I think this is because it is Bertelmann's backyard. Similarly if Vivendi-Universal implemented the same proposal. That's where the central powerbase is located.
Remember everything new Sony tries they do in Japan. Why? Well that's where they feel they have the most sway?
And the logic of all of this is... we shouldn't spend the money we have since it would then make the honorable duel of war unfair?
I'm sorry my friend but weapons research has ALWAYS been about getting one up on the enemy (see Stealth, Mustard Gas, Nukes, and the English Longbow).
They hate us because we are easy to hate: big, distant, powerful and arrogant. My response? Ecce Homo. Better to do all this than drop our pants, bend over and hope that no one pounds us in the ass.
are not ambitious. They decide to do what current games do but do it well. Take Half Life, most popular FPS ever. Sure, most of that is due to CS but why can a game then be rereleased in three different iterations and still do well? I mean, c'mon! Valve Software has released one product!!!
And why was it successful? It was neither too complex or too simple. It was rewarding at introductory levels yet, as your skill improved, you could find new avenues to challenge yourself on (i.e. downloading CS and playing it). Basically everything said on Dave Sirlin's site.
Most innovative games are forgotten. Die by the Sword? Killer UI for 3rd person sword fighting... yet the rest of the game was lacking. Dozens of other games can be listed that fall in the same category.
Unlike music or film, games are much more of a... viceral form of entertainment. A strong, ground-breaking element cannot make up for piss-poor gameplay (unlike making up for a bad story in movies or bad musicianship in music). How often would you play a game that looked photo-realistic yet crashed every 5 minutes and corrupted your HD?
The best games are focused. The worst ones try to be the omni-game. The be all and end all.
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One big problem is that we want opponents to learn "online" but how many of us are willing to deal with the long learning curves of a lot of AI? Most people want to 1. sit down at a game 2. be challenged 3. maybe see the opponent due something new.
But to do something new would probably require a lot of trial and failure... and a lot of moments where users will think "damn, this thing has gotten stupider!"
So then you can enforce a baseline behavior... which is more static, more predictable and basically where AI is now (lots of scripting, etc).
I guess the best solution would be for developers to come up with a dozen or so strategies and a system for switching/blending between them. Heck, maybe even have the developers run improvements and then upload them to all the users.
Of course "meat" opponents online do that already: they're called gaming forums. The ability of a person to come up with a great strategy and then propogate it to everyone else online may be the most difficult thing to implement in any game AI.
That's the sound of your tax dollars being flushed right down the crapper. I hope they had the decency to wipe first.;)
Still... it sounds cool. But then Star Wars sounds pretty fly as well. Can't they just come up with something that kills everybody instantly and be done with it? Oh wait...
Remember that most criminal law is built upon that x-percent minority that would be out there doing vile things if the law wasn't in place. So citing examples of Good Citizens is meaningless. Otherwise I'd be walking around with my full auto Steyr Maddi AK-47.
Another important thing: you have to show definitive proof to the extent the new prohibition will work. On the fully automatic firearm ban you can say that outside a few extreme cases, it has worked pretty damn well in restricting the weapons from criminals. Harris and Klebold didn't have them.
But then compare that to the prohibition on alcohol: a law that was almost flagrantly disregarded by most people.
Now you have to show will [fill in the name of CD copyright protection law here] will either be like the former or the latter. Laws need to be effective and constructive. People won't follow the law just because it was done with good intentions.
(Of course you could say the firearm law isn't even that useful. But then you get into a question of what is effective law and what isn't. Given enough modivation a person can break any prohbition.)
You can always spot a poor debater when they ask a question they do not know the answer to. That is always the key: reduce the argument to only the points where you are unequivocally right and your opponent is not. Of course your opponent is trying to do the same thing.
And the big "raise your hand" thing doesn't prove anything. It is like "proving" someone has no business talking about African economics if they have never been there. It is all opinion and subjective, like those CNN polls.
In the end I just see this as broadening the rift. She now can be assured that most students out there are "pirating" music and thus beyond communication. Likewise everyone else here is treating this like it means anything. The RIAA will probably just go and get more federal signatures while we sit around feeling all good about this "victory". And its that sort of thinking that will probably mean we will never get the compromise we ask for.
Demanding total victory is asking for total defeat.
Eh... I don't think so. Not anymore with the advent of the zoo.pl. I mean, just look at the Fort Knox community: about a hundred or so people within two or three degrees of separation of Fort Knox. Most of us folks now spend most of our time cruizing the journal circuit instead of the redundant discussion topics. It is a much more personal and thus a community experience.
