Right there is a problem. Writing those scripts *IS* your job.
You are INCORRECT sir. My job is making sure the network is transparent and works 120% of the time.
If you are too busy to do your job your problems are bigger than system administration.
BINGO! The majority of places with an IT staff are busy dealing with politics, personality conflicts, enraged customers for one reason or another. Putting out any number of fires that were the net result of a management decision you had no control over. If you don't have to deal with any of those things then Kudos to you.
Toilet paper has evolved, but I bet you still wipe your ass the same way? no? Administrating the systems is about using the best tools you can get to do the best job you can as efficiently as you can. If a GUI suits you, go ahead and use it. What do you do if the GUI is not working? If you can't do anything without it, are you only half an admin?
Actually I no longer use toilet paper to wipe my ass. I found something better. For that matter most of the world doesn't use toilet paper either. As to what do I do when the GUI doesn't work.....I said in my previous post the command line isn't going anywhere, or didn't you bother to read the whole thing? Sometimes I get nostalgic and pull out the old Commodore 64 and load up some old programs I wrote for it but that doesn't mean I want to go back to those days.
BTDT, in spades. Guess what, the F/OSS alternative won on price alone. The PHB doesn't care how it's done as long as it IS done, and the PHB doesn't have budget for fancy stuff like administration tools. I quote the PHB: "can't you just write a script and do this?" He says it often.
You must work for a small company. At most large companies the IT staff is lucky if they ever meet the guy making the purchasing decisions. Again, you are the exception, not the rule.
BTW, yes I can remember the last time I coded in machine language. CS is not restricted to PHP.
Not reading the post again. I asked when was the last time you HAD to code in machine language. If you had a choice then you can thank your predecessors who created that choice.
MS' options costs money, and requires a MS server to run on (more money).
Your argument against it is the exact reason most PHBs are going to demand it. The attitude is Microsoft is better because we have to pay for it and so it will be better supported regardless of whether this attitude is based in reality or not.
MS' options are not required to support anything in particular. The end user is dependent on MS to make their product work in the end user's environment. MS' options are closed source, not modifiable by the end users.
See above
Thank you for so eloquently proving my point. Your apparent indignation over any inference that a GUI tool could be as good as a command line goes a long way to support my position.
I always scratch my head when I see/hear comments like this. OK, we get it. "True" *nix admins do EVERYTHING from the command line. For years I was among the "command line is better" camp but I had an epiphany. The unwashed masses WANT a simplified GUI. And that includes many system admins who are overloaded and don't have time to write a script to streamline their process. Just because someone finds a GUI easier to use than a command line does not make them inept. A properly coded GUI SHOULD be easier to use.
The pioneers of early computing trudged along coding first in machine code or Binary and eventually they developed assembly language which made things much easier. Assembly eventually lead to "high level" languages like C that had to be compiled back into its binary form to run. Etc, etc. Computing has evolved and if the dinosaurs don't evolve with it they will get left behind.
If you don't want this tool Microsoft is offering to become the de-facto standard in all *nix/Microsoft environments I suggest you come down off your high horse and get coding a FOSS alternative GUI which runs on Windows as well as Linux. Otherwise all your PHB will see when you present your case and Microsoft presents theirs is that the Microsoft tool is polished and colorful and yours is just an ugly black box with a blinking cursor. The command line isn't going away any time soon. Neither is machine language but can you remember the last time you had to code in it?
Maybe the police don't but your neighbors may. And they might just remember seeing this guy lurking. They might even see him weeks later and since they got a picture of him from you they are able to catch him. That's pretty much why many communities have watch programs (that and they like to be nosy).
For every -1- person who saves his home and/or family because he has a gun at home, knows how to, and actually is there to use it in the correct way at a breakin, there are -10- who then experience one of those family-members hurt by that gun because of improper use.
Is that like 90% of all statistics can be made to say anything 50% of the time?
And what do I do when there aren't any more places where I can move? What if my financial status prevents me from moving? I live in a very good neighborhood but there are not so good areas near me. My wife's car was just ransacked last night and there are frequent reports of suspicious or criminal activity in the community. When they do catch somebody it is always someone from the surrounding area. It doesn't matter where you live because criminals go where the stuff they want is.
Many people take the same stance about taxes. "There is no law mandating taxes so I don't have to pay" but that hasn't stopped them from throwing these people in jail. Just look at Wesley Snipes.
HUH? Dell is still paying the Microsoft tax for each copy of XP they ship so how is this giving Microsoft the finger? Microsoft is still raking in the dough either way. They want people to switch to Vista to keep the revenue stream going but if people continue to buy XP that's fine too.
It sounds like Dell might be using this as a chance to pocket a bit more off supply/demand...
Dell is currently experiencing hard times in a cut-throat industry. They need a way to increase sales and steal back fickle customers who will switch to the vendor who is willing to give them what they want. Right now they want XP and so it is a no-brainer for them to continue to offer it as long as the demand exists even if it isn't what Microsoft wants. What's the point of keeping Microsoft happy if your business goes down the tubes in the process.
