin.
see subject..
He only mentions one other product and doesn't comment negatively on it.
These boys need to get laid.
If AOL would subsidize this, they would see their security problems disappear overnight.
Which, the "hackers" or the AOL support staff?
"n this case, exactly how many thousand of these Qt/GTK apps are useful, unique, and stable?"
Really, the same could be said of windows apps (or any other platform).. Exactly how many of them are useful, uniqe, and stable? Not nearly as many as you think.
The truth is most (most, not all) platforms have at least a few apps to fill every niche. And in most cases there's one (or a few) really good ones and the rest are pretty mediocre.
Um, dude, did you miss the cluetrain today? Or did you simply not follow the link?
They're quoting the price of a 12" PowerBook and calling it an "ibook". The actual iBook costs far less, starting at $999, and you can probably get it for less refurbed.
While this machine may be tempting, imagine trying to buy replacement batteries for it down the road, or getting it repaired when it breaks. Lindows has a non-existent track record for customer service for hardware.
Admittedly your comment is a troll. I use Mac OS X, and it certainly does have bugs, but apple generally fixes them, just read http://www.macfixit.com/
Not even going to go there ;)
My favorite part about playing old Sierra games was watching and waiting for the screen to finish flood filling. Thankfully these are much quicker.
Not for the next couple of days...
Thanks slashdot!
Before you mod this as a troll put yourself in the shoes of the sysadmin of that poor server, or better yet: whoever has to pay the bandwidth bill!
"It might just make you a little more normal!"
:)
who says we want to be?
I'd beg to differ. The multiplayer expansion for Civ III, Play the World is GameSpy branded for all of the pre game setup (this is when the Civ III application has been launched, not while you're still using GameSpy Arcade).
In addition, there are a number of other games which pretty much exclusively provide match-making through GameSpy like Fallout Tactics.
Certainly you can organize a game separately with a friend, but the developers and GameSpy are supporting one another. It is not simply GameSpy supporting certain interfaces with the game and servers that provide lists of active game hosts.
I see your point, but think about this:
When little Johnny kindergartener makes it all the way up to 12th grade at this school, do you really think the computing world will be the same? It would not suprise me that 12 years down the road Microsoft will be a bad memory and most folks will be running OS X or Linux or something else. Hell, windows has only been around for about that long.
I'd say general computing skills and adaptability to different software packages is far more valuable a skill than "knowing" Word, Excel, or PowerPoint.
Between having a Microsoft or Mac environment at home and using linux at school, I'd say these students will be far better equipped for the future than kids who haven't seen anything other than Windows. Adaptability, and willingness to learn (especially to learn quickly) is the best skill you can have, period.
Am I really on /.?
This story seems to have actually sparked intelligent discussion..
I'd guess many people are interested in purchasing online because even with shipping it can end up being cheaper than going to the store. If you charge tax AND shipping, why wait when you can get it cheaper and on the same day (given that you have transportation to whatever store would provide the desired product).
On top of that, you get to check it out and play with it when you go to a retail store. So, what would be the point in going (aside from avoiding the incompetent computer sales staff).
I think the Perl books were they're..
they're = they are
sorry, couldn't help it..
I guess the pro cards are just becoming available now. Are these just cards with higher clock rates than the non-pro cards? I can't check because the site is slashdotted.
We are having major server problems at the moment. Something is up - we will fix this ;)
;)
I'll give you one guess
Not if this comes our way :)
Some of us don't have an extra $609 laying around to buy a mac license.
On top of that the price to performance ratio is far better with x86 components. It costs like $3000+ to get mac with enough performance to equal a PC that costs half as much.
Admittedly you don't get hardware or software with as much of a "cool" factor or the BSD core..
Plus, among the various DTP apps some are still OS 9 only (ie, Quark).
several tangle proxies that you can try"
and they're all, you guessed it, slashdotted
Thanks alot mods! I was listening to music and my speakers were ALL the way up.
you do?
ok.. only on the 8/160.. but still.. /me tries to remember to actually read the links he posts
Um, sorry, no.
Those suckers didn't even have an FPU.
68 _LC_ 040
http://www.lowendmac.com/quadra/q610.shtml
"A new, more secure version of AOL Instant Messenger, or AIM, will enable businesses to read instant messages sent by employees"
How, under any definition of security does this make it more secure?
side note: does slashdot seem very slow to anyone else today?