The problem with rankings is that the rank is absolute, not relative. So the assumption is that there is an even spacing between ranks so that 16th is as far from 15th as 2nd is from 1st.
But as all of us geeks know that the system could be on a completely different scale (power, exponential, logarithmic, etc).
In short, how much worst is 17th from 1st? In theory the top 20 or so could be so tightly packed that it really is irrelevant. It isn't like the US is in the bottom 10% or anything. Statistics?
Or is this just a subjective poll based on little more than opinion?
I'd like to see some more opinions on the subject instead of the/. darling that Janis Ian has become.
May I suggest Peanut Butter Wolf, DJ and founder of the seminal underground hip-hop label Stones Throw Records?
PBW on the Stones Throw website:
As an artist myself, I have the artists help decide how much money to spend on promoting their records. We all split the profits after expenses, so it makes sense that we collectively decide how much to spend on promotion. This includes video budget, advertising, radio promotion, video promotion, street teams, snippet tapes, stickers, flats, posters, 8x10 glossies, etc.
Now to me he sounds like the perfect person to talk to about managing an artist's career from the ground up with no support of major labels. Again from Stones Throw:
As executive producer, I don't put out what I think the people will like, I put out what I like. This has worked for me so far, and if it stops working for me, it will be the end of Stones Throw as a label. I've passed on some artists that I knew would sell a lot of units because I didn't like the songs. That sounds like a bad business move and from a purely financial standpoint it is one, but profit isn't the only thing that drives my label. If money were my sole motivation, I'd be rich by now because so far I've attained everything I've put my mind to.
I mean, doesn't this sound like somebody with some perspective? Especially since he doesn't have 9 Grammys and a Top 40 hit?
I mean, c'mon. This is an f-up by someone in the company who out of brand loyalty decided to tell a fib. Ok, so it wasn't the smartest thing to do. And everybody can probably debate me on just how loyal he/she was. But it reminds me of this dialogue:
"Do I look fat in this?"
[Without hesitation]"No."
And if it was probably anyone else people would roll their eyes and go onto something else. But since it's Microsoft we've gotta make this big deal out of it (i.e. now it's two/. discussion threads) and all the posts will be pointing out how this implicitly means all MS products are inferior and all their employees are duplicitous liars.
Stuff like this always makes me feel like the OS/FS/Linux community is taking about ten steps back.
I mean isn't the point to go out so you then have some place to go back to? What would you do then if the only solution was to watch a movie at your house?
"Well that was great baby, say why don't we go up to the bedroom before we say goodni- "*KNEE TO GROIN* "Hmmm. That didn't work as well as I expected."
Or maybe they just add dates for each other afterwards with CGI over there?
I think the article's comparisons to GTA 3 are unfounded. Why? Because GTA 3 had some very innovative gameplay: a continuous and hugely interactive world with missions taking place directly in the environment, a wide variety of exploration options leading to a huge replay value.
BMX XXX is a.... bmx game. Now I'm not going to say that GTA 3 is a Goodfellas or even a Sopranos but it at least had a semi-adult theme: criminal underworld. It was about as accurate as... I dunno, a CBS Sunday Night movie on the mob. And so there was little stretching the imagination to see that prostitution and drugs and violence would be involved.
But a BMX game? It's like trying to get people to switch to Linux by lacing nekkid girlie pictures into the kernel. A shallow attempt to spice something up.
Not to be an ass, but Apple has a bad habit of giving up on a market they have early dominance in (lot of topics on it recently... Newton for one. I guess you could say the same about the GUI based PC).
So my question is this the end of their lead in portable electronic music? Sure, the iPod seems to be right up there now but how long before someone makes a product that is "almost good enough" but that is a) hell of a lot cheaper b) supporting the latest whims of the market (Ogg support for example).
Apple seems to have a bad habit of being a Dad: "Oh no, silly user! You don't need that! haha! Trust my judgement!" Then everybody goes off to more friendly shores. Any evidence they won't do it this time?
But I've been thinking of Lecter's advice to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs: this looks a little too random.
Ever since I first saw the movie I've always wondered how often that is the case: serial criminals who commit the first crime locally, realize it, and then make a point of trying to be "random".
This entire scenario it doesn't look like the case: the first and fifth shooting were very close together and the entire field of action seems to be very localized. But still these sort of things always make me think of that quote. Guess because it was so imporant in the movie.
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I think this is because it is Bertelmann's backyard. Similarly if Vivendi-Universal implemented the same proposal. That's where the central powerbase is located.