You obviously don't do very much small biz/home support. I still have clients who use Office 97 on their Win98 SE machines (*shudder*). The vast majority are Office XP and Windows XP SP2 and have no plans of changing anything anytime soon. The average Joe PC user will eventually move to an on-line equivalent but it's doubtful it will be office with so many free alternatives springing up. The subscription model is squarely pointed to the corporate environment where the accounting department already has to break their IT expenses into annual expenditures. Microsoft's answer for Joe PC user is MS Works ad supported office alternative.
I am not the type that needs to do big Excel Solver sheets or Matlab simulations while on the go.
Even if you do happen to need to run that Excel or Matlab monster on the go there's always using these UMPCs as thin clients to remote into your home or work box to do it while on the go. Now CAD or Crysis OTOH......
Windows security is easy: (1) Stop using your computer logged on as administrator.
OK, I elect YOU to go to every "average computer user's" house and convince them to do that. Considering the deer in headlights reaction you will get from them I suspect you might get somewhere near 50% to agree to let you do that. (THEY BTW do not know what you are talking about but have decided to trust you since you seem to know what you are saying.) Of course now you are on the hook to all the people who trusted you to make them safe when they call you frantic that (insert name of software here) will not install and they want to know what you did to break their PC.
So you're saying Microsoft wouldn't put out a product on a competitor platform, like, say, Microsoft Office on Mac OS X?
Probably not unless the DOJ "strongly" suggested it would go a long way to alleviating anti-trust investigations and the competitor agreed to settle a very longstanding legal battle in return for it.
The FCC explicitly classified cable (in 2002) and DSL (in 2005) ISPs as "information services" rather than "telecommunications services" in order to remove any doubt that they were common carriers.
Then what about AT&T? Aren't they a common carrier AND a DSL provider?
Let me see. US Company A outsources production of chips to fab shop in China. Fab shop in China produces chips for US Company A and a couple hundred thousand for themselves. I'm pretty sure any "counterfeiting" being done in any substantially large quantity is done like this making them identical to the real McCoy thus rendering the locking feature inert. So this is basically a solution looking for a problem.
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Right there is a problem. Writing those scripts *IS* your job.
You are INCORRECT sir. My job is making sure the network is transparent and works 120% of the time.
If you are too busy to do your job your problems are bigger than system administration.
BINGO! The majority of places with an IT staff are busy dealing with politics, personality conflicts, enraged customers for one reason or another. Putting out any number of fires that were the net result of a management decision you had no control over. If you don't have to deal with any of those things then Kudos to you.
Toilet paper has evolved, but I bet you still wipe your ass the same way? no? Administrating the systems is about using the best tools you can get to do the best job you can as efficiently as you can. If a GUI suits you, go ahead and use it. What do you do if the GUI is not working? If you can't do anything without it, are you only half an admin?
Actually I no longer use toilet paper to wipe my ass. I found something better. For that matter most of the world doesn't use toilet paper either.
As to what do I do when the GUI doesn't work.....I said in my previous post the command line isn't going anywhere, or didn't you bother to read the whole thing?
Sometimes I get nostalgic and pull out the old Commodore 64 and load up some old programs I wrote for it but that doesn't mean I want to go back to those days.
BTDT, in spades. Guess what, the F/OSS alternative won on price alone. The PHB doesn't care how it's done as long as it IS done, and the PHB doesn't have budget for fancy stuff like administration tools. I quote the PHB: "can't you just write a script and do this?" He says it often.
You must work for a small company. At most large companies the IT staff is lucky if they ever meet the guy making the purchasing decisions. Again, you are the exception, not the rule.
BTW, yes I can remember the last time I coded in machine language. CS is not restricted to PHP.
Not reading the post again. I asked when was the last time you HAD to code in machine language. If you had a choice then you can thank your predecessors who created that choice.
MS' options costs money, and requires a MS server to run on (more money).
Your argument against it is the exact reason most PHBs are going to demand it. The attitude is Microsoft is better because we have to pay for it and so it will be better supported regardless of whether this attitude is based in reality or not.
MS' options are not required to support anything in particular. The end user is dependent on MS to make their product work in the end user's environment. MS' options are closed source, not modifiable by the end users.
See above
Thank you for so eloquently proving my point. Your apparent indignation over any inference that a GUI tool could be as good as a command line goes a long way to support my position.
I always scratch my head when I see/hear comments like this. OK, we get it. "True" *nix admins do EVERYTHING from the command line. For years I was among the "command line is better" camp but I had an epiphany. The unwashed masses WANT a simplified GUI. And that includes many system admins who are overloaded and don't have time to write a script to streamline their process. Just because someone finds a GUI easier to use than a command line does not make them inept. A properly coded GUI SHOULD be easier to use.
The pioneers of early computing trudged along coding first in machine code or Binary and eventually they developed assembly language which made things much easier. Assembly eventually lead to "high level" languages like C that had to be compiled back into its binary form to run. Etc, etc. Computing has evolved and if the dinosaurs don't evolve with it they will get left behind.