Remember everything new Sony tries they do in Japan. Why? Well that's where they feel they have the most sway?
And the logic of all of this is... we shouldn't spend the money we have since it would then make the honorable duel of war unfair?
I'm sorry my friend but weapons research has ALWAYS been about getting one up on the enemy (see Stealth, Mustard Gas, Nukes, and the English Longbow).
They hate us because we are easy to hate: big, distant, powerful and arrogant. My response? Ecce Homo. Better to do all this than drop our pants, bend over and hope that no one pounds us in the ass.
What are the odds on /. taking this story down by 8am tomorrow morning? I mean, really, did they check to see if Id intentionally leaked this?
are not ambitious. They decide to do what current games do but do it well. Take Half Life, most popular FPS ever. Sure, most of that is due to CS but why can a game then be rereleased in three different iterations and still do well? I mean, c'mon! Valve Software has released one product!!!
And why was it successful? It was neither too complex or too simple. It was rewarding at introductory levels yet, as your skill improved, you could find new avenues to challenge yourself on (i.e. downloading CS and playing it). Basically everything said on Dave Sirlin's site.
Most innovative games are forgotten. Die by the Sword? Killer UI for 3rd person sword fighting... yet the rest of the game was lacking. Dozens of other games can be listed that fall in the same category.
Unlike music or film, games are much more of a... viceral form of entertainment. A strong, ground-breaking element cannot make up for piss-poor gameplay (unlike making up for a bad story in movies or bad musicianship in music). How often would you play a game that looked photo-realistic yet crashed every 5 minutes and corrupted your HD?
The best games are focused. The worst ones try to be the omni-game. The be all and end all.
One big problem is that we want opponents to learn "online" but how many of us are willing to deal with the long learning curves of a lot of AI? Most people want to 1. sit down at a game 2. be challenged 3. maybe see the opponent due something new.
But to do something new would probably require a lot of trial and failure... and a lot of moments where users will think "damn, this thing has gotten stupider!"
So then you can enforce a baseline behavior... which is more static, more predictable and basically where AI is now (lots of scripting, etc).
I guess the best solution would be for developers to come up with a dozen or so strategies and a system for switching/blending between them. Heck, maybe even have the developers run improvements and then upload them to all the users.
Of course "meat" opponents online do that already: they're called gaming forums. The ability of a person to come up with a great strategy and then propogate it to everyone else online may be the most difficult thing to implement in any game AI.
Too bad it takes 3 Service Packs...
Better 3 Service Packs then ignoring issues all together. Not the best service record but at least realize it could be worse.
I checked out the brak./. and found old messages in my inbox. I'd prefer not to get deluged with old messages after the move occurs.
Just thought you should know in case you didn't know already (?).
That's the sound of your tax dollars being flushed right down the crapper. I hope they had the decency to wipe first. ;)
Still... it sounds cool. But then Star Wars sounds pretty fly as well. Can't they just come up with something that kills everybody instantly and be done with it? Oh wait...
Remember that most criminal law is built upon that x-percent minority that would be out there doing vile things if the law wasn't in place. So citing examples of Good Citizens is meaningless. Otherwise I'd be walking around with my full auto Steyr Maddi AK-47.
Another important thing: you have to show definitive proof to the extent the new prohibition will work. On the fully automatic firearm ban you can say that outside a few extreme cases, it has worked pretty damn well in restricting the weapons from criminals. Harris and Klebold didn't have them.
But then compare that to the prohibition on alcohol: a law that was almost flagrantly disregarded by most people.
Now you have to show will [fill in the name of CD copyright protection law here] will either be like the former or the latter. Laws need to be effective and constructive. People won't follow the law just because it was done with good intentions.
(Of course you could say the firearm law isn't even that useful. But then you get into a question of what is effective law and what isn't. Given enough modivation a person can break any prohbition.)
I thought I put this post Here. Grrr. Fat fingered that one.
To most people? "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....."
You can always spot a poor debater when they ask a question they do not know the answer to. That is always the key: reduce the argument to only the points where you are unequivocally right and your opponent is not. Of course your opponent is trying to do the same thing.
And the big "raise your hand" thing doesn't prove anything. It is like "proving" someone has no business talking about African economics if they have never been there. It is all opinion and subjective, like those CNN polls.
In the end I just see this as broadening the rift. She now can be assured that most students out there are "pirating" music and thus beyond communication. Likewise everyone else here is treating this like it means anything. The RIAA will probably just go and get more federal signatures while we sit around feeling all good about this "victory". And its that sort of thinking that will probably mean we will never get the compromise we ask for.
Demanding total victory is asking for total defeat.
Maybe I've been in the Debian camp too long but...
Linux has a graphical user interface? Is that like Macintosh or something?
Although it isn't really a community
Eh... I don't think so. Not anymore with the advent of the zoo.pl. I mean, just look at the Fort Knox community: about a hundred or so people within two or three degrees of separation of Fort Knox. Most of us folks now spend most of our time cruizing the journal circuit instead of the redundant discussion topics. It is a much more personal and thus a community experience.
I guess then you just have to use the US google German or French language versions to get all of your anti-abortion and nazi web searches.
The problem with rankings is that the rank is absolute, not relative. So the assumption is that there is an even spacing between ranks so that 16th is as far from 15th as 2nd is from 1st.
But as all of us geeks know that the system could be on a completely different scale (power, exponential, logarithmic, etc).
In short, how much worst is 17th from 1st? In theory the top 20 or so could be so tightly packed that it really is irrelevant. It isn't like the US is in the bottom 10% or anything. Statistics?
Or is this just a subjective poll based on little more than opinion?
May I suggest Peanut Butter Wolf, DJ and founder of the seminal underground hip-hop label Stones Throw Records?
PBW on the Stones Throw website:
Now to me he sounds like the perfect person to talk to about managing an artist's career from the ground up with no support of major labels. Again from Stones Throw:
I mean, doesn't this sound like somebody with some perspective? Especially since he doesn't have 9 Grammys and a Top 40 hit?
When you talk to Henry Rollins, does he answer a question... then say "And you wanna know why?" and then break into "Liar"?
C'mon. You can tell us. We're all friends here.
I mean, c'mon. This is an f-up by someone in the company who out of brand loyalty decided to tell a fib. Ok, so it wasn't the smartest thing to do. And everybody can probably debate me on just how loyal he/she was. But it reminds me of this dialogue:
/. discussion threads) and all the posts will be pointing out how this implicitly means all MS products are inferior and all their employees are duplicitous liars.
"Do I look fat in this?"
[Without hesitation]"No."
And if it was probably anyone else people would roll their eyes and go onto something else. But since it's Microsoft we've gotta make this big deal out of it (i.e. now it's two
Stuff like this always makes me feel like the OS/FS/Linux community is taking about ten steps back.
I mean isn't the point to go out so you then have some place to go back to? What would you do then if the only solution was to watch a movie at your house?
"Well that was great baby, say why don't we go up to the bedroom before we say goodni- "*KNEE TO GROIN* "Hmmm. That didn't work as well as I expected."
Or maybe they just add dates for each other afterwards with CGI over there?
I think the article's comparisons to GTA 3 are unfounded. Why? Because GTA 3 had some very innovative gameplay: a continuous and hugely interactive world with missions taking place directly in the environment, a wide variety of exploration options leading to a huge replay value.
BMX XXX is a.... bmx game. Now I'm not going to say that GTA 3 is a Goodfellas or even a Sopranos but it at least had a semi-adult theme: criminal underworld. It was about as accurate as... I dunno, a CBS Sunday Night movie on the mob. And so there was little stretching the imagination to see that prostitution and drugs and violence would be involved.
But a BMX game? It's like trying to get people to switch to Linux by lacing nekkid girlie pictures into the kernel. A shallow attempt to spice something up.
Not to be an ass, but Apple has a bad habit of giving up on a market they have early dominance in (lot of topics on it recently... Newton for one. I guess you could say the same about the GUI based PC).
So my question is this the end of their lead in portable electronic music? Sure, the iPod seems to be right up there now but how long before someone makes a product that is "almost good enough" but that is a) hell of a lot cheaper b) supporting the latest whims of the market (Ogg support for example).
Apple seems to have a bad habit of being a Dad: "Oh no, silly user! You don't need that! haha! Trust my judgement!" Then everybody goes off to more friendly shores. Any evidence they won't do it this time?
Hmmm. My personal suggestion is to replace your step three with this:
3. Beat her like she stole a package.
But I've been thinking of Lecter's advice to Clarice in Silence of the Lambs: this looks a little too random.
Ever since I first saw the movie I've always wondered how often that is the case: serial criminals who commit the first crime locally, realize it, and then make a point of trying to be "random".
This entire scenario it doesn't look like the case: the first and fifth shooting were very close together and the entire field of action seems to be very localized. But still these sort of things always make me think of that quote. Guess because it was so imporant in the movie.
Huh, I looked on O'Reilly's website and I couldn't find the ASP or Corba Cookbooks any- oh wait...