If you don't want this tool Microsoft is offering to become the de-facto standard in all *nix/Microsoft environments I suggest you come down off your high horse and get coding a FOSS alternative GUI which runs on Windows as well as Linux. Otherwise all your PHB will see when you present your case and Microsoft presents theirs is that the Microsoft tool is polished and colorful and yours is just an ugly black box with a blinking cursor. The command line isn't going away any time soon. Neither is machine language but can you remember the last time you had to code in it?
Maybe the police don't but your neighbors may. And they might just remember seeing this guy lurking. They might even see him weeks later and since they got a picture of him from you they are able to catch him. That's pretty much why many communities have watch programs (that and they like to be nosy).
For every -1- person who saves his home and/or family because he has a gun at home, knows how to, and actually is there to use it in the correct way at a breakin, there are -10- who then experience one of those family-members hurt by that gun because of improper use.
Is that like 90% of all statistics can be made to say anything 50% of the time?
And what do I do when there aren't any more places where I can move? What if my financial status prevents me from moving? I live in a very good neighborhood but there are not so good areas near me. My wife's car was just ransacked last night and there are frequent reports of suspicious or criminal activity in the community. When they do catch somebody it is always someone from the surrounding area. It doesn't matter where you live because criminals go where the stuff they want is.
Let me fix that for you
Well there's 10 new, copyright violating fans to replace every 80's headbanger who thinks they sold out.
Many people take the same stance about taxes. "There is no law mandating taxes so I don't have to pay" but that hasn't stopped them from throwing these people in jail. Just look at Wesley Snipes.
It's awesome to see a vendor giving M$ the finger
HUH? Dell is still paying the Microsoft tax for each copy of XP they ship so how is this giving Microsoft the finger? Microsoft is still raking in the dough either way. They want people to switch to Vista to keep the revenue stream going but if people continue to buy XP that's fine too.
It sounds like Dell might be using this as a chance to pocket a bit more off supply/demand...
Dell is currently experiencing hard times in a cut-throat industry. They need a way to increase sales and steal back fickle customers who will switch to the vendor who is willing to give them what they want. Right now they want XP and so it is a no-brainer for them to continue to offer it as long as the demand exists even if it isn't what Microsoft wants. What's the point of keeping Microsoft happy if your business goes down the tubes in the process.
Here, let me fix that for you
Sorry, not everybody is a copyright violator.
It's a little like licensing a sewer system in which nothing is patented except the toilets
Is that why there are no toilets installed in the Olympic compound in China?
You obviously don't do very much small biz/home support. I still have clients who use Office 97 on their Win98 SE machines (*shudder*). The vast majority are Office XP and Windows XP SP2 and have no plans of changing anything anytime soon. The average Joe PC user will eventually move to an on-line equivalent but it's doubtful it will be office with so many free alternatives springing up. The subscription model is squarely pointed to the corporate environment where the accounting department already has to break their IT expenses into annual expenditures. Microsoft's answer for Joe PC user is MS Works ad supported office alternative.
They could just pick up a pressurized building at the local moon-mart.
The more you cut taxes, the more the government will collapse.
Or they just print more money.
I am not the type that needs to do big Excel Solver sheets or Matlab simulations while on the go.
Even if you do happen to need to run that Excel or Matlab monster on the go there's always using these UMPCs as thin clients to remote into your home or work box to do it while on the go. Now CAD or Crysis OTOH......
Windows security is easy:
(1) Stop using your computer logged on as administrator.
OK, I elect YOU to go to every "average computer user's" house and convince them to do that. Considering the deer in headlights reaction you will get from them I suspect you might get somewhere near 50% to agree to let you do that. (THEY BTW do not know what you are talking about but have decided to trust you since you seem to know what you are saying.) Of course now you are on the hook to all the people who trusted you to make them safe when they call you frantic that (insert name of software here) will not install and they want to know what you did to break their PC.
(2) Common sense.
You OBVIOUSLY don't live on the same planet I do.
I see what you did there.....
"my neighbor left his garage door open, and I stole a six-pack out of his fridge"
I KNEW it was YOU!
So you're saying Microsoft wouldn't put out a product on a competitor platform, like, say, Microsoft Office on Mac OS X?
Probably not unless the DOJ "strongly" suggested it would go a long way to alleviating anti-trust investigations and the competitor agreed to settle a very longstanding legal battle in return for it.
Where do you work? McDonald's?
The FCC explicitly classified cable (in 2002) and DSL (in 2005) ISPs as "information services" rather than "telecommunications services" in order to remove any doubt that they were common carriers.
Then what about AT&T? Aren't they a common carrier AND a DSL provider?
Maybe we'll get Eliot Spitzer to prosecute RIAA again
He's too busy working up his bid to run for president.
Hey! It worked for Bill.
"There for it was released for VISTA ONLY."
That's funny! Here I thought I had played it on my Xbox all those years ago.
Here, let me fix that for you
Little Demand Yet For Silverlight
There! that's better.
I don't no how too do this facebook you speek of. could you just emale me the ansers.
Let me see. US Company A outsources production of chips to fab shop in China. Fab shop in China produces chips for US Company A and a couple hundred thousand for themselves. I'm pretty sure any "counterfeiting" being done in any substantially large quantity is done like this making them identical to the real McCoy thus rendering the locking feature inert. So this is basically a solution looking for a problem.